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>>> SILENCE IS A VIRTUE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU KEEP YOUR DIRT OUT OF SIGHT.

WELCOME TO REPORTERS ROUNDTABLE.

THE ROUNDTABLE THIS WEEK INCLUDES POLITICS REPORTER FOR NJ VANCE MEDIA.

MICHAEL SIMON, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR NJ 101.

WE WILL GET INTO IT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES BUT WE BEGIN WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT SILENCE.

OR FORCED SILENCE, PREEMPTIVELY IN THE FORM OF AN DAS.

OUR GUEST IS WELL KNOWN TO A LOT OF YOU.

A STORY OF SEXUAL ASSAULT DURING THE GOVERNOR PHIL MURPHY CAMPAIGN WHO EXPOSED THE STEW OF MISOGYNY, HYPOCRISY, AND LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT PERVADED AND WE KNOW STILL PERVADES THE POLITICS, OUR GOVERNMENT, AND THE CORPORATE ENVIRONMENT.

IT IS A PLEASURE TO WELCOME BACK TO THE ROUNDTABLE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> SO, YOU REBOUNDED FROM THE LOWEST POINT IN YOUR LIFE IS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE RIGHTS OF VICTIMS OF HARASSMENT AND WORSE IN THE WORKPLACE AND TRYING TO PUSH LEGISLATION FORWARD.

TELL US ABOUT THE SPEAK OUT ACT.

WHAT IT IS AND HOW YOU BROUGHT IT UP IN JERSEY CITY THIS WEEK?

>> IT SAYS THAT BOTH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WOULD GO TO CONGRESS FOR A VOTE.

WHAT THE ACT DOES IS HAS MANDATORY NDA TO SILENCE HARASSMENT, ASSAULT, AND ABUSE IN THE WORKPLACE.

1 AND 3 EMPLOYEES ARE SUBJECT TO AN NDA OF THIS SORT.

SO MAD YOU START WORK TODAY.

YOU'RE FILLING OUT YOUR PAPERWORK AND ONE OF THEM IS AN NDA.

THEN, GOD FORBID, SOMETHING HAPPENS, AND THEN YOU CANNOT TELL ANYBODY ABOUT IT.

YOU CANNOT TELL YOUR FRIENDS.

YOUR PARTNER.

AND SOMETIMES EVEN A LAWYER.

SO, WHAT IT DOES IS MAKE SURE THAT THE REAL -- >> DETAIL THE STORY ABOUT GOING TO SEE JULIE ROGINSKY TO TALK ABOUT YOUR SITUATION.

YOU'RE BOTH INVOLVED IN THAT CAMPAIGN.

>> SO, IT BECAME PUBLIC, I WENT FOR ADVICE.

A FORMER SENIOR ADVISER FOR THE MURPHY CAMPAIGN FOR HELP, I DID NOT KNOW WHAT SHE HAD SEEN AND ENDURED.

SHE WAS NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO TELL ME.

HER NDA PREVENTED HER FROM TELLING ME THAT I WAS THAT I WAS NOT ALONE.

PREVENTED HER FROM TELLING ME THAT IT WAS A TOXIC ENVIRONMENT FOR FEMALE WORKERS OF THE CAMPAIGN.

SHE COULD NOT CONFIDE INTO ME ANYTHING AT ALL.

AFTER MY STORY BECAME PUBLIC, SHE WAS WARNED NOT TO DISCLOSE ANYTHING.

FOR ANYONE WHO WANTED TO SUPPORT FURTHER.

SHE SENT ME NOTICE THAT IT WAS INVESTIGATION AND THAT IT WAS EFFECTIVELY AN NDA, SAME THAT COULD FACE TERMINATION FOR SAYING ANYTHING TO ANYONE ABOUT CIRCUMSTANCES OF MY OWN OR ANY OTHER COMPLAINT.

SO, BUILDING ON FORCED ARBITRATION OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT ACT WHICH WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY VICE -- BY PRESIDENT BIDEN EARLY THIS YEAR, FINALLY SHARE THE STORY.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HOLD PREDATORS ACCOUNTABLE.

