COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON: IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING A STATE SUPREME COURT RULING ON THE RELEASE OF RECORDS INVOLVING THE STATE SENATE'S REVIEW OF MARICOPA COUNTY ELECTION RESULTS.

THAT AND MORE, NEXT, ON THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS ITS TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US TONIGHT: MARY JO PITZL OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND >> THIS ALL REVOLVED AROUND THE LEGISLATURE CONTENTION THAT SOME DOWNS ARE JUST OFF LIMITS, THAT WE CANNOT SHARE SOME OF THESE COUPLES THAT WERE CREATED IN THE ROSS SELFS NEGOTIATING AND SETTING UP THE AUDIT FROM LAST YEAR AND UNANIMOUS SUPREME AGREED.

UNANIMOUS JEREMY AND ADMINISTRATIVE POLITICAL OR OTHER NON-LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.

YOU GOT GIVE UP, BUT POLITICAL NON-LEGISLATIVE.

THAT SEEMS SO VAGUE.

YEAH.

THAT IS A BLURRY LINE THERE AND MADE COMMENT JUST TO EFFECT IT IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED WHICH DOESN'T MEAN IT IS NOT A LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION FOR THESE COUPLES THEY HAVE TO GO BACK DO IN THE LOWER COURT TO GO OVER THESE ANDING IF GR OUT WHAT IS WHAT AND WHAT MEETS THESE.

>> IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE LOWER COURT TO LOOK AT THIS.

THAT IS VAGUE.

>> YEAH.

EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS LAWSUIT WAS REVOLVED AROUND 1,000 DOWNS THAT THE SENATE HAD LEDGE SLAUTIVE PRIVILEGE THEY WERE PRIVILEGED BECAUSE OF PROF LEMMING THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO RELEASE SO SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF THESE DOCUMENTS TO THE COURT AND SAID HERE IS ALL THE ONES AND GAVE DESCRIPTORS BUT THEY WERE VAGUE.

THEY SAID, WE DON'T WANT TO RELEASE THEM TO LEGISLATIVE PRIVILEGE.

THE TRIAL COURT NEEDS TO REACCESS THESE.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, THE SENATE NEEDS TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ABOUT EXACTLY WHY THESE THINGS ARE BEING WITHHELD AND SOMETHING, A HIGHER LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT DOESN'T GUFF AWAY WHAT INS THE DOCUMENTS NECESSARILY BUT GIVES AND DIRECTED THE LOWER COURT IF THE LEGISLATURE DOES THAT AND REVIDES THIS KIND OF MORE THOROUGH PRIVILEGED LOG, THEN, THE COURT IS SUPPOSED TO DEFORETHE SENATE IF THEY DON'T DO IT.

IN THE THE COURT CAN DO REVIEW BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THEN TAKE AT THE DON'T THEN LOOK AT THEM AND DECIDE WHICH ONES ARE PRIV LENNED THEN WHICH ONCE SHOULD BE RELEASED.

>> THEN ADMINISTRATIVE POLITICAL NON-LEGISLATIVE.

THAT IS A TREASURE TROVE THERE OAR BURN OF TOUGH THAT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE PROCESS.

WEE WILL SEA.

YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BEAYON.

THERE IS STILL A LOT OF CURIOSITY ABOUT THE FOUNDATION OF THE AUDIT AND THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT WEAPON BEA HYPE CLOSED DOORS BUT THIS HAS RAMIFICATIONS GOING FORWARD FOR BUT WHERE?

WHERE IS THAT LINE?

THAT IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR.

SO JEREMY POLITICAL, OK. GOT TO GIVE IT A LEGISLATIVE NOT OK. CAN'T GIVE IT UP.

HOW MUCH OF A LAWMAKER DOES IS LEGISLATIVE?

>> WELL, GUESS, THAT IS THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER SAYING I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE AUDIT WAS NOT LEGISLATIVE AT ALL.

S ONLY THEY VIEWED THIS AS A FUNCTION, AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THINGS LIKE YOU GET E-MAILS STUFF LIKE THAT AND OBVIOUSLY NOT LEGISLATIVE AND POLITICAL TYPES OF COMMUNICATION, BUT THE NEXUS BETWEEN WHAT IS OFFICIAL BUSINESS.

