>> Ted: THE JOURNALISTS ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

WELCOME TO ARIZONA.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US IS HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITAL MEDIA AND LAURIE ROBERTS AND WE'LL START WITH RUBEN GALLEGO.

>> HE'S BEEN IN WASHINGTON FOR AWHILE AND HE KNOWS THE LAY OF THE LAN AND ONCE KYRSTEN SAID I'M AN INDEPENDENT, HE FIGURED, WE NEED AN INDEPENDENT IN THE RACE AND HE HOPES TO FORCE OUT OTHER FOLKS WHO MIGHT BE CONSIDERING IT AND CONGRESSMAN STAN THINKS HE HAS A SAFE SEAT AND HE RAISED A BUNCH OF MONEY IN SAFE DONATIONS AND TWEETED THAT OUT AS OPPOSED TO MISS SINEMA.

>> Ted: DOES IT HELP OR HURT ANNOUNCING THIS EARLY?

>> IF YOU WANT TO AVOID A PRIMARY, IT HELPS BECAUSE HE GOT AN ENDORSEMENT FROM THE SENATOR AND I WAS NOT EXPECTING DEMOCRATS COME OUT SO QUICKLY AND CHOOSE.

YOU KNOW, DO WE CHOOSE SINEMA OR GALLEGO?

IF YOU GET DOWN TO THE LINE AND YOU REALIZE GALLEGO, BUT SINEMA VOTES WITH US MOST OF THE TIME.

>> Ted: CHUCK SCHUMER THINKS SHE'S A GREAT SENATOR.

>> THE BIG QUESTION IS, DOES KYRSTEN SINEMA RUN AND THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT FOR GALLEGO GETTING IN EARLY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINKING SHE WON'T AND IF SHE DOESN'T RUN, HE'S RAISING MONEY NATIONALLY BECAUSE SHE'S RUNNING TO TAKE OUT KYRSTEN SINEMA AND HE FORCED HER OR HELPED TO PUSH HER IN THE DIRECTION OF INDEPENDENT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HE IS SAYING I'M THE DEMOCRAT TO TAKE OUT KYRSTEN SINEMA AND THAT'S WORTH A LOT OF MONEY.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE YEAR-END SHOW AND MY BELIEF SINEMA WILL ANNOUNCE AT SOME POINT BUT MAYBE NOT THE END OF THIS YEAR.

SHE'LL SAY, ARE IS NO PATH TO VICTORY IN ARIZONA AS AN INDEPENDENT.

WE'RE NOT LIKE VERMONT TO ELECT INDEPENDENTSELECTINDEPENDENTS AS A STATE-WIDE OFFICE.

>> MAYBE NOT SO FAST.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, IF SHE GOT 60% OF THE INDEPENDENT VOTE, AND 20% TO 25% IN THE DEMOCRATIC PART, THAT'S 43%, THAT'S PLURALITY.

>> IF THEY PUT UP A MAGA MODERATE TYPE.

>> GALLEGO IS PROGRESSIVE AND I WOULD SAY TO THE LEFT OF THE VOTERS IN GENERAL.

>> Ted: DOES HE MOVE TOWARDS THE CENTER, THOUGH?

>> HOW CAN HE?

HIS RECORD IS HIS RECORD AND I THINK AN INTERESTING QUESTION IS WATCHING JOE BIDEN.

MUCH OF HIS AGENDA IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO KYRSTEN SINEMA WHO WAS IN ON THE NEGOTIATIONS.

SOME WOULD SAY IT'S BECAUSE OF HER THAT THEY HAD TO NEGOTIATE BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T GO ALONG WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

HE NEEDS ARIZONA AND HE HAS TO HAVE THIS STATE.

DOES HE COME TO THE STATE AND LOOK AT MY GREAT LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND NOT ACKNOWLEDGE IT WAS KYRSTEN SINEMA TO GET THERE?

WHO DOES HE ENDORSE?

>> Ted: SHE BASICALLY CONTROLS THIS NARRATIVE, DOESN'T SHE?

>> TO AN EXTENT, BUT RIGHT NOW, BIDEN NEEDED HER VERY MUCH DURING THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE PRESIDENCY AND HE WON'T PASS ANYTHING DEMOCRATIC AND HE DOESN'T NEED HER OR JOE MANCHIN AND HE'S NOT TIED TOENER TO HER IN THE SAME WAY OR COMPELLED TO SUPPORT HER.

WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT SHE DOES AND OTHERS DO.

