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Good evening and welcome to Arizona horizon and it's time.

Join us is howie Fisher, Bob Christie and Rachel Leingang and good to have you with us and the Wendy Rogers' affair and what's going on here?

>> She can't help it.

She got censured to some groups she had spoken to, suggesting maybe we hang a few people who didn't believe in Donald Trump, cozied up to neo-Nazi groups and the senate pretty much said, you know, this isn't conduct becoming of a senator.

EndsEnd of problem.

Then we had the shooting in buffalo, white supremacits and no question, he has a 900 page Manifesto replacing us and her tweet was that fed boy summer which is code for meaning this was a false flag operation and a federal operative and a grand plan to take away all of our rights.

ToutThe republicans said, well, wait, maybe we need an ethic's investigation.

>> This was happening >> Ted: The Democrats wants an expulsion.

>> So the senate, like howie said, the Democrats tipped their hand and gave a heads up to the senate president and scrambled to came up with the ethic's investigation and die a glorious death and haven't set a date for it and this was Monday and Rebecca Rios decided, you node, know, still waiting for the ethic's investigation and to not a people from the republicans.

>> The problem becomes, look, we can talk about Wendy Rogers and one of her seat mates and they blasted her on the floor and the question is, where does the ability of doing outside of the legislature, not like she stood up on the senate floor and are people entitled to believe that there's a false flag operation?

Probably.

The sun rises in the west and probably and is it an offense that makes you unbecoming of a senator and that's where it is tricky?

>> Ted: Or unappropriate for an official of this body?

>> This is what is to investigate and she said it, right?

It's clear what meets, what do you need to investigate and she said it was taken out of context and what context could there be?

>> It would seem that the other argument is due process and make sure, but as you said, it's right there in black and white.

>> Not something where there are allegations that, you know, people come in and testify.

She said it and didn't dispute she said it and for one said boy summer is not well understood the ones who are dog are dog whistled too.

This is an investigation because they didn't want to expel her.

>> A couple senators stood up and said, Kelly townsend running against Miss Rogers in the primary because they're redistricting said on the floor, you know what, she has a first amendment right to say these things and we can't decide to throw somebody out for a first amendment violation and, you know, the first amendment is there and I believe the quote was is not there to protect against the nice speech but ugly speech, and, of course be, it doesn't apply to private speech and, still, it there has to be a way to deal with Miss Rogers and do something short of expelling her.

>> Bob yo,by, you've covered this, if they launch investigations every time a lawmaker says something truly stupid -- >> Ted: There's truly stupid and a motivated mass murder in which you believe the gunman is a federal agent work on behalf of the Federal Government.

>> But that's, again, the question becomes is she entitled to believe that?

>> Ted: And entitled to suffer the consequences.

>> The consequences will be on August 2nd when the primary comes around, if her constituents in the legislative district return her to senate.

>> Ted: And they will, she's in a safe district.

>> She has a lot of money and this is an electoral plan for her and the further out she goes, the more attention she gets and she's a minor senator in the state legislature and she built this, like, profile built on these remarks this is all intentional and she will bring in more money because of it and all part of these ploys as far right as possible.

>> ThisAs bobby pointed out, she is redistricted into the same district.

>> He annoys Wendy Rogers and he's down to 15 and won't do anything.

He's basically a chicken on this.

>> Ted: Another ethic's investigation at the senate and this time TJ sho pe wants Mendez.

>> We don't want to expose our infant child to Covid and it's too dangerous and month chambers said no, you have to be here in-person.

In the senate they allowed Mr. Mendez to vote from his office and that was too much of a risk because he will have to make public at least to get to the office and he has not been there the entire legislative session and he's a minority Democrat, right, and his vote is not critical.

If he was Republican, it was a huge deal and pressured him to redesign to replace him.

So TJ Shope -- coincidently, it happened on the same day the request by the Democrats to throw out Wendy Rogers was brought up and TJ says there's nothing to see here and no quid pro quo.

But it's clear that he's doing it -- he was prompted because of the ethic's complaint.

>> It was the override of the expenditure limit.

>> A law that talks about abandonment of office and excused abundances and it was from the senate president and two other issues, and Shope is saying, you're supposed to be on the floor and supposed to be there for votes and he has an excuse and plus the fact that there is no good press on this and we had a state treasure named Tony west and spent his entire time selling real estate as a state treasurer.

We asked a lot of questions, well, at one point is he abandoning the office and he gets to decide.

>> Ted: At what point are you abandoning the office?

You have Covid and you want to be careful and there are other mitigating efforts to wear a mask and if you're not there, the vast majority of the time, is there not an argument you aren't there a vast majority of the time?

