>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S A JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND LOOKING AT THE LEGISLATURE PASSING AND THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNING ON THE NEW STATE BUDGET.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

THIS IS FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE.

WE HAVE LAURIE ROBERTS AND HOWIE FISHER AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ.

PANEL, GOOD TO YOU HAVE AND A LOT OF STUFF TO GO OVER.

WE'LL START WITH THE BUDGET, LAURIE, BIG BIG DEAL?

THIS THING MOVED AWFUL FAST.

THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR WOULD BE $17.8 BILLION.

AND IT WAS UNVEILED ON MONDAY, STARTED PASSING ON TUESDAY AND BY WEDNESDAY IT WAS DONE, NO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND FRANKLY, NOT MUCH INPUT FROM DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS.

>> THAT'S THE KEY WHICH IS WHY IT DIDN'T GO FASTER WHICH IS THE GOVERNOR WASN'T NEGOTIATING WITH BEN TOMA AND SOME OF IT IS THEIR FAULT.

THE GOVERNOR WOULDN'T SELL US TOWN THEDOWN THE RIVER.

WE KNOW SHE WANTS TO GET RID OF UNIVERSAL VOUCHERS.

MAYBE SHE WOULD HOLD THE TAX BREAKS FOR THE LOW, INCOME WORKING POOR AND FEMININE HYGIENE PRODUCTS.

SHE WANTED TO SAY, LOOK, YOU DEMOCRATS, YOU HAVE TO COME ALONG.

>> Ted: SENATE PULLS AN ALL NIGHTER AND SIGNS ITA IT AND WE'LL MAKE A DEAL NEXT WEEK.

WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE RUSH?

>> VERY SMALL MEETINGS THAT ONLY A FEW PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED IN AND NOT LEGISLATIVE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE WE'RE STILL UPSET.

SO THE BUDGET MOVING FAST, IT WAS READY.

ALTHOUGH, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS WAS ALL IN THE SAME WEEK.

LAURIE SAID MONDAY AND SHE CAN'T MEAN THIS MONDAY.

>> Ted: TALK ABOUT THE EACH GETTING 20GETTING EACH 20 TO 30 MILLION.

>> THE DEMOCRATS SPLIT THE BABY.

>> Ted: EACH LAWMAKERS GETS A CERTAIN ALLOTMENT.

THAT WAS INTERESTING.

>> AND MIXED REVIEWS AND SOME SAYING WE SHOULD BE POOLING RESOURCES FOR THE I10 WHERE YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH $20 MILLION AND EVERYBODY HAS TO COLLABORATE AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING, NO, I LIKED IT AND GOT TO HAVE A SAY AND THIS TIME, EVERYBODY IN THE PARTY GOT A SAY.

>> WE STARTED OFF WITH $2.4 BILLION SURPLUS AND THAT WILL GO AWAY AND WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE ECONOMY AND SEE THE ECONOMY SLOWING.

RATHER THAN PUT INTO NEW PROGRAMS, THIS IS A ONE-TYPE ONE-TIME SPENDING.

I-10 ISN'T READY OR WIDENING I-17 OR ROUTE 24 TO HELP OUT THE POOR PEOPLE IN QUEEN CREEK.

IT'S THE OPRAH WINFREY OF BUDGET.

>> Ted: THEY DID EXPAND TO CASA GRANDe.

BUT THEY'RE STARTING DOWN THE ROAD, SO TO SPEAK.

WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THIS AGREEMENT BETWEEN REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP AND THE GOVERNOR?

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, SOMETHING -- THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT?

>> WE DON'T KNOW AND I THINK THE GOVERNOR WAS PROBABLY DESPERATE AS ANY GOVERNOR WOULD BE TO GET HER INITIATIVES IN THERE AND THE REPUBLICANS WERE, LIKE, NO WAY AND SHE ED THIS HAD TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY THINGS AND IT FIGURED INTO HER STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH IN JANUARY AND THAT WAS, SHE WANTED TO END THE UNIVERSAL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

NOBODY THOUGHT SHE WOULD BEEND THAT.