>> Ted: YOU MENTIONED MAGA CANDIDATES AND YOU HAVE YOUR KARI LAKES AND AS LONG SHE STEPS DOWN AND ANDY BIGGS AND MASTERS AND A WHOLE HOST OF FOLKS AND WHAT DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DO IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT COULD BE A SPLIT -- >> YOU'RE ASSUMING AN ORGANIZED REPUBLICAN PARTY IN ARIZONA THAT COULD HAVE PEOPLE LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS IN '60'S FIGURING OUT WHO IS THE BEST NOMINEE.

I DON'T ANY BIGGS WILL RUN OR IN HIS INTEREST, BUT IN TERMS OF THE OTHER FOLKS, WHETHER A JAKE HOFFMAN AT THE LEGISLATURE OR WARREN PETERS OR SOMEONE LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF FOLKS ON THE MAGA SIDE WHO SEE THIS AS THEIR PATH HERE AND NOW THAT THEY SAY A QUOTE, UNQUOTE, DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.

ARE THERE MODERATE REPUBLICANS WHO MIGHT COME UP?

WHO ARE THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS?

>> Ted: KAREN TAYLOR ROBSON.

>> EVEN THOUGH THERE'S HISTORY OF THAT AND KAREN IS INTERESTING BECAUSE OF THE FACT SHE DID GET ALMOST THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE AND ALL OF US PREDICTED SHE WOULD BE THE GOVERNOR HAD THE REPUBLICANS GONE IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION AND NOW DID THE REPUBLICANS -- NOTICE THE LESSON IN 2024 2022 WHO DOESN'T KICK OFF LOADS SHADES.

>> Ted: MECUM VOTING ABOVE THE SURFACE?

>> HE HAS BEEN FOR QUITE AWHILE AND HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BE KICKED BEFORE YOU LEARN THE LESSON?

>> 2018, 2020, 2022 AND REPUBLICANS LOST THE SENATE EACH OF THOSE THREE TIMES BECAUSE THEY NOMINATED SOMEONE, LOVED SOMEONE IN THEIR PARTY AND SOMEONE UNELECTABLE TO A GENERAL AUDIENCE.

>> Ted: REMEMBER HOW MANY TIMES HE LOST?

>> I BELIEVE FIVE OR SIX AND RAN AND THE SIXTH WAS THE TIME.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT RUBEN GALLEGO'S SEAT AND HE CAN TALK ABOUT REPUBLICANS, IF YOU LIKE, BUT THIS IS A DEMOCRATIC SEAT.

WHO ARE THE NAMES?

>> WHO AREN'T THE NAMES?

EIGHT OR NINE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE IT'S A SAFE SEAT AND I KNOW LAURA PASTORA, HER NAME IS OUT THERE AND EVERYWHERE EXPECTS HER TO GET IN AND RAQUIL TERAN AND KATHERINE MIRANDA, STATE SENATOR, A CORPORATION COMMISSIONER AND A FEW I'M MISSING AND EIGHT OR NINE NAMES AND STEVE GUARADO AND I THINK IF HE DOESN'T WIN THIS WEEKEND, A LOT OF FOLKS EXPECT HIM TO GET IN AND IF HE WINS, HE DOESN'T.

>> A LOT WILL SEE WHO CAN GET THE BUZZ, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT AND THE BUZZ INCLUDES MONEY, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE THE WILL REUBEN TRIED TO PREEMPT EVERY ELSE?

BUT THIS IS SUCH A BROAD FIELD, AND I DON'T THINK WE GO INTO THE PRIMARY WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE AND DOWN TO THREE OR FOUR.

>> YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME THIS SEAT OPENED UP WHEN RUBEN GALLEGO WON IT AND PASTORA HELD UP 23 YEARS AND ANNOUNCED HE WAS RETIRING AND RUBEN GALLEGO AND FOR THE MOST PART, THAT KEPT EVERYONE ELSE OUT AND EVERYONE KNEW THE TWO FRONTRUNNERS AND ONE OF THE TWO OF THEM AND WASN'T MUCH POINT.

THERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ANYONE WITH FRONTRUNNER STATUS AND MAYBE PASTORA AND NOBODY ONE HAS ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES HAS A BIG DOG AND THAT WILL ATTRACT A LOT MORE CANDIDATES.

>> Ted: LET'S MOVE ON HERE AND THE GOVERNOR'S INAUGURATION FUND AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS?

I'M HEARING SLUSH FUND BEING?

