>> IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND ROUNDTABLE AND WE LOOK AT ELECTION CONTROL.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

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>> WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US, WE ARE LAURIE ROBERTS AND MARY JO PITZEL AND JIM SMALL.

WELCOME TO YOU ALL.

LET'S START ALL WITH THE COCHISE LAWSUIT AND WHERE DID THIS START AND WHAT'S THE BASIS OF THIS SUIT?

>> IT'S ONE OF THE COUNTIES THAT BALKED ABOUT THE STATE LAW UN-CERTIFYING THE ELECTION AND TWO REPUBLICANS AND ONE DEMOCRAT, WHICH IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING TWO ELECTION DENIERS AND ONE NOT.

AND THEY HAVE ALL ALONG WANTED TO DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS, A HAND COUNT OF THE BALLOTS, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T ALLOWED BY LAW.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CERTIFY.

EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID YOU MUST CERTIFY.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE AT THAT TIME HAD TO THREATEN HER.

NOW THEY'VE DECIDED TO TAKE THEIR STATUTORY POWERS TO RUN AN ELECTION AND PUT THEM IN THE HANDS OF THE COCHISE COUNTY RECORDER WHO IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MARK FINCHEM'S.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T DO IT AND KRIS MAYES IS TRYING TO FIX IT.

>> THIS IS TROUBLESOME ON IT FACE AND WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF QUALIFICATIONS?

STEVENS?

>> HE IS A CERTIFIED ELECTION'S OFFICIAL AND HE'S A COUNTY RECORDER AND HE HAS BEEN ELECTED TWICE IN COCHISE COUNTY AND HE AND FINCHEM AND HE'S DESCRIBED FINCHEM AS HIS BEST FRIEND AND THEY LOOK AT NONELECTION ISSUES.

WHAT'S INTERESTING, THE BOARD, THEY HAVE THIS AGREEMENT DRAFTED UP TO BASICALLY GIVE THE ELECTION POWERS TO THE RECORDER, WHICH IS RATHER UNUSUAL.

AND INITIALLY, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THEY DRAFTED THAT.

BUT AFTER THE AG RAISES OBJECTIONS, THE AG SAYS WE'RE NOT ON BOARD THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

THE BOARD APPROVED IT ANYWAY AND MAYES SUED AND NOW THE BOARD HAS TO FIND OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE REPRESENTED BY A COUNTY ATTORNEY BECAUSE THEY DOESN'T BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES HERE?

I KNOW WE'RE TIRED OF DOING THIS EVERY WEEK AND RELITIGATING WHETHER IT'S 2018, 2020, 2022 AND WHERE DOES THIS FIT INTO THE BIG PICTURE?

>> IT'S A SCREW IN HOW WE'RE SEEING THESE ELECTION CONSPIRACIES AND THE ELECTIONS HERE ARE SOMEHOW HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED AND ARE EXTREMELY VULNERABLE TO FRAUD AND BAD ACTORS AND HOW IT PLAYS OUT WHEN THAT TRANSLATES INTO ACTUAL GOVERNANCE AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING OVER THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS IN COCHISE COUNTY, EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE ELECTION WITH A HAND COUNT WHICH WAS LATE IN THE PROCESS AND THE COURT SAID THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED DO.

THEY ITERATED CONSISTENTLY TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO CHANGE THE WHAT THEY DO THINGS AND THEY REPEATEDLY BROUGHT IN SPEAKERS WHO JUST HAD THESE WILD ELECTION CONSPIRACIES BASED ON NOTHING OR A TWISTING OR MISUNDERSTAND OF HOW ELECTIONS WORKED.

>> KEEP IN MIND, WHAT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER?

THE 2024 2024 ELECTION WHERE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS ON THE BALLOT.

THIS IS A RUNUP TO THAT ELECTION.

>> THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ADVISE THEM THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW AND THEY SAID, TOUGH, WE'RE DOING IT ANYWAY.

THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY FOR BOTH SIDES OF THIS LAWSUIT AS USUAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE WARREN COUNTY WITH A STATE TRYING TO FORCE THEM TO FOLLOW STATE LAW.

YOU DON'T LIKE THE STATE LAW, CHANGE IT.

BUT UNTIL THEN, YOU'RE HONOR BOUND AND ETHICALLY BOUND TO FOLLOW IT.

>> KATIE HOBBS IS TRYING TO SET A RECORD FOR NUMBER OF VETOES AND RACE THEORY BILL AND THE DEBATE ABOUT CRITICAL RACE THEORY IS IN K12 AND WHAT WAS AT THE CORE AND WHY DID THE GOVERNOR VETO IT?

