♪WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL CORRESPONDENTOSE EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD."

A BUDGET STALEMATE IN THE WORKS AND BACK TO NORMAL SAYS THE GOVERNOR ON THE OTR PAJ: JIM KIERTZNER CHAD LIVENGOOD, EMILY LAWLER, AND ZOE CLARK.

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THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.

>> WELCOME BACK TO "OFF THE RECORD."

WE ARE TAPING ON WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK.

IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOU ON BOARD.

EVERYTHING WILL PROBABLY BE DATED BY FRIDAY.

THAT'S SHOWS BIZ.

WE HAVE EMILY AND JIM AND ZOE AND CHAD.

THE GOVERNOR SAYS CELEBRATE.

MOST OF THE RESTRICTIONS ARE GONE.

HOW IS MICHIGAN DOING?

>> YEAH, WELL BASICALLY THIS IS SORT OF THE IN-PERSON ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I THINK A LOT OF US WERE SURPRISED THAT WE DIDN'T SEE LAST THURSDAY.

RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

>> A RELEASE THAT CAME OUT, A WRITTEN STATEMENT SAYING, WE WILL OPEN UP.

A LITTLE LIKE, WHAT?

THIS IS HOW YOU ARE DROPPING THIS?

YES.

ON TUESDAY, WE SAW THE GOVERNOR.

WE SAW THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, DOCTOR CALDOUN.

MIKE DUGGIN IN DETROIT BASICALLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, MITCHGAN SUMMER IS HERE.

AND THE GOVERNOR WAS ASKED, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS JULY 1ST DEADLINE.

BEFORE THAT, YOU HAD A 70% VACCINE RATE AS SORT OF YOUR HOPEFULNESS.

AND SHE SAID, WE ARE PIVOTING.

THE DATA SHOW WE CAN OPEN UP.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

POLITICALLY, IT DOESN'T HURT TO DO IT EARLY AND IT DOESN'T HURT PARTICULARLY TO MAKE SURE FOLKS FEEL, AS THE GOVERNOR SAID, SUMMER IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE NORMAL AS FOLKS GET READY TO CELEBRATE JULY 4TH.

>> ISN'T SAY WE ARE BACK TO NORMAL AND FEELING BACK TO NORMAL TO DO WITH DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THINGS?

>> NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

I CALLED IT LAST WEEK WHEN THAT NEWS RELEASE CAME OUT, AND E-MAILED THE END OF PROHIBITION BECAUSE WE HAD BUSINESSES LOCKED DOWN FOR 15 MONTHS.

ABSOLUTELY.

WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 61.2% VACCINATION RATE IN # INDEX#, IT'S A DISMISSAL 37% HERE IN THE CITY OF DETROIT, WHICH MEANS THIS COULD VERY WELL BE ANOTHER HOTSPOT VERY SOON.

EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THIS DELTA VARIANT, ONE IN FIVE FIVE NEW CASES NATIONALLY NOW WITH THIS DELTA VARIANT.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WITH THE FOURTH OF JULY WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE GATHERING?

ARE WE GOING TO SEE NUMBERS SHOOT BACK UP?

AFTER WE TRACK A LOT OF THESE LIFTING OF THE RESTRICTIONS.

>> EMILY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> LOOK.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE SORT OF REACHED A NATURAL STOPPING POINT FOR PEOPLE REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO AND INTERNALIZING THESE GUIDELINES NO MATTER WHAT.

I THINK THE GOVERNOR WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD-PRESSED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CONTINUING THESE HERE, A NEW ROUND OF RESTRICTIONS, PERHAPS, RELATED TO THE DELTA VARIANT OR ANYTHING ELSE.

I REALLY DO THINK PEOPLE ARE SORT OF CONFUSED, VACCINATED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE SAYING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES AS UNVACCINATED PEOPLE.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE NO STATEWIDE SYSTEM FOR TELLING WHO IS VACCINATED OR WHO IS NOT.

SO THAT'S SORT OF AN HONOR SYSTEM AT THIS POINT.

I THINK THE GOVERNOR, YOU KNOW, WAS SMART TO SORT OF LOOK AT THAT LANDSCAPE AND SAY -- AND, ALSO, OUR INCREDIBLY LOW CASE NUMBERS, I THINK RIGHT NOW, UNDER 1 ON 0 CASES YESTERDAY REPORTED FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT I CAN RECALL IN THE LAST 15 MONTHS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR SORT OF LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE FACTORS.

