>> Neisloss: I'M LIZ NEISLOSS, IN FOR JIM BRAUDE.

THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE GOES PRIMETIME WITH THEIR FIRST DAY OF HEARINGS ON THEIR FINDINGS INTO THE 2021 CAPITOL INSURRECTION.

I AM JOINED BY "WASHINGTON POST" POLITICAL REPORTER AARON BLAKE TO DISCUSS REVELATIONS, FINDINGS AND WHO WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

PLUS, HOW LOCAL TEENS CAN HELP INFORM EFFORTS TO TACKLE HEALTH DISPARITIES: THREE PEOPLE BEHIND A BOSTON MEDICAL CENTER STUDY ON THAT JOIN ME.

>> Neisloss: WE'VE ALL SEEN BITS AND PIECES OF WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th, 2021, THROUGH LIVE VIDEO AS THE EVENTS UNFOLDED THAT DAY, AND THROUGH THE RECORDED VIDEO, PHOTOS, AND EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE DRIBBLED OUT SINCE.

BUT STARTING TONIGHT, A SPECIAL CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE WILL LAY OUT THE FINDINGS OF ITS YEAR-PLUS INVESTIGATION TO GIVE US A FULLER PICTURE OF THE EVENTS OF THAT DAY, HOW THINGS GOT TO THAT POINT, AND, ULTIMATELY, WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE.

WE'LL ALSO HEAR FROM A FEW NEW KEY WITNESSES.

BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON IN ALL OF THIS?

AND IS ANY OF IT LIKELY TO REALLY CHANGE ANYONE'S VIEW OF THINGS?

I'M JOINED BY "WASHINGTON POST" SENIOR POLITICAL REPORTER AARON BLAKE.

WELCOME, AARON.

>> THANKSES FOR HAVING ME.

>> SO AARON YOU HAVE DONE SOME GREAT ANALYSIS ALONG THROUGH THE MONTHS ABOUT THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE.

BUT YOU MAKE THE POINT THAT IT'S CLEAR AMERICANS HAVE SHORT MEMORIES, THEY HAVE SHORT ATTENTION SPANS.

THEY MAY JUST BE OVERWHELMED BY A TIDAL WAVE OF NEWS THAT THEY GET EVERY DAY.

EXPLAIN WHAT YOU SEE THE HERD ELEVATOR AS HERE WITH THIS PRESENTATION.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BIG STORIES OF THE TRUMP ERA IS THAT THE PASSAGE OF TIME WAS A GREAT ALLY TO THE PRESIDENT, THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

THE RUSSIAN A INVESTIGATION TOOK A NUMBER OF YEARS.

BY THE TIME IT WAS OVER WE HAD A PRETTY ACTUALLY FULL THROATED REPORT FROM THE SENATE THAT SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE THERE WAS MORE TO THE COLLUSION ALLEGATIONS THAN WE PREVIOUSLY NEW BUT PEOPLE WERE KIND OF TIRED OF THE STORY BY THEN.

AND IT DIDN'T REALLY LAND WITH MUCH EMPHASIS.

I THINK THAT GIVEN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 17 MONTH NOW SIRNS JANUARY 6th THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS.

ARE THEY GOING TO WATCH THESE PRIME TIME HEARINGS NECESSARILY AND TAKE THE INFORMATION.

ARE THERE-- THE MIND ALREADY MADE UP ABOUT THIS OR CAN THEY ACTUALLY FIGURE THINGS OUT ANEW ONCE THIS INFORMATION COMES BEFORE THEM.

IF YOU LOOK AT POLLING WE HAVE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A DECLINE IN HOW MUCH PEOPLE TRULY CARE ABOUT THESE THINGS.

HOW MUCH CUL ABILITY THEY THINK RESTS AT THE PRESIDENT'S FEET, I THINK THAT SAY BIG CHALLENGE, AND I THINK THAT STARTS WITH TONIGHT, IS GETTING PEOPLE TO TUNE IN AGAIN AND ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS EXTREMELY COMPLEX AND IS A VERY DIFFICULT STORY TO TELL.

>> Neisloss: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POLLING THAT YOU MENTIONED BECAUSE YOU KIND-OF-BROKE DOWN WHERE THE ATTENTION IS FADES AND IT SEEMS THAT SOME OF THAT FOCUS VL ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF TRUMP.

WE HAVE A QUINNIPIAC POLL FROM JANUARY 2022 THAT SHOIS THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO BELIEVE THE POLITICAL INSTABILITY IN THE U.S.