WHAT IS NOT.

YOU CAN DRAW A LINE BETWEEN ALMOST ANYTHING AND SAY THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION.

WELL, THIS IS WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAID.

BASICALLY THE AUDIT IS CLEARLY WITHIN THE WHEELHOUSE OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS AUTHORITY TO DO AND SO, BECAUSE OF THAT RECORDS THAT ARE GENERATED RELATED TO IT ARE POTENTIALLY SUBJECT TO LEGISLATIVE PRIVILEGE.

THEY KIND OF EXPANDED IT A LITTLE BIT IN THIS RULING ON RULING THEY HAD COUPLE OF YEARS THAT INVOLVED THE STATE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THEN RELEASE OF INFORMATION RELATED TO INVESTIGATION INTO FORMER REPRESENTATIVE AND BIG FIGHT OVER WHAT SHOULD BE RELEASED AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED THEN IS THE COURT IN THAT CASE DETERMINED THAT ACROT OF THIS STUFF THAT WAS BEING SHELD BACK SHOULD HAVE BEEN RELEASED BECAUSE IT WAS PURELY OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS TASKS WITH DOING, BUT OTHER THINGS THEY DETERMINED COULD BE HELD ON, COULD BE HELD BACK, AND SO IT BUILDS ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND ALTHOUGH, LAKE MARY JO SAID, PRESENT SOME, I THINK MUDDIES THE WATERS GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF WHAT IS ALLOWED AND SETS THE STAGE TO HAVE TO FIGHT IN COURT EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO REQUEST A TROARD THE LEGISLATURE.

IN THE, THEN, THE PRESIDENT CALLED IT A HUGE VICTORY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

>> HIGH OF BEHOLDER THERE.

YEAH.

SHE HAS BEEN RATHER UPSET ALL THE ALONG.

OH MY GOSH, THIS IS GOING TO OPEN UP ALL KINDS OF IN THES SHE DIDN'T SEE ANSWER GROUND FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A LOOK AT THIS.

SO THIS, JOY, THE IS A BIG WIN FOR THEM.

LET'S MOVE ON HERE.

TOM HORN, THE CANDIDATE FOR SUPER INTENT DF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION ONCE HAD DAVID STRONGER AS ONE ON THE CAMPAIGN AND DONATION AND CLOSE TO.

YEAH.

HORNE GOING MATT AND DEFENDING STRONGER THAN THE INVOLVEMENT IN THE CAMPAIGN IS NOW SAYING HE IS GOING TO REFUND, I FOR GET HOW MUCH, CONTRIBUTION, THAT FORM OF GOODS AND SERVICE IN A AM NOT SURE HOW YOU REFUND AND HE PESH LYNN THE FORM OF SERVICE BUY GUESS WE FIND OUT IN THE NEXT CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WEIGH HORNE'S CAMPAIGN DOWN.

YOU MAY REMEMBER, DAVID STRUNG WAS THE STATE LEGISLATURE, AND HOUSE REP WHO FIRST GOT IN A LOT OF TROUBLE FOR A LOT OF RACIST COMMENTS HE MADE IN PUBLIC AND NOW SECOND A TROY THE TRAGIC LEGACY DOWN THERE BECAUSE HE RESIGNED THAT AND OLD CHILD SEX CRIME CHARGES HE FACED BACK IN MARYLAND.

THERE WAS NO GUILTY PLEAS AND CONVICTED THERE IS A TYPE OF A DEAL YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADMIT GUILT ARE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

HE WENT INTO TREATMENT.

BUT STILL VERYINGLY AL VAGUES ALLEGATION FUSS REMEMBER THE DETAILS OF THIS AND RUN THOUGH TOP SCHOOL OFFICIAL IN ARIZONA YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE ACCUSED MUCH CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING.

YEAH.

BACK IN 20 19 AND RESIGNED BEFORE THE ETHICS INVESTIGATION GOT GOING HERE.