THAT'S THE REPUBLICAN'S BABY AND THAT WAS DOUG DUCEY'S CLAIM TO FAME AND NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT CERTAINLY DEMOCRATS EXPECTED AND PRO PUBLIC SCHOOL PEOPLE EXPECTED HER TO DO SOMETHING TO SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP AND AT LEAST PUT SOME SORT OF CAP ON THE PROGRAM.

THE GOVERNOR HERSELF SAID IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BANKRUPT THE STATE.

I WON'T SIGN ANY BUDGET UNLESS A SIZEABLE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS AGREE WITH IT AND REALLY AGREE WITH IT AS OPPOSED BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GUN TO THEIR HEADS AND I THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT AND SHE CAVED.

>> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 52,000 KIDS IN THIS UNIVERSAL PROGRAM AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW A NEED OR PROGRAM OR DISABILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

>> WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER HALF OF THAT AND THESE ARE KIDS WHERE THE PARENTS ARE PAYING AND WAIT, THIS $7,000 A CHILD OUT THERE AND IF YOU GOT 52,000, YOU COULD PUT A CAP ON IT.

THE DEMOCRATS SAID, THEY GET US UP TO 69,000 OR PAUSE IT WHILE FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT AND NO WAY AND THE GOVERNOR WAS UNWILLING TO PUSH FOR THAT.

>> Ted: DID THE GOVERNOR CAVE OR TAKE THE BEST DEAL AT THE BEST TIME SHE COULD?

>> I CAN'T THINK OF A SINGLE REPUBLICAN WHO COULD HAVE ALLOWED ANYTHING TOUCHING ESA'S.

IT'S THE BABY AND TOO SO LONG TO GET IT AND JUST PASSED YOURSELF EXPANSION LAST YEAR AND WOULD HAVE LOOKED WEAK AND WEIRD TO REVERSE ON IT THIS YEAR.

I DON'T THINK IT MATTER IF HOBBS ARGUE THEARGUED FOR ANOTHER THREE WEEKS.

YOU SEE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WHICH MAY COME TO NOTHING BUT AT LEAST IT'S IN THE PUBLIC EYE.

THE AEL FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND THAT WAS A WIN FOR DEMOCRATS.

AGAIN, IT'S A COMPROMISED WIN AND THEY WANTED MORE.

BUT YOU DO SEE MORE INTO UNIVERSITIES AND INTO PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> THE REPUBLICANS UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED THIS AND THIS IS A BUDGET BILL SPONSORED BY ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE, JAKE HOFFMAN.

AND TO THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR WENT ALONG WITH THE BILL AND JAKE HOFFMAN IS EXTATIC, I WOULD SAY THE REPUBLICANS WANT MORE THAN THE DEMOCRATS WANT.

THERE'S A REASON THAT YOU'RE A GOVERNOR AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY.

SHE HAS A VETO STAMP.

>> Ted: 150 OF THE HOUSING TRUST FUND AND 300 ONE TIME AND $300 MILLION BOOST FOR EDUCATION AND YOU HAVE INFLATION FUNDING INCREASES MORE THAN PLANNED FOR SCHOOLSA SUCH LIKES AND SUCH LIKE THAT.

IF YOU CAN GET THAT NOW OR FIGHT OVER SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL NEVER GET AND THAT COULD BE SWEPT OFF, IS PRAGMATISM REARING ITS AHEAD.

>> THEY WON'T HAVE A BIG SURPLUS NEXT YEAR OR FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS BALLOONING PROGRAM.

WHAT WILL PAY FOR IT NEXT YEAR?

THEY'RE PUTTING WHAT IS IT, 300 MILLION INTO THE PROGRAM THEY DIDN'T PLAN BECAUSE THEY ONLY EXPECTED IT TO COST 33 MILLION?

WHERE WILL THAT MONEY COME FROM?

THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND 1.1 MILLION PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

>> THE RAINY DAY IS FOR TRUE EMERGENCIES AND NOT BECAUSE WE FAILED TO PLAN BUT LAURIE IS RIGHT.

IF YOU KEEP ADDING KIDS, I MEAN, EVEN THE BUDGET COMMITTEE SAID THAT BY 2026, WE WILL ESSENTIALLY HIT 500 MILLION A YEAR JUST FOR THAT AND THEN IF YOU EXTRAPOLATE THAT OUT, AT SOME POINT, YOU GET CLOSE TO A BILL DOLLARSBILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

THEY CUT REVENUES AND A ONE TIME TAX CUT THIS YEAR AND, OH, EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT AND THAT'S A TRICKLE-DOWN THEORY.

IT GOES SO FAR.

IF YOU PUT A PERMANENT PROGRAM IN THERE AND HAVE IT THAT IT CANNOT BE ADJUSTED, YOU NEED TO SAY, WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?

>> Ted: FROM A DISTANCE, WE'LL DRIVE UP TO THAT CLIFF WHEN WE GET THERE.

>> WE'LL GO OFF THE CLIFF.

>> Ted: WE'LL REACH THAT PROBLEM OUT THERE AND RIGHT NOW, WE WANT TO KEEP THIS GOING AND FEELS LIKE IT WILL BANKRUPT US AND THEY'RE NOT BUYING THAT.

>> IT'S IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION KIND OF THING.

THEY WANTED SOMETHING TO BRING HOME AND YOU CAN'T JUST ASSUME THE MONEY WILL BE THERE.

I'VE BEEN COVERING THE LEGISLATURE SINCE '82 AND EVERY FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS, WE GET A RESESSION OR CLOSE TO A DEPRESSION.

THE REVENUES GO DOWN.

YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE CUT THREE BILLION DOLLARS OUT OF A NINE BILLION DOLLARS BUDGET BECAUSE THE ECONOMY TANKED?

GUESS WHAT?

WHAT'S WORSE IS, REMEMBER, THEY HAVE CUT TAX RATES.

YOU CAN DO THAT WITH A SIMPLE MAJORITY AND TAKES A TWO-THIRDS VOTE TO EITHER UNDUE THE TAX CULTSCUTS OR RAISE MORE MONEY.

FISCALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

>> Ted: DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE AND YET, THE THIRD RAIL AS FAR AS REPUBLICANS AND THIS BUDGET IS CONCERNED.

>> THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING BUT SHE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE POLITICAL STRENGTH AND NOT THE INTERNAL STRENGTH AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OR IF NOTHING ELSE, MADE A BIGGER DEAL.

ALL OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SUPPORTERS WHO KNOCKED ON, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DOORS, AND DIDN'T GET IN TROUBLE, THEY FEEL BETRAYED.

>> NOT ONLY THEM.

THERE WERE LAWMAKERS IN THE HOUSE ON THE NIGHT OF THE VOTE.

DEMOCRATS SAY WHY DID WE WASTE OUR TIME NOMINATING A DEMOCRATIC BUTCH WHEN WEBUDGET.

>> Ted: WE HAVE A LOT AND WE HAVE TO TAKE WHAT WE HAVE TO GET.

>> HE'S LEAVING FOR HARVARD AND DON'T LET THE DOOR IN THE TUSH ON THE WAY OUT.

THE FACT IS, THERE WERE FOLKS WHO SAY, IT DOESN'T GET BETTER AND HE WAS FORCED TO TAKE IT AND MITMITZIE EPSTEIN SAYING, I DON'T LIKE THAT WE WERE LEFT OUT.

>> IS THAT FAIR AND ACCORDING TO REPUBLICANS THEY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH AND THEY ASKED AND WENT TO HOBBS AND DEMOCRATS, YOU DIDN'T RESPOND AND WE'LL DEAL WITH HOBBS AND A BUDGET HAPPENED.

>> THEY SAID, OH, WE'LL WAIT AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE WITHOUT BLAME.

I'M SAYING THAT THE GOVERNOR SHOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN UPON HERSELF.

