>> WELCOME BACK OUR GUEST THIS WEEK IS PERRY JOHNSON ON HIS NEXT POLITICAL MOVE.

OUR LEAD STORY, NEW POLLING DATA TAN THE REPUBLICAN RACE FOR GOVERNOR.

WHO IS ON FIRST ON THE OTR PANEL KYLE MELINN.

JIM KIERTZNER.

WE GET THE INSIDE OUT, OFF THE RECORD.

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AND NOW, THIS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> ALL RIGHT.

FRIDAY MORNING.

STUDIO C LIKE IT HAPPENS EVERY WEEK AND A GREAT PANEL.

EVERYBODY DOING WELL.

THE 4th FAIRWAY LATER ON TODAY.

AND THE WESTERN IN MID MICHIGAN IS, THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE, 67% UNDECIDED.

IN OTHER WORDS THE VAST MAJORITY OF VOTERS HERE KNOW LITTLE BILLION RYAN KELLY AND GARY SALDANO, HOWEVER, IN THE WAKE OF THE PLACATIVE PUBLICITY THAT HE GOT FOR BEING ARRESTED IN THE ROLE IN THE JANUARY 6th DISTURBANCE AT THE U.S. CAPITAL, THE CANDIDATE DOES HAVE 13% LEFT TOKING IN MID MICHIGAN COMPARED TO 17% STATEWIDE.

IT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT.

AND FOR THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES THEY KNOW 8% LOCALLY AND 13% STATE WADE AND 4-POINT LOCALLY AND 12% STATEWIDE AND THEN, HE HAS BEEN ADDS VERYTIZING THAT MR. SALDANS HAS NOT UNTIL HIS FIRST AD TODAY.

ALL BUT TIED, SIX NEW POLLSTERS CONDITION CLUED THAT IS WIDE OPEN PRIMARY RACES WITH 45% OF THE STATEWIDE REPUBLICANS STILL UNDECIDED.

WHEN THE POLL WAS TAKEN, THE LONE FEMALE IN THE CONTEST DICKSON HAD ENDORSEMENT OF THE DAVOS FAMILY IN MICHIGAN RIGHT TO LIFE BUT THE FIVE PERCENT SHOWING LEFT HER IN FOURTH PLACE AS FOR RALPH, HE HAD ONLY ONE PERCENT IN THE SURVEY.

AND A WRITE-INND GOT 7% NOT ENOUGH TO WIN BUT CERTAINLY ENOUGH TO TAKE VOTES A WAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

SO VOTERS NOW HAVE LESS THAN 50 DAYS TO FIGURE OUT WHO THEY LIKE AND IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR GOVERNOR TO TAKE ON YOU WHO?

GOVERNOR WHITMER.

SO ZOEY CLARK, A ARE THE 45% OF THE PEOPLE DO.

AND ARE THEY UNOHIO OR NOT PAYING ATTENTION?

>> NO.

THEY ARE REGULAR PLANNERS WHO ARE GOING TO WORK AND LIVING THEIR LIVES EVERYDAY.

AND DEALING WITH IN PLACING BE A GAS PRICES AND BABY FORMULA AND THE NEXT GOVERNOR IS.

>> YEAH.

I DON'T THINK HE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH CARING AND OVERLY PLUGGED IN THEN AND PROBABLY WALKING THE SHOW RIGHT NOW.

ALL THREE OF THEM.

YEAH.

AS YOU SAID, 45 DAYS THE OTHER THING WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR MORE THAN A YEAR NOW, IT IS REALLY SINCE YOU KNOW, JAMES CRAIG GOT BOOTED THE BALLOT.

IT IS IT A NAME, RIGHT, ON THIS.

THERE IS NOT A MIKE COX.

THERE IS NOT AT BILL SCHUETTE.