>> SHE HAD THE STATE FUND, WHICH IS THE STATE RAISER'S MONEY TO PAY FOR AN INAUGURATION AND SHE SOLICITED MONEY FROM THE SPECIAL INTERESTS IN THE STATE AND MAYBE BEYOND, I 'DO KNOW.

DON'T KNOW TO DONATE TO A NONPROFIT, THAT SHE HAD A 501C4 AND ANY MONEY TO LEFT IN THE FUTURE WHEREVER SHE WANTS, INCLUDING DONATIONS, CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS TO GET THE LEGISLATURE.

OF COURSE, THE REPUBLICANS AND LEGISLATURE BECAUSE SHE RAISED 1.51.5 MILLION AND IT COSTS $207,000 AND THIS WAS A NET PROCEED -- >> Ted: GOOD WORK.

>> NICE TO HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER BUT THE QUESTION I CAN'T GET ANSWERED IS WHEN THE BUILDERS WERE APPROACHED AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE QUOTED MILLION FROM APS AND THE $50,000 DONATIONS FROM SEVERAL OWNERS AND WHAT WERE THEY TOLD?

THEY WERE TOLD, WE WANT TO PAY FOR THE INAUGURAL.

WHAT THEY TOLD WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE REST OF IT?

YOU KNOW, DO THEY WANT A REFUND AND A 501C FOR A QUOTE, UNQUOTE WELFARE ORGANIZATION?

I HAVE A FEELING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JIM CLICK AND GOOD LONG-TIME REPUBLICAN.

I'M SURE HE'S NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT HIS LEFTOVER MONEY IS USED TO GET RID OF REPUBLICANS.

>> THE LOGICAL THING IS TO DO WHAT THE REPUBLICAN LEADERS ARE CALLING FOR, MONEY SENT OUT TO BENEFIT THE STATE AND TO SET UP HER INAUGURATION AND PUT IT INTO A FUND TO USE IT FOR STATE PURPOSES AND NOT POLITICAL PURPOSES.

THAT IS THE LOGICAL THING TO DO AND I WOULD ARGUE THE THING IS TO TAKE ALL OF THE MONEY AND SEND IT BACK.

THIS IS SPECIAL INTEREST MONEY.

BECAUSE IT'S IN A DARK MONEY OPERATION, WE WON'T KNOW HOW IT'S SPENT OR WHO IT'S SPENT ON AND THE MONEY SHOULD GO BACK, ESPECIALLY THAT APS MONEY.

>> WHAT'S INTEREST, 501C4 NEEDS TO LIST EXPENDITURES.

>> THE NO-DARK MONEY, THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ANYTHING BY A 501C4 IS THE TEST CASE OF THE GODDARD INITIATIVE.

>> Ted: IS THIS A LITTLE SQUIRRELY HERE?

>> IT SEEMS LIKE IT.

THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.

YEARS AGO, THEN GOVERNOR DUCEY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, HE PUT THE LEFTOVER MONEY INTO THE PROTOCOL FUND.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE THE USES ARE RESTRICTED TO LIMITED STATE PURPOSES AND WHENEVER YOU SPEND, THAT'S A PUBLIC RECORD AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT ALL OF THE TIME, WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING AND COMING FROM?

IN THIS CASE, IT'S A C4 THAT BUNDLED THIS AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND IT WOULDN'T BE USED FOR ELECTION PURPOSES.

>> Ted: , THIS ISTHIS ISTHIS IS THE NEW GOVERNOR TRIPPING A BIT?

>> WHEN BOB CRISTY FIRST DISCOVERED THIS FUND AND WHO ARE THE DONORS?

WELL, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE PROGRAM AND HOW MUCH DID THEY CONTRIBUTE?

WE WON'T TELL YOU.

THE WHOLE THING HANDLED HORRIBLY AND THIS IS A SELF-INFLICTED WOUND ON THE GOVERNOR UNTIL SHE FIGURES OUT WHAT TO DO WHETHER IT'S ON A PRO-RATA BASIS OR GIVING IT TO KAET.

>> Ted: I LIKE THAT IDEA, RIGHT IT DOWN.

>> I WILL.

>> Ted: LAWMAKERS, LAURIE, HAVE VOTED TO DESTROY RECORDS.

>> SAYING TO ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FOR THE AND NOT TO ME AND THEY HAVE PASSED A SERIES OF RULES INTENDING REPEAT MUCH TO SHUT OUT THE PUBLIC AND SOLIDIFY THEIR PUBLIC TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

PUBLIC RECORDS WILL NOT HAVE TO BE EMAILS AND SUCH WILL NOT HAVE TO BE SAVED MORE THAN THREE MONTHS AND DECIDE AT THAT POINT THEY CAN KILL OUT ALL OF THAT STUFF.