WAS IT A YEAR FROM HORNE OR KIND OF -- WHAT WAS GOING ON SNEER WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IT IS PRETTY CLEAR, THAT TOM HORNE AND HIS FAMILY, HIS LOOK OF RELATIONSHIP WITH DAVID STRUNG WE'RE SHALL THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

IT IS HARD TO SAY.

I THINK BY ALL ACCOUNTS YOU LOOK AT HOW HE GENED IM IN THAT SPER RU, THAT YOU OH, THIS IS SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, THINK HE MIGHT HAVE SAID, HE HOLDS, HE CONSIDERS TO BE A FRIEND.

YOU KNOW, HE MAY DISAGREE THE OPENLY RACIST THINGS DAVID STRINGER HAS SAID BUT YOU KNOW, HE EVENTUALLY ACCUSED THE POLICE AND PROSECUTORS IN BALTIMORE IN THE 1980'S OF BEING CORRUPT, DIDN'T PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO IT BUT SAID IT MAKES IT OK. NOW HE WILL CHANGE THE TUNE.

HE TOLD 3TV AND CBS 5 THAT STRENGTH IS INNOCENT.

STRONGER CALLS A SMEAR AND PART OF THE TABLOID JOURNAL OF AND ALL THERE.

THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE REPUBLICAN STRUCTURE.

THEN AFTER ALL OF THOSE COME MEMBERS COME OUT.

HE DOES A 180 AND DROP.

IT'S THE GUY FROM ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CAMPAIGN AND REFUND THIS WHATEVER THIS SERVICE IS THAT WAS PROVIDED AND SO HE, YOU OH, HE REVERSED COURSE AND I YOU COULD SAY, HE MAYBE OWNED THE AIR BUT WHAT IS THINK IT WHICH IS IT THAT DAVID STRINGER?

YEAH THEN KATHY HOFFMAN THE DEMOCRATIC IN COUPLE BEEN AND THE DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT SAID THE RELATIONSHIP WITH STRINGER IN THIS CASE FOR THIS PARNGCULAR OFFICE WAS DISQUALIFYING AND OBVIOUSLY, A POLITICS AT PLAY HERE AS WELL.

THEN, DOES THIS HIT THE CAMPAIGN HARD OR THE KIND OF THING THAT IS MEMORY COME OF SNOW.

>> WELL, CAMPAIGN VERY HARD.

THIS IS A VERY DOWN BALLOT RACE.

THIS IS LOW INFORMATION.

MOST VOTERS PROBABLY DON'T KNOW WHO THE SUPERINTENDENT IS NOW AND NEVER HEARD OF KATHY HOFFMAN IN A OFFICE FOR 12 YEARS BUT IF THEY HEAR ONE NEWS STORY ABOUT SUPERINTENDENT'S RACE BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER, IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THIS ONE.

LIKE THE ONLY THING THAT VOTERS LO ABOUT YOUR CAMPAIGN, THAT IS NOT GOOD.

YEAH.

JIM?

YEAH.

THINK, THEY CAN.

I THINK IT IS UP TO DEMOCRATS TO THE HOFFMAN'S CAMPAIGN TO CUT THROUGH A LOT OF THE POLITICAL NOISES GOING ON NOW, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT POINT TO VOTERS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THINK ESPECIALLY THOSE KIND OF SUBURBAN REPUBLICANS THAT KIND OF THE COLLEGE EDUCATED THEN THE PENT PEPS THE ONES THAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN AND THE MARK KELLY CAMPAIGN AND KYRSTEN SINEMA'S CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ABLE TO TURN OUT.

AND SHOWS BEING TOUGH ON THE BORDER I THINK, SHE HAS TESTIMONIALS FROM BORDER SHERIFFS AND AREA DEMOCRATS THEN THE QUOTE IS ALL ABOUT ACTION AND KEEP THE BORDERS SECURITY AND PEOPLE BUYING THIS?

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE AD WHAT ARE THOSE ACTIONS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PROMISE WE'LL GET SOMETHING DONE BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ACTIONS ARE.

AND YOU KNOW, A YOU REMEMBER A TIME WHERE EBB HAD TO DO AD ABOUT GUNS.