THERE ARE NOT THESE CANDIDATES EARLY ON WHO SORT OF WERE GETTING THE MOMENTUM, OF COURSE ALTHOUGH, BROOKS SCHNEIDER ENDED UP COMING IN FOR MIKE COX IN TERM OF NAME RECOGNITION AND WINNING BUT EARLY DAYS AND JUST SHOWS THAT AS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT IS THE BACK BENCH CANDIDATES WHO ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE WAY AND GET NAME RECOGNITION.

>> WELL, WHERE GO TO GET THE HOUSE RATED.

WHERE DO GOY TO GET ARRESTED THAT'S WHAT THE OTHER FOUR ARE SAYING.

KELLY TO THE TOP BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.

AND THIS BASE THEY ARE SAYING.

WE NEED DO SOMETHING TO GET NOTICED.

>> WELL, THINK, THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE POM POLITICS ARE RUNNING IN A RACE NONE OF THE PEOPLE HAVE RUN FOR OFFICE BEFORE AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ANY OF THEM, AND NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES WITH SENTION HAS DONE MUCH IN THE TERMS OF PAID BLEED TO GET THEIR NAME THROUGHOUT SO THE FOLKS AT HOME, IT IS SO MUCH AS THEY CARE ABOUT POLL TRACKS DIALED TO THE NEXTAL POLL TUCK THEN THEY CARE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND CARE ABOUT JOE BIDEN A CARE ABOUT THE UKRAINE AND GAS PRICE THEN, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE HAVE INSERTED THEMSELVES INTO THE LIVES OF PEOPLE TO EXTENT THEY REGISTER IN A POLL.

>> LET'S REMEMBER, TOO.

THERE IS INCUMBENT CANDIDATE UNLIKE FOUR YEARS AGO WHERE BOTH PARTIES WERE SUPER TUNED IN AND RIGHT, AWARE EARLY DAYS.

RIGHT NOW YOU JUST HAVE REALLY REPUBLICANS WHO ARE AT LEAST FOR THIS AUGUST PRIMARY OF COURSE, ARE KEEPING AN EYE.

IS STILL A LOT OF SHIFTING SADNESS OVER THIS PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

>> SO IF ARE YOU A CANDIDATE RUNNING DON'T YOU WANT A LOWER TURNOUT BECAUSE THEN THE BAR TO WIN WITH IS LOWER.

OR DO YOU WANT TO GET A MASSIVE TURNOUT BECAUSE WILL WIN?

HELP ME THROUGHOUT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANALYZE.

I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT IT OTHERWAY.

CITY THIS POLL TUX.

>> WELL, EXACTLY.

YEAH.

THERE YOU GO.

WELL I THINK THE REAL DETERMINING FACTOR WE HAVE NOT SEEN YET HOW DOES THE KING MAKER WEIGH IN.

WHO GETS THAT ENDORSE.

MAYBE THERE IS NONE.

>> OH I DON'T THIS I SO.

YOU DON'T THINK SO?

I DON'T THINK HE WILL ENDORSE.

I HAVE BEEN WATCHING DONALD TRUMP ANTICIPATE ENDORSEMENTS THE LAST THREE TO FOUR WEEKS THEN HE IS ENDORSING SAFE INCUMBENT CONGRESS BECOME!

MEMBERS HE IS TIRED OF LOSING HE DOESN'T LIKE TO LOST AND RIGHT NOW HE ENDORSE THE BUNCH PEM IN THE MICHIGAN LEGISLATURE AND SOME ARE NOT ON THE BALL LET ANY MORE.

HE DOESN'T WANT.

HE IS GOING TO GO.

HE IS NOT GOING TO WENT ALL THE LEGISLATIVE RATESES THAT FOYS SURE.

THEN HE DOESN'T WANT TO WEIGH INTO RACE AND SEE THE CANDIDATE LOSE HE WANTINGS TO ENDORSE A ONER.

THEN GOD KNOWS WHO THIS IS WIN ARE WESTERN IS.

WELL.

THE ARE GOING TO WIN?

1:00.

>> THEY WON THEIR PRIMARY.

OK.

THEY WON.

THEY WON THEIR CONVENTION.