>> YOU ARE UNDER AN NDA.

HAVE YOU VIOLATED IT?

>> AT THIS POINT, THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.

BUT I HAVE TOOK STEPS THAT NO OTHER PERSON HAS TO DO.

THERE'S NO THE PERSON WHO HAS TO WORRY ABOUT LOSING THEIR JOB , ABOUT NOT RECEIVING THE SUPPORT THEY NEED, AND KNOW THAT THE PERPETRATOR COULD COMMIT THESE OFFENSES TO THEIR FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES.

>> THESE ARE THINGS THEY HEAR FROM THOSE WHO REQUIRE AN DAS.

ONE IS THAT THEY ARE VOLUNTARY.

IF YOU WANT TO JOB, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT LIKE A TIME CLOCK OR CODE OF CONTACT, AND ALSO IT COVERS PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.

WHAT ABOUT THAT?

>> THE SPEAK OUT ACT DOES NOT AND ALL NDA'S.

IT IS THE PROVISION THAT WOULD STOP YOU TO SPEAKING OUT ABOUT HARASSMENT, SALT, AND ABUSE.

IF COCA-COLA WANTS TO PROTECT THE RECIPE FOR COCA-COLA, THAT IS FINE.

BUT IF SOMEONE IS HARMED IN THE WORKPLACE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>>, THE FACT THAT THEY ARE VOLUNTARY?

>> CERTAINLY YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORK ANYWHERE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WITH THE WIDESPREAD USE, THAT IS IT REALLY VOLUNTARY IF ONE IN THREE EMPLOYEES ARE SUBJECTED TO THIS?

IT IS A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE USING TACTICS OF THIS SORT.

AND I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF VOLUNTARY, IF YOU CHOOSE TO REPORT, IF YOU CHOOSE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT AFTER SOMEONE WAS HARMED AND SIGNED AN NDA, YOU CAN STILL DO THAT.

IT DOES NOT STOP IT, EITHER.

HAVING TO FORGO YOUR RIGHT BEFORE SOMETHING EVEN HAPPENS.

>> LET ME GET A PANEL QUESTION IN HERE.

>> I'M JUST CURIOUS, DOES THIS PARTNERSHIP THAT YOU HAVE HAVE ANY LOCAL OR OTHERWISE POLITICAL EXPIRATION?

>> JAMES IS A LONGTIME FRIEND.

AND, WHEN I SOUGHT ASSISTANCE FROM FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES WHO MAYBE COULD HELP ADVOCATE TO THEIR PROFESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES, JAMES WAS THERE TO HELP AND I AM GLAD THAT WHAT JAMES IS DOING IS BRINGING MORE ATTENTION TO NEW JERSEY.

IN FACT, IN NEW JERSEY, AND DAS WERE MADE FOR THIS PURPOSE.

IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BRING AWARENESS AND TO DO THAT, SO THAT PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY KNOW THAT THIS IS ALL LEGAL.

>> YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> HI, KATIE.

WHO IS CARRYING THE MANTLE NOW FOR WOMEN'S ISSUES AND WHAT LAWS NEED TO CHANGE?

>> I WOULD HOPE THAT IT IS EVERYBODY.

I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYONE IN THE LEGISLATURE COULD CARRY THAT MANTLE AND IT IS NOT JUST FOR WOMEN.

IT IS FOR ALL SURVIVORS.

ANYONE WHO HAS EXPERIENCED ASSAULT, HARASSMENT, ABUSE, SO THIS IS IN MANY WAYS NOT JUST ABOUT PHOTO BEEN SOMETHING LIKE ME, BUT ANYONE WHO HAS EXPENSED DISCRIMINATION, BIGOTRY, OR OTHERWISE IN THE WORKFORCE.

>> YOU PART OF THIS COMMITTEE WITH LORETTA WEINBERG AND OTHERS, EXAMINING THE TOXIC CLIMATE OF PROGENY, HARASSMENT, AND SEXUAL ASSAULT, IN STATE POLICY.