POSES A GREATER THREAT THAN GLOBAL ADVERSARIES.

IT BREAKS DOWN ACCORDING TO PARTY LINE, DEMOCRATS, 83 PERCENT, REPUBLICANS 66.

BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO SQUARE WITH THIS WANTING ATTENTION WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP.

HOW DO YOU SQUARE THAT?

>> YEAH, IT'S REALLY INTERESTS.

ONE OF THE POLLS THAT I POINTED TO WHEN I WAS WRITING ABOUT THIS IS GENERALLY SPEAKING AROUND HALF OF AMERICANS WILL TELL ANY GIVEN POLLSTER THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP COMMITTED A CRIME WHEN IT CAME TO JANUARY 6th WHETHER IT WAS ON THAT DAY OR HIS EFFORTS TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOST RECENT POLLING, THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN ACCOUNTABILITY WHO STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABILITY MOVING FORWARD IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN THAT.

SO I THINK TO SOME DEGREE THIS IS PEOPLE BEING PARTISANS AND THEY THINK THAT TRUMP DID SOMETHING WRONG AND THEY'RE CONVINCED THAT HE DID DO SOMETHING WRONG.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE TUNING IN TO THIS.

THEY MAY NOT BE LISTENING FOR NEW INFORMATION.

AND SO I THINK THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME NECESSARILY GETTING A HUGE AUDIENCE FOR.

THIS BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY HAVE PROMISED THAT THEY WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT NEW EVIDENCE.

ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS SAID WE'RE GOING TO BLOT ROOF OFF OF THE HOUSE AND SO THEY SEEM TO BE PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF TALK OF BOMBSHELLS AND DRAMA.

THERE HAS A LOT BEEN MADE OF THE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE.

THE FACT THAT A TELEVISION EXECUTIVE HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN TO PRODUCE THIS.

WE SEEM TO BE IN THIS MOMENT OR MAYBE WE ALWAYS WERE WHERE WE NEED SOME ENTERTAINMENT ALONG WITH THAT SPOON OF FACT.

IS THAT WHAT IT TAKES NOW?

>> WELL, IT'S REALLY GOOD POINGT.

AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING PARTS ABOUT THIS HEARING IS THE HEARINGS THAT ARE BEGINNING TONIGHT S THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE BASICALLY RUN BY THE DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE AND A COUPLE OF SIM PATHETIC REPUBLICANS WHO WERE APPOINTED BY THE DEMOCRATS.

ST UNLIKE PREVIOUS HEARINGS IN WHICH WE HAVE THE MAJORITY PARTY AND THEN THE OPPOSITION THAT MIGHT BE CROSS EXAMINING WITNESSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IS DUE TO A WHOLE HOST OF FACTORS THAT BUILT INTO THIS.

BUT IT ALSO GIVES THE DEMOCRATS THE ABILITY TO TELL THIS STORY HOW THEY WANT TO AND HOW THEY FORMULATE THAT AND HOW THEY TELL IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN HOW ALL OF THIS IS PERCEIVED.

>> IT DOES SEEM THOUGH THAT THE COMMITTEE EVEN THOUGH SOME SAY IT SHOWS TO THE ROLE THAT RESPONSIBLE REPUBLICANS CAN PLAY, IT STILL IS EASY FOR SOME TO POINT TO THAT COMMITTEE AND DISMISS THE ENTIRE HEARING OUT OF HAND ON THAT BASIS.

>> YEAH, THIS WAS THE GAMBLE THAT REPUBLICANS MADE VERY EARLY ON.

IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR COMMENTS AFTER JANUARY 6th THERE WAS MOMENTUM BEHIND A BIPARTISAN 9/11 STYLE COMMISSION.

HOUSE MINORITY LEADER KEVIN McCARTHY PASSED ONE OF HIS ALLIES WAS NEGOTIATING THAT.

HE DID NEGOTIATE IT AND THEN THEY DE TIED-- DEFEATED IT ANYWAY.

I THINK REPUBLICANS MADE A VERY CLEAR CALCULATION EARLY ON THAT THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO RELIVE ALL OF THESE THINGS.

AND SO THEY FOUGHT GERNS THESE COMMISSIONS, THESE COMMITTEES IN ANY NUMBER OF WAYS.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO CREATE A HURDLE FOR SOME PEOPLE WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING THIS AS DEMOCRATS BASICALLY MAKING A PRESENTATION AND NOT HAVING ANY PUSHBACK.

