>> BONNIE: THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY: FIRST, CAN WOMEN VOTERS SINK THE SUPREME COURT NOMINATION OF BRETT KAVANAUGH?

THEN - SOME CALL IT THE RESISTANCE HOTEL.

A HOTEL CREATED FOR PROGRESSIVES OPENING UP DOWN THE STREET FROM THE TRUMP HOTEL IN DC.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE LATEST ON THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BRETT KAVANAUGH.

DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD, WHO ACCUSES SUPREME COURT NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH OF ATTEMPTED SEXUAL ASSAULT, IS STILL NEGOTIATING THE TERMS FOR HER TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE SENATE.

DEMOCRATS ACCUSE REPUBLICANS OF TRYING TO UNFAIRLY RUSH THE PROCESS.

THEY SAY MORE TIME SHOULD BE TO AVOID MISTAKES MADE DURING DURING CLARENCE THOMAS' SUPREME COURT CONFIRMATION PROCESS, INTERRUPTED BY ALLEGATIONS MADE BY ANITA HILL AGAINST HIM.

HILL HERSELF ADVISED CONGRESS IN AN OP-ED TO NOT RUSH HEARINGS.

SHE ACCUSED THOMAS, WHO WAS ULTIMATELY CONFIRMED, OF MAKING INAPPROPRIATE AND HARASSING REMARKS TOWARDS HER.

BUT THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST KAVANAUGH ARE MORE SERIOUS.

DR. FORD SAYS WHEN THEY WERE BOTH TEENAGERS, KAVANAUGH HELD HER DOWN AND STARTED TO RIP OFF HER CLOTHES AGAINST HER WILL.

WHEN SHE ATTEMPTED TO SCREAM FOR HELP, KAVANAUGH ALLEGEDLY COVERED HER MOUTH.

[CHANTING WE BELIEVE CHRISTINE FOLDER] HOLTON ARMS ALUMNAE WERE BUOYED DEMONSTRATORS AS THEY PRESENTED SENATORS MAZIE HIRONO AND KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND LATE IN THE WEEK WITH A LETTER SUPPORTING DR. FORD.

IT WAS SIGNED BY 1,000 GRADUATES OF THE COLLEGE PREP SCHOOL.

>> SARA BURGESS: AS WE SAY IN THE LETTER, HER EXPERIENCE IS CONSISTENT WITH EXPERIENCES WE HAVE HEARD AND LIVED AND SOME OF US ARE SURVIVORS.

WE ARE SHARING THIS LETTER SO IT CAN BE OFFICIALLY ADDED TO THE RECORD.

>> ALEXIS: I'M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY DON'T MESS WITH WITH DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD, DON'T MESS WITH THE ALUMNAE OF THE HOLTON ARMS SCHOOL, MOST IMPORTANTLY DON'T MESS WITH SURVIVORS.

>> KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND: SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN INCOMPLETE INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI, SO SHE IS NOT ASKING FOR EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES, SHE' ASKING FOR BASIC FAIRNESS, THIS IS ABOUT BASIC FAIRNESS AND I DO HOPE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I DO HOPE EVERY WOMAN IN AMERICA IS PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS BODY IN THE US SENATE TODAY.

THIS IS NOT 1991.

THEY'RE GIVING HER AN OPTION SHOW UP MONDAY OR DON'T SHOW UP AT ALL.

I CONSIDER THAT TO BE BULLYING.

>> MAZIE HIRONO: IF THEY THINK THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND ALL THE WOMEN WHO ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE NOW MORE THAN EVER IN THE ENTIRE HSTORY OF OUR COUNTRY THEY I HOPE WILL BE BADLY MISTAKEN COME THE 2018 ELECTION.

>> BONNIE: JUDGE KAVANAUGH SEEMED HEADED TO CERTAIN CONFIRMATION BY CONGRESS UNTIL THE ACCUSATIONS SURFACED.

POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES ARE TRYING TO SPIN THIS STORY TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.

BUT THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW IS IT PLAYING WITH VOTERS, PARTICULARLY WOMEN VOTERS BACK HOME.