SHE SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO HER CAUCUS.

THEY HAVE 29 OF 60 HOUSE MEMBERS AND 14 OF 30 SENATORS AND SHE'LL NEED THEIR VOTESA BASICALLY SHAFTED THEM.

>> Ted: GOVERNOR TONE DEAF TO CAUCUS OR CAUCUS TONE DEAF TO REALITY?

>> A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

THIS IS AMATEUR HOUR AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY IDEA.

I THINK THEY'RE CLUELESS IN SO MANY WAYS.

IN TERMS OF THE CAUCUS, GOVERNOR, NOW LET'S TALK BEFORE YOU SIGN ANYTHING.

>> THE WHOLE SESSION, IT'S NOT FELT LIKE HOBBS OR HER STAFF HAD MUCH OF A PRESENCE AT THE CAPITAL.

GO BACK TO THE TAMALE BILL, BUT BIG, BIG SUPPORT FROM BOTH SIDES, BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND SHE HAS A PROBLEM AND WHY WASN'T SHE COMMUNICATING AND WORKING WITH THEM BEFORE IT GOT TO HER.

THAT IS MY BIGGEST POINT, IS THAT THE GOVERNOR NEEDS TO -- AND SHE SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE SHE WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE -- SHE NEEDS TO HAVE FRIENDS DOWN IN THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

SHE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE WORKING WITH THEM.

SHE'S UP IN HER TOWER AND WHATEVER COMES TO HER, SHE'LL STAMP IT WITH THAT VETO -- >> WHICH FORCED HER ON THE NIGHT OF THE COMPROMISE TO BEG, PLEAD, CAJOLE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN UNTIL 9:00 A.M. ON THE NIGHT OF THE BUDGET.

>> WHILE SHE'S BEGGING AND PLEADING, IT'S THE SENATE PRESIDENT TELLING DEMOCRATS IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THIS BUDGET, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT YOUR PRIORITIES, WHICH WAS $424 MILLION INCLUDING THE MONEY MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ET CETERA.

SO THEY WERE WORKING IN TANDEM.

A REPUBLICAN SENATE AND A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR WERE WORKING TO BACK THE DEMOCRATS INTO A CORNER.

>> Ted: THUS THE AGREEMENT.

>> SHE COULD SAY SHE WAS PLEASED THAT THERE WAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR HER BUDGET.

>> Ted: LAST WORD ON THIS.

>> I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS WHOLE THING GO DOWN FOR SO LONG.

THERE'S A QUESTION OF, WERE HOBBS' PEOPLE AT THE CAPITOL WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN?

A LEGISLATIVE LIAISON SITUATION AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND DEMOCRATS ARE UPSET, CALLING HOME RUN THE REAL GOVERNOR IN THIS SITUATION.

THAT IS NOT MEANT AS A COMPLIMENT.

ALSO, IS IT HOBBS' FAULT FOR NOT COMING DOWN AND HOLDING THEIR HAND OR THEIR FAULT FOR NOT TELLING HER WHAT THEY WANTED AND EXPECTING HER TO CALM DOWN AND HOLD THEIR HAND?

>> Ted: AND SIGNING IT WITHOUT ANY BIG TO DO.

>> THE REASON IS BY MONDAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO GO AND TALK TO HER TODAY ABOUT WHY DO YOU SIGN THIS OR AGREE TO THAT?

BY MONDAY, IT'S OLD NEWS AND, OF COURSE, THE REPUBLICANS ARE HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE TO GO ABOUT THEIR TAX CUT, WHICH IS FLAWED IN ANOTHER WAY AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> Ted: WE COULD, BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOU AND WHAT HAPPENED UP IN FLAGSTAFF.

THE JUDGE DISMISSED THAT RESTRAINING ORDER AGAINST YOU.

GIVES US THE WHOLE PICTURE AND DESCRIBE THE SCENE.

WHAT HAPPENED.

>> SO AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, I GOT THIS AFTER I WAS INVESTIGATING A STORY INTO HER RESIDENCES AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE SHE LIVES IN.