SOME CAME OUT OF THAT.

I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT IN STATE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE, BUT YOU KNOW PEOPLE THROUGHOUT STATE GOVERNMENT.

HAS IT CHANGED THE CULTURE THERE MUCH, DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK WE'VE MADE TREMENDOUS PROGRESS AND THERE IS ALWAYS MORE TO DO.

WHAT WE CAN DO TO CODIFY SOME OF THE PROTECTIONS, THE MORE WE CAN DO TO CHOOSE A ROAD WITH THE CLAUSE THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME WHEN MY STORY WENT PUBLIC.

SO, YOU ASK WHETHER I SPOKE AGAINST THE NDA.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEAR FOR THEIR SAFETY OR RETALIATIONS.

ABLE TO SPEAK UP IS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT AT THIS POINT BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD -- THEY SHOW THE OPTION.

ULTIMATELY, IS ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE CULTURE CHANGES AND THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY FOR OUR FRIENDS AND OUR COLLEAGUES AND OUR BOSSES.

>> ALL RIGHT.

IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR COMING ON AND JOINING US FROM THE WEST COAST.

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.

>> LET'S BRING YOU IN HERE.

BRENT, MICHAEL, IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS.

THIS LOT HAPPENING THIS WEEK.

IT IS LIKE A LOOPY WEEK IN TRENTON.

BEGINNING ON MONDAY WITH THE STRANGE BEDFELLOWS.

THEY ANNOUNCED A $2 BILLION EXPANSION OF COOPER UNION HOSPITALS.

IRONIES ABOUND.

CAN YOU COUNT THE WAYS?

>> I CAN COUNT THEM.

I MEAN, DID SEE WHAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING.

I THINK IT INDICATED TO THEM THAT MAYBE PHIL MURPHY, WHO LOOK LIKE HE MIGHT HAVE DONE IT LOOKS LIKE HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.

>> DIDN'T A BUNCH OF NORCROSS ALLIES KICK HIS POLITICAL POSTERIOR IF THEY SHOWED THE EMPLOYEES UP?

>> THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.

>> IT HAS BEEN YEARS.

>> IT CERTAINLY WAS UNUSUAL.

BUT, THEY DID AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND THE POLITICIANS WERE PRETTY REGULARLY CALLED ON.

EVEN PEOPLE THAT THEY MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH ON EVERYTHING.

THIS IS A $2 BILLION INVESTMENT .

THEY WERE NOT GOING TO TURN THAT DOWN.

I REMEMBER WHEN GOVERNOR CHRISTIE WAS SERVING AND THE SENATOR PASSED AWAY AND GOVERNOR CHRISTIE MADE A REALLY NICE SPEECH ABOUT IT.

VERY HEARTFELT.

IT WAS MEMORABLE.

THEY DO NOT AGREE ON MUCH OF ANYTHING, SO, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT POLITICIANS COMPARTMENTALIZE.

I DON'T THINK THE SHARE WHICH PARTY'S PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION.

>> AND OF COURSE, NO REAL DETAILS ON HOW THIS WILL BE PAID FOR, BUT WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING THESE THREE TOGETHER?

WHO IS THE ALPHA HERE?

>> YOU WILL NEVER GET BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, $2 BILLION GOING TO A MAJOR HOSPITAL IN A CITY THAT HAS OFTEN NEEDED ATTENTION.

SO IT IS NOT THE YOU WOULD SEE THREE PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT NORMALLY BE IN THE SAME ROOM ENDING UP IN THE SAME ROOM FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO, THERE IS NOT A HOW IS WOULD BE PAID FOR OR WHO WILL PAY FOR.

BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF STATE- LEVEL EVENTS THAT WILL HAVE PEOPLE SHOT.

>> A POLITICS THIS WEEK.

LAST WEEK IT WAS CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT SEVEN.

A BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE GOP KEEPING TOM PAINE AWAY FROM THE LEGITIMATE PRESS.

