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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING CALLS FOR THE SPEAKER OF THE U.S.

HOUSE TO ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE TO ARIZONA CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT ADELITA GRIJALVA.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

AND JOINING US TONIGHT, JEREMY DUDA FROM AXIOS PHOENIX.

HOWIE FISCHER FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES AND RON HANSEN OF "THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC" AND AZCENTRAL.COM.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

JEREMY, START WITH YOU, ADELITA GRIJALVA, SHE'S STILL A CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> LOOKS LIKE SHE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE FOR A WHILE ACCORDING TO HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON.

GRIJALVA WON HER SPECIAL LOCATION SEPTEMBER 23.

THREE PLUS WEEKS AT THIS POINT.

SHE'S STILL A REPRESENTATIVE-ELECT AND NOT SWORN IN, AND SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON SAYS WE'RE GOING TO WAIT AWHILE BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHUTDOWN GOING ON AND WE NEED TO BE IN FULL SESSION.

IT IS NOT A HARD AND FAST RULE THAT HAS TO BE FOLLOWED BUT A RULE THAT'S GOING TO BE FOLLOWED.

AND PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THERE ARE ULTERIOR MOTIVES HERE.

>> LIKE EVERY TIME MIKE JOHNSON GOES ON TV, YOU PEOPLE IN ARIZONA, YOU CALL YOUR TWO MEMBERS OF THE SENATE, AND TELL THEM AS SOON AS THEY PUT IT BACK ON, WE WILL GET MS.

GRIJALVA SWORN IN, AND SHE CAN HIRE HER STAFF AND HAVE KEYS TO THE OFFICE AND DO HER JOB.

UNTIL THEN, SORRY, FOLKS.

>> WHAT'S NOTABLE HERE, TED, WE'VE SEEN SPECIAL ELECTIONS IN ARIZONA FOR CONGRESS IN RECENT YEARS WHEN DEBBIE LESKO WON IN 2018.

I THINK SHE WAS SWORN IN WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

MARK KELLY WHO WON IN THE 2020 CYCLE WAS SWORN IN WITHIN THREE WEEKS.

WE ARE OUTSIDE THAT WITH NO DEFINITIVE GUIDANCE AS TO WHEN EXACTLY THIS WILL CHANGE.

TED: AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF PRESS GATHERINGS HERE, BUT MOST RECENTLY, A DAY OR TWO AGO, MARK KELLY, SENATOR KELLY, SENATOR GALLEGO, A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER DEMOCRATS SHOWED UP WITH ADELITA GRIJALVA TO GET THE SPEAKER TO ADMINISTER THE OATH.

THE VERBIAGE GETS A LITTLE RAW, DOESN'T IT?

>> IT HAS.

POSSIBLE ULTERIOR MOTIVE, IF YOU BELIEVE THE DEMOCRATS ARE PUSHING FOR THIS, YOU MIGHT THINK WITH REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL OF THE HOUSE, THE DEMOCRAT VOTE DOESN'T MATTER.

THIS MATTERS WITH RESULTS OF THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN FILE.

HE GOT A FEW REPUBLICANS TO GO ALONG WITH HIM TO FORCE A VOTE TO RELEASE THE FILES.

MOST REPUBLICANS ARE NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS, A FEW HALF, THE 218th VOTE, THAT 218th VOTE IS ADELITA GRIJALVA.

SHE'S PLEDGED TO DO THAT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS, HEARD A LOT OF TALK FROM DEMOCRATS, THE REAL REASON FOR THE DELAY IS TO DELAY TO PREVENT THAT VOTE FROM HAPPENING.

>> AND THAT GETS BACK TO THE POINT ABOUT THE LANGUAGE, RUBEN GALLEGO IS WANDERING AROUND THE CAPITOL LOOKING FOR CAMERAS TO SAY HE'S PROTECTING A PEDOPHILE, HE'S PROTECTING A PEDOPHILE!

AGAIN, IT'S ALL SHOW.