WE STARTED -- WE AGREED WE WOULD FIGHT THE INJUNCTION FROM DAY ONE AND WE GOT AN ATTORNEY AND AN ATTORNEY CAME OUT, REQUESTED A HEARING.

WE WENT TO COURT AND THE JUDGE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, I HADN'T HARASSED HER.

I AM TOTAL FREE TO DO WHAT I LIKE, INCLUDING PURSUE THE STORY MORE IF I WANT TO AND I'M HAPPY, ACTUALLY.

>> WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TWO WEEKS AGO WHEN THE THREE OF US WERE ON HERE, IS THE QUESTION OF HARASSMENT CONSTITUTES BOTHERING SOMEBODY FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON.

AND WHAT THE JUDGE CONCLUDED IS A REPORTER'S JOB IS TO GO OUT, FIND, TALK TO LAWMAKERS, POLITICIANS, WHERE THEY ARE, INCLUDING AT HOME.

IF THE QUESTION OF THE RESIDENCY IS A PART OF IT.

THE JUDGE SAW THAT THIS WAS NOT SOME IDLE PERSON HANGING OUT IN FRONT OF WENDY'S TEMPE HOME.

>> Ted: THE JUDGE SPECIFICALLY SAID A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD LOOK AT THIS AND NOT SEE HARASSMENT.

>> THAT WAS "OUCH."

WENDY ROGERS, YOU MAY THINK THIS IS HARASSMENT, BUT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD NOT SAY THAT.

>> I GUESS THIS IS UP TO INTERPRETATION.

I THOUGHT THAT HIS BEST LINE, OF COURSE, WAS TO HER INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING IS A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE.

IT JUST IS.

AND THAT'S ALL THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID.

WHAT NOW NEEDS TO BE SAID IS, ONE IS, WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THE COURTS THAT THEY'RE DEFAULT POSITION IS WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO COMPLAIN, YOU GIVE THEM AN INJUNCTION AGAINST HARASSMENT AND SLAP THAT ON SOMEONE ELSE WITHOUT THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY?

I UNDERSTAND WHY IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR VIOLENCE.

YOU HAVE TO ACT IMMEDIATELY AND I RESPECT THAT AND I'M GLAD THEY DO IT.

BUT SURELY OUR JUDGES ARE SOMETHING MORE THAN ROBOTS IN BLACK ROBES AND SHOULD ABLE TO HAVE DISCRETION.

YOU HAD WENDY ROGERS GOING TO THE PRO-TEM JUDGE, A POLITICIAN AND UPSET A REPORTER IS KNOCKING ON MY DOOR AND IS THERE ANY PROOF OF HARASSMENT OR EVIDENCE THAT SHOWED THAT SHE WAS IN DANGER.

ALL SHE HAD WAS TWO DOORBELL PICTURES OF CAMRYM KNOCKING ON HER DOOR AND SHE GOT AN INJUNCTION.

>> NEAR IN DANGER,THEY'RE IN DANGER, A JUDGE GRANTS IT AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NECESSARILY SHOULD CHANGE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT IS DESIGNED FOR VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE.

AND THEN THE PROCESS IS THAT IF SOMEONE HAS A PROBLEM, THE PERSON SLAPPED WITH THE INJUNCTION, MY CASE, THEY SHOULD TAKE IT TO COURT, MAKE THEIR CASE AND I DID.

>> AT THE INITIAL HEARING, NONE OF US GOT TO GO TO BECAUSE IT WAS WENDY AND THE JUDGE, WENDY NEVER SAID I'M AFRAID, FEAR FOR MY LIFE.

THAT CAME OUT IN A PRESS RELEASE LATER.

THERE WAS NO LEGITIMATE BASIS.

>> Ted: THE JUDGE NOTED THE ORDER REQUEST DID NOT USE AFRAID OR INTIMIDATE ADAM AND WENDY SAID, I DON'T INTIMIDATE EASILY.