IT DID MAKE SENSE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, MITCHGAN, ENJOY YOUR SUMMER.

>> IT WAS JUNE OF 2020 WAS THE LAST TIME WE WERE BELOW 100 AND THE POSITIVITY RATE IS HOVERING AROUND 2%.

THEY WANT IT TO BE A 3%.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

BUT CHAD, THE REPUBLICANS WERE QUICK TO SAY THE GOVERNOR, YEAH, WHAT YOU DID WAS RIGHT, BUT IT WAS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE.

>> WELL, YEAH.

THEY DID.

A FEW MONTHS AGO, I WROTE THAT THE GOVERNOR HAD 10 BILLION REASONS WHY TO START LIFTING RESTRICTIONS.

THERE IS ALL OF THIS MONEY, THE BOJ ANSWERS A VARIETY OF FEDERAL STIMULUS MONEY AND LO AND BEHOLD, STARTS LIFTING RESTRICTIONS, HAS A BIG, HUGE PRESS CONFERENCE ON THE DALH DIAMOND IN MIDLAND AND "THE END IS NEAR JULY 1ST.

"WE WILL RIP THE MASKS OFF.

AND 50% AND THAT HAPPENED AND THEN THE CASE RATES JUST PLUMMETED.

I MEAN, WE WERE DOWN INTO THE LOW 100S.

AND HAVEN'T SEEN CASES LIKE THIS SINCE LAST JUNE AND WE ARE TESTING MORE AND AT THE SAME TIME, THE POSITIVETY RATE IS DOWN AND THEN REPUBLICANS KIND OF RESPONDED WITH, HEY, LET'S PASS SOME MONEY.

LET'S DO THE MONEY.

THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO BE SIGNING THIS $2.2 BILLION OF VARIOUS COVID-RELIEF FUNDS.

SOME LEFT OVER FROM THE DECEMBER STIMULUS, SOME FROM THE MARCH.

THEY HAD DEADLINE.

THEY HAD TO SPEND IT.

NOW, THE CURRENT QUESTION IS: CAN THEY GET TOGETHER AND ACTUALLY DO THE BIG BUDGET DEAL, DO THE BIG GRAND BARGAIN HERE AND SPEND ALL OF THE EXTRA BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND MEET THEIR OWN DEADLINE.

LEGISLATURE, INCLUDING SENATE MAJORITY MIKE SCHOOKIE HAD THE BUDGET PASSED.

THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO BLOW PAST IT AT THIS HOUR.

>> LET'S PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE.

>> THAT'S -- THAT'S A SQUISHY DEADLINE.

OKAY?

ITSELF-IMPOSED.

IT WILL NOT END ON JULY 1ST.

EVERYBODY ON THIS PANEL WILL WRITE A NASTY STORY ABOUT HOW LAWMAKERS MISSED ANOTHER DEADLINE.

ON JULY 2ND, EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.

PART OF THE PROBLEM ON THIS BUDGET, AND THANKS FOR THE SEGUE, CHAD, IS THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE SAYING: WE ARE NOT BEING TREATED FAIRLY WITH THIS FEDERAL MONEY.

SOME ARE GETTING A BOATLOAD AND OTHERS ARE NOT.

HERE IS THE SETUP PIECE ON THAT TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION.

>> WE ARE STILL KEEPING PRESSURE ON THE LEGISLATURE AND ON THE LEADERS.

>> HERE IS WHY SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS AND SCHOOL BOARDS ARE TURNING UP THE HEAT ON REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS TO CHANGE THEIR OPINION ON THIS STATE AID.

WHEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION LAST DECEMBER SENT FEDERAL COVID DOLLARS TO MITCHGAN, LAWMAKERS THEN INCLUDED AN ACROSS-THE-BORDEN CREASE FOR EVERY PUPIL AT $450 PER FERN.

BUT NOW, STATE LAWMAKERS ARE CLOSE TO FINALIZING ANOTHER 4.2 BILLION FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR THE SCHOOLS, YOU BUT THE SO-CALLED EQUITY GRANT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE MEASURE WITH THE BULK OF THE MONEY EARMARKED FOR DISADVANTAGED CHILDREN INSTEAD.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOOT SCHOOLS WOULD GET $42,000 PER PUPIL.