>> I think if this was the 16th vote, they would have acouldn't datedaccommodated them with telework.

I mean, there is an argument there to be made, but I think they're not accommodating them because they don't have to.

>> Ted: This came up the same day as Wendy Roger's affair and just a way to defer and make sense to you?

>> I do think it's a good question to try to figure out and I don't think this is the only time this will come up that somebody isn't showing up and I think in terms of collecting a salary and per diem, and those are questions worth exploring, but if this a republican, this would have been a different scenario.

>> TJ said the per diem is a major issue.

He's collected five or $6,000.

In this new per diem, should he be collected that or saying I'm not driving to the capitol, should I be taking this money?

Well, there's a good argument to be made he shouldn't and state law says independent 90 days and they want to come up with not necessarily -- throw him out or do anything to Mr. Mendez but a law change so in the future, they can deal with this.

>> Ted: We had a lawmaker storming out of the capitol with an accomplice in tow and just a bunch of yelling and screaming and what's going on?

>> He would say I didn't storm out.

I checked in and they knew I wouldn't be there and he left because of the fact they weren't voting on the voting bills.

This is Jake Hoffman, a republican, one of the more conservative republicans and believers in the spare conspiracy theories and convinced there need to be major conditions in changes in the law.

House speaker rusty Bauers is making sense, that do not end affairs with a right to vote and the speaker put a key kibosh to do in-person demonstration, registration and paper ballots.

Hoffman is convinced there's a mass conspiracy of Democrats and quote, unquote moderate republicans and won't participate and annoyed they were voting on Boyer bills in the house.

Boyer has not voted for some of Hoffman's bills and so, for awhile, the speaker said, he asked the DPS officer who is security to check the building.

There was talk about, perhaps, sending DPS out and there is a legal procedure, a call of the house and the speaker can send DPS to round up lawmakers in a few years and decided, that's not a brilliant idea.

>> Ted: Mr. Hoffman went on a radio show and what's happening at the capitol and some of the lawmakers at the capitol said what he's saying isn't true.

>> They're mutually calling each other liars in public.

I think that really speaks to where rusty Bauers positioned himself on the election conspiracy theories, right?

His caucus is not following him and Karen Fann is not following her and they're supposed to work together in a functional workplace.

It's concerning and you think they are referring to him, like, sheriff of knottingham and petty arguments.

>> Ted: The idea that speaker Bauers spent armed DPS agents to find him and that wasn't true.

>> That wasn't true and never true and it didn't really matter to Mr. Hoffman, he was a right-winged radio talk show and letting it all out and the truth sometimes falls by the weighside.

the wayside.

>> Ted: They called him a liar.

>> Three or four people calling them liars here and it's just -- they're all in the same party, right.

They should be working together to put together a budget.

>> You haven't seen the republican party.

>> Ted: That's a good point, howie and getting things done?

>> You have people insisting unless they get out certain election bills, they will not vote for the budget and go for the budget and you don't have an end-of-session on June 30th June 30th and it's a question of what if there's no state budget and nothing like the feds, a continuing resolution.

And we are headed for a potential train wreck because you have folks insisting that I will not support the budget unless I get these bills.

>> Ted: You have a potential train wreck and you could have a bipartisan budget.

>> I've been thinking to myself for a couple of months that's the only way here, and so we have a strong -- Mr. Hoffman among them -- a $5 billion budget surplus and revenue that they collected 400 and 5.7 billion surplus and we're talking almost 50%.

Now, the governor wants a billion dollars for this and people want the school spending prop 208 and section of republicans should want to throw a billion dollars in the schools.

And then Mr. Hoffman in the senate saying no, no, we want a smaller budget and we don't wap want a $13 budget and that leaves you working with Democrats and the only see the way out of this, maybe.

>> Ted: Howie is that a small M or capital M?

>> Capital M, maybe, because of the fact and I think that the Democrats who can be bought for the right things and some maybe education money and whether they pursue an expansion of vouchers and to what extent and people like senator Bowie who were appreciate expanded vouchers and a small one for certain groups and low income people and you may get folks there.

I think there is a package to be had because I don't see the Jake HoffmansHoffmans going along with this.

Look, do you want a republican budget because if you don't like this budget, wait until I have to deal with that.

>> Ted: You mentioned education and vouchers and these sorts of things and that's Boyer's plan.

It's prop 208 and people want that education, that funding for education to get there and he has a plan to get that there and you have to get people on board and will they get on board?

Will Democrats get on board if it means expanding vouchers in certain ways in this give and take?

>> It depends on what it looks like.

This is where Democrats have meaningful leverage and they use that which is an open question, then they could be a part of brokingbrokering a purple budget with our elect elect electorate and all of the people that are waiting on something and so, I don't know, they could, we'll see.

