>> As we heard earlier city council narrowly passed a controversial snap curfew ordinance this afternoon following months of debate.

The measure is aimed at curbing large gatherings of teens.

But for many young people in Chicago, there aren't many places for them to gather and socialize.

Joining us to discuss the snap curfew measure and why it's harder for teens to find places to together are shima community engagement editor at South Side Weekly and Corley J Community Investment reporter at the Tribe.

Thanks to both for joining us.

So the tribe in South Side weekly, the 2 of you have been working on collaboration to cover this snap curfew debate Corley.

Let's talk about the terms teen trends or gatherings versus teen takeovers.

They're sometimes called.

What exactly are these events and what are some of the misconceptions people might have about them?

Yeah, for sure.

Thank you for having Brand-new.

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>> Our speeds come inmate Randy's that reason demands are mostly downtown as many lot of misconceptions about Biden to some of the trains had in with people.

We one notably get good with team that is live reading in part because you read to a curfew.

And so says since there has been a lot talk about how to kind of prevent the scene treating together.

It's >> So FEMA had a teen gatherings haven't had provide an outlet for teens.

>> Yes, so it gives them a place to essentially will, you know, they're board right there.

Spending time at the House lies, Ashley in the summertime when they're out of school veterans.

So they might not have this after school programming and especially in people who are coming from neighborhoods where maybe there's not a lot to do recreationally in the neighborhood or, you know, those record recreational activities might be in places that aren't safe for them to go.

teens trends were takeovers are providing them with his base to be able to meet up their peers, their age mates, their classmates, you friends that they have that live in other neighborhoods.

It's giving them a neutral settings, be able to meet up with other teenagers and also just to have fun, find something to do during the summer time, etc.

>> At the same time, unfortunately, as you mentioned, Corley, some of these teen gatherings have led to activities that make people concerned for their safety.

What had people that you spoke with said about how the violence can be prevented.

>> Well, my colleague, Tony, and reporting talking to actual teens about just have a more safe spaces for them to go to the kind of curving because they don't have places to our gate.

Are you going some down?

But they want people to know that it's not all teenagers right now.

That's a problem he had with something like.

That's for You know, I'm kind in prison the or on criminalizing teens who may be at the wrong place at the right place at the wrong times.

Looking for something to do.

>> And I think some of your colleagues also Cheema.

They've also reported on the impact of curfew is whether or not they work on because as we just heard from had usher and supporting City Council did, in fact, pass the snap curfew ordinance.

The mayor has said he would veto it, but what is the impact of a >> Well, Jim Daly, the investigative it editor itself a weekly.

He did some really great reporting on the fact that there's really no answer to that.

It's actually unclear whether or not curfews keep people safe or not.

And the issue was that, you know, providing this idea, safety in one place can then create this bubble of and safety or violence, cetera, and other the curfews and actually meeting the issue at its root.

And if they're not getting downtown, then their meeting somewhere else, it almost seems as if we're trying to segregate this violence to their own neighborhood to their communities and saying like, yeah, you know, these areas are just off limits because that's what's most valuable to us.

And that doesn't actually solve the issue.

So it's actually hard to determine whether or not curfews actually keep people safe.

And even in city of Chicago, the enforcement of curfew seems to be varying and it's not always consistent.

And so even with the curfew that we had before this curfew ordinance was it's not like it was being enforced on a consistent basis and sometimes even weaponized to be used a case-by-case situation as opposed to being a blanket things.

So it's hard to even tell.

>> Also, China and based on your reporting, you've spoken to parents about the challenges of raising 18 2025 in Chicago.

What have they said?

>> They said that will one, you know, social media is.

Influencing a lot of the way they go about, you know, communicating with each other and navigating the road around them and that's had its benefits.

But it's also had, you know, some problems because obviously like if you're trying to mitigate what's going on among teenagers and how they influence each other these way for them to be able to connect with each other without supervision, cetera, is on social media.

And like I said, that can provide them with some freedom and autonomy.

But that also creates a space for young people because we have to remember their children to be able to influence each other, to handle things, go about things in a way that may not be the safe safe is but that being said, though, these parents are also expecting that the reason why large chunk of the time there's many socializing, huge other socializing with each other is online is because there's not as many things to do out in the real world.

Right.

So one of the pair's mentioned how she had a cool in a public housing complex.

Where's the public to lack and tell you where the nearest public police in the right how a lot of young people were gathering in Milwaukee.

One of the parents grew up Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and they were taken to the streets because they were bored when they were out of school and the city decided, hey, let's just move on to a place that's safe or not.

think over the stadium parking lot for a couple hours and, you know, stay out the way and not be in traffic as opposed to telling them they can't do one thing and not giving them an alternative.

Right.

So I think the main thing is that young people are needing a place or places to feel safe.

And also to a lot is and there are things away from them without Aleutians.

Yeah, Corley.

You looked into some of that like the lack of amenities and 3rd spaces for teens compared to in the past.

What were some of those amenities >> what happened to them in about 30 seconds?

>> Yeah, we places safe places for teens.

It close also known juice bars.

They no longer exist.

They didn't exist when I was growing up.

So I know they keys today have no idea what that was like.

Also, we have and keys were able to go to teenagers.

But those have long going out, you know, because online shopping, but also because of the sport house.

And you can go to 5 miles games hours after right or 5 o'clock without a parent or is for which also here has the same count is for house.

And so places, these teens safe places, I'm going end with the lack of people teams like a place to kind of move up and that's why they can slide down