AND SHIELDING EYEGLASSES ON AND NOW YOU KNOW THE LAST COUPLE OF CYCLES BAWL THE BORE EBB DOES A BOARD PER AD AND WASN'T WEARING JEANS HAT BUT YOU GOT TO GO DOWN THERE.

YEAH.

MAIN USUALLY THIS IS MORE OBLIGATORY FOR REPUBLICANS BUT GETTING HIT HARD BAY THE REPUBLICANS BAY THE BORDER STUFF AND RUN THREE ADS AGAINST HER.

AND YOU IT IS VERY WELL AND OBVIOUS THAT HOBBS SEES THAT AND WENT DOWN THERE AND YOU KNOW, OBLIGATORY BORDER WEAR AND MAYBE SOME JEANS AND DIDN'T SAY BUILD A DANG FENCE AM WE MISSED OUT ON THAT ONE AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT THIS I SHORE THAT YOU VOTERS DO CARE ABOUT.

>> THE WISDOM OF RUNNING SUCH AN AD AND KARI LAKE RESPOND AND INSISTS NOBODY INCLUDING HER KATIE HOBBS BELIEVES SHE WILL FOLK.

I MEAN, BE THIS OPEN UP HER MORE.

WHAT IS THIS KIND OF THING?

IT DESIGNED TO BLUNT A WEAK SPOT FOR HER.

ONE THE REB CAPS ARE TRYING TOX PLOIT AND THIS IS NOT FAR FROM THE AD THAT KATIE HOBBS IS RUNNING THEN A COUPLE OF ATTACK ADS ON KARI LAKE THEN THAT YOU THINK IF YOU WATCH ALL THREE AND THREE ADS IN ROTATION NU AND I THINK YOU WATCH ALL HEA.

THE BORE ONE IS LIKE WHITE NOISE.

IT IS TO TRAY TO SHORE UP SOMETHING AND SHOW THAT HEY, LOOK, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS.

WE ARE NOT IGNORING IT WE ARE NOT FRESHING THERE IS A PROBLEM AND MAYBE HAVE SPOTS ABOUT IDEAS OPP HOW TO ADDRESS IT.

>> YEAH.

DEMOCRAT.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

YEAH.

AS WE MENTIONED VIG ON WHAT SHE WILL DID WHAN THE CAMPAIGN TOLD ME.

IT MEAPS YOU WILL MAKE SURE THAT BORDER COMMUNITIES AND BORDER SHERIFF LOOK THE TWO DEMOCRATIC AND GET THE RESOURCE THEY NEED THE STATE UNDER A HOBBS ADMINISTRATION AND PRETTY VAGUE AND I MEAN, IT IS, YOU KNOW, NOT GOING THAT FAR IN TERMS OF HOT GOING AS FAR AS WE HEARD FROM DOUG DUCEY NOT WHAT WE HEARD FROM CAREY LAKE WHO IS MAKING RESOURCE FOR BORDER SECURITY AND UNPRECEDENTED WAY.

BUT A LITTLE BIT I HEAR YOU.

I HEAR.

TON KEEP THE PHONE RECORDS AWAY AND SHE SAYS ENTIRE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY COULD BE COMPROMISED.

GIVES UPDATE AND WHAT GOING ON HERE.

YEAH.

THE UPDATE IS GOING ON SINCE SPRINGTIME OVER THE RECORDS.

AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND PARTY PLAYED AS THINGS WERE HAPPENING AND AND, YOU OH, THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY REALLY PLAYING A KEY ROLE IN THAT.

AND GETTING REAL CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT SHE WAS IN CONTACT WITH AND, THE DEA SIR NOT TO BASICALLY LAY OPEN LAY OPEN KIND OF THE PHONE RECORDS OF WHO THE TOP PERSON IN THE PARTY WAS TALKING TO LOG TO THE ELECTION.

>> BRINGS US BACK THOUGH FIRST TOPIC WHICH SHOULD SOME THINGS BE KEPT SECRET AS FAR AS THESE RECORDS ARE CONCERNED I THINK, DO YOU SEE A REAL POINT HERE.

>> YEAH.

YEP.

NOT ONLY IN ARIZONA BUT I THINK TO ANOTHER STATE.