A LOT OF THIS IS PERFORMANCE AND BIG SURPRISE, LOOK WHATEVER WORKS, WHATEVER GETS YOU, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS ON TV, 60 SECONDS ON CNN.

TED: THE WOMAN REPRESENTS PARTS OF ARIZONA, SHE HASN'T BEEN SWORN IN, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN A TV SHOW.

>> ON BOTH SIDES THIS IS PERFORMANCE, PERFORMANCE BY HER, MARCHING ACROSS THE COURTYARD IN THE CAPITOL, STORMING THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE, RUBEN OBVIOUSLY WITH HIS COMMENTS ABOUT PROTECTING PEDOPHILES, BUT EVEN SPEAKER JOHNSON PURPOSELY SETS IT UP, HE CONFRONTS KELLY AND GALLEGO AND SEEKS A LITTLE TELEVISION ON THAT AS SAYING, LOOK, JUST DO YOUR JOB, PUT THE HOUSE BACK IN BUSINESS, TELL YOUR HOUSE MEMBERS TO DO IT.

TED: AND HE MAKES A POINT.

HE BASICALLY SAYS SHE HASN'T MISSED VOTES BECAUSE THERE HAVEN'T BEEN VOTES TAKEN.

WE NEED TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, ONCE WE KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, WE'LL GET HER IN.

>> THERE IS LESS VALIDITY, IN TERMS OF ABILITY TO STAFF, RESPOND TO CONSTITUENT CALLS, THE ABILITY TO ADVOCATE FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THAT DISTRICT, BY ANYONE WITH SOME STANDING.

IN OTHER WORDS, MORE THAN JUST A CITIZEN.

AND THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS, WHETHER THEY CAN ON BOARD NEW STAFF, IN THE MIDST OF A SHUTDOWN IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS A QUESTION IN MY MIND, CAN THEY EVEN CARRY OUT DUTIES OF A NORMAL MEMBER OF CONGRESS UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES?

REMEMBER ALL OF THIS IS IN THE CONTEXT OF A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN WHERE BOTH SIDES ARE TRULY TRYING TO GET THE UPPER HAND RHETORICALLY, BUT PREVENTS LOGISTICAL HURTLES.

TED: INDEED, JEREMY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF ARIZONA, DECIDED TO ENTER THE FRAY, THREATENING, I THINK IT'S A THREAT, IS IT A DONE DEAL, A LAWSUIT, A THREAT OR A DONE DEAL?

>> IMMINENT THREAT, PERHAPS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE COMING TODAY.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TELLS ME LIKELY MONDAY ACCORDING TO ATTORNEY GENERAL MAYES ON CNN, THE LITIGATION DRAFTED AS WE SPEAK.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS VOWED TO SUE SPEAKER JOHNSTON FILE A LAWSUIT TO FORCE HER SWEARING IN ON TUESDAY.

SHE SENT A LETTER AND SAID YOU HAVE TWO DAYS TO INFORM HER OF WHEN AND WHERE THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

TODAY IS DAY THREE.

HASN'T HAPPENED YET, AND OBVIOUSLY SPEAKER JOHNSON IS NOT GOING TO BUDGE ON THIS.

HE'S ADAMANT, HE'S BEEN VERY FIRM.

I EXPECT TO SEE THAT LITIGATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CASE LAW WOULD BE, BUT SHOULD BE AN INTERESTING CASE.

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG.

YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHO HAS STANDING TO SUE?

MS.

GRIJALVA HAS STANDING TO SUE.

SHE IS DENIED BENEFIT OF HER OFFICE, BUT SHE'S NOT SUING.

DOES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE THE POWER TO SUE ON BEHALF OF THE 813,000 RESIDENTS OF HER DISTRICT?

AND EVEN ASSUMING SHE HAS STANDING, THE CONSTITUTION PRETTY MUCH LET'S EACH CHAMBER MAKE ITS OWN RULES, IF THE RULES OF THE CHAMBER SAY WE DO NOT SWEAR PEOPLE IN WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS AS RON POINTS OUT, EXCEPT WHEN WE'RE IN SESSION, IS A COURT GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TELL THE HOUSE YOU MUST DO IT THIS WAY?