TEXT MESSAGES BETWEEN LEGISLATORS AND LOBBYISTS AT THE LEGISLATOR'S DISCRETION.

ALL THINGS THAT ARE PUBLIC RECORDS AND GIVE A GLIMPSE INTO BEHIND THE SCENES AT THE CAPITOL, THEY'RE SHUTTING THAT DONE.

>> Ted: WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS, JEREMY?

WE WON'T TALK TOO MUCH AND THE AUDIT AND COMMUNICATIONS AND WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT.

>> THE AUDITS ARE THREE MONTHS AND TEXT MESSAGE, THEY CAN DELETE IT THE SECOND THEY GET IT AND THE SO-CALLED AUDIT, THE BEHIND-THE SCENES, WHO WAS TALKING TO WHO AND WHY ARE BECAUSE WE GOT ALL OF THESE TEXT MESSAGES FROM KAREN FANN TO THE CYBERNINJAS AND I THINK THIS MIGHT, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS AND EVERYONE REQUESTS EVERY EMAIL FROM EVERY LAWMAKER AND SOME HAVE PUT IN REQUESTS AND THAT'S ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS.

>> WHAT'S ALSO REMEMBER TO REMEMBER IS SAYING, WAIT A SECOND, ISN'T IT STATE LAW AND PUBLIC RECORDS OVER MEETINGS?

THE PROBLEM IS OUR SUPREME COURT IN ITS INFINITE WISDOM DECIDED THEY GET TO DECIDE THEIR OWN RULES.

AND THEY CAN AS THE COURT WROTE WITH THE PUBLIC LAW, THEY CAN IGNORE IT WITH IMPUNITY AND THE COURT IS NOT ABOUT TO BALANCE THAT.

THE ONLY WAY IS IF SOMEONE WERE TO CIRCULATE A PETITION TO PUT THE PUBLIC RECORD'S LAW IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

OTHERWISE, IF IT'S JUST STATUTORY, LAWMAKERS ARE FREE TO IGNORE ANY LAW THEY WANT.

>> Ted: THEY SAID THE OLD RETENTION POLICY AS OUTDATED AND MENTIONED THIS STRIKES A BALANCE BETWEEN DISCLOSURE AND PRIVACY AND, AGAIN, IN FACT -- >> I'LL REMIND YOU AFTER THE CYBERANYONECYBER NINJA'S AUDIT, BOTH HAD TO SUE TO GET RECORDS OUT OF THE SENATE, WERE YOU TALKING TO THE TRUMP PEOPLE AND HOW DID YOU HAPPEN TO HIRE PEOPLE WHO WERE CLEARLY NOT UNBIASED.

THE SENATE PRESIDENT THEN AT THE TIME FOUGHT US TOOTH AND NAIL FOR A YEAR AND STILL FIGHTING TO GET RECORDS.

STILL, THEY'RE HEAVILY REDACTED AND WHY?

IF YOU THINK THE PUBLIC RECORD'S LAW WAS OUTDATED, IT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE FORCED BY THE COURTS TO PRODUCE STUFF EMBARRASSING TO YOU AND MADE YOU LIKE BAD.

>> BUT THAT'S IT.

IT WAS IN THAT CASE AND AMERICAN OVERSIGHT IN THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC WHERE THE SENATE WITHHELD RECORDS WHERE THE SUPREME COURT SAID, WELL, YOU DECIDE WHAT'S LEGISLATIVE PRIVILEGE.

SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THAT WAS SELF-INFICTED ON US AND THE FACT IS THAT FUN OF THIS WOULD HAVE BECOME PUBLIC.

I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THIS OUTDATED.

IT'S INCONVENIENT.

OF COURSE, IT'S INCONVENIENT TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU'RE UP TO.

>> Ted: RULE'S CHANGES AND LEGISLATIVE RULE'S CHANGES AND SOUNDS LIKE IN THE HOUSE AND TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE SENATE LIMITING FLOOR DEBATE FOR 30 MINUTES AND SPEAKER TOMA SAYS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS ANYWAY AND CODIFIES THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AND IS THIS VETO OVER FLOOR MOTIONS.

IS THIS TRUE?