KELLY WARD PULLED THIS BAND OF ELECTORS TOGETHER.

YEAH.

SHE NOW SAYS IT IS A BACKUP PLAN AND NOT FORWARDED.

THEY DID VENT THEMSELVES.

IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP.

SHE DID SAY THE FAKE'S LOOKERS WERE NOT FAKE.

THEIR ATTORNEY DID.

YEAH.

YEAH.

IN THE YOU KNOW, WITH THE COUPLES SAID THEY WERE DULY ELECTED AND QUALIFIED IS THIS ONE OF THOSE WHERE YOU STOP PAINTING YOURSELF IN A IN CORE SITUATION.

WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE TESTIMONY AT THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE IN WASHINGTON HOW INTEGRAL THESE FAKE.

>> ELECTORS WORKED THE WHOLE PLOT TO TRAY TO OVER THROW THE GOVERNMENT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULTS AND GET IN THESE FIVE SWING STATES INCLUDING ARIZONA THAT VOTE FORD JOE BIDEN TO GET THE LECTERS THEN OUT IN THIS OUT AND THE TRUMP EBEING ERRS MOVED IN THAT SEEMED TO BE A CRITICAL PART OF THAT AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHO.

THE TOP PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE WERE COMMUNICATING WITH.

WE DON'T KNOW.

NO ONE HAS SAID WHO WAS GIVING THEM DIRECTIONS AND WHO WAS ADVISING THEM AND TELLING THEM WHAT TO DO.

WHERE AS TO GO.

HOW DID TO DO THEN YOU KNOW THESE ARE QUESTIONS AND POINT OUT AND NOT LOOKING FOR THE CONTENT OF THESE COME-CASE THEN WHO THEY WERE COMMUNICATING WITH.

BECAME SURE ONCE THEY SEE WHO SHE WAS COMMUNICATING WITH AND THEY ARE GOING TO PK THE ONE THAT ARE THE MOST INTERESTING THEN SEE WHAT WAS IN THE TEXT MESSAGE AND THE VOICE MAIL AND WHAT EXACTLY YOU WERE ALL SAYING TO EACH OTHER.

RIGHT.

THOSE NAMES PROBABLY DO NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN.

>> OH, I AM SURE, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT SHE WAS IN CONTACT WITH A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE TRUMP WORLD AND THE TRUMP CALM PIN AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TIED TO OTHER ASPECTS OF KIND OF THE ENTIRE SCHEME.

MARY JO, THE SCHOOL VOUCHER APPLICATIONS I GUESS CAME OUT.

HOLY SMOKES.

6,000 APPS IN TWO WEEKS.

WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED ABOUT THOSE WHO APPLIED?

>> WELL, THINK THE MOST TELLING THING THAT CAUGHT EVERYBODY'S EYE THAT IS THREE QUARTERS OFS THAT HE APPLICANTS SAY THEIR CHILDREN HAVE ANOTHER BEEN IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

WHICH SORT OF BEING.

IT'S THE WHOLE QUESTION OF A WHOLE PREMISE WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WHY WE NEED UNIVERSAL VOUCHERS TO GET KIDS OUT OF VEILING PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

AND ONLY A QUARTER OF THESE APPLICANTS HAVE HAD ANSWER KIND OF CONTACT WITH PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS I MEAN, ARE THESE PARENTS FROM, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE THEY FROM OF A FLU ENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE DOING WELL AND THE CHANCE TO JUMP TO SOMETHING ELSE?

TELLERINGLY THOUGH THESE ARE PEOPLE IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS OR HOMESCHOOLING OR YOU OH, I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THEY GOT SOON TO BE KINDERGARTNERS THAT HAS NOT BEEN SCAL AGE.

>> AS MARY JO MEMESSED THE GOVERNOR DESIGNED TRAPPED IN FAILING SCHOOLS THEN WHAT KIND OF OVERSIGHT GUESS ON HERE.

HOW DO WE KNOW THESE WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WITH THE LEDGE SLAY TOYINGS BEGIN WITH AND A LILAC OF ACCOUNTING.

SURE.