BUT CERTAINLY THE DEMOCRATS ON THIS COMMITTEE HOPE THAT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING ARE GOING TO BE COMPELLING ENOUGH THAT IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE COVERED BY PERCEPTIONS OF PARTISANSHIP.

>> EVEN IF SOME REP CAPS MAY WANT THIS TO FADE INTO THE WOODWORK, EVEN ON THE DAY OF THE HEARINGS, YOU HAVE BIG HEADLINES COMING IN.

WE HAVE A MICHIGAN GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE RYAN KELLEEY CHARGED IN THE INSURRECTION.

HE ALLEGEDLY WAVED ON THE MOB HEADING INTO THE CAPITOL.

HE TORE INAUGURATION SCAFFOLDING.

SHOULD WE ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THESE KINDS OF ARRESTS IN THE MONTHS AHEAD RELATED TO THE INSURRECTION?

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE-- IT ALL STOPS, CERTAINLY WITH TODAY.

THERE IS DEFINITELY MOSH HEADLINES TO COME.

>> YEAH, I MEAN MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE CAPITOL DO-- CAPITOL DO REMAIN UNCHARGED WHETHER THEIR ACTIONS DIDN'T RISE TIE CERTAIN LEVEL OR FOR OTHER REASONS.

I THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT WHAT WE ARE WILL SEE AT LEAST CRIMINALLY MOVING FORWARD ASK BIGGER CASES.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE CRIMINAL TRESPASSING CASES, VARIOUS OTHER SIGNALER CHARGES AND THEN EVENTUALLY THAT BECAME CHARGES OF SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY, HISTORIC CHARGES THAT ARE RARELY BROUGHT IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT WERE BROUGHT AGAINST SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED, INCLUDING AS RECENTLY AS EARLY THIS WEEK.

AND SO WHETHER THE COMMITTEE'S PROCEEDINGS WILL HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THAT, IT IS TOO EARLY TO SAY.

I THINK THAT WHAT WE ARE SEEING STARTING TONIGHT IS REALLY THE BEGINNING OF ARGUING THE CASE AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LEAD TO CRIMINAL CHARGES EVEN IF SOME PEOPLE MIGHT WANT THAT.

BUT CERTAINLY BRINGING THIS INFORMATION INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND HAVING PEOPLE REACH A CONCLUSION, THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE AS WELL IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO LAY OUT THE FACTS BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THIS HAS BEEN SWEPT INTO THE DRAMA AND MAYBE THE CRAZINESS OF DONALD TRUMP.

A LOT IS WRITTEN, HE WAS KING LEAR, RANTING AND RAVING IN THE CASTLE ABOUT HIS WANTING POWER AND THEN IVANKA AND JARED, THE COUPLE AND PLOTTING AND CONSPIRACY AND HOTELS AND THE MOB EVEN WAS SEEN AS PART OF THE DRAM BLANCA BUT THIS IS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF FACTS BEHIND THIS DRAMA.

AND ONE OF THEM IS REALLY THE FOCUS THAT IS TURNING ON DONALD TRUMP.

YOU WROTE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT A JUDGE'S DECISION, REALLY, BACK IN MARCH, DECIDING THAT DONALD TRUMP PROBABLY BROKE THE LAW.

NOW THAT SEEMS TO GET SORT OF SWEPT AWAY IN KIND OF THE WHOLE SWIRL OF DRAMA OF THAT PARTICULAR DAY, THE FACTS BEHIND WHAT WAS GOING ON.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT PARTICULAR, THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF THIS AND THE SIGNIFICANTS, HELP PEOPLE REMEMBER, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT RULING THAT TRUMP'S LAWYER JOHNNIESMAN DOCUMENTSES AND EMAILS, HAS TO BE TURNED OVER BECAUSE THEY PERTAIN TO PROBABLE CRIME AND AREN'T PRIVILEGED.

YOU CAN HELP PEOPLE REMEMBER THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT?

>> YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS, IT IS NOT JUST JUDGES GOING SUDDENLY BE CHARGING THE FORMER PRESIDENT WITH A CRIME.

HE HAD TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN IT CAME TO WEATHER THESE DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE TURNED OVER.

BECAUSE WHILE A LAWYER'S CONVERSATIONS AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEIR CLIENT ARE GENERALLY PRIVILEGED, THAT IS NOT THE CASE WHEN THERE IS A CRIME INVOLVED.