Y. E WON THEIR CONVENTION RIGHT.

SO WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE NOMINEES BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO WIN THIS GOVERNOR'S RACE.

WELL, I THINK, I THINK, HE IS HAS BEEN TO WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP, TRUMP.

AND DICKSON HAS HIM IN SHER ADS ON THE STAGE TOGETHER ALMOST LIABILITY IS ENDORSE.

NOT HOW CANE END DARS BETSY DAVOS CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR.

SHE WAS IN THE MEETING TO INVOKE THE 25th AMENDMENT TO GET HIM OUT.

DO YOU THINK DIXON HAS SNOW BILLION'S CHANCE?

OF COURSE NOT.

HE COMES TO THE STATE FOR A BIG RALLY.

WITH AND WITH HIS PICK.

FLOOR WE ARE.

HERE'S THE TRUMP TICKET.

US WHERE.

THE REST OF YOU REPUBLICANS WHO ARE NOT, YOU ARE THE RHINOS WE WHICH WE HAVE SEEN ARE THE CONVENTION.

WELL, HE ONES WITH WITH SALDANO.

HE WITHINS WITH KELLY.

THINK HE WINS WITH ANY OF THEM.

I DON'T THINK HE HAS TO PICK BECAUSE HE WILL MAKE THAT TRIP TO MICHIGAN AT SOME POINT AND MAYBE IN THE AUGUST AND MAYBE HE MADGES IT IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERSES?

WELL.

THINK, AFTER THE PRIMARY.

M I THINK HE WILL WAIT TO SEE WHO WITNESS AND WINCE EITHER WAY.

HE WINS WITH REGARDLESS WHO ENDS UP.

LE WITH, IT HAS BEEN SIX YEARS SINCE I STOPPED TRYING TO GUESS WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS GOING DO.

WE WILL TAKE ANOTHER SHOT AT.

YOU KNOW FOR LIFE.

WE TAKE RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN'T GET ON PUBLIC TV WE CANNOT BET.

>> COV NY.

TOGETHER BAG AND MUG.

NOW WE HAVE JAMES CRAIG WHO SAYS I AM WRITE-IN CANDIDTE.

WHEN YOU HEARD THAT, YOU WHAT DID YOU THINK?

>> WELL, THINK I WOULD LET IN A DEEP SIGH AND WAS WITH UNABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A CAMPAIGN OR HE WAS ABLE TO GET 15,000 VALID SIGNATURES TO BE ON THE BALLOT DOESN'T DIDN'T HAVE THE QUALITY CONTROL UNHOUSE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL SIGNATURES ARE VALID SO WHEN HE TURNED THEM IN, HE WAS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN THE RACE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO RUN A VALID WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN.

YOU NEED A HECK OF A A LOT OF MONEY AND NEED A LOT.

NEITHER OF WHICH WE HAS.

SO I MEAN, I A APPRECIATE HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO DOWN WITHOUT SWINGING, OR HE DOESN'T WANT TO GO DOWN YOU KNOW IN A FETAL POSITION BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW HE WILL PULL IT OFF.

HOW ABOUT A RAE LAL TY CHECK.

>> WELL, THINK THE THING, LOOK, THESY GH AND ALSO SORT OF LIKE WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS.

GET THE SENSE HE COULD PROBABLY GET A FOX NEWS CONTRACT PRETTY EASILY AND WHAT THREE IN SIDE SCOOPS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT HE DIDN'T SEEM TO POSSIBLY REALLY WANT TO HAVE TO GO OUT TO DO THE WORK THAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TO BE THE CANDIDATE AND SO WHY THEN EVEN.

THIS IS LIKE MASSIVE INFINITY TIMES MORE WORK TO RUN A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN.

YOU FROM ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TO GET TKING TURE TONS THE BALLOT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WORK 24-7 AROUND THE CLOCK TO GET SIGNATURESES, ARE YOU?

IF YOU ARE JAMES CRAIG SNAG NO.

NO.

YOU DON'T GET BETTER.

WELL.