THAT US THE REPUBLICANS AS REALLY THE MAIN POINT THERE AND BRING UP THEY CAME ALONG OBVIOUSLY AS WE ARE SEEING NOW BUT THE LOOK OF OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN ISSUE FOR MANY YEARANCE ISSUE FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHO ENDED UP GOING ALONG WITH THIS.

THE NUMBERS WHERE HE SEEING THIS WAS 1600 OR 17 ON WHO WERE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL AND THE EXAM NEAL GOVERNOR DUCEY AND OTHERPORTERS ARE TRYING TO HOLD OUT WHO THIS IS GOING TO HELP AND 7 A PERCENT OF THEM ARE FOLKS WHO ARE.

SCHOOL AND OPENS UP KIND OF HE ATTACK AND TRYING TO RENEAL.

YOU GOT ESTIMATED A FEW MON AGO.

47,000 PRIVATE SCHOOL IN THE STATE.

35,000 HOMESCHOOL AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET THEM OUT.

THEY ARE ALREADY OUT OF THIS.

THIS F THE PROGRAM IS A LOUED TO STAND THEN A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE WE FIND THAT OUT WISH THERE.

WHO IS THIS GOING TO BE MORE POPULAR WITH.

HOW THAT IS REPEAL PROCESS DOING?

AH, THE SAVE OUR SCHOOL ARIZONA IS KIND OF SPEARHEADING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT IN 2024 AND 138,000.

118,000 THROUGH YOU ARES WITHIN ABOUT 0 DAYS AND THEN 8 OL GAS IS OF THE WAY THE CALL END DER WORKED OUT.

THEY SAY THEY ARE ON TRACK AND GOING TO BE ABLE TO TURN IN ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY AND WE'LL FAIN OUT.

THEY GOT ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS AND NOT THREE WEEKS.

AND IF THEY EQUAL NI PUT.

IT'S THE LAW ON HOLD UNTIL THE 2024 BALLOT AS JIM SAID AND, INTERVANING THEN YOU HAVE TWO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS THAT COULD HAPPEN AND THE LEGISLATURE MAY WANT TO REPEAL THE LAW THAT HAS BEEN REFERRED THEN TINKER WITH IT.

I MEAN ALL KINDS OF THINGS COULD HAPPEN BEFORE WE GET TO 2024.

HAVE YOU LEADER THE GOVERNOR FROM PRONONES OF THIS REGARDING THE AMERS LEASED HERE THERE ARE THEY SAYING ANY THING?

IT IS WORKING?

>> CHOICE IS A GOOD THING.

YOU KNOW?

WE BELIEVE THAT THESE EDUCATION DOLLARS ARE FOR CHILDREN AND NOT FOR INSTITUTIONS.

ALL RIGHT.

JEREMY, I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THIS LAWSUIT.

THIS WAS -- YEAH.

AND THEY THREW IT OUT.

I WAS GROUNDLESS.

I WAS NOT IN GOOD FAITH.

ALL THE JUN WENT CRAZY ON.

OH BY THE WAY, ALSO'S PLAY POLITICAL ATTORNEY FEES I SHOULD SAY.

YEAH.

SURE.

$75,000 IN ATTORNEY FEES.

ING THAT IS BETWEEN CONGRESSMAN PAUL AND THE STATE REP, THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR THE SECRETARY STATE AND FORMER STATE REP WHO IS ON THE WAY BACK TO THE STATE SENATE AND THE JUDGE ORDERED ATTORNEY FEES THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MEANS TO ANYONE.

THIS HAPPEN WHENS THE JUDGE SAID THERE IS NO GROUNDS FOR THIS LAWSUIT TO BEGIN WITH AND BRING A LAWSUIT IN GOOD FAITH YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE CHILLING EFFECT WHERE YOU DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM BRINGING LITIGATION BUT WE SAW FROM BEGINNING THIS IS NOT REALLY A LAWSUIT BROUGHT IN GOOD FAITH.

THE JUDGE OBS LIZA GREED TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS HARASSMENT AND HAZE THE FERNANDEZ AND OTHER DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS SAID AND SENT A LETTER TO THE FED SAYING WE WANT YOU TO INVESTIGATE THE ROLE THE PEOPLE HAD IN THE JOBBERY 6th RIOT THAT IS NOT EVEN.