AND I THINK THAT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE.

TED: THE FEW EXCEPTIONS, RON.

I THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MENTIONED BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY, SHE HASN'T FILED A SUIT YET, BUT TALKED ON THE PRESS AS WELL.

EVERYONE IS FINDING CAMERAS THESE DAYS, THIS IS NOT THE USUAL PRACTICE.

>> WITHIN THIS CONGRESS ALONE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE SAW TWO FLORIDA MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE SWORN IN THE DAY AFTER THEIR SPECIAL ELECTIONS WHICH HAD NOT BEEN CERTIFIED, AND THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY SWORN IN WHILE THE HOUSE WAS IN PRO FORMA SESSION.

WE SAW IN SEPTEMBER, A DEMOCRAT, JAMES WALKENSHAW FROM VIRGINIA SWORN IN AFTER HIS SPECIAL ELECTION.

WE HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER NOW WITH ADELITA GRIJALVA.

THERE'S ALSO TWO OTHER SPECIAL ELECTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO RUN THEIR COURSE BEFORE THIS YEAR IS OVER.

>> AND KRIS MAYES CITED IN HER LETTER TO THE SPEAKER, THE SUPREME COURT FROM THE LATE 60s, WHERE I BELIEVE THEY DID SAY SOMEONE HAD TO BE SWORN IN, THAT WAS A MATTER OF BEING IN SESSION AND WHETHER THEY COULD CONTINUE TO DELAY, TO REFUSE TO SWEAR IN WITHOUT BAD BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER THE SPECIFICS OF THE HOUSE RULES ARE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU CAN REFUSE TO SEAT THEM.

>> THIS HAS TO DO WITH TIMING, LET'S ASSUME SHE FILES SUIT TUESDAY, ASKS FOR DECLARATORY JUDGMENT, HAS TO GIVE THE HOUSE TIME TO RESPOND, 7 TO 14 DAYS FOR THAT.

GETS IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, EXPEDITED BASIS, THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.

JUDGE RULES FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW, AND WHOEVER LOSES FILES A CASE BEFORE THE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS, AND THAT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE, THEN IT GOES TO THE SUPREME COURT.

NOW, IT'S POSSIBLE WE MAY STILL BE IN HOUSE SHUTDOWN, BUT NONE OF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN FAST.

>> I WOULD JUST THROW OUT THERE THE WASHINGTON, D.C.

NATIVES, THAT ARGUMENTS IN COURT ABOUT TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.

THAT SOUNDS REALLY FANTASTIC TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT HAS NOT REALLY MOVED THE NEEDLES IN COURT ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS.

SO THE LEGAL ISSUES AND THE FRAMING OF IT AND SUCH ARE REALLY ON, AT LEAST, DUBIOUS GROUNDS FROM AFAR.

TED: ALL RIGHT, JEREMY, LET'S MOVE ON.

CONGRESSMAN HAMADEH APPARENTLY SAYS HE WAS ONE OF THREE CONGRESSMEN SURVEILLED BY TSA BACK IN THE DAY?

>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME FROM I BELIEVE SENATOR RAND PAUL, NO FAN OF THE PROGRAM.

THIS IS A 9/11 WAR AND TERROR PROGRAM, BUT FOUND IN 2010 CREATES EXTRA SURVEILLANCE OR EXTRA SECURITY SCREENINGS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE ON THE LIST AS POTENTIAL THREATS.

SENATOR PAUL FOUND THAT THREE CURRENT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, NOT OBVIOUSLY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AT TIME, SURVEILLED IN THE PROGRAM.

ONE IS OBVIOUSLY CONGRESSMAN HAMADEH, ONE IN 2019 WHEN HE WAS CHALLENGING HIS ELECTION.

THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DETAILS WE DON'T KNOW.

NOW IN 2019, ABE HAMADEH WAS AN ARMY INTELLIGENCE OFFICER.

HE HAD TRAVELED INTERNATIONALLY, TO SAUDI ARABIA TO TRAIN THE MEMBERS OF THEIR ARMED FORCES.