I COVERED SUNS HE STARTED AS POLICE CHIEF IN DETROIT.

HE IS AT THE HOLLYWOOD THING?

>> WELL, THINK, THERE IS PART OF THAT.

YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, HE HAS THE EGO, I THINK THIS IS YOU KNOW, HE IS MARKETING THIS AS I AM A FIGHTER AND I WILL NOT GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT.

AND I THINK, IT IS, SOMEWHAT SAVING FOR HIM AS WELL.

TO HAVE ANOTHER DEFEAT?

>> WELL, JUST TO SAY, I AM NOT GOING TO BOW OUT HERE.

WILL NOT TAKE THIS HIT AND CALL IT QUITS.

AM NOT WITHER.

THEN, LOOK.

THE POLLS SHOW HE IS GETTING 7% AS A WRITE-IN.

SO DON'T WE WANT TO SEE HOW WELL WITH HE SNOWS HOW WELL THIS WORKS?

THIS IS GOING TO BE WHAT IS REALLY, I MEAN, THE NUMBERS STAY THE SAME.

WHAT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING IS HOW IT ACTUALLY SPLITS UP AMONG THIS NUMBER OF PRIMARY CANDIDATES.

>> YEAH.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, FOUR YEARS AGO IT WAS BRIAN AND BILL SCHUETTE AND ONLY TWO WAY.

IF YOU HAVE FOUR OR EVEN FIVE CANDIDATES WHO ARE ALL SPLITTING THAT GOES BACK TO YOU KNOW, 2019 AND RICK SNYDER SNEAKING OUT.

>> IT DEALS WITH 30% OF THE VOTE.

RIGHT.

THE MIKE COX AND PETE HOEKSTRA SPLIT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE AND MIKE BU CHARRED AND THERE WAS SOME SENSE EARLY ON THAT KEVIN RIGHT.

ALMOST LIKE THIS I DON'T WANT TO SAY MODERATE, MIDDLE, YOU NO ARE KNOW, WOULD GARRETT SOLDANO SPLIT AND YOU KNOW AMONG THE REALLY, REALLY REALLY CONSERVATIVE VOTERS.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE KNOW YET FOR THIS POLL.

ALL RIGHT.

DANA WAS BUSY WEEK AT THE CIVIL RIGHTS CONVENTION AND SHE WAS MAKE CONTROVERSIAL COMMENTS, KYLE?

>> YEAH.

SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT DRAG QUEENS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, AS WE KNOW IT.

CAN BE VERY CAN BE SOMEWHAT COMEDY.

SHE INSERTS COMEDY OR PERSONALITY, WHERE MAYBE IT COULD BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT OR PEOPLE DON'T APPRECIATE THE HUMOR AT THE TIME AND THAT HOIS SHE IS.

YOU SET UP OVER TIME AND AT THE CIVIL RIGHTS WERE THEY HAD SA FORM TO BRING IN CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS FROM ACROSS THE STATE TAU TO TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF SHORES THEN SHE WAS ON SA PANEL AND SHE BROUGHT UP A DRAG QUEENS THEN, THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE ACCEPTING AND THE GENERAL THRUST IS WE SHOULD BE MORE ACCEPTING TO THE LGBT COMMUNITY AND NOTHING WRONG WITH DRAG QUEEN AND MADE SA COMMENT ABOUT PUTTING DRAG QUEENS IN SCHOOLS WHICH SHE MADE WHICH TURNED AROUND AND GOTSOME.

HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU PER SEED TO BE FUNNY THESE DAY.

ABC LAY.

THE EXACT QUOTE WAS, A DRAG SO BUT DOES THAT.

>> DID SHE NOT THINK THE REPUBLICANS WOULD TAKE THAT AND RUN WITH IT?

WELL, SHE SAID WAS NOT POLL TESTED IN THE CONTEXT, TOO.

BUY THINK SHE FEELS SAFE.

SHE FEELS SAFE DOESN'T SHE?

SHE HAS HER BASE.

