[ MUSIC ] >> WELCOME BACK, OUR GUEST THIS WEEK IS DETROIT REPRESENTATIVE TENISHA YANCY, CHAIR OF THE LEGISLATIVE CAUCUS, THE DEBATE OVER COVID NURSING DETAILS CONTINUES.

ON THE PANEL: SITTING WITH US AS WE GET THE INSIDE OUT OFF THE RECORD.

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AND NOW THIS EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD.

>> WELCOME BACK TO OFF THE RECORD AND NICE TO HAVE YOU ONBOARD.

HOPE YOUR WEEKEND IS GOING WELL AND EVERYBODY IS SAFE OF WE HAVE A GREAT PANEL WITH US, DAVID AND JIM AND JORDAN AND JORDAN, WE HAD A HEARING WITH THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, VERY BUSY AND TAKING TESTIMONY ON THE ISSUE OF DID GOVERNOR WHITMER'S ADMINISTRATION UNDERCOUNT COVID CASES IN NURSING HOMES?

WHAT DID WE MAKE OF THAT?

>> WELL, I MEAN IT WAS BASICALLY DIRECTOR ELIZABETH HERTEL OF THE DHS IS ADAMANT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

SHE CAME OUT AGAINST THE DEADLINE DETROIT AND THE BRIDGE ARTICLE, WHICH BASICALLY CERTIFIED THAT WE COULD BE, THE STATE COULD BE UNDERCOUNTING COVID-19 DETAILS IN NURSING HOMES BY A RATHER LARGE AMOUNT AND SHE BASICALLY CAME OUT AND SAID SHE FELT THOSE STORIES WERE INACCURATE AND LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES SUCH AS FOSTER CARE AND HOMES FOR THE AGED, THEY COULD NOT BE REPORTING OR UNDERREPORTING THEIR COVID-19 DETAILS.

SO WHAT BRIDGE AND DEADLINE DETROIT ASSERTED SHE BELIEVED WAS SOMEWHAT INACCURATE AND DID GET SIGNIFICANT PUSHBACK FROM THE PANEL ON THAT, ESPECIALLY THE OVERSIGHT CHAIR.

>> THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

DAVID, THIS IS AN INTERESTING STORY BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO BEAT THIS DRUM THAT THERE WAS AN UNDERCOUNT AND SHE BASICALLY SAID YESTERDAY, I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> LET'S BE SPECIFIC HERE.

SHE MADE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN NURSING HOMES AND LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES BROADLY SPEAKING.

NOW, THIS HEARING IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT NURSING HOPES AND SHE SAID SHE TRUSTS THE NURSING HOMES ARE GIVING THE STATE ACCURATE DATA.

WHEN WE SEE NURSING HOME DEATHS, THAT'S BEING REPORTED BY THE ACTUAL FACILITIES THEMSELVES AND SHE SAID THOSE FACILITIES HAVE NO REASON TO LIE.

WHEN YOU TRUST THE FACILITIES ARE REPORTING AN ACCURATE NUMBER OF COVID-19 DEATHS.

BUT SHE DID SAY THE SMALLER FACILITIES, LIKE JORDAN SAID, ARE NOT REQUIRED TO REPORT AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW IF THEY'RE REPORTING ALL OF THESE DEATHS.

THIS IS PART OF THE BROADER CONCEPT, THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE PUSHING, THAT THE GOVERNOR'S POLICIES LED TO LOTS OF PEOPLE IN LONG TERM CARE FACILITIES DYING.

NO ONE HAS PRESENTED ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN A POLICY AND SOMEBODY DYING, BUT IT HAS NOT STOPPED THE REPUBLICANS FROM BEATING THAT DRUM FOR A WHILE.

>> WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING A COMMERCIAL, EVIDENCE IS NOT PART OF THE EQUATION, RIGHT?

JIM, YOUR TAKE ON WHAT WE LEARNED OR DIDN'T LEARN.

>> I THINK WE'RE IN THAT BOAT.

WHAT WE DON'T KNOW WE DON'T KNOW.

AND MY CONCERN, THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ROLLING DISCLOSURE LIKE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE GOVERNOR AND HER TRIP TO FLORIDA AND IT'S GOING TO BE INCH BY INCH BY INCH.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LEARN MORE.

YOU GUYS ARE CLOSER TO THE PROCESS UP THERE IN DETROIT.