THERE WAS NOT ACQUISITION.

WE WANT YOU TO INVESTIGATE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE AND WHAT THEIR ROLE WAS.

YEAH.

$7 A THOUSAND FOR BRINGING IN.

IT IS A BOGUS LAW.

YEAH.

YEAH, THEN YOU KNOW, THE JUDGE, EVEN NOTED AND SAID, LOOK.

THIS LAWSUIT WAS PASSANCE IN IT THAT HADDING TO DO WITH THE CLAIMS OF HAND THEN IT APPEARED IT WAS WRITTEN NOT FOR THE COURT NOT FOR THE JUDGE WHO WAS GOING TO BE CONSIDERING THE CASE BUT WRITTEN FOR SET OPERATE AUDIENCE AND LEFT AND UNSAID WHAT THAT WAS.

IN THE, I THINK, KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CLEAR AT THE TIME AND REMAINS CLEAR, THAT YOU KNOW, IT WAS WRITTEN FOR THAT SOCIAL MEDIA FOR THE, NOW, HE THE KIND OF THE OWN THE LID SORT OF MENTALITY AND I QUESTIONS ABOUT IT IS EXPENSIVE LESSON TO LEARN.

YEAH.

TWO POINTS, A COUPLE OF READERS HAVE ASKED THE $7 A THOUSAND FROM THE THREE CUMULATIVELY.

NOTED HAVELY.

DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DIVIDE THAT UP AND STILL HAS A FUND-RAISING APPEAL RUNNING ON-LINE FOR THAT.

AND ALSO, THE JUDGE HAD LITTLE SCOLD TRILLION FOR THE ATTORNEYS WHO REPRESENTED THIS TRIO BECAUSE THESE ATTORNEYS WERE ALLOWED TO RACK IS OR NOT, THEY ARE NOT, THEY ARE NOT ARIZONA BAR CERTIFIED TO PRAC THIS IS IN THE STATE, SO THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT THE OTHER FORM SO THEY CAN ARGUE THE KISS AND HE CHIDED THEM FOR SAYING THAT ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS SAYING MY ETHICAL DUTY IS, YOU KNOW, TO REPRESENT BY MY CLIENT AND AS VIGOROUS RY ACAN AND FOR GET THE AXE LANGUAGE.

JEALOUSLY.

AND THE JUDGE POINTED OUT, THAT WELL, THAT LANGUAGE WAS DROPPED FROM THE ETHICS CODE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

I WOULD HOPE THAT ATTORNEYS WHO PRACTICE IN ARZ RAZR FAMILIAR WHAT THE ETHIC RULES ARE.

>> ON THAT ONE.

AND, AND, ATTORNEY GENERAL MARK BRNOVICH IS GOING AFTER TUCSON REGARDING VACCINATIONS AND SUCH.

CIVIL RIGHTS VIE LAKES NOW YOU ARE SAYING.

RELIGIOUS OBJECTIONS TO VACCINANCE MEDICAL THAT GOES BACK TO A POLICY THAT CITY OF TUCSON LAST YEAR AND NOT SURE WHY THIS LAWSUIT COMING UP NOW BUT REQUIRING THE CITY PEOPLEEES TO BE VACCINATED UNLESS THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE YOU KNOW LEGITIMATE LEGAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULD NOT UNDER MEDICAL GROUNDS THEN I FORGET THE NUMBERS AND A CERTAIN NUMBER WHO A EVER THAT WERE DENIED NOW YOU HAVE THE LATEST IN A STRING OF COVID RESTRICTION RELATED LAWSUITS THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS BROUGHT.

YEAH.

WHY, WHY NOT YOU?

WHATS THE TIMING HERE.

WHAT IS GOING WON THAT.

HONESTLY.

I REALLY AM NOT SURE WHY THIS IS COMING UP NOW.

MEAN, I THINK, IT IS A APPROXIMATELY SAY THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND BEEN IN ACED FOR LITTLE WHILE.

YOU KNOW?

LIKE, IT IS GNAT CASE.