REPUBLICANS ARE AFRAID TO LOSE MODERATE REPUBLICAN WOMEN AND DEMOCRATS WANT TO STOKE URGENCY SO THEIR CORE SUPPORTERS ARE MOTIVATED TO GO TO THE POLLS.

THERE ARE 256 MAINLY DEMOCRATIC WOMEN RUNNING FOR FEDERAL OFFICE AND IT'S UP IN THE AIR WHETHER THE EXPLOSION OF COVERAGE OF THIS SITUATION WILL HELP THOSE CANDIDATES WIN THEIR RACES.

SO, CONGRESSWOMAN, WILL WOMEN BE MOTIVATED TO GO OUT AND VOTE AGAINST, TAKE DOWN SENATORS WHO VOTE TO CONFIRM BRETT KAVANAUGH >> ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON: BONNIE, KAVANAUGH AMOUNTS TO A HUGE ADD ON FOR THE BANNER YEAR ALREADY UNDERWAY FOR DEMOCRATIC CONTROL.

>> I DON'T THINK WOMEN WILL VOTE EITHER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I DON'T THINK WOMEN VOTE THE SAME, I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.

>> I THINK THEY WILL.

I THINK THE SENATORS ARE IN TROUBLE FOR WOMEN THAT DON'T SEE THIS AS A FAIR PROCESS AND I THINK REPUBLICANS IN GENERAL SEE IT AS A PARTY THAT ENABLES SEXUAL PREDATORS ARE IN TROUBLE.

>> I THINK WOMEN ARE TAKEN MORE INTO CONSIDERATION THAN ACCUSATION THAT IS MADE.

THEY WON'T VOTE JUST ON THIS SITUATION ALONE.

>> BONNIE ERBE: THIS WEEK HAS FELT LIKE, YOU'RE BEING SLAPPED ONE DIRECTION ONE DAY AND SLAPPED THE OTHER DIRECTION THE NEXT.

BUT AS OF LATE IN THE WEEK, IT REALLY LOOKED ESPECIALLY AFTER WHAT TOOK PLACE ON CAPITAL HILL ON THURSDAY WHEN THE SENATORS CAME OUT WITH THOSE THOUSANDS OF SUPPORTERS, IT REALLY LOOKED LIKE HE'S BECOME RADIOACTIVE.

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE VERY NEXT DAY ON FRIDAY YOU HAD A WHOLE HOST OF WOMEN UP THERE SUPPORTING BRETT KAVANAUGH AT A BIG PRESS EVENT.

SO I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT CHANGES DAY TO DAY.

IT IS GOING TO MATTER WHO ENDS UP TESTIFYING, WHEN THEY TESTIFY AND I THINK A LOT OF THIS, BONNIE, WILL BE, YES, THE TESTIMONIES IF THEY OCCUR, BUT THEN, TWO, I THINK PEOPLE ARE SMARTER THAN JUST THINKING IS THIS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TAKE THE ALLEGATION SERIOUSLY BUT THERE IS ALSO THE QUESTIONS OF HOW THIS IS PLAYED OUT FRANKLY AND HOW THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TRIED TO USE THIS FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

>> I KNOW, BUT THERE WAS AN NBC POLL THAT CAME OUT THURSDAY NIGHT THAT SHOWED THAT HE -- KAVANAUGH SUPPORT IS DOWN BY NINE POINTS OVER A MONTH AGO.

>> THAT MAY BE THE CASE.

I HAVE SEEN A HUFFINGTON POST POLL THAT ASKS BOTH MEN AND WOMEN IF THEY TAKE THE ALLEGATIONS AND THEY BELIEVE THE ALLEGATIONS AND SO FORTH I WAS LIKE UNDER 30% FOR BOTH MEN AND W W W ACTUALLY, MORE MEN BELIEVE THESE ALLEGATIONS MAY HAVE BEEN TRUE THAN THE WOMEN THAT WERE POLLED.

>> BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THESE ARE BIGGER THAN THESE SPECIFIC -- I WAS SPEAKING TO NORTH GILL GILL AFTER THIS PRESS CONFERENCE AND SHE SAID MEGAN, LOOK, 1991.