AND IS THE AUDITOR GENERAL GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US MORE ON THE PROCESS?

WHAT ACCESS DO WE HAVE TO THE RECORDS?

THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS THAT, RIGHT?

>> LET'S NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE DIRECTOR OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TOLD THE COMMITTEE MONTHS AGO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE DATA.

IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS EVERY MAN AND WOMAN FOR THEMSELVES AND IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO DAY ONE OF THE PANDEMIC, THE DATA IS NOT THERE, AND IS THAT ACCURATE, JORDAN?

>> I MEAN, IT'S DIFFICULT TOO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE INSTANCES OF OBVIOUSLY LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T KNOW GOING BACK, INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY HAVE HAD COVID THAT WERE NOT REPORTED AS HAVING COVID BECAUSE MAYBE THEY CAUGHT IT IN FEBRUARY BEFORE IT REALLY STARTED, WITH THE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY HAVE DIED OF ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW LIKE CANCER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY ALSO HAD COVID AND SO HOW DO YOU SQUARE WHETHER OR NOT THEY COUNT AS A COVID-19 DEATH?

IT'S REALLY MURKY, AND IT WILL REALLY BE DIFFICULT TO GOO BACK IN TIME SO TO SPEAK AND TRY TO RIGHT THIS WRONG FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.

>> LET'S TURN THE PAGE TO STORY NUMBER TWO, JIM, WE HAD ACCESS TO THE GOVERNOR IN PERSON THE OTHER DAY, THERE'S A TREAT.

AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT COVID AND WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM HER?

>> SHE HAS THIS NEW BACK TO NORMAL PLAN, WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH IT, JUNE 1st, A LOT OF THINGS CHANGED BUT NOT UNTIL JULY 1st.

RESTAURANTS AND BARS ARE STILL LIMITED TO 50% CAPACITY.

NON-VACCINATED PEOPLE STILL HAVE TO WEAR MASKS INDOORS, BUT I'M HERE IN MACOMB COUNTY IN METRO DETROIT AND WE HAVE THIS GROUP OF BARS AND RESTAURANTS WHO HAVE SUED THE STATE, SUED THE GOVERNOR BECAUSE OF THEIR LOSSES WITH THE TOTAL SHUTDOWN AND THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THEY'RE SAYING WHY WAIT ANOTHER MONTH?

THAT'S ARBITRARY.

I WAS TRYING TO ASK THE GOVERNOR ABOUT WHAT SHE'S BASING THAT ON, AND SHE SAYS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COVID IS NOT MAKING A COMEBACK, BUT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT IT'S GOING TO, THE NUMBERS ARE TRENDING LOWER, AND BARS AND RESTAURANTS ARE SAYING LET US OPEN UP NOW WANT IF WE HAVE THE SURGE, THEN WE COULD HAVE MORE LOCKDOWNS OR GO BACK TO 50%.

SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS IS JUST ARBITRARY.

>> SHE WAS ALSO ASKED ABOUT WITH ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER SHUTDOWN?

SHE GAVE A ANSWER, BASED ON WHAT THE CDC IS SAYING, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT THEY APPROPRIATELY ALWAYS SAYS THROWS IN THE CAVEAT, WHO KNOWS?

THERE COULD BE A VARIANT.

HOW MANY WERE IN THE BARS UNTIL 2:00 THIS WREAK IN THE MORNING?

>> DON'T ANSWER THAT.

>> I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THAT.

>> YOU'RE A SMART MAN.

THERE ARE NO MORE CURFEWS, SO THOSE ARE GONE, AND THAT'S IN THEORY ALL OF THOSE JOURNALISTIC FRIENDS YOU HAVE UNTIL AFTER 2:00 A.M.

BUT OUTSIDE AT RESTAURANTS, THERE'S NO MORE SOCIAL DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS, SO BEFORE THE TABLES HAD TO BE SIX FEET APART AND YOU HAD TO HAVE 6 FEET AT BETWEEN THE TABLES AND NOW ALL OF THE TABLES OUTSIDE ARE PUSHED TOGETHER AND YOU DON'T NEED THOSE SIX PEOPLE ONLY AT A TABLE.

SO IF YOU HAVE A BIG RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR SPACE, THAT'S THE SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE.

THE BIGGER DIFFERENCE, OTHER PLACES LIKE GYMS, SALONS, INDOOR POOLS THAT WERE AT FAR LOWER THAN 50% CAPACITY.