>> THAT'S THE POINT, IF USING LAURIE'S EXAMPLE, A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, HE IS HANGING OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL, WE KNOW HE HAS FIREARMS AND I DON'T SEE YOU WITH A CONCEALED WEAPON THERE, AT LEAST FOR THE MOMENT.

AND SERIOUSLY, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME BASIS.

THE PRO-TEM JUDGE HAS TO BASIS, EVEN IF YOU TOOK EVERYTHING SHE SAID AT FACE VALUE, NOTHING SHE SAID AT FACE VALUE.

>> Ted: THAT LINE, "I DON'T INTIMIDATE EASILY" AND WHAT IS THIS ABOUT?

>> WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND FEELS REPORTERS ASKING HER QUESTIONS, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FEELS THAT'S SOME FORM OF HARASSMENT.

THERE'S NO EXPLAINS FOR EXPLANATION FOR SOMEONE KNOCKING ON MY DOOR.

AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND POLITICIAN, DON'T YOU KNOCK ON DOORS?

OH, YES, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOORS.

SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU KNOCKS ON A DOOR AND CAMRYN KNOCKING ON A DOOR.

YOU GETTING ELECTED AND HER TRYING TO GET THE TRUTH.

WHAT IS THE TRUTH?

AS TO WHERE SHE LIVES.

[ Laughter ] >> I'M NOT DONE YET.

BUT NOW THAT I'M FREE, I DON'T THINK I'LL STOP.

I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO WITH MORE ABOUT THIS AND I SHOULDN'T SAY TOO MUCH MORE ABOUT THAT.

BUT THAT QUESTION HADN'T BEEN ANSWERED.

WE WEREN'T DONE WITH MY STORY WHEN WE HAD TO RESPOND TO THE INJUNCTION THAT DAY.

WE WROTE WHAT WE HAD AT THE TIME.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY BECAUSE ASS KNOW, COURTS HAVE SAID RESIDENCY IS A STATE OF MIND.

WE'VE HAD LAWMAKERS ELECTED THAT PUT A MATTRESS IN A WEST VALLEY DISTRICT AND YOU SAY YOU'RE LIVING THERE AND THAT'S GREAT.

THE ONE THANK THAT MAY WORK IN HER FAVOR IS, I DID CHECK WITH THE COUNTY RECORDS, AS I'M SURE YOU DID.

IF SHE HAD DECLARED THE TEMPE HOME TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED, THEN YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING.

SHE HASN'T DONE THAT WITH THE TEMPE HOME AND SO THE QUESTION OF, WHERE DOES SHE LIVE?

WE HAVE LAWMAKERS IN WASHINGTON SO MANY DAYS A YEAR AND APARTMENTS AND BUY HOMES IN WASHINGTONA KEEP A RENTAL OR A BEDROOM HERE.

SO ARE THEY RESIDENTS OF ARIZONA OR WASHINGTON?

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION AND THE ORDER SHE WANTED YOU TO, QUOTE, LEARN YOUR LESSON.

HAVE YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON?

>> NO.

>> Ted: LET'S START WITH YOU LAURIE, ANOTHER COURT CASE INVOLVING KARI LAKE AND BOMBSHELLS TODAY.

WHAT KIND OF BOMBSHELLS?

>> SEEM TO BE IN COURT THIS MORNING AND HER ATTORNEYS LAID ATEIT OUT AND POURING THROUGH LOGS FROM THE TABULATOR MACHINES IN THE SIX MONTHS SINCE THE ELECTION AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE LOGIC AND ACCURACY TESTS BY LAW MUST BE PERFORMED WAS NOT PERFORMED, WHICH IS CURIOUS BECAUSE EVEN REPUBLICAN PARTY OBSERVER WHO WERE THERE FOR THE THING SIGNED OFF ON THE FACT IT WAS.

BUT FURTHER, THEY SAY THAT THEY SECRETLY TESTED THE MACHINES AND FOUND OUT THAT 260 OF THE 446 TABULATORS WERE NOT READING BALLOTS AND THEY KNEW THAT AND PUT THEM OUT ON ELECTION DAY AND THAT'S WHY KARI LAKE LOST.