IN DETROIT, $26,000 PER PUPIL BUT IN MORE WELL-TO-DO DISTRICTS, THE NUMBER COULD BE AROUND $200.

>> A HANDFUL OF DISTRICTS AFFIRMATIVE GOING TO GET ADDS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT ADDS GOOD OF NEWS TO THEM.

>> THE CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE IS ACCUSING THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS OF QUOTE BLOWING UP" THE PACKAGE OVER THIS FEDERAL AID.

THE EQUITY GRANT WOULD BE 1,093 PER PUPIL.

THE SENATOR ARGUES $362 MILLION SHOULD BE SAVED FOR OTHER PROGRAMS DOWN THE ROAD.

>> YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A NUMBER OF DISTRICTS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN -- I WOULDN'T SAY COUNTING ON IT -- BUT ANTICIPATING THOSE RESOURCES TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BILL THAT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO COUNT ON THAT.

>> HOWEVER, IT APPEARS THAT THE INTENTION LOW BACKING IS PAYING OFF AS HOUSE REPUBLICANS APPEAR TO TREAT EVERY STUDENT THE SAME AND THEY CLAIM TO HAVE SUPPORT AMONG SOME SENATE REPUBLICANS.

SO, THE BATTLE OVER HOW MUCH FEDERAL AID GOES HO TO HOW MANY STUDENTS REMAINS AN INTENSE LOW BACKING EFFORT IN OUR TOWN.

>> THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL STORY BECAUSE IT UNDERSCORES POWER OF SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS AROUND THE STATE OF MITCHGAN.

THIS IS A STORY POLITICALLY THAT OFTEN GETS LOST.

THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT'S LOCALLY HAVE A LOT POWER AND SWAY, PARTICULARLY WITH LAWMAKERS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

SO IS THERE AN EQUITY PROBLEM HERE WITH THIS PACKAGE?

EMILY?

>> YEAH.

SO I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO SORT OF UNDERLINE WHAT ACTUALLY -- OR UNDERMINE -- EXCUSE ME -- WHAT COULD ACTUALLY BE A HUGE EQUITY BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT THE GOVERNOR IS REALLY PROUD OF THAT SHE HAS PROPOSED CERTAINLY BE AND THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS LOOKING AT IS FINALLY ELIMINATING THAT GAP BETWEEN THE HIGHEST AND LOWEST FUNDED DISTRICTS ON A PER-POOUNL BUSINESS.

>> THAT'S A LOT LESS IMPACTFUL IF YOU REINSTATE SOME SORT OF GAP WITH THIS STIMULUS FUNDING WHICH IS ONE-TIME AND LIKELY WOULDN'T BE BUILT INTO GOING FORWARD BUDGETS BUT FROM A MESSAGING STANDPOINT, EQUITY WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE AT THIS POINT.

>> CHAD, IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN IN A SWING DISTRICT AND YOUR SUPERINTENDENT IS ANGRY AT YOU, DO YOU WANT TO GO HOME SAYING I GAVE YOU 200 BUCKED WHEN I COULD HAVE GIVENING YOU 26THOU?

>> A SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT AND LOCAL HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATE OFFER ARE THE MOST POWERFUL IN THE EARS OF FIRST-TERM STATE REPS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND TYPICALLY ALL OF THE MECHANICS OF THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW.

THEY ARE NOT -- THEY ARE NOT VERSED IN PROPA.

THEY WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE CHRISTMAS EVE 1993 DEAL.

>> A STEAM PEOPLE HAVE TO NAVIGATE.

DISTRICTS IN OAKLAND COUNTY IN PARTICULAR AND WAYNE COUNTY WHERE FROM BYRNE ROW TO THE NEXT AND STATE FUNDING FOR KIDS IS A $2,000 SWING.

ON THESE MEASURES TO TRY TO BOOST THESE FUNDING FOR PARTICULARLY FOR THE URBAN SCHOOLS.

THEY HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY UNDERFUNDED, PROPERTY TAX BASE OR BIRMINGHAM, TRYING TO CORRECT THAT BUT GETTING THE VOTES FOR THIS IS TRICKY AS I AM SURE SPEAKER WENT WORTH IS FINDING OUT.

THIS IS NOT JUST SOMETHING YOU CAN GO IN THE CAUCUS ROOM AND TAP 56 NOSES AND SAY YOU ARE VOTING FOR THIS.

THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS.

>> I AM STILL CATCHING UP FROM MY SLEEP FROM 1993.

Z, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE RESOLVED?

>> WELL, I MEAN I THINK ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT THEY KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE RESOLVED OR THAT THEY KNOW THAT THE BUNLTD IS GOING TO BE DONE BY JULY 1ST HAS A 50/50% CHANCE OF JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW IT'S WRONG.

>> WHY DON'T YOU ASK ALEXA WHO IS GOING TO WIN THIS 50% CHANCE OF GETTING IT WRONG WE WERE THINKING OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS, PARTICULARLY LAST WEEK, AS CHAD SAID EARLIER, THESE RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, FEARING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO AWAY AND, LO AND BEHOLD, IT SEEMED MAYBE THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MOMENT OF COLLABORATION.

WE KNOW THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET TO BE PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AND THEN ON TUESDAY, THE GOVERNOR SOUNDED MORE PESSIMISTIC, TALKING AGAIN ABOUT NEEDING REPUBLICANS TO COME TO THE TABLE, THAT SHE CAN ONLY IBVITE THEM TO THE TABLE.

RIGHT?

YOU HAVE CHAIR ALBERT STILL SOMEWHAT HOPEFUL BUT YOU HAVE SOME SAYING, I AM NOT HOLDING MY BREATH AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THIS AGAIN, SHOCKER, IS POLITICAL THE.

DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS GOVERNOR A BI-PARTISAN WHEN EARLY IN THE SUMMER BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE GOES ON, YOU KNOW, THEIR SUMMER RECESS AND SHE CAN SPEND THE SUMMER SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS OPEN AND WE HAVE GOT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, PUMPING BACK INTO THE STATE.

>> WHAT'S YOUR TAKE.

>> I AM NOT AS CLOSE TO ALL OF YOU GUYS IN LANSING WATCHING THE PREMISES.

I CAN TELL YOU THIS HAS BEEN A DECADES LONG, HAVES AND THE HAVE-NOTS, THE POOR DISTRICTS, THE DETROIT DON'T HAVE WHAT THE RICH SUBURBS HAVE HERE IN METRO DETROIT.

THEY ARE GOING TO ARGUE TO GET SOME OF THIS MONEY.

IT'S A ONE-TIME?

>> WITH THE FEDERAL DOLLARS, AND THE POLITICS ARE CERTAINLY INVOLVED.

DUE TO THE REPUBLICANS, I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT TONE.

DOT REPUBLICANS WANT TO GIVE THIS GOVERNOR A BI-PARTISAN WIN GOING IN TO THIS SUMMERND, ALSO, A YEAR OUT OF THIS ELECTION.

>> I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, EACH I WOULD HAVE LAW MAKE ARE WILL DO THE CALCULUS BASED ON HIS OR HER DISTRICT AND GIVING THE GOVERNOR A WIN MAY PALE IN COMPARISON.

>> DEPENDING ON WHAT DISTRICT THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN WHETHER OR NOT DISTRICT WILL THESE LAWMAKERS BE IN.

>> CHAD, LET'S TURN THE PAGE TO THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT.

THE RACE IS GOING ON, ISN'T IT.

>> IT IS.

CRAIG, NOW, FORMER RETIRED POLICE CHIEF OF DETROIT, SEEMS LIKE I SEE A NEW QUOTE EVERY MORNING IN OAKLAND COUNTY, CLEARLY OUT BELITTLE SOME SUPPORT HE WAS NOT DECLARED FOR GOVERNOR.

OUT OF WORK HERE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR GOVERNOR.

>> I THINK THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY THERE.

I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO BE ALL OF THAT COMPETITIVE AS WE WRAP UP THE ESTABLISHMENT MONEY BELT.

RIGHT NOW, IT'S REALLY THE BILL YON AIR'S PRIMARY RIGHT NOW.

BASICALLY SORT OF COMPETING.

POTENTIALLY FUND YOUR SUPER PAC.

SALDANO OR THE CHIROPRACTOR FROM KALAMAZOO AT THIS POINT.

THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO CHIEF JAMES CRAIG.

>> YES, BUT JAMES INCREASINGLY, WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO A GUY NAMED KEVIN RINKE.

THERE IS A GUY FROM THE PAST IF YOU GREW UP IN MCCOMB COUNTY.