THIS WEEK IT IS DISTRICT 11.

THEY SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE UNFILTERED.

A CYNICAL PERSON MIGHT THINK THERE WAS A COORDINATED STRATEGY AT PLAY HERE.

WHAT YOU THINK?

>> CERTAINLY, IT IS A COMMON COMPLAINT AMONG REPUBLICANS THIS DAY THAT THEY DO NOT GET A FAIR SHAKE.

THAT REGARD, I'M NOT SURE THAT DISTRICT IS WHERE THAT MESSAGE CARRIES OR MAYBE PUT A VICTORY.

FT. LEE FRESH THE MEDIA, THERE'S SOMETHING ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

I THINK THAT WHEN YOUR COLLEAGUE IS DURING A STORY THE THIRD DISTRICT RACE, SHE HAD TROUBLE WITH CONGRESSMAN KEMP ABOUT THAT.

IT IS NOT ALWAYS EXCLUSIVE TO ONE PARTY, THE RELAXANTS TO ANSWER THE POTENTIALLY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS.

>> DOESN'T REALLY HELP REPUBLICANS BYPASS THE PRESS?

SHOULD THEY BE TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS?

SHOULD THEY READ AND LISTEN TO NEWS?

>> IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS ENOUGH TO CARRY YOU OVER, THEN SURE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T FOLLOW POLITICAL SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY ARE REALLY REACHING OUT TO THE SWEATERS AND THEN AGAIN, MAYBE THE POINT IS THAT YOU'RE REACHING OUT YOUR BASE AND IT DOES NOT MATTER TO REACH OUT TO THOSE VOTERS AND THOSE VOTERS ARE GOING TO VOTE REGARDLESS OF THIS TYPE OF THING.

IT IS STRANGE WORLD FOR ME.

I'M OFTEN TOLD BY PEOPLE IN THIS INDUSTRY THAT TWITTER IS NOT THE WORLD.

FACEBOOK IS NOT THE WORLD.

BY THAT LOGIC, YOU NEED TRADITIONAL MEDIA TO GET A BROADER MESSAGE OUT.

>> A LOT OF US GOT A CHUCKLE OVER THE SENATOR SUGGESTING THAT THE GOVERNOR WOULD RELEASE THE SEX POLICE A NONCOMPLIANT SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

THIS IS SERIOUS FOR SOME PEOPLE.

WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?

>> I KNEW I WOULD GET THE SEX POLICE QUESTION.

I'M EITHER TALKING ABOUT THE SEX EDUCATION CURRICULUM STANDARDS.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED BEEN VEILED IN SCHOOL RIGHT NOW.

NOT SURE WHAT THE SENATORS TALKING ABOUT BY THE SEX POLICE.

BUT, HE AND OTHER REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES IN THE STATE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THIS SO-CALLED THREAT FROM THE STATE THAT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS DON'T IMPLEMENT THE STANDARDS, THEY WILL BE IN TROUBLE.

AND THAT WOULD BE AN UNFORMED WARNING OR AN UNFAIR THREAT.

>> MICHAEL, I TURN TO YOU.

THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THE STUFF GETS TALKED ABOUT.

HOW MUCH ARE PARENTS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE REPUBLICANS SAY IS THIS RADICAL SEX ED AGENDA OF THE DEMOCRATS?

>> THERE ARE SOME WHO CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.

I THINK THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYBODY.

THERE ALSO APPARENT TO SUPPORT THAT SORT OF EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS AS WELL.

IT'S NOT 100%, EITHER DIRECTION.

WE HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING.

AND ONE 1.5 HELD A TOWN HALL MEETING ON THE STATION THURSDAY NIGHT ON THIS TOPIC.

AND WHAT IS TRUE ABOUT IT AND WHAT IS NOT.

AND SO, THERE IS CERTAINLY INTEREST IN IT AND SO, IT WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE FOR MUCH OF THE SCHOOL YEAR UNTIL WE GET TO THE END AND THEN PARENTS FIND THAT THE KIDS LEARN SOMETHING OBJECTIONABLE OR THEY SAY, IS THAT ALL THIS WAS, MAYBE THIS WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

>>> LET'S SWITCH GEARS.

