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It was important significant hearings that they needed to know or a farce and what's the significance?

I think that anyone who watched it with an open mind would have to say it was a significant thing and that the committee produced some pretty compelling evidence that, benefit, they're drawing the broad outlines last night with the idea they were painting that picture.

You had former attorney general Barr that the talk of election cheating was BS and there you had Ivanka trump saying I kind of agree with him and revelations of things I had no idea about.

That his own cabinet was invoking the 25th agent amendment because he was so off the rails at the time.

There were huge Arizona connections that we'll be hearing more about in the months to come.

>> Bob, does it change anything?

We're talking about things we didn't know about before, but does it change anything?

>> The potential in subtle ways.

I think if you are a news consumer with an open mind and not overly political and watch the riot to unfold, you already have a pretty solid understanding that this was un-American and just nuts.

If you're a hardcore republican trump supporter, you won't have your mind changed.

Where it will affect those folks, those that didn't consume the news and watched one of these two-hour presentations of the evidence, I mean, my wife watched it with me last night and just looked at me and her jaw dropped at some of the video of these crowds attacking the police and just a horribly violent way.

We saw someone that a year and a half ago, but to see it put together was just shocking.

I think that it has the potential to move the needle somewhat.

>> Mary Jo if.

>> The real important thing is the department of justice and what they're trying to do, they're not prosecuting, but they're trying to bring forward is a lot of evidence that prosecutors would pick up and follow and that's how you get some consequences out of what happened on January 6th.

>> Ramification's perspective, a lot of discussion in the 2022 mid-terms that the republicans could take back the house.

Does this hearing do anything to help the Democrats or does it help the republicans?

>> I don't think either one because I think the overarching issue is my pocketbook and what do I have to pay for gas and paying at the grocery store?

Inflation is eating away any chance that the Democrats have, in my opinion, to keep the house.

>> And bob, for example, some of the republicans have been saying that what we should be holding hearings are exactly those issues, the economy.

Would they have been better off having a hearing on the economy as opposed to this?

>> No, I don't think so.

This is why.

Regardless of what you and I think when we're filling up at the gas pump, whoever is president has little to do with gas price.

He can say we're going to drill but that won't affect prices for years.

I used to cover the energy years ago and it doesn't affect it.

Secretary Yellen was on the hill this week and said, you know, the republicans were accusing her and all of this inflation because of Biden stimulus and I might buy that but there's inflation in Europe, China and Japan and world-wide.

>> They fail to recognize early on and react to it.

I don't think your average voter, especially independents so important this year, understand any of that.

I think they understand my life is bad right now and Democrats are in charge and therefore.

>> They have to disagreement with that whatsoever.

But legitimately, if the Democrats tried to put that on as a hearing, as a way to deflect, it won't do any good.

This is just baked in.

>> I don't think this will change much for the Democrats and it could change it for republicans in terms of how much those candidates who are tightly aligned with Donald Trump, this is not a good look for the president.

There are other choices out there in races all up and down the ballot for different congressional seats and in the case here state-wide seats candidates aligned or not aligned with trump and that might open up a lane for some of them.

>> Some republicans have complained this is a show and you have to admit it was prime-time and they could do it during the day and chose not to do that.

I mean, was this a show?

That was nicely put together and that's how I read it and I had to watch it late because I was at a republican party debate, where the person who introduced the debate said, you know, glad you're all here because you could have been home watching the January 6th hearing and the crowd wouldn't tune into that.

But I guess it had some level of production value, but there was news there.

For example, the proud boys, they weren't going to trump's rally.

At 10:30 in the morning, they were turning towards the come.

capitol.

>> The guys with the orange hats and if anybody knows their name, let us know.

>> Obviously this continues next week.

>> Right.

This was not smoking mirrors and not just standing up railing.

They presented evidence, which I think will be flushed out in the weeks to come and my understanding that something like 20 million people watched this thing livestreaming and on TV.

That is not an in significant audience and if they stayed for the full two hours, that's pretty powerful stuff.

Would it really change anything?

No.

But maybe course correct as Mary Jor said off of this run-away train the republicans got going these ca careening toward a cliff.

>> We need to move toward Arizona.

I want to talk about the butch budget at the state capitol and what day are we on?