WHAT'S THE BUZZ >> YOUR LISTENING POST?

>> GO AHEAD, JIM.

>> WELL, YEAH.

AT THIS POINT, JAMES CRAIG IS SUCKING ALL OF THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ROOM.

EVERYBODY IS WAITING FOR HIM TO FORMALLY ANNOUNCE AND THEN WHEN HE DOES, HE IS GOING TO BE FACED WITH HOW MUCH DID HE SUPPORT TRUMP?

HE HAS ANNOUNCED HE IS A REPUBLICAN AND HE HAS GONE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE TOUGH QUESTIONS AND THAT LITMUS TEST, AND HE'S SURE GETTING BRIEFED BEHIND THE SCENES RIGHT NOW AND GETTING HIS PLAYBOOK, GETTING HIS TALKING POINTS READY SO HE WILL ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE.

BUT I SEE THINK EVERYBODY IS WAITING TO SEE THAT SHOE DROP BEFORE THEY ARE READY TO MOVE ON.

TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER PEOPLE.

>> EMILY, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?

>> I AM JIM'S NAME WOULD BE THE BIGGEST SO FAR.

IT IS CURIOUS WE ARE NOT HEARING OTHER BILL WELL, ESTABLISHED NAMES, AND SORT OF WONDERING IF VANS ARE SEEING INTERNAL POLLING ARE WRITED, AND IT NOT THINKING THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ELECTION THEY WANT TO RISK A POLITICAL CAREER ON.

THE PEOPLE WE ARE HEARING GET INTO THE RATES AT THIS POINT ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A POLITICAL CAREER AT THIS JUNCTURE' OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE JAMES CRAIG WHO BIG NAMES IN OTHER REGARDS, NOT POLITICS, AND I GUESS THE BUSINESSMEN YOU MENTIONED.

SO YOU REALLY DO WONDER, SORT OF, WHY THE FIELD IS SHAPING UP THIS WAY AND IF WE WILL SEE A MORE TRADITIONAL CANDIDATE EMERGE.

BUT HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, TIME IS SORT OF TICKING IF YOU WANT TO LOCK UP THOSE DOLLARS.

>> LOOK.

TAKE THIS TO THE BANK: WISER -- OKAY?

-- WOULD LIKE TO ORCHESTRATE ON ONE-PERSON PRIMARY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

ONE T SAVES A BOAT LOAD OF MONEY FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION.

2, SOMEBODY ELSE IN A FIELD, REPUBLICAN FIELD, IS NOT BEATING UP ON THE GUY YOU WANT TO BE GOVERNOR AND THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRETED IS ROD WISENER WANTS JAMES CRAIG TO BE THE NOMINEE.

RIGHT, Z?

>> RIGHT.

WE HAVE TALKED EMPLOY BEFORE, LET'S REMEMBER IN THE PRIMARY THAT ALLOWED RICK SCHNEIDER TO WIN BECAUSE TWO CONSERVATIVES SPLIT THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE.

RON WISER WAS CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

YES HE WANTS THIS LOCKED UP.

THERE ARE SO MAJOR QUOTE UNQUOTES: SUCCESSFUL FIRST.

ONE WORD.

JOHN JAMES SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN WHETHER OR NOT HE IS GOING TO TRY A HAT TRICK OF RUNNING AGAIN.

EMILY'S POINTED, I ME KRAVRNINGZ CAN CONTRIBUTE TO SAY THAT THEY FEEL LIKE WHITNER IS WOUNDED AFTER THIS PANDEMIC AND BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY BUT THE FACT IS IF YOU WERE FEELING GOOD ABOUT YOUR CANDIDATE, YOU WOULD HAVE THEM OUT RIGHT NOW.

WHITNER RUNNING IN JANUARY, '17 MARK SHOUWER, MAY OF 2013.

SO WE ARE WELL PAST ANY OF THOSE DATES.

>> JIM AND I HAVE HAD A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH.

DO YOU BELIEVE CAN DIS MILLER WILL NOT RUN FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNING.

>> I HAVE COME TO YOUR WAY OF THINKING.

SHE SAID SHE IS VERY COMFORTABLE WHERE SHE IS.

MCCOMB COUNTY AND WORKS COMMISSIONER.

SHE IS IN HER SECOND TERM AND SHE HAS NO DESIRE TO WORK ON HARD ON A CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

FOR LOU TECHNIANT GOVERNOR.