THIS COMPARES NEGATIVELY RELATIVE TO HOW WE TREATED ANITA HILL.

IN THE EYES OF HISTORY WE ALREADY KNOW SHE LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS HUNG OUT TO DRY.

AND IN THE CASE OF DR. FORD, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE HER AN FBI INVESTIGATION?

I KNOW THAT IS STILL BEING NEGOTIATED AT THIS POINT.

BUT TO START OUT WITH, YOU COME UP AND IT IS YOUR WORD AGAINST THIS WHOLE SYSTEM.

AND BY THE WAY, IN 1991 WE HAD ALL MEN ON THAT JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND -- >> AND LED BY A DEMOCRAT OF ALL THINGS.

>> BIDEN UNDERSTOOD AFTER IT HAPPENED THAT THAT THING WAS, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISED AND HE PUT -- >> WEREN'T THEY THE ONES THAT WALKED IN THE HOUSE OVER TO THE SENATE IN 1991 TO PROTEST INITIAL RESPONSE WHICH LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE NOT GOING TO LET ANITA HILL TESTIFY.

HOW NUCLEAR DID IT TURN OUT TO BE THEN FOR THE SENATORS WHO VOTED TO CONFIRM CLARENCE TOM US AND HOW NUCLEAR WILL IT BE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IF HE ATTEMPTS TO LET THE NUCLEAR MEANING WITH WOMEN VOTERS BOTH DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN IF HE -- IF HE KEEPS PUSHING THIS NOMINATION FORWARD?

>> WELL, WOMEN DIDN'T WIN ON THE NOMINATION.

CLARENCE THOMAS WAS CONFIRMED.

BUT WE CERTAINLY WON ON THE YEAR OF THE WOMAN.

>> BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WOMAN -- >> THAT IS WHEN YOU HAD MORE WOMEN WIN THEIR -- THEIR POST FOR THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.

YOU KNOW, THIS NOTION ABOUT WHO YOU BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY TOUGH FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT BELIEVING THIS WOMAN.

IT IS GOING TO SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW.

WE KNOW THAT 15-YEAR-OLD GIRL, THIS WOMAN OPENED THE EXPERTS.

IS VERY UNLIKELY TO COME FORWARD.

SHE FEELS SHAMED.

>> LIKE IT WAS HER FAULT.

>> HER FAULT.

>> BONNIE ERBE: SHE DID SOMETHING WRONG.

>> I MEAN, IF THAT IS TRUE FOR GROWN WOMEN IMAGINE WHAT THIS 15-YEAR-OLD, THIS TEENAGER FELT.

THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK THEMSELVES, WHAT IS THE MOTIVE FOR SOMEONE TO SUBJECT HERSELF TO THIS KIND OF EXPOSURE IF IN FACT -- >> BONNIE ERBE: POSSIBLE DEATH.

>> IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, SO WITH -- WITH HER MOTIVE, IT WILL BE VERY HARD.

AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SAY UNTIL I HEAR FROM HER IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO RECONCILE HOW A WOMAN WOULD DO THAT MEMORY -- SHE SEEMS TO REMEMBER A LOT OF WHAT IS MOTE IMPORTANT.

FOR EXAMPLE -- >> BONNIE: WELL WAIT -- >> FOR EXAMPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT YOUR WATCH WHEN YOU WENT TO BED LAST NIGHT BUT IF YOU WERE RAPED, YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY TOUGH FOR THOSE WHO SAY, I DON'T BELIEVE HER.

I BELIEVE BRETT KAVANAUGH.

>> I ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT SHE DOESN'T SEEM TO REMEMBER VERY KEY IMPORTANT FACTS.

>> SUCH AS.

>> BONNIE ERBE: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE REMEMBERS.

>> WHERE SHE SAID THIS HAPPENED.

>> 35 YEARS AGO WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU NOT REMEMBERING THE EXACT PLACE.

>> WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS -- >> SHE FEELS AT A PARTY AND SHE REMEMBERS WHO ELSE WAS THERE AND IN THE ROOM BUT SHE DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHOSE FRIEND'S HOUSE THIS WAS OR WHAT CITY IT WAS IN?