>> Somebody will have to compromise.

To get a republican budget out, and all 31 republicans all 16 republicans in the senate have a veto and they have got to figure out -- I don't know if they throw them in a room and say, listen, we have to do this or the speaker has to and go to the Democrats.

>> Ted: Bob, how can you be an election integrity leader and stop the steal, if the election was rigged and fight this tooth and nail and come back and say, OK, for the budget, I won't push this?

>> They have pushed changes to election law and trumpeted it?

>> They passed a bill this week that requires the county courts to send up felony convictions and to automatically say -- >> Ted: So some things have gotten done.

>> You'll notice it way more if the government shuts down than the small contingency of people compared to schools and is it much smaller.

>> You're talking about who will the public blame and the whole Newt Gingrich thing.

They'll blame the Democrat president and I don't know who gets the blame if the government shuts down.

>> Ted: We had a senate vote to ban school vaccine requirements and is there a ban in place right now, a requirement for schools?

>> Not that I've heard of, but a ban on potential.

>> Ted: The senate voted for same-day registration.

>> No.

>> Ted: So a couple of things that don't exist.

>> We love a state-wide ban of things that don't exist and this is all kind of Boggieman issues more than anything realistic.

>> How could you think.

>> Ted: Yay or nay?

>> Before mentioning Mr. Hoffman, who is pushing this bill was asked, wait a second, there is to same-day voter registration and there hasn'thasn't been a problem and we need to get ahead of it, but he says, this was put into law and as pointed out, if we get into control, we can overrule your law so you don't accomplish anything.

>> Fontez didn't right to register people and he at one point, during the middle of the pandemic proposed mailing everybody a pandemic and it was shot down and nothing to do with same-day registration and you need 30 days before the election under Arizona law now.

>> Ted: We have to reinforce what the law says.

>> Correct.

>> Reenforcement is important.

>> Called our department of redundancy department.

>> Ted: Howie, the governor's race and the roundtable participant had a sit-down with Kari lake and these don't go well, howie.

>> It's combative by nature and Kari lake's main thrust for governor is blame the media.

So no matter -- and bless her heart, Stacie, mild mannered, sat there and listened to being lecturinged to said I want you to explain your border policy and you can read it.

Can't you read?

But can you tell people how this would work?

And this is the Kari lake, her version and these Donald Trump, Jr., of saying it's all the media's fault, no matter what is occurring and bad, it's the media and the fake news and the only way that we can resolve all of this is elect me to be governor.

>> Ted: This is a way out of primary governor, and this is a Godgood plan?

>> Who even cares what you're doing in those interviews?

People want to know what you're going to do in elected office.

It's a gimmick and doesn't going beyond that ceiling as a very mega candidate, you know, what is that ceiling and maybe, issue don't know a good chunk of people and is it enough to win?

I don't know.

>> It surprises me because in the last several media events she's held, she has not been combative didn't Icombative and I thought to myself, oh, maybe this is counterproductive and does this.

So maybe not.

>> Ted: Before we go, we have a few minutes left, "Washington Post" with wife of Clarence topic, pushing to reverse the vote in Arizona and making a couple of Emails and who wants to take this?

This is big stuff.

>> We knew that Ginny topic was trying to lobby folks in terms of the way around the January 6th certification.

What we found, she sent a letter to representative Shauna Bolic situation need to make sure our state and -- Ginny lives in Virginia, but never mind -- we need the alternate slate of electors.

The parallel and G irkinny Thomas raising ethical questions and Shauna bolic and the Thomass, Thomas' are Godparents to one of their children and things behind the scenes and Shauna introduced legislation to give the legislative power to override the public.

>> Bolic's response responding to a constituents constituent, but this is not just a constituent.

>> There's a long history with Thomas and reporting that Mr. Thomas is the Godfather of one of their children and so, you know, the point is, it shouldn't -- they were trying in the weeks after the election to come up with this cockamame seem, that they could change the law and Ginny Thomas who should know the law was pushing that and not only here in Arizona but elsewhere and it's just -- it's another -- she's bought into it.

>> Ted: According to the report, Bolic advised her how to file a formal complaint and got that far.

Shauna Bolic is run for state-wide office.

>> She responded the same way and how you file a complaints complaint and no evidence that G irkinny Thomas filed a complaint and how profile.

>> She's running for secretary of state and look at the three republicans, Shauna and her viewpoints and trying to let the legislature overturn the election, mark Finchham, stop the steal and heaven help us, the moderate in the race is Rochelle Rita.

>> Ted: And we will let our viewers think about that for the weekend.

Thank you, panel and good discussion.

And that is it for now and thank you so much for joining us and you have a great weekend!

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