>> THIS IS ROLLING THE SPEAKER AND THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN AND WHEN IT DOES, THIS IS A BIG DEAL AND THE SPEAKER AND SENATE PRESIDENT DECIDES WHAT COMES UP FOR A VOTE AND WHAT COMMITTEE EVERYTHING GOES TO.

IF THE SPEAKER DOESN'T WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE FLOOR, LIKE MEDICAID EXPANSION, THEY GET A MAJORITY FROM BOTH TOGETHER, IT DOESN'T MATTER, YOU CAN FORCE THAT TO THE NOOR.

FLOOR.

THIS COULD BE INTERESTING WITH A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND SLIGHT REPUBLICAN AND THEY WANT TO COPPLE TOGETHER SLIGHT REPUBLICANS AND UNANIMOUS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

>> THAT'S COMING UP AND REPRESENTATIVE COOK SUPPORTS IT AND OTHERS WHO SUPPORT DOING IT, BUT IF THE LEADERSHIP DOESN'T SUPPORT WAIVING THE EXPENDITURE LIMIT BECAUSE THE RIGHT-WING FOLKS WANT REFORM.

THE BUDGET ITSELF -- >> Ted: EVERYTHING ITSELF.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN, SAID, I'M SHUTTING THE DOOR ON MY OWN IDEAS.

>> EXACTLY.

WHAT IT'S DONE, THOUGH, IT'S EMPOWERED THE RIGHT WING BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE ARE ENOUGH MODERATE REPUBLICAN AND 31 OUT OF 60 IN THE HOUSE AND IF A FEW SAY LIKE IN PAST, WE AGREE WITH THE DEMOCRATS ON THIS ISSUE, THIS ALLOWS THE SPEAKER TO UNILATERALLY SAY, NO, I'M THE DICTATOR ON THIS.

>> WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS PREEMPTIVELY CUT KATI HOBBS OFF AT THE KNEES AND ANYTHING POLICY SHE WANTS TO GET THROUGH, SHE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE OR TWO REPUBLICANS -- I WOULDN'T CALL THEM MODERATES.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S SUCH AN ANIMAL AT THE LEGISLATURE.

SOME PRAGMATIC LEGISLATURES LEGISLATORS DONE, THE SPENDING LIMIT WAIVER.

THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE A KING AND ANOTHER KING IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

>> I THINK IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT WHEN YOU HAVE REPUBLICANS WHO MAY NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE DECISION BY THE SPEAKER AND THE PRESIDENT TO BRING IN A VOTE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO RULE.

THAT'S A HOSTILE MOVE TOWARDS YOUR LEGISLATIVE LEADER WHETHER YOU GO ON ANY AND YOUR BILLS COME UP FOR A VOTE.

THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THIS ON RARE OCCASIONS.

EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PUSH THEM IN FRONT OF A TRUCK LIKE THAT.

>> Ted: LAURIE, WE HAD A PUSH TO ELIMINATE THE RENT ATTACKS ANDTAXES INTHE STATE AND ECHOS OF THE KARI LAKE'S PLATFORM WHICH DIDN'T GO OVER.

>> THE FOOD TAX WOULD CUT $182 MILLION FROM CITIES AND TOWN'S BUDGETS BUDGETS AND YOU'LL HAVE TO DEFUND THE POLICE.

YOU WON'T HAVE A CHOICE.

>> I'M SORRY.

EVERY YEAR WHEN YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO THE CITIES, WHAT WILL WE CUT?

WE'RE GOING TO CUT THE POLICE AND FIRE.

WE WON'T CUT ANYTHING ELSE.

WE WON'T CUT THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S CHAIR ALLOWANCE.

>> IF YOU THINK THAT, GO FOR IT BUT BY FAR, THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THE BUDGET IS POLICEAND FIRE.

I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, WE WON'T HAVE ANYMORE LIBRARIANS AND THAT WILL CUT YOU A BUCK 50 BUT WON'T GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

>> Ted: OR YOU CAN RAISE TAXES IN OTHER AREAS.

>> THIS IS THE OTHER THING, THIS IS FOR THE POOR AND HELP EVERYONE GIVEN INFLATION.

BUT 3.4 MILLION PEOPLE IN ARIZONA THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT ASSUMING THEY SHOP WHERE THERE IS NO FOOD TAX AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THE POOR.

IF YOU'RE ON FOOD STAMPS, YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM PAYING THE TAX.

>> Ted: THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING THIS WILL ALL WASH OUT BECAUSE THIS WILL BALANCE OUT ANYTHING THAT MIGHT GO AWAY BY WAY OF THESE TAXES.