WE SAW PRESIDENT BIDEN ON 60 MINUTES THIS WEEK AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, IS YOU IS OR IS YOU AIN'T GOING TO RUN.

LET'S HEAR WHAT HE SAID THAT WILL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT.

>> Reporter: SIR, ARE YOU RECOMMITTED TO RUNNING AGAIN OR ARE THERE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE RIGHT?

>> IF I WERE TO SAY TO YOU I AM RUNNING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN A RANGE OF THINGS COME INTO PLAY AND REQUIREMENTS THAT I HAVE TO CHANGE WITH WHAT I DO.

>> Reporter: IN TERMS OF ELECTION LAWS?

>> IN TERMS OF ELECTION LAWS.

IT IS MUCH TOO EARLY TO MAKE THAT SORT OF DECISION.

I'M A GREAT RESPECT HER FATE.

DOING MY JOB AND I'M DOING IT AND IN THE TIME FOR THE MAKE SENSE, AFTER THIS NEXT ELECTION CYCLE HERE, GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR, IT MIGHT SHOW ME DIRECTION WHAT TO DO.

>> Reporter: YOU SAID IS MUCH TOO EARLY TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

I TICKET THE DECISION HAS NOT BEEN MADE IN YOUR OWN HEAD?

>> LOOK, MY INTENTION WAS THAT I WOULD RUN AGAIN.

IS JUST AN INTENTION.

IS IT A FIRM DECISION THAT I RUN AGAIN?

THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

>> Reporter: JUST AN INTENTION.

I DO NOT KNOW ANY PRESIDENT WAS WON FOR PRESIDENT AND THEN WINS THE PRESIDENT SAYS I'M GOING TO DO JUST ONE TIME.

CONVINCED OR NOT CONVINCED THAT HE IS GOING TO RUN AGAIN AND THEN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE JERSEY GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN EYEING THAT OFFICE, THE PRESENT GOVERNOR AND THE PRESENT U.S.

SENATOR?

>> YOU TALK TO ANYBODY IN NEW JERSEY, THEY REALLY DO EXPECT JOE BIDEN TO RUN FOR A SECOND TERM.

BUT, COMING FROM THE HORSES MOUTH HIMSELF, IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE A GUARANTEE.

SO THE THOUGHT PROCESSES, CORY BOOKER HAS DONE THIS ALREADY.

CHRIS CHRISTIE HAS DONE THIS ALREADY.

HE IS A REPUBLICAN, BUT THEY ARE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT IT.

AND THE QUESTION IS WILL GOVERNOR MURPHY RUN?

HE WILL NOT CHALLENGE HIM IN A PRIMARY.

OR AT LEAST OPEN THE DOOR AND CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS OR YEARS TO HEAR THIS SPECULATION ABOUT PHIL MURPHY, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, AND NO ONE WILL SAY YES OR NO AND WILL SAY NO.

SO I GUESS THAT IS WHAT WE ARE IN FOR.

>> WAS IT SURPRISING, MICHAEL?

THAT HE LEFT THE DOOR SO WIDE OPEN?

>> YOU MENTIONED JUST A SECOND AGO, THAT HE NEVER HEARD A PRESIDENT ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAY.

IT HAS BEEN WELL NOTED.

IS ALSO THE OLDEST PRESIDENT IN THIS COUNTRY'S HISTORY.

THAT'S PART OF THE EQUATION.

THERE'S A CERTAIN TRAIN OF THOUGHT THAT HE MIGHT BE THE BEST CANDIDATE TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP, BUT IT IS NOT CLEAR IF TRUMP IS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT.

BUT THERE STILL MANY VARIABLES.

>> AS OF 2024 WAS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH, THAT'S THINK ABOUT 2025.

TERRENCE.

HANDICAP THE RACE FOR ME FOR GOVERNOR.