>> THE LAST TWO YEARS WITH MODIFICATIONS.

IT SAYS THAT YOU SHALL NOT HAVE ANY LESSONS IN K12 CLASSROOMS THAT WOULD HOLD ONE GROUP SUPERIOR BASED ON RACE OR ETHNICITY AND THIS YEAR'S VERSIONS WERE BEVERLY, THE EDUCATION CHAIR IN THE HOUSE.

IT CARRIED A $5,000 PENALTY FOR THE DISTRICT IF THEY ALLOWED THEIR TEACHERS OR ONE OF THEIR TEACHERS WAS FOUND TO HAVE BEEN TEACHING THIS.

NOT TO WORRY BECAUSE TOM HORN IS OPENING UP A HOTLINE AND WE CAN GET TO THAT WHERE PEOPLE CAN REPORT THINGS EVEN THOUGH HOBBS HAS VETOED THE BILL.

>> LAURIE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> IT WAS REVEALED AND NOT A REVELATION BUT LAST MONTH, OUR ONGOING TEACHER SHORTAGE CONTINUES AND FULLY A QUARTER OF THE STATE'S CLASSROOMS ARE NOT OCCUPIED BY A QUALIFIED TEACHER.

MEANWHILE, WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE THAT'S FOOLING AROUND WITH THESE RACE BILLS AND THEY ALSO ARE BANNING BOOKS, SOME CLASSICS, I MIGHT ADD.

AND THEY'RE WANTING TO CRIMINALIZE TEACHERS WHO REFER TO ANY OF THESE BOOKS.

MEANWHILE, WE HAVE A WATER PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE NOT DEALING WITH AND RURAL ARIZONA IS DRAINED OF WATER AND A HOMELESS PROBLEM GETTING WORSE AND WORSE.

WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS THAT THEY COULD DEAL WITH AND FOCUSED ONLY THINGS WHICH I THINK ARE ALL ABOUT PADDING THEIR REELECTION BROCHURES AND TRYING TO MAKE THE GOVERNOR AND THE DEMOCRATS LOOK CRAZY.

>> JUST A MATTER TO SOME EXTENT OF NOT WANTING TO BE PRIMARY.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CRT, THIS IS SIMPLY PART OF THE CULTURE WAR AND PAINTING KATIE HOBBS THAT SHE'S NOT GOOD TO PARENTS OR STUDENTS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

>> WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE THINGS IN A COUPLE OF THE BILLS VETOED AND MANY MORE THAT I THINK WILL BE VETOED ARE, YOU KNOW, AMMUNITION IN THIS CULTURE WAR.

AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO, YOU KNOW, -- I THINK THE THEORY IS TO PUT DEMOCRATS IN THE SPOT, GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO TOUT WHEN THEY GO ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT POLLS, NATIONALLY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PRETTY GOOD POLLING NATIONALLY.

YOU SEE ON THE ISSUES THAT THESE DON'T RESONATE IN MANY CASES OUTSIDE OF THE CORE CONSTITUENCY.

AT SOME POINT, YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR AND RALLY UP THE BASE AND NOT MOVING BEYOND THAT AND NOT TRYING TO GOVERN FOR THE LARGER, YOU KNOW, ELECTORATE IN ARIZONA FOR THE CONSTITUENCY.

IT IS REFLECTIVE IN WHAT WE SAW, THE REPUBLICAN STATE-WIDE CANDIDATES IN THE 2022 2022 ELECTION WHERE THEY APPEAL TO THE BASE.

YOU WILL PIVOT AND COME BACK AND TEMPER THESE THINGS AND THEY DIDN'T AND DOUBLED DOWN.

WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS GOVERN IN THAT FASHION, AS WELL.

>> I THINK THEY BELIEVE THEIR SPONSORSHIP OF THE BILLS SHOWS THEY'RE LISTENING TO THE CONSTITUENTS.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S VETOED.

THIS WILL BE AMMUNITION AGAINST HOBS AND DEMOCRATS FOR TOO WOKE.

>> BEFORE WE MOVE ON, YOU MENTIONED SUPERINTENDENT HORN.

>> YEAH.

>> SO I KNOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SHAKING THEIR HELDS HEADS AND HE'S NOT.

>> HE'S SAYING IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THE CLASSROOMS, CALL US AND WE'LL CHECK IT OUT.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES?

LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND UNDER WHAT AUTHORITY CAN THE STATE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT GO INTO A DISTRICT CLASSROOM AND ONLY PUBLIC.