YOU CAN'T JUST HIRE A LAWYER AND THEN PLOT A CRIME WITH THIS LAWYER.

AND THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT DEMOCRATS SUGGEST MAY HAVE HAPPENED HERE.

SO THAT JUDGE'S RULING WAS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT POINTED TO EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN POINTING TO, WHICH IS THIS IDEA THAT THIS WAS A LARGE SCALE PLOT TO INTERFERE WITH CONGRESS' ACTIONS ON JANUARY 6th.

THIS IS THE FEDERAL LAW THAT LIZ CHENEY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT A FEDERAL JUDGE THOUGHT THAT THATS WITH COMPELLING ENOUGH TO SAY THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT COMMITTED A CRIME, THAT IS SIGNIFICANTS.

AND IT DOES HELP THE COMMITTEE MAKE ITS CASE.

NOW WHETHER THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE COMPELLING TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS ANOTHER MATTER ENTIRELY.

AND WE JUST DON'T REALLY HAVE A WINDOW INTO HOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS VIEWING THESE THINGS RIGHT NOW.

>> Neisloss: BUT THERE IS ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT YOU WROTE ABOUT THAT IS PART OF THAT SORT OF DETAILING DOCUMENTING, INTENT AND EVIDENCE OF CRIMES.

AND YOU WROTE ABOUT THE FAKE ELECTORS.

WHAT SHOULD PEOPLE REMEMBER ABOUT THAT.

>> YEAH, THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON THE PERIPHERY OF ALL OF TOOT TALK ABOUT JANUARY 6s IN RECENT MONTHS.

BASICALLY ON DECEMBER 14th, A BUNCH OF REPUBLICANS IN SEVEN STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY MET AND SUBMITTED A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT CLAIMS THAT THEY WERE THE DUALLY ELECTED ELECTORS FOR THOSE STATES EVEN THOUGH THOSE STATES HAD VOTED FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.

THERE IS SOME THOUGHT THAT WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL, CERTAINLY THEY CLAIM TO BE DUALLY ELECTED ELECTORS WHEN THEY WERE NOT.

THE ARGUMENT FROM THEM IS THAT THIS WAS A CONTINGENCY, THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE THESE ALTERNATE ELECTORS IN PLACE IN CASE THE RESULTS WERE OVERTURNED BY THE COURTS.

BUT WHAT WE SEE IN THE COMMITTEE'S WORK AND OTHER DISCLOSURES IS THAT THOSE ELECTORS WERE VERY MUCH A PART OF AN EFFORT ON JANUARY 6th TO TRY AND OVERTURN THE ELECTION.

AND SO TO THE EXTENT THOSE WERE PART OF THIS BROADER PLOT, IT WOULD BUILD OUT THIS KIND OF CONSPIRACY THAT THE DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT LIZ CHENEY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND SO I HI STARTING NEXT WEEK WE SHOULD BE REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO THOSE FAKE ELECTORS BECAUSE THEY COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE CASE THAT THE COMMITTEE IS LAYING OUT FOR PEOPLE.

>> ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT IS GETTING A LOT OF FOCUS IS THE FACT THAT FOX NEWS IS NOT BROADCASTING THE HEARINGS, NOT SURPRISING.

YOUR COLLEAGUES PHILLIP BUMP WROTE SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING ABOUT A STUDY THAT WAS DONE BACK IN APRIL BY TWO POLITICAL SCIENTISTS THAT LOOKED AT, THEY TOOK FOX VIEWERS.

THEY FED THEM A DIET FOR A MONTH OF CNN, I BELIEVE IT WAS.

AND THEN GAVE THEIR OPINIONS AFTER THAT.

AND THEIR PERSPECTIVE SHIFTED.

THEY DIDN'T BUY INTO ALL OF THE FOX POLITICAL RESHAPING OF FACTS.

SO DO YOU THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT.

IT IS CERTAINLY NOT SURPRISING.

>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S TERRIBLY SURPRISING.

I DO THINK PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WATCHING FOX NEWS STEADILY PROBABLY WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO CONVINCE.

BUT CERTAINLY HAVING THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE IS AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE CON VIPSD.

THE REST OF CABLE NEWS WATCHERS ARE PROBABLY MUCH MORE CONVINCED THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT DID SOMETHING WRONG WITH REGARD TO JANUARY 6th.

FOX NEWS SAYS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE COVERING THE HEARINGS IN SOME FASHION, THAT GENERALLY MEANS IN PRIME TIME, THAT ITS CONSERVATIVE OPINION HOSTS WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT.