TRAVELING TO AREAS THAT HAVE TERRORIST THREATS, BUT ALSO DOING IT IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS A MEMBER OF THE U.S.

ARMED FORCES.

>> I THINK HE WENT TO LEBANON AS WELL.

>> YEAH.

THIS IS TRICKY.

ONE EXAMPLE, THE QUIET SKIES PROGRAM, WE DISCOVER THERE'S SOME LITTLE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN WATCHING PEOPLE, WATCHING JOURNALISTS, WATCHING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, WATCHING TV TALK SHOW HOSTS PERHAPS OCCASIONALLY, AND WE NEVER GET A CLEAR ANSWER WHY THIS HAPPENED.

WE WERE SWEPT UP IN IT.

I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

DID SOMEBODY LOOK AT NAME AND LOOK AT HIM AND SAY I KNOW HE'S A CHRISTIAN, BUT FAMILIES FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD BE KEEPING AN EYE ON HIM.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ANSWER.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SOMEBODY COULD DO A RECORDS REQUEST, FREE THIS UP AND FIND OUT WHAT PUT HIM IN AND WHAT WAS DISCOVERED.

>> THIS IS LIKE A LOT OF FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT IS COMPLETELY OPAQUE, WE HAD IT ARISE WITH TULSI GABBARD, DIRECT OFFER NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.

SHE WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN THE PROGRAM, AND THE BASIS FOR IT WAS NOT AS SHE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED IT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHY CONGRESSMAN AUM HAMADEH'S BASIS FOR THIS WAS.

THIS BEGAN WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE DESPITE ALL APPEARANCES, DESPITE THE EFFORT TO BLAME IT ON THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

>> THE SECOND TIME WAS AFTER THE ELECTION, AND IT WAS WHILE HE WAS CHALLENGING THE ELECTION RESULTS AND BRINGING THAT UP AS POSSIBLY THE REASON FOR SECOND SURVEILLANCE.

>> IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THE TIMING, DECEMBER 2022, AND NOT WONDER WHETHER THIS IS RELATED TO ELECTION-RELATED ACTIVITIES.

HE WAS IN COURT CHALLENGING HIS EXTRAORDINARILY NARROW LOSS TO KRIS MAYES, TALKING ABOUT TALES OF 2020 AND 2022 WHICH HAD DUBIOUS BASES.

THESE ARE VERY OPAQUE, WE DON'T KNOW THE REASONS, SOME CASES NEVER KNOW THE REASONS, IT COULD BE SOMETHING AS TULSI GABBARD I BELIEVE SHE MET WITH EUROPEAN BUSINESSMEN IN VATICAN CITY ON THE FBI WATCH LIST.

THERE'S A LOT OF RANDOM THINGS THAT LAND YOU ON THIS.

THE TIMING IS NOT SO COINCIDENTAL.

>> IF THE TIMING HAD TO DO WITH ELECTION CHALLENGES, KARI LAKE WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THAT LIST.

SHE STILL SAYS SHE'S THE GOVERNOR OF ARIZONA, OR SHE'S A SENATOR, DEPENDING WHICH ELECTION YOU WANT TO SAY SHE LOST MOST RECENTLY.

I HAVE HAIRED TIME BELIEVING TIED TO THE POLITICS OF THE ELECTION, IT DOESN'T WASH.

TED: YEAH, WELL, WE WILL SEE WHERE THAT ONE GOES.

RON, THE SECURE THE BORDER ACT.

LAST YEAR'S SECURE THE BORDER ACT GIVES LAW ENFORCEMENT THE POWER TO ARREST MIGRANTS AND CHALLENGED IN THE WAY THE COURTS HAVE SAID I DON'T THINK SO.

>> YEAH, I THINK THIS IS AN APPROACH TO TRY AND SAY ME TOO, ALONG WITH WHAT TEXAS HAS BEEN TRYING AND THE COURTS HERE HAVE ESSENTIALLY SAID YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS TIED TO SOMETHING CONDITIONAL IN TEXAS THAT REMAINS FROZEN IN LITIGATION.