THEY HAVE ALL GONE UP NOW, AND AS JIM NOTED ON JULY 1st, IT'S STILL IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT LESS THAN HALF OF THE MICHIGAN POPULATION, 12 AND UP, ARE FULLY VACCINATED.

SO WE'RE FAR AWAY FROM THE 70% GOAL THAT THE GOVERNOR WANTED.

WHICH COULD BE WHY SHE HAS GIVEN PEOPLE ANOTHER MONTH TO GO OUT AND GET THEIR VACCINES.

>> I KNOW THAT YOU AND NONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WERE UP UNTIL 2:00 AT A LOCAL BAR, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, HOW ARE WE FEELING ABOUT COVID?

YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THIS RELAXATION GOING ON, I THINK THERE ARE SOME IN THEIR MINDS SAYING THIS IS OVER, BUT IT'S NOT.

>> I MEAN, JUST PERSONALLY SPEAKING, SO I WENT TO A LANSING LUG NUTS GAME YESTERDAY, AND SOFTBALL WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THAT WE'RE STILL IN A PANDEMIC.

NO SOCIAL DISTANCING, VERY FEW MASKS, VERY FEW INDIVIDUALS WHO SEEM TO BE RESPECTING FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THE PROTOCOL.

IT SEEMS THAT IT'S OVER.

AND JIM BROUGHT UP, WHY WAIT ANOTHER MONTH?

IT SEEMS ARBITRARY, BUT YOU NEVER SEEM TO BE PRAISED WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING RIGHT TO AVOID A BAD SITUATION BECAUSE THE BAD SITUATION DOESN'T HAPPEN.

SO TO THE IDEA THAT WE NEED TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH, UNTIL JULY TO FULLY RELAX COVID-19 PROTOCOLS, I DO FEEL THERE'S SOME CREDENCE TO THAT AND SOME NEED FOR THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE IS A SPIKE, SHUTTING DOWN AFTER THE FACTORING IT COULD BE TOO LATE FOR SOME VICTIMS, SO I DO -- I THINK YES, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE THOUGHT THAT THE PANDEMIC IS OVER, AND IT'S NOT FOR SOME INDIVIDUALS, AND WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT VACCINATION RATE, ESPECIALLY IN SOME PARTS OF THE STATE WHERE THE UPTICK IS LOW.

>> BUT THE NUMBERS ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING GOOD.

I CAN REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE REPORTING 7,000 CASES NOT A WEEK, A MONTH, BUT A DAY, AND NOW WE'RE AROUND 500 AND THAT'S A HUGE IMPROVEMENT.

>> THAT'S AGAIN WHY YOU HAVE THESE BUSINESS OWNERS SAYING YOU'RE FORCING ME TO STAY AT 50% OF THE BUSINESS CAPACITY THAT I COULD OTHERWISE HAVE, AND THEY ARE ALSO FORCED TO GO THROUGH THE LAST HOLIDAY, MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT'S ARBITRARY.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT YOU SAID BEING OUT UNTIL 2 A.M. WITH THE BARING OPEN UNTIL 2:00 A.M. >> THE ANSWER IS YES?

>> NOT NECESSARILY, BUT YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF THE BAR AND RESTAURANT OWNERS SAYING WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 2:00 A.M. WE'RE WAY DOWN, AND WE'RE CLOSING ONE OR TWO DAYS A WEEK.

SO WE CAN GIVE THE EMPLOYEES WE DO HAVE TWO DAYS OFF A WEEK, AND THE OTHER THING IS, I DID ASK SOME FRIENDS, I'M ASKING FOR A FRIEND, DID YOU STAY OUT UNTIL 2 A.M.?

NO, BECAUSE OF COVID, I'M USED TO GOING TO BED AT 10:00, 11:00 AT NIGHT AND NO WAY I'M GOING TO BE OUT UNTIL 2:00 A.M. >> WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THE BUDGET?

THEY WANTED TO GET THIS DONE ON JUNE 4th, AND LOOKING KIND OF SHAKY, ISN'T IT?

>> I WOULD SAY, IF YOU ASKED ME THAT THREE WEEKS AGO, IT WAS LOOKING TERRIBLE.

BUT AT LEAST THERE'S SUPPOSEDLY A FRAMEWORK FOR A COMPROMISE.

>> OH, YEAH.

>> WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE ESTABLISHING CONFERENCE COMMITTEES, SO WE'RE AT LEAST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS OF FINDING COMPROMISE, HAVE I HEARD ABOUT FANTASTIC BREAKTHROUGHS AND COMPROMISE ON SPECIFIC BUDGET ITEMS?

NO, I HAVEN'T.

PUSHING UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE, BUT THAT'S IN TRUE FORM FOR THE LEGISLATURE.

I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE SEE SOMETHING AT THE LAST MINUTE.

WE'LL SEE.

>> THEY HAVE TO HAVE TARGETS FIRST, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN ELUSIVE.

BUT DAVE, HE HAS BEEN VERY ACCESSIBLE TO THE MEDIA, AND HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE WENT ON RADIO SILENCE.

I COULDN'T GET THROUGH TO THIS GUY, AND I ALWAYS GET NERVOUS WITH THE PEOPLE I WANT TO TALK TO, AND SO I DO A LITTLE DIGGING AND MY GUESS IS THAT HE'S CONCERNED, JORD, THAT THEY HAVE NOT MADE MORE PROGRESS ON THIS THING.

WHAT'S YOUR INTEL?

>> I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN WITH THEM FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW, AND IN MY SHORT TIME HERE, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A NORMAL BUDGET CYCLE.

SO WHAT DAVID SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PAR FOR THE COURSE.

I MEAN, I WOULD BE SHOCKED I SUPPOSE IF THIS WRAPS UP VERY SOON, SO I WOULD NOT BE EXPECTING MUCH, BUT THE RADIO SILENCE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SEE AS A POSITIVE.

IT MEANS THEY'RE HARD AT WORK.

I WILL -- >> STAY TUNED -- >> HOLD MY BREATH UNTIL THEN.

>> THE GOOD NEWS, THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN IF THEY MISS THE JUNE 24th DEADLINE, THE DEADLINE IS OCTOBER 1st, BUT WE HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AND YOU HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CHAMPING ON THE BIT TO GET THEIR HANDS ON ALL OF THAT FEDERAL MONEY WHICH IS SITTING IN STATE COFFERS AND NOT THEIR COFFERS, WHICH MUST BE CREATING SOME ANGST.

>> THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THIS DONE, BUT EVERYBODY IS A REALIST THAT THE STATE OF MICHIGAN IS POLARIZED POLITICALLY BECAUSE OF COVID AND ALL OF THE ISSUES WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE PLAYING OUT IN MICHIGAN.

YOU'VE HAD REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE SAID WE WANT A VOICE IN THE COVID LOCKDOWNS AND RESTRICTIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 14, 15 MONTHS, AND ONE OF YOUR GUESTS WHO WAS ON SAID THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN PIGS FLY, RIGHT?

AND THEY HAD TO GIVE IN ON THAT, AND THE GOVERNOR SAID WELL, IF WE GET A BUDGET DEAL, I'LL GIVE YOU SOMEWHAT OF A VOICE AND HOW MUCH HORSE TRADING IS GOING ON?

WE DON'T KNOW.

>> IT WILL PLAY OUT AND DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS.

LET'S CALL IN OUR GUEST TODAY, THE CHAIR CHERN OF THE DETROIT LEGISLATIVE CAUCUS, REPRESENTATIVE YANCY AND GOOD MORNING, HOW IS EVERYTHING IN MOTOWN, OR HARPER WOODS.

>> IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

I REPRESENT HARPER WOODS AND IT'S GETTING GREAT AND THE WEATHER IS GREAT AND WE'RE EXCITED TO LOOKING FORWARD TO JUNE 24th, 25th.

>> THANK YOU FOR COMING ON THE PROGRAM, AND HERE'S THE FIRST SOFTBALL QUESTION FOR YOU.

WHAT SCARES YOU ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOUR POLICE CHIEF IN DETROIT WILL BE GOVERNOR?

>> THE BIGGEST THING THAT SCARES ME IS THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE REPLACE OUR CURRENT -- WELL, HE'S INTERIM POLICE CHIEF.

AND I HOPE THAT HE DOES JUST AS GOOD OF A JOB AS OUR OLD CHIEF.

SO THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT SCARES ME RIGHT NOW, JUST KNOWING THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS JUST AS COMPETENT TO REPRESENTS CHIEF CRAIG.

>> LET ME TRY THE QUESTION AGAIN.

IF MR. CHIEF IS ELECTED GOVERNOR, WHAT SCARES YOU, IF ANYTHING?