AND IF WE'VE SEEN, IF WE LOOK AT EXACTLY HOW THOSE HOSTS HAVE COVERED THESE THINGS IN THE PATION, HAVE COVERED JANUARY 6th IN THE PAST.

YOU KNOW, VERY SHORTLY AFTERWARDS, ON THAT DAY IN FACT, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S LACK OF ACTION.

THAT HE WASN'T CALLING OFF HIS SUPPORTER HE IS SOONER.

AND THEN THAT NIGHT WE SAW A VERY DIFFERENT EMPHASIS POINT FROM THEM.

AND SO I THINK THAT REALLY SUGGESTS WHAT KIND OF PERSPECTIVE THE VIEWERS ARE GOING TO BE GETTING.

AND IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE WATCHING THE HEARINGS THEMSELVES VER BATIM, THEY WILL BE GETTING MORE OF A SCEUD PICTURE OF THINGS.

>> IF PART OF THE COMMITTEE'S WORK IS FOCUSING ON DS INFORMATION AND ONE LOOKS AT THE ROLE THAT FOX PLAYS IN EVEN ELIMINATING THE PRESENTATION OF FACTS, IT WOULD CERTAINLY SEEM TO ANYONE THAT THEY SHOULD BE PART OF THE FOCUS OF DS INFORMATION BUT THAT MAY JUST BE TOO HOT TO HANDLE RIGHT NOW.

>> I WOULD EXPECT THAT FOX NEWS, THE HEARINGS MAY NOT BE AIRING ON FOX NEWS, BUT FOX NEWS WILL BE A PART OF THESE HEARINGS BY VIRTUE OF THE TEXTS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD WITH SEAN HANNITY, LAURA INGRAM, BRIAN KILMEADE ALL BEING INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT TO CONVINCE THE PRESIDENT TO DO SOMETHING AS PEOPLE WERE STORMING THE CAPITOL.

AND SO YOU KNOW T MAY NOT BE ON FOX, BUT FOX WILL BE INVOLVED.

>> WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU CAN CATCH THE PROCEEDINGS LIVE ON GBH RADIO 89.7, gbhnews.org, OR ON GBH'S THE WORLD TELEVISION CHANNEL STARTING AT 8:00 TONIGHT.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT HEALTHCARE DISPARITIES SINCE THE PANDEMIC FIRST HIT.

AND WHILE THOSE INEQUITIES, LIKE SO MANY OTHERS, ARE CERTAINLY NOT NEW, WE'VE BEEN SEEING MORE EFFORTS TO CHANGE THAT.

AMONG THEM, A GROUP OF BOSTON RESEARCHERS TEAMED UP WITH LOCAL TEENS TO HELP HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE DISPARITIES FUNCTION IN THE REAL WORLD, AND HOW WE MIGHT ADDRESS THEM MORE EFFECTIVELY.

I'M JOINED BY THREE OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND THIS EFFORT: DOCTOR KATHERINE GERGEN BARNETT, VICE CHAIR OF PRIMARY CARE INNOVATION AND TRANSFORMATION IN THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY MEDICINE AT BOSTON MEDICAL CENTER; ASTRAEA AUGSBERGER, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY'S SCHOOL OF SOCIAL WORK; AND OSASENAGA IDAHOR, WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS PROJECT AS A HIGH SCHOOLER AND IS NOW WRAPPING UP HIS FRESHMAN YEAR AT HARVARD.

THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING ME.

DR. KATHERINE GERGEN IMAR NET, YOU CAN BEGIN BY EXPLAINING WHAT IS THE BRIEFLY WHAT IS THE REASON YOU TURNED TO TEENS IN THIS EFFORT?

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.

AND SO GLAD TO BE HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

SO AS WE ARE VERY WELL AWARE, HEALTH CARE HAS LONG BUILT ON A HIERARCHY AND WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO REALLY BE REACHING OUT TO DIFFERENT VOICES.

THIS WORK IN PARTICULAR WAS BUILT ON YEARS OF RESEARCH WHERE WE HAD YOUTH TELLING US IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM YOU NEED OUR VOICE AT THE TABLE.

>> Neisloss: SO ASTRAEA YOU HELPED SET UP THE METHODOLOGY FOR THIS STUDY.