>> NO.

NO.

NO.

NO.

NO.

IT'S NOT WIN.

IT'S.

>> A FORMER I DON'T KNOW OTHER THAN EATS GOT NAME RECOGNITION THAT CARRIES SOME WEIGHT.

TO THINK ABOUT POLITICS.

AS FOR CANDACE MILLER, MCCOMB COUNTY POLITICS I THINK SHE HAS GOTTEN REAL COMFORTABLE IN THAT JOB.

YOU CAN HOP ON YOUR CELL PHONE AND THAT'S A LOT MORE APPEALING.

>> PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME IF SHE HAS MORE POTENTIAL.

I GOT HIS PHONE NUMBER.

I TALKED TO THIS GUY ON THE PHONE.

RE ADMITTED HE HAS NEVER SEEN "OFF THE RECORD."

PRESSURE NANCE PAUSE, YEAH.

AND PEOPLE IN # INDEX#, OKAY.

I AM STILL WAITING LIGHTS TALK TO -- >> WAIT A MINUTE.

>> HE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

HE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE NOW HAS SAID.

>> EMILY.

>> I THINK DETROIT NEWS.

>> HE IS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING WHAT EVERYTHING IS CONSIDERING THE JULY 1ST DEADLINE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERIOUS INJURIES >> THE STATE CAPITOL TO MAKE 11TH HOUR CHANGES, THE CAPITOL PRESS CORPS.

>> A QUICK OVERVIEW ENTER THE 2019 LAW HAD A TWO-12E PROCESS, IN 2020, PEOPLE THE SECOND AND PUT INTO TRYING TO CONTAIN THE COST OF MEDICAL COVERAGE.

THE FEE SCHEDULE FOR PROVIDERS THAT 55 PERCENT OF THE CAP REPRESENTED WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CHARGE IN THE PAST KICKS OFF ON JULY 2ND AND THE COURT ARGUING THAT'S GOING TO PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.

AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THOUSANDS AND PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS AND PEOPLE ON VENTILATORS THAT WILL NEED TO MOVE OUT OF THESE FACILITIES INTO A NURSING HOME AND SO THAT THERE IS A REAL FEAR THERE IS A REAL CRISIS ABOUT TO HAPPEN WITH THE HEALTHCARE SENTOR IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS TRY TO LOW BACK.

IT RESTS WITH HOUSE SPEAKER JASON WENTWORTH ONE OF THE AUTHORS THE IT SENATE MAIBT LEADER.

THE GOVERN IS CALLING FOR A CHANGE AND THEY ARE SLOWLY MOVING ALONG.

NOT REALLY MAKING ANY.

>> ZOE, THE SPEAKER ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK THAT HE'S THINKING ABOUT CREATING A $10 MILLION EMERGENCY FUND.

WILL THAT FLY.

>> HE WOULD HAVE CAN JUMPED ON.

AND BAKER SAYING THIS IS A PROBLEM.

>> I CERTAINLY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE NUMBERS IN THE BOOKS, BUT I SEE MEAN I DON'T KNOW OF $10 MILLION IS GOING TO GET YOU VAR FAR AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IS GOING TO SAVE THE SITUATION IN ITS AS DIRE AS IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS.

>>.

I'M SORRY, CHAD THE.

>> I DON'T MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.

>> UH-HUH.

>> IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME NOR CATASTROPHIC CLAIMS IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT SENSE.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.

FEWER THAN 18,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE RELYING ON THESE FUNDS FOR THEIR CARE WHETHER IT'S EVEN DECADES.

OF WE HAVE FAMILIES SCRAMBLING.

I KNOW OF ONE CASE.

>> WE WILL LEARN MORE EVERY DAY.

>> JULY.

>> WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND WHAT THEY DID.

>> SOMETHING AWFULLY POETIC ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE LAST TIME GOVERN WHITMER HAVING ANY KIND OF EMBRACE BI-PARTISAN WAS ON MACKINAW ISLAND SIGNING THIS BILL.

>> WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE.

THIS IS A TICKING TIME BOTTOM STORY THAT WILL TICK AWAY.

THANKS FOR A GREAT PANEL RIDE HERE, WE WILL SEE YOU THEN.

>> PRODUCTION OF "OFF THE RECORD" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE FOLLOWING: BIDS LEADERS FOR MITCHGAN.

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