NONE OF THE VOUCHER FUNDED PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND WHAT AUTHORITY CAN HE INVESTIGATE AND YOU CAN PUBLICALLY SHAME.

>> WOULDN'T YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR A LOCALLY ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD?

AS A PARENT, HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT.

THE FIRST PLACE IS THE TEACHER AND IF I DON'T GET SATISFACTION IS THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE PRINCIPAL AND THEN THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE STEPS OR IS THIS JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE SOMEHOW WOKE AND INCAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING?

>> DON'T YOU REMEMBER TOM HORN'S CAMPAIGN SIGNS?

THEY SAID STOP CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT'S AT THE HEART OF THIS ALONG WITH THE CONTENT AND THESE BOOKS THAT SUPPOSEDLY WILL BE BANNED.

BECAUSE HIS OFFICE WOULD GET TO COMPILE A LIST OF BANNED BOOKS AND THE WAY I READ THE BILL, ONE PARENT CAN GET A BOOK PULLED OFF OF A BOOKSHELF FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> THE BIBLE WON BE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED INTO A LIBRARY OR A SCHOOL OR TO BE REFERRED TO IN ANY WEIGH.

WAY.

THESE BILLS ARE CRAZY AND YOU WONDER WHY WE HAVE A 25% VACANCY RATE AMONG TEACHERS.

THAT PARTICULAR BILL CALLS FOR PUTTING CLASS SPY FELONY AND A TEACHER COULD BE IMPRISONED UP TO TWO YEARS.

>> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE 16 VETOES THUS FAR FROM THE GOVERNOR WHICH, ACCORDING TO, I THINK, MY COLLEAGUE SAID IT'S ONE SHY OF SOMEHOW MANY JANET THAT THAT NAPOLITANO HAD AFTER ONE YEAR.

>> TOM HORN HAD A STATE FULL OF CONSTITUENTS AND YES, TOM HORN WON STATE-WIDE, BUT DOES HE ACTUALLY THINK -- THAT IS TRULY FEEDING RED MEAT TO THE BASE.

>> CERTAINLY, I THINK A LOT OF IT, THIS IS CAMPAIGN PROMISES AND THIS IS THE CAMPAIGN HE RAN ON AND DEFEATED KATHY HOFFMAN ON.

SO I THINK THAT IN THAT RESPECT, HE'S DOING WHAT HE TOLD VOTERS TO DO AND IF VOTERS DON'T LIKE IT, IN THREE YEARS, THEY CAN DECIDE THEY DON'T LIKE IT AND TELL HIM THAT.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN, ANY TEACHER WHO IS SMART WILL SAY, I'M JUST NOT GOING TO TEACH WERE ABOUT THIS, ABOUT SLAVERY, MARTIN LUTHERKING.

WE YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE DON'T HAVE RACE THEORY.

THAT'S GRADUATE LEVEL COLLEGE STUDENTS.

I THINK THAT THE KIDS IN THE LONG RUN WILL SUFFER AND TOM HORN TALKS ABOUT NEEDING IMPROVING ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AND HOW CAN YOU IMPROVE AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THIS ON AN AGE APPROPRIATE LEVEL?

>> I THINK WE'RE SEEING IT.

TEACHERS ARE WALKING AWAY IN ARIZONA ALL TOGETHER OR MOVING OUT OF STATE OR OTHER JOBS.

ANYONE WHO KNOWS A TEACHER IN HIGH SCHOOL OR JUNIOR HIGH HAS GRAPPLED WITH THIS AND I GUARANTEE IF YOU ASK THOSE TEACHERS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT DOING THEIR JOB WITH WHAT LAWMAKERS, WITH WHAT THEY'RE IMPOSED, CERTAINLY IN MY LIFE, YOU FIND THESE TEACHERS ARE FRUSTRATED AND BURNED OUT AND CONSIDERING WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THIS JOB ANYMORE.

>> THERE'S A SUSPICION ABOUT THEM ALL AND VIEWED SUSPICIOUSLY AND NOBODY TRUSTS THEM.

I WOULDN'T SAY NOBODY.

THE REPUBLICANS WHO CONTROL THE LEGISLATURE DON'T TRUST THEM.

IN THAT ERA -- I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE A LEGISLATURE TO LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW TO INCREASE TEST SCORES AND WHAT THE SCHOOLS NEED TO DO TO TEACH READING AND MATH.

>> SOME OF THE CRITICS PREDICT THAT BECAUSE ALL PRE- PREDICT IT'S SUBJECT TO PUBLIC RECORDS AND THAT IT WILL COLLAPSE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE UNDER ITS OWN WEIGHT AND NAMING FORTH THESE ALLEGATIONS AND IF THEY HAVE PROOF.