DOES THAT ROLL WITH YOU?

>> THE STATE SHARED REVENUE BECAUSE THEY CUT INCOME TAX.

REMEMBER, THEY HAD A HUGE FIGHT AND THEY HAD TO INCREASE THAT TO MAKE THE INCOME TAX CUTS IN THE FIRST MACE.

INPLACE.THE CITY WON'T LOSE THAT MUCH MONEY AND SHE'S NOT TOO KEEN.

THEY WOULDN'T GIVE ME A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, BUT BASICALLY, IF THEY COULD FIND A WAY WITHOUT HURTING THE CITY AND THAT MEANS, IF YOU TAKE AWAY $200 MILLION IN CITY TAX REVENUE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY WILL OBJECT TO.

>> THE POLITICS OF THIS, ARIZONA HAD A STATE-WIDE TAX ON FOOD UNTIL 1980 AND THERE WAS AN INITIATIVE AND ANOTHER SIGNATURES TO FORCE THE LEGISLATURE TO REMOVE IT AND FOOD TAXES WHEN YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE ARE NOT POPULAR IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THE SECOND ISSUE AS FAR AS THE CITY IS RECOVERING, WE JUST SAW NEW REVENUES AND IF WE ARE HEADED INTO A RECESSION, YOU FOE,KNOW, THERE'S A HIT TO THE CITY DOWN THE ROAD.

THE CITIES WHO GET TWO YEARS RETROACTIVE LOSE MONEY, TOO.

YOU CAN'T SAY IT COMES OUT IN THE WASH. >> YOU AGREE WITH THE PREMISE THAT THE BEST GOVERNMENT IS CLOSEST TO YOU, WHICH IS THE CITIES, I WOULD SAY LEAVE IT TO THE CITIES AND TAXPAYERS.

IF THERE ARE TAXPAYERS CLAMORING TO HAVE THESE TAXES REMOVED, YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD SEE THEM.

THIS WAS A HEARING AT THE LEGISLATURE AND NOT ONE PERSON SHOWED UP TO TESTIFY IN MAYOR OF FAVOR ELIMINATING THE TAX.

>> JIM SMALL, REGARDING KARI LAKE AND HER FUNDRAISING AFTER LOSING.

NOT AFTER WINNING, BUT AFTER LOSING 2.$5 MILLION FROM THE DAY AFTER ELECTION TO THE END OF THE YEAR, GOOD WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT.

>> ELECTION DENIAL IS A LUCRATIVE BUSINESS.

THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW OF BECAUSE IN DECEMBER, SHE SET UP A NONPROFIT TO SAVE ARIZONA FUND OR SOMETHING, TO GIVE HER MONEY.

THE INTERESTING THING IS, PEOPLE HAVE SAID, OH, YES, BUT THAT'S USED FOR HER LAWYERS TO CONTEST THE ELECTION.

ACCORDING TO JIM SMALL'S ACCOUNT, AND EXCELLENT ACCOUNT AND YOU SHOULD READ IT.

ONLY ABOUT 10% OF THAT MONEY HAS BEEN USED TO PAY HER ATTORNEYS IN THE LAWSUIT.

>> Ted: THEN MARK FINCHEM RAISING MONEY FOR DEBTS.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY THINK WE'RE STUPID OR WHAT.

I GET THIS THREE TIMES A DAY, GIVE ME MONEY, FIGHTING TO WIN AND SAYS AT THE BOTTOM, USED TO PAY OFF CAMPAIGN DEBT.

WHAT PART OF THE FACT THAT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS ARE PUBLIC DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND?

HE ENDED THE YEAR WITH A SURPLUS.

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT SOMEBODY, SOME PROSECUTOR, PERHAPS, MIGHT SAY WHAT PART OF CONSUMER PARADE FRAUD DO YOU NOT SAY?

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT FUTURE CAMPAIGN?

>> WHAT CAMPAIGN MONEY CAN BE USED FOR BUT CAMPAIGN EXPENDITURE TO INFLUENCE AN ELECTION.

THE ELECTION WAS OVER TWO MONTHS AGO.

>> Ted: NOT ACCORDING TO KARU.

>> SURE, THAT'S ELECTION, BUT HOW DOES GOING TO MAR-A-LAGO IN DECEMBER TRYING TO INFLUENCE AN ELECTION.

>> Ted: THAT HAS NENEVER HAS NEVER ENDED.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND THAT'S IT FOR NOW AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!