>> Thursday was 150.

>> The goal is to do a 100-day session and that's long passed.

>> So the legislature exceeds expectations.

>> In many ways.

We have to have a budget by July 1, theoretically to make sure we can pay people and a budget came out this week and sounds like some people aren't happy.

>> 13 in the house and 16 in the senate and they don't have them.

They don't have 16 in the senate.

They've lost Mr. Boyer -- >> Paul Boyer who is not happy about the education component.

>> Correct.

He wants 100 or a billion dollars for education more or less, and he does to the vote for the budget anyway and we have five billion dollars extra, so why not?

Well, the problem with that there,there are people in the republican party think we're spending into much and a $14 billion budget all-told and there are people like Rita that pops to mind and a bunch others who think, wait, we should be giving this money back to the taxpayers and rebating it or tax cuts and surely don't want to lock it on the spending because that's big government and we don't like that.

So the republicans have a bad front on both sides getting this out.

>> Will they pull this off?

>> Well, 20 days to do it and they're adjourned to Monday and they don't think there's any urgency to it.

Yes, they have to pull it off and do something and if it gets drastic, they could go shopping in Democrat land and go there.

>> One Democrat who is willing to potentially move, and more importantly, they run the risk of losing, I think, another lawmaker, republican lawmaker who will be on vacation up in Alaska for a couple of week.

Iweeks.Do they need to make the great compromise here?

>> That or reinstitute remote voting which works during Covid where people did not have to be at the capitol to vote.

I mean, this draft that circulated this week is far from the final product.

There will be a lot of things that will change and the people I'm talking to think you'll need a couple of Democrats to get this thing over the finish line by June 30th because you have to have your budget in place by July 1st.

The alternative is you could go back to the skinny budget, bare bone's budget idea and let it stand there, but I don't see how governor Doug Ducey would sign that as the last budget of his last year.

>> And realistically, for the republicans to go shopping for democratic votes won't be -- >> In last couple of weeks?

>> -- it would be an explosion.

>> The Democrats in the past, when this has happened have made it clear, you'll have to give me a lot.

Not a little, a lot.

>> We want a billion dollars for education and we want kid's care and legitimate housing.

>> Let me interject and remind you there is only one thing the Arizona legislature has to do and coming in early January, they have one job and that was to pass a budget.

And they couldn't do it then and can't do it now and a fundamental failure of leadership.

>> I was going to ask that question and here we are at the 150 some odd day point and what didn't work and what broke?

>> The republicans were two and a half months ago were just absolutely flabbergasted they woman stick something, Paul Boyer wouldn't go along with this and we won't play.

They did nothing for two month.

For two months, I've been trampling down there and other capitol reporters and they'll come in and do one bill a day work two days a week and leave.

>> It's leadership and in act inability to get the stray cats rounded up.

Yes, granted the kaw republican caucuses are diverse and a range of opinions from spending too much to not spending enough kind of crowd and somebody -- we have not found anybody who could pull that together.

>> Let's not forget the possibility of payback being in here, as well.

Paul Boyer made a reasonable expectation, the voters in prop 208 made it clear they want more money into education and that was thrown out because of the legislature and the courts, but still this expectation and desire by voters to have that additional money for education.

He wants it and they don't want to do anything for Paul Boyer and back to last year when he dared to not vote for the resolution to basically arrest for put the Maricopa county border of supervisors, hold them in contempt for the election audit.

>> And he has not voted for the lex bills this year.

>> And he has not voted for a number of them and I think people if Paul Boyer wants it, I'm against it.

>> At some point, they need to have a budget.

>> There's a lot of interesting stuff in this budget, more than $550 million for border security.

>> And a border wall.

>> And a bolder wall.

For an actual sensing tough to pull off because most is federal land unfenced and still, that's a huge amount of money from a state like ours to throw into border security and reason forces the fact that not only is this a good political issue they're running on again this year for the inth time but the voters want to put money for.

>> If you compares for K12 education, which is about $259 million and then some money for 183 million for buildings or for freshening up school buildings, but, again, those numbers are far short of what.

208 voters wanted with prop 208 and Boyer is still holding out for.

And I don't think anybody is listening to him.