EXPLAIN HOW IT ALL WORKS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

SO THE PROTECT-- PROJECTS WITH A KROS COLLABORATION BETWEEN BOSTON UNIVERSITY SOCIAL WORK AND SCHOOL OF MEDICINE AND IT WAS MADE TO LISTEN AND ELEVATED THE VOICES OF YOWLT OF COLOR IN SPACES WHERE THEY HAD BEEN HISTORICALLY UNDERREPRESENTED.

SO WE INTENTIONALLY RECRUITED EIGHT YOUTH OF COLOR BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16 TO 25 FROM ACROSS BOSTON FOR AN ADVISORY BOARD.

AND THE ADVISORY BOARD MODEL BRINGS TOGETHER YOUTH TO ADVICE ORGANIZATIONS ON POLICY, PRACTICE AND RESEARCH.

AND SO THE YOUTH MEMBERS WERE TRAINED IN PARTICIPATORY RESEARCH METHODS WHERE THEY ENGAGE IN EACH STAGE OF THE RESEARCH PROCESS FROM DESIGN TO COLLECTION TO ANALYSIS TO DISSEMINATION.

>> Neisloss: SO ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT YOU DID WAS USING PHOTOGRAPHY.

AND YOU USED A METHODOLOGY CALLED PHOTOVOICE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

SO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR-LONG PROJECT WHICH OCCURRED DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC THE YOUTH EXAMINED THE QUESTIONS, WHAT ARE INDIVIDUAL AND COMMUNITY PERCEPTIONS OF HEALTH?

AND WHAT FACTORS PROMOTE POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN YOUTH OF COLOR AND HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS.

AND SO THE PHOTO VOICE METHOD IS REALLY A VISUAL HEALTH ASSESSMENT STRATEGY.

IT IS AN EMPOWERING APPROACH WHERE YOUTH TAKE PHOTOS IN THEIR OTHER THAN COMMUNITY, AND THEY SHARE THEIR PHOTOS WITH A LARGER GROUP.

AND CRITICALLY ANALYZE WHAT THEY REPRESENT IN THE CON SECRETARIES OF THEIR OWN LIVED EXPERIENCES.

>> SO THAT IS REALLY FASCINATING AND WE HAVE OS NAGA HERE AS TO WHAT HE PARTICIPATED IN AND WHAT HE HOPED TO ACCOMPLISH.

SO WHAT DREW YOU TO THIS?

>> I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN PUBLIC HEALTH.

I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE PROJECT THROUGH A FRIEND I WAS LIKE THIS SOUNDS INTERESTING.

AND YOU KNOW, I HAD NO IDEA, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT, IF IS ALMOST A YEAR LATER NOW, PLUS, JUST THINK BEING HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT THAT THIS PROJECT IS HAVING AND COULD HELP TO HAVE.

>> LET'S PUT UP THE PHOTO THAT YOU TOOK.

YOU CAN EXPLAIN, IT IS A COLLECTION OF VITAMIN BOTTLES, THINK.

WHAT DOES THIS SIGNIFY?

WHAT DID YOU INTEND TO SAY OR WHAT WAS DRAWN FROM THIS BY THE GROUP?

>> YEAH, THIS PHOTO THAT I TOOK, IS KIND OF REPRESENTATIVE OF THE THEME OF OUR PHOTOS, ONE OF THE THEMES IS THE RESILIENCE OF THE COMMUNITY, TAKING HEALTH INTO OUR OWN HANDS.

SO THE MIDST OF THE COVID FRANKED THERE WAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE NOT KNOWING TO STAY HEALTHY AT HOME, GOING TO THE HOSPITAL, WASN'T REALLY AN OPTION.

SO THAT PHOTO WAS ME JUST TRYING TO REPRESENT MY EXPERIENCE, AND HOW MY MOM WOULD OFF EP ASK THAT WE TAKE ALL THESE VIET MINUTES BEFORE GOING TO SLEEP OR REGULARLY JUST BECAUSE SHE FELT MORE IN CONTROL.

>> Neisloss: ASTRAEA.

>> DOING WHATEVER SHE COULD TO KEEP HEALTHY.

>> Neisloss: YOU FROZE THERE JUST TBOR A SECOND.

BUT THE ROLE THAT YOU PLAYED IN THIS YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD, DO YOU FEEL THAT IT OPENED UP A NEW WAY OF LOOKING AT THE HEALTH CARE COMMUNITY, THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY FOR YOU?

>> OSASENAGA?

>> OH, YEAH, SERM, I FEEL LIKE THIS OPENED UP HOW I THINK AND REACHING OUT TO YOUTH.