I THINK SHE FEELS YOU KNOW, I CAN THROW A LOT OF STUFF OUT THERE, AND I AM SAFE.

>> WE'LL SEE.

>> REPUBLICANS QUICKLY, I MEAN, ALMOST INSTANTLY ANDOUSLY AS SOON AS SOME AUDIO OF IT CAME OUT, WHERE WE ARE ALREADY TWEETING ABOUT IT.

I THINK THIS GOES THE BROADER CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND WITH CULTURE WARS.

RIGHT.

WE SAW GARRETT SOL DAN HE KNOW THERE WAS CLIP FROM YOUR VIDEO WHERE YOU PLAYED WE ARE IS MAKING FUN OF PRONOUNS RIGHT?

HE SAID MY PRONOUNS ARE CONSERVATIVE AND PATRIOT THEN THIS WEEK, WE SAW THIS FIGHT IN THE STATE SENATE ANDZ WITH A RESOLUTION DECLARING NOW, HE PRIDE MONTH IN MICHIGAN SOMETHING THAT WAS VOTED IN FAVOR YOU KNOW LAST YEAR AND THE EX AC SAME LANGUAGE AND THEY WANTED TO ADD LANGUAGE ABOUT GOD.

>> WELL RIGHT.

THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER WANTED TO CHANGE THE LAWN GAUGE AND IN THE RESOLUTION AND IT WAS THE SAME LANGUAGE THE LANGUAGE LAST YEAR WAS THE SAME LANGUAGE AS THIS YEAR RIGHT.

INSTEAD IT WENT INTO A COMMITTEE THAT REALLY, WHERE BILLS GO TO DIE RIGHT.

THINK A LARGER NARRATIVE AND AMERICANS REALLY DEALING WITH ECONOMIC ISSUES AND BEING SCARED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND REALLY DOWN ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHERE AMERICA IS A COUNTRY IS GOING AND YESTERDAY SO MUCH ATTENTION AND REALLY SMOKE AND INSTEAD OF FIRE ABOUT REALLY SEEMED TO BE MUCH SMALLER ISSUES BUT, BUT, GRABBEDDED THAT HELINE AND THE ATTENTION RIGHT NOW.

THE KEY WORD WITH IN HER REMARKS WERE SCHOOLS.

SCHOOLS ARE A SENSITIVE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

WITH WE SAW THIS IN VIRGINIA.

WAS IT NOT.

SO ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD FOCUS, FOCUS GROUP AND FOCUS GROUP BEFORE I GOT INTO DEPTH ABOUT TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS.

ANYTHING GOING ON HERE.

LET'S CALL IN PERRY JOHNSON.

HOW ARE YOU DOING, SIR?

>> FAN TALKINGS.

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> WE COULDN'T BRENT SIR.

IT IS NOT A YOU HAVE ONBOARD.

WHO IS THE CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR?

[LAUGHTER] >> RIGHT NOW SHALL I AM STILL THE CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR.

BUT THE REAL THINK IS I WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE TO RUN.

>> YOU HAVE MADE DECISION, SIR?

>> NO.

I HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE TALKING TO ME ABOUT THE WRITE-IN.

1:00 I KNOW THAT GOY INTO SOMETHING I WILL GO IN HEAVILY.

I HAVE A STRATEGY BUT IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY ABOUT A HALF DOZ STN MAILINGS AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO DO A TOWN HALL AND I WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE THE ADVERTISING AND BEEF THAT UP.

>> SO ARE YOU 50- THERE IS A 50-50 CHANCE YOU WILL RUN?

SPIS IT GREATER THAN THAT?

IS IT GREATER THAN THAT?

>> AH, WELL, WOULD YOU HAVE TO ASK MY WIFE THIS.

>> WELL, GET HER IN HERE.

WE'LL TALK TOKER .

NO, SIR, YOU TALKED TO HER.

SHE HAS TOLD YOU, YOU ARE NOT REALLY, YOU ARE CRAZY FOR DOING THIS, DIDN'T SHE?