>> IF ANYTHING, I WOULD SAY I KNOW THAT MR. CHIEF IS A REPUBLICAN, SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL HAVE HIS OWN SET OF VIEWS AS OPPOSED TO JUST JOINING IN ON THE RHETORIC THAT WE SEE IN LANSING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS NOW.

>> SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IF HE WAS GOVERNOR?

>> I LIKE THE CHIEF.

I LIKE THE CHIEF AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

I HATE TO SEE HIM GO AS CHIEF OF POLICE, BUT HOWEVER, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS RACE GOES.

>> JIM, LET ME GO OVER TO YOU.

>> I THINK WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR WHAT THE CHIEF HAS TO SAY.

IT HAS BEEN FOUR DAYS SINCE HE IS NO LONGER THE CHIEF.

HE'S THE PAST CHIEF.

HE TOAD ME -- I DID A STORY WITH HIM LAST FRIDAY, AND HE SAID HE'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO DECOMPRESS, AND I ASKED IF HIS TIMING AS CHIEF IS TIED TO THE POLITICAL CALENDAR AND HE SIDESTEPPED THAT.

WE ALL KNOW THAT HE'S GOING TO BE IN THE RACE, AND I TALKED WITH CANDACE MILLER WHO IS THE MACOMB PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONER.

SHE HAS BEEN SECRETARY OF STATE AND IN CONGRESS AND HELD OTHER ELECTED POSITIONS IN MACOMB COUNTY PRIOR TO THAT.

SHE HAS SAID SHE DIDN'T WANT TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR BUT DIDN'T RULE OUT BEING LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, ON A TICKET WITH CHIEF CRAIG OR WHOEVER MIGHT BE THE CANDIDATE NEXT YEAR.

I DID A STORY ON THAT, AND I CALLED IT THE REPUBLICAN DREAM TICKET.

BUT WE STILL NEED TO TALK WITH CHIEF CRAIG, IS HE A TRUMP SUPPORTER.

>> I HATE TO THROW WATER ON THE STORY, BUT CANDACE MILLER IS NOT GOING TO RUN FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

AND JORDAN, A QUESTION FOR OUR GUEST.

A QUESTION.

>> SO FOCUSING ON SOMETHING -- YES, FOCUSING ON SOMETHING THAT I DID MENTION EARLIER, VACCINE UPTICK, THE VACCINE HAS BEEN TRENDING LOW, AND WHAT DO YOU SEE WITH THE CITY OR STATE AS NEEDING TO INCREASE THAT?

>> I THINK THAT THE CITY OR STATE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE.

PEOPLE IN ESPECIALLY DETROIT ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE, AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED IN TERMS OF WHAT THE VACCINATIONS DO, WHICH VACCINATIONS ARE THE BETTER VACCINATIONS, IF ANY.

ARE THERE ANY ILLNESSES BEING CAUSED BY ANY VACCINATIONS?

I KNOW THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WHO MAYBE HAVE A SLIGHT FEVER OR SLIGHT ACHES?

I KNOW I HAD SLIGHT ACHES AND I WAS REALLY TIRED AND THAT'S WHAT I EXPERIENCED WHILE OTHERS EXPERIENCED A LITTLE BIT MORE SYMPTOMS.

SO MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST COMFORTABLE WITH KNOWING WHAT THE SIDE EFFECTS MAY BE IF ANY, OR WHAT LONG-TERM EFFECTS MAY BE IF ANY.

>> DAVID?

>> REPRESENTATIVE, YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW DEMOCRATS WHO IS A COSPONSOR ON A BILL THAT WOULD REMOVE THE LOCAL AUTHORITY FOR CITIES TO REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THROUGH ZONING ORDINANCES, AND I'M WONDERING WHY YOU THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE STATE TO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY OF DETROIT FOR EXAMPLE.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE CITY OF DETROIT NEEDS TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

I WANT THE CITY OF DETROIT OR ANY MUNICIPALITIES TO TAKE AWAY THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE OWNERS, SO FOR ME, IT WAS TO PROTECT PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND PROTECT THE OWNERS'S ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY THAN IT WAS TO ASSIGN THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE STATE.

>> REPRESENTATIVE, YOU HAVE A NEWS CONFERENCE NEXT WEEK, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT REFORMS IN THE POLICE AREA.