>> This happens with all of these people are running for election again and everybody has to run for election and the bulk of them.

And, you know, just this week, we had the judge in Mohave county, guess what, mail-in ballots are OK. >> And I don't know what the republican party is really thinking about here.

This isn't just -- it's a skyrocket of a political issue.

>> The point being the republican party had been the primary appropriate of eliminating that.

>> Yeah.

The republican party, where all of Arizona, including all of the republicans, 80% of the people vote by mail, and some cases independent%.

90% and make everybody go to the polls.

It won't be insanity.

And they think it's a good political issue and I don't know of anyone who is fairly -- I don't want to say who believes that.

To.

[ Laughter ] >> I know plenty of republicans who will be very upset if they can't cast their ballot by mail.

We've done it since 1991 and the republicans were actually able to use that to mobilize and get out the vote effort that has allowed them to -- or helped allow them to dominate this state for decks and decades and now the republican party goes ballistic to ends this process based on no evidence.

of any problem at all.

And this is not over.

Although, the judge in Mohave county says the answer is no and not unconstitutional to do early voting and quite likely this will get to the Supreme Court and just waiting to how quickly they'll take it there.

>> That's the case, but if we look at the calendar and look at my watch and the calendar, we are less than a month from the early ballots going out.

>> This wouldn't pertain to the August 2nd primary.

They only want to shut it down for the general in they've.

>> But the concept is the same.

>> Yeah.

And it would be very confusing.

>> The general election, of course, is where the republican party needs everybody to vote and if they want to win, they don't just need the 30% of Arizona who are republicans.

They need half of the independents to vote for them, too.

Remember, it's a third and a third and a third, give or take.

>> The concern finally in 20, the Democrats figured out early voting is a nifty thing, and turned out in record numbers to cast early ballots.

And, you know, the republicans were shocked, shocked, I tell you something like that could happen.

>> There was a poll that came out that talked about the fact that running for governor in the republican primary, that Karen Taylor-robson, polling within a squaresqueak of Kari lake.

Everyone assumed Kari lake would win this or is there a potential for Kari like to lose this.

>> Miss Robson is pouring an amount of money in her campaign and she's winning some becoming and Miss Lake does not have that kind of money to in innundate the airwaves and it's a two-way race.

But as a potential spoiler, most political oh, would say that and what do you think?

>> I would echo would you say and how many you've seen for robson, bumping it up -- >> The thing about Kari lake, she has that solid support and is robson's support the same?

>> I think that what you have to recognize, it's national given the amount that robson is spending her numbers would go up to now at 23 point something percent.

I found interesting because they do a tracking every month and two months ago, Kari lake was 35% and now at 27%.

And she's not only not broadening her base.

There seems to be a slight dip in her numbers.

The question for her is, as it has been all along, she has probably a third of the republican party vote, the hardcore Maga people that respond to that anger and we'll pick up sledgehammers and anybody gets if our way, we'll deck them.

A third of the republicans respond and what about the rest of them?

Can she broaden that base.

Not only in a primary should she win it but appeal to the independent voters to decide the election in November?

>> There's been attack ads against Kari lake which are fairly effective, which are also ubiquitous on the airwaves on radio and television and connecting her for flip-flopping and contributed to Barack Obama and other things they've pointed out and repeat NRA member.

Those are all points that kind of stab at the republican heart and say, well, wait a minutes, a minute, I thought this was a great candidate.

>> Just a few minutes ago, if you had to take out the crystalball, who would you predict win.

>> I'mwinning?

>> I'll stay away?

>> The women would have to be with Karen Taylor-robson.

Look at the number of undecides that race and it's high.

Which way would they go.

My money is on Karen Taylor-robson.

>> We wait until the ballots come in.

[ Laughter ] >> Smart move.

>> It's clear that Kari lake has been the frontrunner all along and we'll see in six weeks.

>> What can happening in the remaining weeks.

>> A lot.

>> Next week Arizona PBS will continue with hearings by the January 6th committee investing the riot and you can watch that in a livestream at 7:00 a.m. on Monday, June 13th at AZPBS.org or see it taped delayed on ArizonaPBS, the world channel 8.3 and that's it for now and thank you for joining us and have a great evening and great weekend.

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