>> SHE ALWAYS TOLD ME I WAS CRAZY TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

SHE, SHE SAID THAT IS HOR.

BUT ARE NOT GOING TO STAND IT.

THIS IS AWFUL.

THEN, AFTER ABOUT ONE MONTH, OF HAVING HER WITH ME, SHE LOVED.

ALL RIGHT.

DOES SHE WANT YOU TO BE A WRITE-IN?

DOES SHE WANT TO YOU BE A WRITE-IN?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE DNER TONIGHT, DISCUSS IT WITH SOME PEOPLE AND THEN WE WILL MAKE DECISION.

>> SO PROBABLY BY TOMORROW AND IF I AM GOING TO DO IT.

I HAVE TO GET GOING AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE, REALLY, NONSTOP, THIS WOULD BE A LITERALLY 24-HOUR A DAY JOB BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MASSIVE EFFORT.

IT US VERY SMALL IN A HAVE NOT HAPPENED TO DO IT BECAUSE NOBODY IS BOLLING AND THEY DID SOME POLL FORCE ME YESTERDAY AND SO I DO KNOW THAT I WOULD BE RIGHT WHERE YOU SAID CRAIG WAS AT 7% AND THE POLL WE HAD ONLY HAD THE PEOPLE AT 10%.

WE DIDN'T POLL EVERYTHING.

WE ONLY POLLED ONE OR TWO COUNTY.

THAT MEANS YOU HAVE A SHOT.

AND I GUESS WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE THERE IS NO QUAGMIRE.

IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MO MOST ARAISING RACE.

YOU ARE LEANING TOWARD A RUN WRITE-IN CAN DATE.

WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE, SIR?

>> THAT WOULD BE WITH ACCURATE.

1:00.

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> WHAT ARE YOUREST HEST TAKES ABOUT RUNNING AS WRITE-IN?

>> WELL THE PRAC ALLEGEDLITIVE WRITE-IN.

I DO HAVE AVENUE NOW WHICH WILL WORK YOU REALIZE THE PROCT IS EXCEEDINGLY SMALL.

BEFORE I HAD DONE THESE ANALYSIS ON IT.

I FIGURED THE PROCT WAS SUCH IT WOULD COST MEP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF BILLION 18 TO $20 MILLION.

BUT AFTER A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE SMELLING ON THE IDEA OF BEING A WRITE-IN.

I GUESS I CAN GET THE COST DOWN TO UNDER SEVEN.

SO I PROBABLY COULD DO IT FOR $7 MILLION.

BETWEEN NOW WITH AND AUGUST SECOND.

>> DOES THAT MEAN YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TV ADVERTISING THEN?

HOW MUCH ON TV DO YOU THINK YOU GOT TOT DO?

YES.

HALFLY.

YOU HAVE TO DO TV ADVERTISING EVERYTHING I SAID.

ARE THE MAILINGS.

WILL TAKE FIVE TO SIX MAILINGS.

YOU HAVE TO MAIL STUCKERS.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT.

YOU IS MAJOR EFFORT.

>> WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN GENERAL IN MICHIGAN RIGHT NOW, THAT ALL OF THE CANDIDATES JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE GAINING TRACTION AMONG MICHIGAN VOTERS BUT EVEN PARTICULARLY REPUBLICAN VOTERS?

>> WELL, KEEP IN MIND.

YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE I HAVE BEEN IN THE RAISINS FEBRUARY 13th.

I HAD GONE FROM NEAR ZERO TO 17.6% AND CRAIG, THAT TIME HE WAS AHEAD OF ME BUT DROPPED FROM 43 TO 20.8.

WHEN AD WHEN YOU GET THE TOP TWO PEOPLE OFF.

NOW BASICALLY STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

WHAT DOES THAT SAY THEN ABOUT WHERE REPUBLICANS GO FROM HERE STARTING FROM SCRATCH WITH LESS THAN 50 DAYS TO GO BEFORE THE PRIMARY.

I MEANS IT IS A FIERCE SPRINT.