IS IT HIS RACE TO WIN OR LOSE?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA.

POTENTIALLY, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2024 YET.

SO, IF TRUMP RUNS AND WINS AGAIN, DEMOCRATS WILL BE SO ANGRY THAT THEY WILL COME OUT THE NEXT YEAR LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN 2017.

BUT IF BIDEN WINS AGAIN, HISTORY INDICATES THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD YEAR FOR REPUBLICANS.

SO I THINK IT IS TOO EARLY AND WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHO WINS THE PRESIDENCY TO SEE WHO IS BEST POSITION TO WIN THE GOVERNORSHIP.

>> IT IS KIND OF CLEAR THAT HE IS READY TO GO.

HE HAS A PRIVATE PAC THAT IS RAISING MONEY FOR HIM FROM EIGHT YEARS AGO.

HE IS GOING TO RUN, RIGHT?

>> I THINK THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WHO WE CAN SAFELY ASSUME ARE SERIOUS CANDIDATES.

ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO RUN.

THEY SAY HE IS TOO IN THE MIDDLE.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPOSITION FROM THE RIGHT WING.

BUT FOR DEMOCRATS, SWEENEY, EVEN THOUGH HE LOST HIS SENATE SEAT LAST YEAR, HE IS CONSIDERED A STRONG CANDIDATE.

THE STATE ASSEMBLY SPEAKER, THESE ARE ALL NAMES THAT ARE BEING MENTIONED.

SO, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A CROWDED DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY OR AT LEAST RUN UP TO THE PRIMARY.

I THINK 2025, THIS IS THE EARLY SO THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A GOVERNOR'S RACE.

THERE WILL BE AN OPEN SEAT AND WE WILL HAVE HIM AFTER THOSE YEARS.

BUT THE NOT RUNNING AGAIN.

THERE A LOT OF NAMES OUT THERE.

THANK YOU FOR THROWING ALL OF THOSE NAMES INTO THE GUMBO.

IT IS TIME FOR OUR ONLY NEW JERSEY SEGMENT.

NEWS THAT IS SO QUINTESSENTIALLY JERSEY.

TO HAVE ONE FOR US?

>> YES.

MY FAVORITE ONLY IN JERSEY STORY IS ABOUT THE SINATRA HOUSE.

THIS IS THE BOARDWALK BUNGALOW JUST A COUPLE DOORS DOWN FROM WHERE MY FAMILY RENTS EVERY SUMMER.

FOR DECADES, BLASTED SINATRA SONGS ALMOST 24 HOURS A DAY AND IT IS BEING SOLD FOR OVER $4 MILLION.

I'M CURIOUS WHETHER THE PEOPLE WHO BY THE SINATRA HOUSE ARE GOING TO CARRY ON THAT LEGACY OR MAYBE THEY'RE NOT SINATRA FANS.

>> IT WOULD BE WORTH EVERY PENNY.

>> DO YOU HAVE ONE FOR US?

>> SPEAKING OF THE GOVERNOR'S RACE.

YOU ACTUALLY SAW A LITTLE BIT OF IT ON TWITTER THIS WEEK WHEN HE TOOK A SHOT.

TWITTER IS NOT THE WORLD, BUT TO US POLITICAL REPORTERS, WE PAY LESS ATTENTION.

SO, GET READY FOR 2025, EVEN THOUGH 2022 IS NOT DONE YET.

>> MINE IS FROM CAMDEN THIS WEEK.

ONLY IN NEW JERSEY.

THE HOSPITAL BOARD CHAIRMAN AND THE GOVERNOR WHO THREATENED TO SUE AND THE FORMER GOVERNOR WHO CALLED THE CURRENT GOVERNOR A CURRENT CRAZY LIBERAL CAN GET TOGETHER FOR A HAPPY PHOTO UP AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE $2 BILLION HOSPITAL EXPANSION IN CAMDEN OF ALL PLACES.

ONLY IN JERSEY.

>>> AND THAT IS ROUNDTABLE FOR THIS WEEK.

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