>> JIM, LET'S MOVE GOVERNOR VERSUS LEGISLATURE AND, THE NEXT NOMINEE TO RUN DCS AND WHY THIS IS THE SECOND NOMINEE?

>> WORKING AT DCS AND APPOINTED HIM AND SET TO BE THE FIRST BLACK LEADER OF THE STATE AGENCY.

THEY TOUTED HIM AS SOMEONE TO TRANSFORM THE WAY THE AGENCY DID BUSINESS.

BEFORE HE COULD GO THROUGH THE TRANSFORMATION HEARING IN THE STATE SENATE, THEY PULLED HIM.

THE HOBBS' ADMINISTRATION PULLED HIS NOMINATION BACK AND SAID AFTER TWO MONTHS, WELL, THANKS, WE'LL LET YOU GO AND HE'S BEEN VOCAL AND HIS DISPLEASURE AND THE FACT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO GO AND DEFEND HIMSELF IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE.

>> ANY REASON TO THINK DAVID LUHAN MIGHT HAVE AN EASIER PATH OR BECAUSE HE'S?

>> SO YEAH, HE MIGHT HAVE ONE SLIGHTLY LONGER, BUT REMEMBER, AS THE HEAD OF THE ARIZONA CHILDREN'S ACTION ALLIANCE AND SENATE FOR ECONOMIC PROSPERITY, THEY BROUGHT PROP 208 TO THE BALLOT AND THAT'S THE BIG TAX INCREASE THAT GOT KNOCKED DOWN BY THE COURTS AND HAS LEAD TO US HAVING A FLAT TAX IN ARIZONA.

WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH CHILD WELFARE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, EXCEPT, MAYBE, RESOURCES.

BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE HANGING OVER LUHAN QUITE A BIT.

>> ONE WOULD THINK -- >> I THINK ANYONE OF KATIE HOBBS' NOMINATION WILL RUN THROUGH A GAUNTLET AND DOESN'T SEEM IT'S PREPARING TO PEOPLE FOR HOW ROUGH IT WILL GET.

WE'VE SEEN IT.

TO MY RECOLLECTION, WE'VE HAD THREE BAD EXPERIENCES.

THE DH DIRECTION WAS WITHDRAWN, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION WAS HAILED BACK BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AFTER HOURS OF HEARINGS AND THE THIRD ONE WAS, OF COURSE, DCS.

>> JIM, WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS GAUNTLET AND THAT IS BRINGING IN THIS NEW SITUATION WHERE A NEW DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE AND IS THIS A FAILURE OF THE HOBBS' ADMINISTRATION TO PREPARE OR EXTRA AGGRESSIVE ON THIS COMMITTEE?

>> I THINK BOTH CAN BE TRUE.

WE HAVE A NEW PANEL THAT EXISTS SOLELY TO QUESTION AND VET THESE NOMINEES.

AND THEY HAVE DEFINITELY TAKEN A VERY AGGRESSIVE POSTURE.

IT'S LEAD BY SENATOR JAY HOFFMAN, WHO IS A FIERCE CRITIC OF KATIE HOBBS AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS.

THEY'VE DEFINITELY SET OUT TO REALLY PUT ALL OF THESE FOLKS THROUGH THE RINGER.

AND I THINK ONLY ONE OR TWO HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH SO FAR.

JUST A HANDFUL HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH SO FAR.

AND EVEN SOME LIKE THE DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION DIRECTOR, SHE'S SOMEONE WHO IS A VETERAN OF THAT AGENCY AND WHO HAS WORKED THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THE NUMBER TWO OR THREE IN THE DUECY ADMINISTRATION AND NOT A POLITICAL APPOINTEE.

I THINK THE HOBBS' ADMINISTRATION PICKED HER BECAUSE SHE WAS A STEADY HAND TO KEEP THAT GOING IN THE DIRECTION IT WAS.

AND THEY STILL MANAGED TO, YOU KNOW, IF NOT TOTALLY DERAIL FOR THE TIME-BEING PUT THAT ON ICE.

>> THE ONLY HOBBS' NOMINEE THAT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED HAS BEEN JENNIFER TOPPETT, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

THE COMMITTEE APPROVED ANGIE ROGERS FOR SECURITY, BUT SHE HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD FOR A CONFIRMATION VOTE.

>> YOU GET THE FEELING THAT JAKE HOFFMAN HAS A VOTE HE'S PUTTING IN NOTCHES.