IT IS A HORSE WAYS.

WHICH HAVE TO SEE WHO ENDS UP WITH THE SPRINT.

YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO RYAN KELLY.

HE DID WAS TO GET NAME I. DPT ABC NEWS BOOM.

HE IS OVER THERE LEADING.

IT IS REMARKABLE.

>> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU.

YOU MARKETED YOURSELF AS THEHE QUALITY GURU AND SEEMS IRON TAKE THIS THE WHEEL WAS FALL OFF AND YOU HAD THE FRAUD WITH THE PETITION SUG TURES AND BREAKING NEWS, WE FINALLY FOUND SOME ELECTION FRAUD AND THE PROCESS OF BOTH SIDES CAN AGREE ON THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS.

BUT THAT ASIDE, YOU SPENT 7 MILLION IN THE SOL FAR.

RIGHT.

YOU A BUSINESS MAN.

WHAT'S THE LAST TIME YOU SAW $7 MILLION GO DOWN THE DRAIN WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

WELL WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR UT.

NOT VERY OF TEP.

I WOULDN'T THAT I HAVES NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

I DID LARN A LOT.

I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS.

I BLAINE CAN HONESTLY, SAY DESPITE THE FACT I AM OUT ON THE BALLOT, YOU KNOW, I HIRED JOHN AND 3:00 WITHOUT HIM WIRE NEVER HAVE BEEN WHERE I WAS.

HE'S THE PERSON THAT HIRED PA TRICIAN NERS AND HE'S THE ONE AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT HAD THE FRAUD EVEN AT THIS POINT.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO SUE BUT WHEN I WENT TO SEE YOU FOUND OUT I HAD NO CONTRACT WITH THAT COMPANY THE CONTRACT WAS WITH HIM.

WE'LL HAVE TO JOINTLY DO THIS.

EN RELAL WILL YOU TY IS, NOBODY CAUGHT THE FRAUD, THE REASON NOBODY CAUGHT IT.

THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE VOTER FILES.

AND THEY WERE CLEVER IN WHICH THEY DID.

AND I NOTE IN THE AULT TOW INDUSTRY THEY OUTED TO TRY TO GET QUALITY BY 100% OF.

IT DOESN'T WORK.

BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT HUNDREDS YOU CAN CHECK TO SEE.

WHILE IN THING TURE LOOKS LIKE.

YOU MAY FIND SOMETHING THAT IS BAD YOU MAY MISS IT AND YOU TALK A LOOK AT THE TWO SHEETS THEY GAVE AS AN EXAMPLE THAT I FOUND AND I LOOKED AT THEM A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

THEN THEY DECIDE OAKLAND ALL THE WAY DOWN.

THAT WAS HOW THEY CAUGHT.

THEY CAUGHT IT BECAUSE OF THE VOTER FILE BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN LOOK AT.

YOU I HAD MY FRIENDS ACTUALLY WRITE THE OAKLAND ALL THE WAY DOWN AND OAKLAND COUNTY.

THEN, THEY WERE PRN I.

YOU KNOW, THEY DID THAT AND FILLED IT.

YOU SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT PROTOSSED FOO IN A AS BEESEAS FRAUD SO JOHN DID HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING A IT?

BUT THE REALITY IS HE MISSED IT?

WELL, MR. JOHNSON, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PUT A FINER POINT ON THE THINKING HERE.

YOU SID A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO YOU ARE LEARNING TOWARD IT.

LET ME ASK THIS YOU.

CAN YOU THINK OF A REASON WHY YOU WON A DO A WRITE-IN CAN DAUT?

I WELL, THE REASON IT MAY NOT MAKE SINCE GETTING EVERYONE INVOLVED THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOMEN TAKE TO GET EVERYTHING YOU UP AND RUN.

WE ONLY HAVE SIX OR SEVEN WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION IT MAY TAKE A WEEK THAT MAKES IT SIX WEEKS THE BALLOTS ARE GOING OUT IN TWO WEEKS THIS E ARE OUT EARLY.