I KNOW WE MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, THINGS THAT YOUTH ARE OFTEN MARGINALIZED VOICE, YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD SUN PRECEDENTED IN TERMS OF HEALTH CARE SO BEING A PART OF THIS WAS SOMETHING GREAT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, MAKING POSITIVE CHANGE IN MY COMMUNITY.

>> ASTRAEA S IT POSSIBLE TO SHARE THE KIND OF CONCLUSIONS, THE MAJOR POINTS THAT THESE, THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD CAME UP WITH?

>> YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THEY CAME UP WITH A COLLECTIVE NARRATIVE WHICH IS REALLY SORT OF THE IDEA THAT COVID-19 IS A REVEALING SOURCE.

IT SORTED OF HIGHLIGHTS THE SYSTEMIC INEQUITIES.

AND THE REAL NEED FOR MOVING FORWARD TO HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE AT THE TABLE.

AND MAKING DECISIONS AROUND HEALTH CARE KATHERINE, SOME OF THIS I LOOK AT AND SAY IT SEEMS VERY APPARENT THAT YOUTH SHOULD BE A PART OF THIS KIND OF MISSION, THAT YOU SHOULD BE CONTRIBUTING THEIR VOICES.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM, IN MEDICAL CARE, THAT IT IS STILL, THAT SORT OF THE POOL OF KNOWLEDGE, THE AUTHORITY IS STILL HELD IN THE HANDS OF A LARGELY WHITE PATTERN SYSTEM.

>> YEAH, I MEAN YOU ARE SAYING IT PERFECTLY.

I THINK WHAT IS, SEEMS OBVIOUS AND WHAT HAS BEEN TRUE HISTORICALLY ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

I THINK THE SILVER LINING IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY SILVER LINING IS THE PANDEMIC, WE ARE BREAKING OPEN THOSE NARRATIVES ABOUT HOW HEALTH CARE IS DELIVERED.

AND RECOGNIZING THAT WE CANNOT KEEP DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.

WE HAVE SEEN THAT YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY MARGINALIZED INCLUDING YOUTH HAVE BEEN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN MOST IMPACTED BY THE PANDEMIC.

AND WE NEED TO ACTUALLY BE DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

WE NEED TO BE BRIPGING IN NOT JUST VOICES AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BUT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE POWER STRUCTURE AND THE WAY THAT DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE BY HEALTH-CARE SYSTEMS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM REALLY THRILLED ABOUT IS THAT THIS YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD THAT OSA IS PART OF AND HIS COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE BEEN TERRIFIC, REAL PATH BREAKERS FOR US ALL IS THAT BOSTON MEDICAL CENTER HAS REALLY TAKEN NOTE AND THEY HAVE REALLY BEEN LISTENING TO THESE VOICES, AND NOW ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE INSTITUTIONALIZING A YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD AT OUR HOSPITAL MOVING TOWARD.

AND VERY MUCH HOPING THIS CAN BE A MODEL FOR OTHER HOSPITALS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

>> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REALLY DONE IN MANY HOSPITALS, KATHERINE, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THAT?

>> YEAH, SHOCKINGLY, IT IS VERY MUCH THE MINORITY OF HEALTH-CARE SYSTEMS THAT ARE DOING THESE KINDS OF ACTIONS.

WE HAVE A HISTORY OF COMMUNITIES HEALTH SECTORS HAVING PATIENT ADVISORY BOARD, IF THERE ARE YOUTH ON THEM AT ALL THEY ARE GENERALLY TOKENNIZED AS A VOICE.

BUT HAVING A YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD THAT REALLY ACTUALLY HAS SOME SORT OF COLLECTIVE POWER, AND AGENCY IS NOT SEEN.

>> DOES THIS REPRESENT ANY SORT OF SHIFT BRINGING THE ROLE OF SOCIAL SCIENCE INTO HOW HEALTH CARE AND MEDICINE IS DELIVERED?

IS THAT S THERE A SHIFT THERE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR HAS THIS ALREADY BEEN GOING ON?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN I THINK THE SHIFT IS HAPPENING.

I THINK THAT MANY RESEARCHERS ARE AWARE OF THE NEED FOR ALL VOICES IN RESEARCH.

AND THE PARTICIPATORY RESEARCH METHOD REALLY ARE SORT OF CENTERED IN ENGAGING PARTICIPATES, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE RESEARCH PROCESS.