I FOLLOWED TERRIBLY CLOSELY THEN A LOT OF THESE KIND OF VACCINE MANDATES THAT DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT ENTITIES WERE DOING BACK WHEN THEY WERE HAPPENING THEN THREAT AT THE TIME AND WHY WE ARE SEEING THIS NOW IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF 22 THEN.

THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THE POLICY THEN A LOT BACK AND FORTH WITHIN TUCSON AND FULL SUR KELL AND DIDN'T START ENFORCING IT UNTIL RECENTLY SO NOW, WE HAVE THIS.

OK.

THIS IS A PERFECT THING ANOTHER CAMPAIGN.

YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD NOT SAB US OUT OF THE RACE YOU KNOW?

>> YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

JEREMY WE'LL WRAP IT UP WITH YOU AND THE PENT REDISTRICT COMMISSION, IT IS BACK IN THE NEWS WANTING TO GET INVOLVED IN A CASE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

YEAH.

I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO HEAR FROM THESE FOLK IS A GAN.

THE CASE OF THE SUPREME COURT CAVES OUT QUARTERBACK NORTH CAROLINA OVER THE THREE CONTROVERSIAL LEGAL THEORY CALLED INDEPENDENT STATE.

DREW CONGRESSIONAL MAP AND DRUG STRUCK THEM DOWN.

TOOK AND REDAU IT.

YOU HAVE UNDER THIS INTERPRETATION THE JUDGES INTO RIGHT TO TELL THE LEGISLATURE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO.

IN THE, THIS IS LONG VIEWED AS THEORY AND COMING MORE AND TIME SAY WHAT THE COURT WILL DO AND.

>> IF THEY RULE IN FAVOR OF THE NORTH CAROLINA LEGISLATURE HOW FAR THAT RULING WOULD GO FANNED IT GOES FAR IT COULD BASICALLY ELAM MAT THE RIGHT OF INDEPENDENT COME MIGS LIKE OURS TO DRAW CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS SO THEY WANT TO KINDS OF PUT THEIR VIS ON RECORD SAYING DEFENDING THEIR IN INTERESTS AND DON'T GET INTO THE FULL, LOOK THE FULL, THEY WANT TO GENE THEIR INTERESTS THAT THE VOTERS HAVE THE POWERS AND TO DRAW THESE CONGRESSIONAL.

SO AGAIN, THE COURT SAID, BECAUSE THE NORTH CAROLINA LEGISLATURE JERRY MAN DERRED LAIL THAT IS OUR JOB TAKE TO IT THE SUE REAM KURT AND NOW THE SUE ROOM COUTHER SAID THAT IS NOT YOUR JOB.

THAT COULD AFFECT ARIZONA.

ARIZONA AND A NUMBER OF OTHER STATES WHICH GETS THEM TO LARGER PART OF THE CHESS BOARD AND HELP REPUBLICANS IN NORTH CAROLINA HELP DEMOCRATS IN OTHER STATES, SO FOLKS WILL LOOK AT THEIR OWN NARROW INTERESTS WHEN DEALING WITH THE OWN STATE STATE BUGS ON LARGER LEVEL.

I WAS NOT JUST A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT ARIZONA'S SPENT COMMISSION INDEED CAN DRAW LINES BECAUSE THEY RAZZ A RAW MAKING IN TY, THEY REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE CAN MAKE LAWS, THE LEGISLATURE MAKES LAWS.

THEY ARE ON PAR.

SO THE SUPREME COURT IF THIS GOES ANYWHERE WILL HAVE TO RESTATE OF THE ONE.

THIS IS A BRIEF TO TELEPHONE THE CAP TO THAT.

OK.

EXTREME CASES LEGISLATURE SAY THEY CAN DO THIS.

THEY DID HAVE A FOOTNOTE IF YOU FEEL THE NEED.

GO AHEAD AND ELIMINATE WHATAFTER PARTS YOU HAVE.

ALL RIGHT.

WE GOT TO STOP IT THERE.

I HAD TO GET THAT OUT.

THEN THAT IS YOUR BABRI.

THANKS FOR JOINING.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I AM TED SIMONS YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.