BOMBSHELL.

>> IT'S A NOTHING BURGER AND TWO REASONS.

NUMBER ONE, THEY PRESENTED THE EVIDENCE THEY HAD IN DECEMBER AND THE JUDGE THREW IT OUT AND SUPREME COURT SAID, YOU HAVEN'T MADE YOUR CASE AND HARD TO REOPEN SOMETHING SAYING WE HAVE TO EVIDENCE.

YOU DO KNOW KATI HOBBS IS IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

NUMBER TWO, YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN INTENTIONALITY AND THE CAUSE OTHER THAN YOUR EXPERT SAYING IT COULD HAVE BEEN MALWARE AND INTENTIONALITY.

ANYBODY'S WHO'S BALLOT DID NOT FEED, A SEPARATE LOCK BOX AND SHOW WHATEVER HAPPENED AFFECTED THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION.

I DON'T SEE ANY OF THAT.

>> AND LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT THE COUNTY'S SIDE OF THE WHOLE THING WAS, SAYING WE DID TEST THE MACHINES ON OCTOBER 11th OCTOBER 11th AND THE FOLLOWING WEEK, WE DID IS LIVESTREAM AS WE TOOK SOME OF THAT ALREADY CERTIFIED PROGRAMMING AND PUT THEM ONTO MEMORY STICKS FOR THE MACHINES AND DID TESTING OF THE MACHINES.

IF YOU BUTT PUTT PUT A BALLOT IN, IT WILL SHOW AN ERROR RATE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE READ.

IT WASN'T SECRET TESTING BECAUSE IT WAS LIVESTREAMED AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

AS A BOMB, IT SORT OF WENT, DUH.

>> Ted: WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH EARLY BALLOT SIGNATURES?

>> THE JUDGE, WHEN HE FIRST HEARD THAT, SAID YOU SHOULD HAVE RAISED THAT STATE LAW IS ILLEGAL AND YOU SHOULD HAVE RAISE ED THIS BEFORE AND THREW IT OUT.

SUPREME COURT SAID, THE ISSUE WAS, WERE THEY FOLLOWING THEIR OWN PROCEDURES?

THAT'S WHAT THE TRIAL NEXT WEEK WILL BE ABOUT.

NOW SHE HAS A MOTION TO SET ASIDE THE OTHER JUDGMENT AND DO THAT, BUT EVEN IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES OF THE BALLOTS AND WHETHER THEY WERE MISCOUNTED, AGAIN, SAME SORT OF THING.

A LOT OF INNUENDO AND MATH SAYING IF YOU TAKE THIS ERROR RATIO AND DIVIDE IT BY THE PHASE OF THE MOON ON MAY 2nd, COME UP WITH THIS MANY MISSING BALLOTS.

>> Ted: WHEN HER ATTORNEY OR SOMEONE ON SOMEONE, SOME WAY ON THE KARI LAKE CAMP, THE SAB SABOTAGE WAS WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT, HOW FAR DO WE GO?

>> I HAVE TO AGREE, LIKE, THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE LAST LEGS OF THE CASE.

WHEN WAS OUR TIME WE WEREN'T TAKING ABOUT THIS AND REHASHED IT SO MANY TIMES AND NOT SO MUCH INFORMATION?

THE INTENT PART.

IT'S IMPORTANT HERE.

THE WORD "SABOTAGE" THIS WAS A SCHEME, IF THAT'S YOUR ARGUMENT, YOU HAVE TO PROVE PEOPLE ARE DOING IT ON PURPOSE.

>> AND YOU HAVE TO PROVE AS A RESULT, 17,118 VOTES WERE ILLEGALLY CAST FOR KATI HOBBS.

>> Ted: WE'LL STOP RIGHT THERE AND STARTING TO GIVE ME A HEADACHE.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

YOU DIDN'T LEARN YOUR LESSON?

>> NO, NOT REALLY.

>> Ted: THANKS FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.