SO THAT WE ARE PARTNERING IN IDENTIFYING PRIORITIES AS WELL AS SOLUTIONS.

>> Neisloss: SO A LOT IS SAID ABOUT A LACK OF TRUTH BETWEEN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND MAJOR HEALTH CARE STEUT INSTITUTIONS.

DO YOU THINK THAT YOUTH ADVISORY BOARDS CAN PLAY A BIG ROLE IN RESTORING THAT TRUST OR BUILDING TRUST?

I SHOULDN'T SAY RESTORING BECAUSE IT'S HISTORICALLY HASN'T BEEN THERE.

IN BUILDING THAT TRUST?

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL AND YOU MENTIONED IT, THAT TRUST HAS HISTORICALLY NOT BEEN THERE.

SO YOU KNOW, YOUTH ADVISORY BOARDS ARE IMPORTANT LIKE NOT JUST PERFORM-- PER FORMATIVE ACTIONS WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PERFORMATIVE ACTIONS, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHINGS THAT REQUEST BE SO PERFORM TIFF WHEN YOU GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE IDEALLY TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE IDEAS ABOUT HOW THEY DID POSITIVELY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH BRINGING A WARENESS TO HEALTH ISSUES.

>> THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT NOT JUST BEING PERFORM TIFF.

KATHERINE CAN YOU HELP EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE SOMETHING CONCRETE THAT A TEEN ADVISORY BOARD MIGHT MOVE THE NEEDLE ON IN TERMS OF, FOR EXAMPLE, COVID IMMUNIZATIONS, REACHING THE COMEUMENT, IDEAS TO REACH A COMMUNITY.

ARE THERE SPECIFICS WHERE YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD MOVE THE NEEDLE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK ABOUT ALL THE TIME IN HEALTH CARE IS WHAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT WE ARE GIVING AND IS IT ACTUALLY THAT THE MESSAGE THAT IS GOING TO HIT THE TARGET AUDIENCE.

SO HAVING A YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD ACTUALLY YOU CAN WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE EXPERTS AND SAY IS THIS WHAT YOU THINK ITS ODD YINS NEEDS TO HEAR AND HOW WOULD YOU DO IT DIFFERENTLY.

AND THEN ACTUALLY CREATING CAMPAIGNS AROUND THAT.

NOARP OPPORTUNITY OBVIOUSLY IS WE'RE IN A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

AND WE KNOW THAT THAT IS DEEPLY IMPACTING YIT AND MARGINAL ICED COMMUNITIES AND STREULY EVERYBODY.

AND HOW ARE WE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BRIDGING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACES LIKE HOSPITALS AND COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTRES WITH WHAT COMMUNITIES NEED AND WE NEED AMBASSADORS AND WE NEED VOICES THAT HAVE THE WISDOM, WHO HAVE THE LIVED EXPERIENCE TO BE GUIDING US.

>> ASTRAEA, DO YOU SEE THAT THIS COULD BE BE ABOUT THE IN OTHER WAYS FOR OTHER HOSPITALS OFF THE MODEL THAT YOU HAVE CREATED.

>> SWLEUTSLY, I THINK THAT THIS IS, THIS WAS A PILOT.

WE ARE LIMITED FUNDING.

THE YOUNG PEOPLE THEN BROUGHT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND FININGS TO BOSTON MEDICAL CENTER AND SAID THIS SHOULD BE INSTITUTIONALIZED AND I REALLY BELIEVE IN THE BEST PRACTICES, WE NEED TO EVALUATE THE BEST PRACTICES.

AND THEN THINK ABOUT HOW THEY CAN BE DISSEMINATE MODER NATIONALLY.

>> DO YOU THINK THIS WILL SHIFT VIEW POINTS AMONG YOUTH OF COLOR, THAT THIS REALLY CAN MOVE THE NEEDLE, THIS KIND OF INVOLVEMENT, DO YOU THINK THAT IT WILL BE EM POOING.

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK IT HAS, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

AND YOU KNOW, IN THE EARLY STAIMGS, IT MIGHT FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T DISCOURAGE US THAT THERE IS SO MUCH WORK TO BE DONE.

THERE IS WORK TO BE DONE AND I THINK THAT THIS HAS PO SENGS-- POTENTIAL.

IT IS ALL ABOUT BEING INTENTIONAL, THE WORK THAT YOU GIVE THEM.

SO YEAH, I'M EXCITED.

>> Neisloss: WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, IT IS REALLY FASCINATING WORK.

THANK YOU.

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