AND CAN YOU GIVE US A HINT AS TO WHERE YOU'RE HEADED ON THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY, TIM.

SO THE BILL WEIR ROLLING OUT NEXT WEEK ON JUNE 1st, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE LOOKING JUST TO HOLD OR ADD SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

THERE'S IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORMAL I SAYING THAT ALL POLICE OFFICERS ARE BAD.

WE KNOW THERE ARE A FEW BAD APPLES, BUT A FEW BAD APPLES ACROSS THE STATE OF MICHIGAN IN DIFFERENT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES COULD EQUATE TO SEVERAL RESULTS OF DEATH OR HARM TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO MY IDEAS ARE TO LOOK TO HOLD MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND REFORM TO ACCEPT PRACTICES OR OPERATING PROCEDURES IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ACROSS THE STATE.

WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE POLICE BRUTALITY AND RACIAL DISPARITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING ACROSS THE STATE AND IN OTHER STATES AS WELL, INCLUDING POLICING BY BANNING THE CHOKEHOLD AND BANNING NO KNOCK WARRANTS.

WE ARE AWARE OF THOSE INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE GEORGE FLOYDS OF THE WORLD AND WANT BREONNA TAYLORS OF THE WORLD.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, BREONNA TAYLOR'S MOTHER WILL BE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON TUESDAY, BUT WE ARE NOT AS EDUCATED ABOUT KNOWS WHO WERE HERE, NO LONGER WITH US IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN WHOSE LIVES WERE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF EXCESSIVE POLICE FORCE.

SO WE'LL BE HIGHLIGHTING THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS WELL.

AND BACK TO THE ACTUAL OVERALL PACKAGE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND MORE TRANSPARENCY ACROSS THE STATE.

>> ARE YOU GOING TO READ INTO THE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE POLICE IMMUNITY?

>> ACTUALLY, YES, SO QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS PART OF THE PACKAGE.

QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL.

I HAVE SPOKEN TO QUITE A FEW PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS ACROSS THE STATE WHO FEEL LIKE IF WE IMPLEMENT QUALIFIED IMMUNITY WE WOULD LOSE POLICE OFFICERS, AND HOWEVER, WE HAVE A ROUTERS POLL THAT SAYS 82% OF OUR U.S. SUPPORT CHOKEHOLDS, AND 5% SUPPORT VICTIMS OF POLICE MISCONDUCT TO SUE POLICE DEPARTMENTS FOR DAMAGES.

AND REMOVING BAIL OR AT LEAST PARTIALLY REMOVING THE BAIL, ONLY IN CASES OF EXTREME BAD ACTORS SHOULD WE BE REMOVING QUALIFIED IMMUNITY, NOT FOR EVERY DAY POLICING.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT YOURSELF AS POLICE OFFICERS, AND WE SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS.

BUT IN THOSE CASES OF EXTREME FORCE, THERE SHOULD BE NO QUALIFIED IMMUNITY IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

>> Anchor: WE HAVE 5 MINUTES LEFT AND WE'RE GOING TO DO AN OVERTIME SEGMENT AND JIM, A QUESTION FOR OUR GUESTS.

>> DOES YOUR BILL PACKAGE INCLUDE DEFUNDING THE POLICE AND MOVING THAT MONEY ELSEWHERE?

>> NO, IT DOES NOT.

THERE'S NO ASPECT OF DEFUNDING THE POLICE IN THIS BILL PACKAGE AT ALL.

THERE WAS A PACKAGE THAT THE REPUBLICANS INTRODUCED A WEEK OR SO AGO, FOR POLICE WEEK THAT ACTUALLY APPROPRIATES FUNDS FOR BODY CAMS AND THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE ACTUALLY USED IN OUR PACKAGE.

SO WHILE WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF REPUBLICANS TO FUND THESE ASPECTS ACROSS THE STATE, WE'RE NOW IMPLEMENTING OR IMPLEMENTING STATUTES THAT WILL SAY OR INTRODUCING AT LEAST, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTING IT, BUT WE'RE ASKING THAT THEY HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY NOW, AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST SAY OKAY, YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO PURCHASE BODY CAMS IF WE DON'T SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO USE THEM.

>> JORDAN.

>> IN THIS LEGISLATION, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEGISLATION, REGARDING DUI EXPUNGEMENTS, THE SENATE HAS NOT MOVED ON TWO HOUSE BILLS THAT WERE SENT BACK IT THEM RECENTLY.