THE THING THAT STRIKES ME ABOUT IT, IT ALSO RAISES SOME OF THE ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE INTERACTION BETWEEN FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS ON MATTERS THAT ARE INHERENTLY FEDERAL, THAT WE SAW IN THE SENATE BILL 1070 LITIGATION, AND ON THAT FRONT, THE HIGH COURT SIDED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STRUCK DOWN THOSE PORTIONS RELATING TO IT.

SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF ON SOFT GROUND, IT SEEMS, FOR THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO RAISE THIS ISSUE, AND THE COURTS ARE SAYING WE'RE GETTING WAY AHEAD OF OURSELVES.

>> RON IS CORRECT.

TEXAS SB4 SAID IF STATE AND LOCAL POLICE CAN ARREST PEOPLE THAT CROSS THE BORDER OTHER THAN AT PORT OF ENTRY, AND IT'S BEEN CHALLENGED AND STAYED AND FEDERAL APPEALS COURT IS SAYING WHAT PART OF THIS IS THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS WHEN PROP -- FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS A VERSION OF PROP 314 THE LEGISLATURE PASSED AND THE GOVERNOR VETOES, BIG SURPRISE THERE, PUT IT BACK ON THE BALLOT WITH FEW BELLS AND WHISTLES AND SAID, LOOK, WE DON'T WANT TO PICK OUR OWN FIGHT WITH THE FEDS.

WE WILL MAKE OUR LAW CONDITIONAL ON A FINAL RULING ON SB4.

THE TRIAL JUDGE JUST SAID, WELL, THERE IS NOTHING NECESSARILY WRONG WITH CONDITIONING ON ANOTHER COURT CASE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO LOOK AT.

THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THIS WOULD BE ENFORCED IN AN UNFAIR MANNER, IT WILL BE DISCRIMINATION, IT WILL BE RACIAL PROFILING, AND THE JUDGE SAID YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DAMAGES.

HAVE YOU NOBODY HERE TO SAY THEY'RE BEING HURT.

NOW COME BACK, IF AND WHEN.

TED: RIGHT.

>> THIS PROP 314 TAKES PLACE.

TED: NO PRESENT, EXISTING OR ACTUAL CONTROVERSY, AND AS HOWIE MENTIONED, IT IS PREMATURE.

>> KIND OF IRONICALLY, IF THIS DOES GO INTO EFFECT, IF THE SUPREME COURT DOES ALLOW THE TEXAS LAW TO GO INTO EFFECT, PERHAPS HAVE YOU CASE LAW SAYING YES, STATES ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS FOR THE CORE PERMISSION ABOUT MAKING IT A STATE CRIME TO CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY.

THERE ARE OTHER BELLS AND WHISTLES AS HOWIE MENTIONED, THAT IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THAT LAW, THE BORDER CROSSING PROVISIONS.

>> SUPPOSEDLY TO PROTECT FOLKS HERE, IT SAYS THAT THE POLICE ARE SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY WITNESS THE PERSON CROSS THE BORDER, SEE A VIDEO OF THE PERSON CROSS THE BORDER OR HAVE OTHER CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED PROOF.

NOW THE PROBLEM IS THAT'S NOT DEFINED, AND THAT'S PART OF ASSUMING EVEN SB4 TAKES EFFECT.

WHAT'S ARGUED HERE IS WHAT'S THE GUIDELINES, WHAT DOES THE POLICE OFFICER HAVE TO KNOW?

OR SOMEBODY IS DRIVING IN PHOENIX AND THEY'RE BROWN AND WE ASSUMED THEY CROSSED THE BORDER ILLEGALLY.

TED: ALL OF THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE BUT CAN'T HAPPEN NOW BECAUSE IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

AT THE BOTTOM THIS IS A CASE THAT IS NOT RIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION.

TED: YEAH, I THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I THINK THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP HAS A PROBLEM -- WITH THE CASE, I SHOULD SAY.

WE WILL HAVE NO MORE PROBLEMS WITH IT AND MOVE ON.