I HAVE AH IDEA OF WHAT TO DO NO VA TEAM THAT COULD DO IT.

I HAVE TO MAKE STONES ME.

WHEN HE LOOK AT IT ALL.

sTHERE TRYING TO SELL ME.

THEY COME UP WITH THE NUMBER $7 MILLION IT MAY BE $10 MILLION OR $12 MILLION.

RACE IT WORTH SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY WHEN IT IS NOT GREATER THAN 40 TO.

>> PERCENT EVEN WITH EVERYTHING THAT I TOLD YOU.

>> WHY ARE YOU LEANING TOWARD DOING SUBMIT WELL, PROBABLY BECAUSE THE FACT THAT I STARTED OUT AT SOMETHING.

IN MY LIFE, I DON'T THINK I HAVE FAIL AT ANYTHING.

WOULD WITH BE THE FIRST TIME I FAILED.

DIDN'T EVEN GET ON THE BALLOT I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SUCCEED.

>> THAT SOUNDING LIKE YOU HAD TO DO WITH YOU PERSONALLY TO DO ANYTHING FOR MICHIGAN VOTERS.

MY WHOLE GOAL IS TO FIX THINGS.

THE FACT THAT MICHIGAN DOES NEED TO GET FIXED.

AND IT IS A GREATER FEELING AND MORE RE WARDING THAN IT YOU WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF.

NOTHING GIVES YOU THE JOY YOU GET FROM THE CHILDREN.

NOTHING GIVES THINK JOY YOU GET AND MORE VAGGABLE INSIDE AND DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

WHOS THE THEY?

THEY TRYING TO CONVINCE TO YOU RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

WHO ARE THEY?

THEY MADE IT A POINT BUY HAD TO SAY THAT I COULD NOT SAY ANYTHING.

BUT GENERALLY.

ARE THESE FRINS OR BUSINESS LEADERS?

1:00 JUST GENERALLY WHAT CAN YOU SAY.

I WOULD STRAY ARE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE PUBLIC AND MR. JOHNSON, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK THAT PROGRAM YOUR BODY LANGUAGE SIR, YOUR BODY LANGUAGE ONLY THE QUESTION ON WHO THEY ARE I ASSUME THAT ONE MAY BE THE REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN?

NO.

NO.

I DON'T THINK SAID ANYTHING TO ME ABOUT THAT.

NO.

I KNOW RON QUITE WELL.

WHAT'S THE SECRET?

EYE PROMISED I WOULDN'T.

WHY DID YOU PROMISE.

WHY DID THEY HAVE TO BE HIDDEN, SIR.

IT IS POLITICAL.

AS WE LOOKED THAT POLL THAT CAME THOUGHT WEEK SINCE RYAN KELLY'S INCIDENT, WHICH IS IT HELPFUL FOR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES IN GENERAL TO HAVE BEEN AT VIOLENT INSURRECTION THE JANUARY 6th?

[LAUGHTER] I GUESS IT GIVES NAME I.D.

WELL, WHAT I FOUND THE MOST INTERESTING OF ALL.

THAT WAS THE MOST INTERESTING THING.

WHAT IS CURIOUS ABOUT THE DAY THAT HAPPENED TO ALSO BE THE DAY OF THE JN A TONIGHT THE FIRST DAVE THE HEARINGS LAST THURSDAY THEN MORE IT SEEM LIKE POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT OR POSITIVE THING AMONG REPUBLICANS YOU ARE GETTING NAME I.D.

BEING IRASED BY THE FBI FOR BEING IN A VIOLENT INSURRECTION?

WELL, THINK, IT WAS, WAS IT PRESIDENT TRUMP THAT SAID THAT ANY KIND OF PUBLICITY IS GOOD?

>> ON THAT NOTE WE'LL JUST TAKE A PAUSE HERE AND BE BACK OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS SO STAY TUNED RIGHT THERE AND WE'LL BE BACK AND GO TO WKAR.

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