WHAT ARE THE STATUS OF THOSE BILLS, AND THE LAST TIME THIS LEGISLATION CAME UP, IT WAS VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR.

AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNOR IS ONBOARD AT THIS TIME OR THAT COULD CHANGE AND COME BACK FOR HER?

>> I BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNOR IS ONBOARD THIS TIME.

THERE WERE CHANGES MADE TO BE LEGISLATION LAST TERM, SO THIS TERM, THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY MAKE A BETTER BILL FOR THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN SO THAT ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED WERE MORE COMFORTABLE.

I'VE SHARED MY STORY A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT MY FATHER WAS KILLED BY A DRUNK DRIVER, SO BY NO MEANS AM I HOLDING THIS OFFENSE AS A LIGHT OFFENSE.

BUT THESE ARE OWIs THAT DID NOT CAUSE ANY ACCIDENT OR INJURY OR DEATH.

NONE OF THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED EXPUNGIBLE.

AND THIS IS ALSO, I BELIEVE, WHAT THE GOVERNOR WAS SPEAKING, AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, INSTEAD OF THREE YEARS TO HAVE A FIVE-YEAR WAITING PERIOD FOR THIS TYPE OF MISDEMEANORS, AND WHILE OTHERS ARE THREE YEARS, THIS WOULD BE FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT SHE WANTED TO SEE IN THE BILL.

SHE ALSO WANTED TO SEE THE SUNSET REMOVED ON THE BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVEL AND THAT WAS DONE AS WELL.

I DON'T BELIEVE -- IT WAS TIED I BELIEVE TO ONE OF THE BILLS, AND IN TERMS OF WHERE IT IS IN THE SENATE, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT IN THE SENATE.

BUT I HOPE THAT IT MOVES TO THE SENATE VERY SOON.

I HAVE PEOPLE CALLING MY OFFICE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES AFTER 30 YEARS, AND THEY HAVE NOT EVEN TAKEN A DRINK IN THE 30 YEARS SINCE THEY WERE CONVICTED OF OWI.

>> SPEAKER JASON WENTWORTH WAS A MILITARY POLICE OFFICER FOR FIVE YEARS, AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT HE'LL BE A PARTNER ON YOUR PACKAGE OR CREATE HURDLES IN GETTING SOME OF THE REFORMS PAX?

>> I'VE MET AND HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH A LOT OF THE HOLDUP OF ME INTRODUCING THIS PACKAGE WAS MAKING SURE THAT I MET WITH THOSE STAKEHOLDERS AND MAKING SURE THAT I MET WITH THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

AND THERE ARE SOME ASPECTS OF THIS BILL PACKAGE THAT HE'S ABSOLUTELY INTERESTED IN, AND SOME THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE DEAD ON ARRIVAL.

BUT I'M HOPING THAT IT WILL AT LEAST FORCE THE CONVERSATION.

HE'S NOT LOOKING TO MAKE IT POLITICAL, AND NEITHER AM I.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT BLACK LIVES ARE POLITICAL AT ALL.

I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE LOSING THEIR CHIRP OR LOSING THEIR LOVED ONES, IT'S NOT A POLITICAL MATTER AT ALL.

IT'S A VERY SERIOUS MATTER AND AT LEAST, IT WILL BE ON THE TABLE TO DISCUSS SOME REFORMS THAT WE ALL CAN BE SATISFIED WITH, AND NOT JUST SHOW AND TELL.

WE WANT TO SEE SOME REAL CHANGES MADE SO THAT PEOPLE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE BAD ACTIONS THAT THEY COMMIT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A DISPARITY, A RACIAL DISPARITY.

I DON'T THINK THAT OTHER PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OR OTHER RACES UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU FEEL AS A RACE, AS IF YOUR CHILDREN ARE BEING ATTACKED.

SO AL AT LEAST MAKE US HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT REFORMS WE CAN LIVE WITH THIS TERM.

>> THANK YOU, REPRESENTATIVE, STAY TUNED, WE'RE GOING TO DO AN OVERTIME SEGMENT AND THANK YOU FOR TUNING IN, BUT GO TO THE WEBSITE FOR THAT.

AND JORDAN, WELCOME TO THE OFF THE RECORD FAMILY, GREAT TO HAVE YOU ONBOARD AND NICE TO SEE YOU, STAY TUNED, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

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