IT'S PROPER FOR THE SENATE TO ADVISE AND CONSENT WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE USED, BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO DIG UP DIRT AND DO WHATEVER THEY CAN.

IN THE CASE OF DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES, SHE HAD A TERRIBLE HEARING BECAUSE SHE WASN'T PREPARED FOR IT.

BUT SHE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICE'S DIRECTOR.

>> HERE IS A NAIVE QUESTION TO CLOSE THIS SEGMENT, THEN.

IS THIS HELPING THE STATE TO HELP THIS PANEL?

>> NONE OF THIS IS HELPING THE STATE.

ALL THESE BILLS -- THEY PASSED A BILL, ONE OF JAKE HOFFMAN'S BILLS, THE BOOK BANNING BILL THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED WOULD BE VETOED.

SO IF IT'S VETOED, STOP THIS POLITICAL THEATER, STOP THIS AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS.

>> IT'S NOT HELPFUL ON THE DIRECTOR SEARCH BECAUSE HOW WILL YOU HELP FROM OUT OF THE STATE?

DO YOU WANT TO COME TO ARIZONA, MOVE HERE AND TAKE THE CHANCE THAT YOU MIGHT GET THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE AND IF YOU DO, YOU'LL BE HUMILIATED IN THE PROCESS.

I ASSUME IT'S DAMPENING AND WITH RESPECT TO DAVID, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE SEE HIM HAVING BEEN NOMINATED FOR DCS.

HE'S LOCAL.

>> JIM, LAURIE MENTION EDPOLITICAL THEATER AND THEY GO TO LIZ HARRIS AND DEMOCRATS MOVE TO CENSURE HER AND BACKGROUND AND WHY DEMOCRATS THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO.

>> A DAY-LONG JOINT ELECTION HEARING OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE COMMITTEES AND THEY SPENT SEVEN OR NINE HOURS DO THIS AND IT WAS A LITANY OF ELECTION CONSPIRACIES AND, YOU KNOW, ELECTION FRAUD CLAIMS, THE WHOLE DAY AND GOT TO THE FINAL PRESENTATION EXIT WAS AND IT WAS A WOMAN WHO SPUN THIS FANTASTIC TALE ABOUT THE DRUG CARTEL BUYING OFF ALL OF MESA'S GOVERNMENT, THE ENTIRE POLICE FORCE, COUNTY SUPERVISORS AND THAT WAS THE POINT WHOA, YOU WENT TOO FAR.

>> AND THE LDS.

>> AND THE LDS CHURCH, THE GOVERNOR AND EVERYBODY, ANYBODY THEY COULD THINK OF AND TIED TO ELECTION FRAUD.

AND SO, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT SET THE STAGE FOR THIS WEEK WHEN DEMOCRATS BOYCOTTED THIS HEARING.

THEY SHOWED UP AND TRIED TO MOVE TO CENSURE LIZ HARRIS, A FRESHMAN FROM CHANDLER AND SET THE AGENDA FOR THIS DAY.

AND THEY WANTED TO CENSURE HER FOR HAVING THIS HAPPEN AT THE LEGISLATURE AND GAVE ALL LAWMAKERS A BLACK EYE.

AND REPUBLICANS WEREN'T HAVING ANY OF IT AND QUICKLY DID PROCEDURAL MOVES TO GET DONE WITH THE DAY AND THEY WERE HOPING TO GET THE ETHIC'S COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED AND SEE IF AFTER THAT HAPPENED, IF A CENSURE WILL BE WARRANTED.

>> NOTHING WILL HAPPEN FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY.

LIZ HARRIS IS THE 31st AND DECIDING VOTE ON ANYTHING THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO DO AND EVIDENTLY, SPEAKER BEN TESTIMONY TOMA IS IN THE POCKET OF THE DRUG CARTEL CANNOT RISK -- I WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH A DEMOCRAT IF I LET HER GO.

>> YOU KNOW, YEAH, HE NEEDS ALL 31 REPUBLICANS, BUT TO WHAT END?

IF THEY PASS SOMETHING, NO WAY TO GET A BUDGET OUT OF THEM THAT KATIE HOBBS WOULD SIGN AND WHY NOT CUT TO THE CHASE AND REALIZE YOU'LL HAVE TO COMPROMISE WITH THE OTHER PARTY AND FIND PEOPLE WHO HAVE REASONABLE IDEAS?

>> JUST A FEW SECONDS LEFT MARY JO, MOUNT RUSHMORE, WHERE DOES THAT RANK?

>> RIGHT UP THERE.

>> THANKS, GUYS.

>> THIS IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M IN FOR TED SIMONS HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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