WE HAVE YET ANOTHER -- MR.

GILLETTE, APPARENTLY WE TALKED ABOUT HIM SO MANY TIMES NOW THEY THINK WE'RE GOING TO SAVE A CHAIR FOR HIM FOR THE NEXT FRIDAY ROUND TABLE, BUT THERE'S MORE, BEFORE HE CAME TO ARIZONA AND BEFORE HE GOT INTO THE LEGISLATURE?

>> HE WAS THE SHERIFF IN ILLINOIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND, OF COURSE, AN ARIZONA TRANSPLANT AS ARE MANY OF US.

WELL, IT TURNS OUT THE REPUBLIC, BLESS THEIR HEART, WENT AHEAD AND PULLED HIS RECORDS THERE, AND HE HAS RECORDS OF BEING AGGRESSIVE, ACCORDING TO THE ACTUAL SHERIFF THERE.

THERE ARE RECORDS OF HIM HAVING CREDIBLE CASES OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND WHAT MAKES ALL THIS RELEVANT IS HE CAN SAY, THAT'S THE OLD ME.

THE NEW ME IS A GUY WHO IS SUGGESTING THAT CONGRESSMAN BE HANGED, CALLING NAMES TO MUSLIMS AND THINGS LIKE THIS HERE, WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THE NEW REPRESENTATIVE GILLETTE IS THE OLD REPRESENTATIVE GILLETTE.

TED: HANGED AFTER BEING TRIED AND CONVICTED.

>> HE COULD CLARIFY THAT LATER.

TED: YEAH, DIDN'T JUST THROW UP A ROPE HERE, BUT YOU GUYS REALLY DUG DEEP AND FOUND STUFF ON THIS GUY, HUH?

>> MY COLLEAGUE RAY STERN DID A NICE JOB IN PULLING THROUGH THESE RECORDS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME, AND IT PAINTS A VERY UNFLATTERING PICTURE.

THIS IS SOMEONE WHO ENGAGED IN ACCORDING TO THE RECORDS, COMPLAINTS OF SEXUAL ABUSE, AND ACTUAL SUSTAINED COMPLAINTS OF AT LEAST ONE SITUATION THAT MADE A WOMAN VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

THERE WAS PHYSICAL VIOLENCE.

THESE WERE COMPLAINTS THAT INVOLVED HIS COLLEAGUES AND IT'S NOTABLE THAT HIS -- HIS REACTION TO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY TO PAINT ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AS WE ALL ENGAGE IN THIS.

THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT IS ESPECIALLY OUT OF THE ORDINARY, SO THESE ARE TROUBLING ACCUSATIONS AND HIS RESPONSE TO HIS IS CERTAINLY NOT TO OWN UP TO IT.

TED: WE SHOULD MENTION HE HAS CALLED THESE COMPLAINTS REPORTED ON HERE RIDICULOUS AND NONSENSE.

>> RIDICULOUS AND NONSENSE, AND AS RON MENTIONED, EVERYONE BREAKS THE RULES.

I PRESUME HE WAS REFERRING TO, NOT REFERRING TO THE SEXUAL ASSAULTS BUT THERE WAS LIKE 42 COMPLAINTS.

TED: YES, YES.

>> NASTY STUFF ABOUT USE OF FORCE AND POINTING GUNS AT PEOPLE.

>> THIS IS A TRICKY THING, AND I'M PROBABLY INDICTING MUCH OF OUR PROFESSORS, I'M GUILTY OF THIS, TOO.

SO MANY LAWMAKERS CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE HAD JOHN KAVANAGH WORKED FOR THE PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK.

A STATE LAWMAKER, STRINGER, FOUND OUT LATER HAD BEEN ARRESTED AND CONVICTED OF PAYING FOR SEX WITH A CHILD.

WHEN PEOPLE COME, WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF LOOKBACK, MAYBE WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB GIVEN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE LEGISLATURE WHO ARE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE CAN'T JUST CHECK THE ARIZONA RECORDS AND SAY WHAT HAVE THEY DONE?

THEY'LL SAY, AGAIN, THAT'S THE OLD ME, BUT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

I THINK THE VOTERS DESERVE TO KNOW THAT.

TED: >> WE ALSO SAW THIS WITH FORMER PINAL COUNTY SHERIFF PAUL BABEU.

HE FACED COMPLAINTS OF ESSENTIALLY RUNNING A HORROR HOUSE IN PUBLIC SCHOOL IN EDUCATION IN MASSACHUSETTS.

THIS WAS NOT KNOWN UNTIL HE RAN FOR CONGRESS LATER.

TED: NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION, CORRECT?

>> NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.

REPUBLICANS AT THE CAPITOL WERE BREATHING A SIGH OF RELIEF, IF YOU'RE CALLING FOR A CONGRESSWOMAN TO BE TRIED AND CONVICTED AND HANGED FOR CALLING FOR PEACEFUL PROTESTS FOR REFERRING TO MUSLIMS AS SAVAGES FOR USING AN ANTI-JAPANESE RACIAL SLUR AND A POST CONDEMNING DEMOCRATS.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, AND WE'VE GOT A YEAR BEFORE NEXT YEAR'S ELECTION.

SOME KIND OF INFLAMMATORY COMMENTS ABOUT DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES FOLLOWING THE MURDER OF CHARLIE KIRK.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

>> YEAH, AND ONE FINAL THING TO ECHO WHAT JEREMY MENTIONED, THIS HAPPENS IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE CHARLIE KIRK ASSASSINATION, WHICH WAS ROUNDLY CONDEMNED AND PROPERLY SO, AND SHOULD BE OCCASION TO STEP BACK FROM OVERLY CHARGED RHETORIC AND, INSTEAD, IT HAS BEEN NO OCCASION TO TAP THE BREAKS.

TED: MR.

GILLETTE IS A BRONZE STAR RECIPIENT FOR SERVICE IN IRAQ.

HE'S HAD QUITE A BACKGROUND IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

HOWIE, GO TO THE AIRPORT AND LOOKING FOR THE KRISTI NOEM SHOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TV SHOWS AND VIDEO PRESENCE, NOT GOING TO FIND IT.

WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> NOT GOING TO FIND IT.

A NUMBER OF AIRPORTS INCLUDING SKY HARBOR, WHEN YOU ARE GOING THROUGH TSA, THERE'S A NICE LITTLE SCREEN HERE.

3 OUNCES OF LIQUID, WHETHER YOU DO OR DON'T HAVE TO TAKE OFF YOUR SHOES, HOW TO PACK, ALL THE REST OF THE STUFF.

EDUCATIONAL THINGS.

KRISTI NOEM PUT OUT A VIDEO SAYING WE HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE FLIGHT, HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE EXPERIENCE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, BUT THE GOVERNMENT'S BEEN SHUT DOWN AND YOU CAN BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR IT.

WE LOOKED AROUND AND WE FOUND OUT, WE CALLED SKY HARBOR AND THEY SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN THIS THING.

IT'S POLITICAL.

WE DON'T RUN POLITICAL ADS ON OUR TVs.

CURIOUS ENOUGH, TUCSON INTERNATIONAL SAID WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TV MONITORS AT THE TSA STATION.

TED: THEY DON'T HAVE TV IN TUCSON?

>> THEY HAVE IT BUT YOU HAVE TO CRANK IT UP.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE CNN MONITORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THERE, AND SERVICES THEY WANT TO RUN AT THE TSA, WE DON'T HAVE THEM SO NO HARM NO FOUL.

THIS IS PART OF THE WHOLE, WE GO BACK TO THE ISSUE OF RHETORIC HERE.

NOBODY WANTS TO COOL THIS.

EVERYBODY IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SEEMS TO BE PROGRAMMED TO SAY WHATEVER IS GOING ON THAT YOU DON'T LIKE, IT'S THE FALSE OF THE DEMOCRATS, NO MATTER WHAT, AND THIS IS KRISTI NOEM'S ADDITION TO IT.

TED: ONE OF THE QUOTES WAS DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT AND THE AIRPORT SAYS THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE THROW ON THE MONITORS.

>> WE HAVE THE HATCH ACT, PREVENTED FEDERAL OFFICIALS FROM USING THEIR OFFICES FROM POLITICKING ON THE JOB, ON THE CLOCK.

THIS HAS BEEN INVOKED.

A NUMBER OF AREAS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PUSHING THE ENVELOPE HOW THEY CAN USE GOVERNMENT RESOURCES TO BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR THE SHUTDOWN.

GOING BACK TO THE POLITICAL THEATER OF IT ALL, REPRESENTATIVE-ELECT AND THE SHUTDOWN.

TED: HOW BAD ARE THINGS AT SKY HARBOR, TSA WORKERS ARE NOT GETTING PAID YET, THEY'RE GOING TO GET BACK PAY BUT NOT GETTING PAID RIGHT NOW.

I'VE HEARD DELAYS ARE -- I'VE KNOWN FOLKS FLYING OUT, COUPLE HOURS WAIT.

>> THE DELAYS ARE A BIG CONCERN, THIS HELPED BREAK THE LOGJAM IN THE LAST GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IS WHEN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS REACHED A BREAKING POINT, THAT WENT ON A MONTH.

WE ARE ABOUT HALFWAY TO THE POINT AT THIS JUNCTURE.

THE TRAFFIC IN SKY HARBOR HAS BEEN NOT IDEAL FOR A WHILE.

THIS ONLY IS AGGRAVATING SOMETHING, WITH A SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN UNDER ENORMOUS STRAIN ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THE CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE PLAYING WITH A SITUATION THAT COULD BE VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.

>> AND THAT'S THE POINT, AND RON'S POINT IS WE TALK ABOUT THE TSA, AND WE ALL HATE HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS, AND YOU'VE BEEN CALLED TO HAVE THEM CHECK OUT YOUR NETHERREGIONS IF YOU WILL, BUT IT'S REALLY THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS NOT GETTING PAID.

THIS IS A STRESSFUL JOB, YOU HAVE TO RETIRE AT A CERTAIN YOUNG AGE, YOU GO THROUGH YEARS OF TRAINING, TRYING TO KEEP ALL THE PLANES FROM CRASHING EACH OTHER JUST RIGHT ON THE TARMAC THERE, AND THEY'RE NOT BEING PAID EITHER, AND THEY HAVE TO GO HOME AND LISTEN TO FAMILIES, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET FED?

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BRING THE SYSTEM TO A HALT, THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS AND WILL RESULT IN A SHUTDOWN.

THEY'LL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS, TELL EACH OF THE AIRLINES YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS OR THE SHUTDOWN OF CERTAIN AIRPORTS.

>> LAST QUESTION FOR ALL OF YOU, WHEN WE MEET AGAIN FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE NEXT WEEK OR EVEN THE WEEK AFTER THAT, WHEN IS THIS SHUTDOWN GOING TO END?

>> I WOULD EXPECT YOU STILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND THE NEXT WEEK, THERE IS NO END IN SIGHT, I THINK IT'S GOING ON AWHILE.

TED: WHAT DO YOU THINK, RON?

>> GIVEN THE STAKES THE EXPIRATION OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE SUBSIDIES, A LOT OF FOLKS WILL START TO SEE WHAT THOSE RATES WILL LOOK LIKE IN NOVEMBER.

SO MY GUESS YOU IS WON'T SEE ANY BREAKTHROUGH UNTIL PEOPLE START TO SEE THAT, AND SAY, THERE'S MASS STICKER SHOCK, OR WE'VE OVERPLAYED OUR HAND.

>> I'M ONLY HOPING WHEN WE'RE SITTING AROUND THIS FOR THE YEAR END SHOW THAT IS NOT TOPIC NUMBER ONE, WILL THE GOVERNMENT STILL BE SHUT DOWN A YEAR FROM NOW.

TED: THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE SHUTDOWN WILL BE AMONG THE TOPICS.

HOPE SOMETHING HAPPENS BEFORE THEN.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.