I HAVEN'T HAD THIS EXPERIENCE.

>> EVERY PARTY YOU WENT TO DO YOU REMEMBER WHOSE HOUSE IT WAS THAT LONG AGO?

>> IF -- >> LET'S -- >> IF I WAS ACCUSING SOMEBODY OF THIS I WOULD THINK I WOULD WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT HOUSE DID THIS HAM.

>> WRITE IT DOWN.

15 YEARS OLD.

>> BONNIE ERBE: THE POUND HERE IS BY THE WAY, STUDIES HAVE SHOWN REPUBLICAN PARTISANS ARE GOING TO BELIEVE HIM AND DEMOCRATIC PARTISANS ARE GOING TO BELIEVE HER.

THAT IS THE WAY IT BREAKS DOWN.

INDEPENDENCE WHO ARE NOT AS CLOSE TO IT AS WE ARE.

WHERE ARE THEY GOING GO WITH THIS?

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MATTER BECAUSE NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO MAJORITY IN TERMS OF PARTISAN VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY.

NEITHER PARTY HAS A MAJORITY AND THEY NEED INDEPENDENCE TO WIN.

>> I THINK THE CREDIBILITY ISSUE IS THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GIVE THIS WOMAN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

SOMETHING MAY HAVE HAPPENED TO HER.

WE WANT HER TO TELL HER STORY AND SHE SEEMED VERY READY TO TELL THAT STORY UNTIL UNFORTUNATELY WE'VE SEEN THE GOAL POST CONTINUE TO SHIFT FURTHER AND FURTHER BACK.

AND NOW I -- WHAT I CAN'T REALLY STAND HONESTLY IS THIS OBSESSION WITH THE WHITE MEN IN THE JUDICIARY RIGHT NOW AS THEY'RE THE ONES HOLDING BACK HER TESTIFYING WHEN, IN FACT, IT WAS A DEMOCRATIC FEMALE WHO SAT ON THIS ALLEGATION FOR WHAT, SINCE AUGUST 31ST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SINCE JULY -- MAY I FINISH?

SAT ON THIS INFORMATION WAITING UNTIL ONE WEEK BEFORE JUDGE KAVANAUGH WAS GOING TO BE CONFIRMED -- WAS GOING TO BE VOTED ON TO BRING IT UP.

>> BONNIE ERBE: MEGAN.

>> I JUST THINK THAT IS VERY MISPLACED.

AND I WOULD POSE IT THAT SENATOR FEINSTEIN IS -- WAS I BELIEVE IT WAS SENATOR FEINSTEIN.

>> YES.

>> WAS REEL EXPECTING THE WISHES OF A VICTIM AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD EVER -- >> BONNIE ERBE: SHE WAS UNFAIRLY POUNDED IN THE PRESS FOR HAVING DONE THAT?

>> YEAH.

I THINK THAT IS UNFAIR.

>> WHO DO WE THINK RELEASED HER NAME?

ET ONLY PERSON THAT HAD THAT LETTER WAS SENATOR FEINSTEIN AND HER STAFF AND THE "WASHINGTON POST."

AND ANOTHER DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES.

SO THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT -- >> WHO SAID ONLY DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES.

>> BONNIE ERBE: WAIT, WAIT, ONLY ONE AT A TIME.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW IF SHE ONLY SHOWED IT TO DEMOCRATIC CALM LEAGUES.

THIS WAS IN THE HANDS OF STAFF.

>> YEAH, STAFF.

>> DON'T FORGET WHAT KAVANAUGH.

>> REPUBLICAN STAFF IS STILL ASKING FOR THE LETTER.

>> NOT THE REDACTED VERSION BUT -- >> BONNIE ERBE: ONE AT A TIME.

>> IF YOU WATCH MOST OF THE NETWORKS ASKING YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO DEMOCRATS AND MANY HAVE ADMITTED IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT AND PROBABLY WAS THAT WILL LEAKED IT BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE S THAT HAD THE INFORMATION AND NOW THAT IT IS OUT THERE SHE'S WILLING TO COME FORWARD.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTER BECAUSE SHE HAD ALSO GONE TO.

>> YES.

>> WHY WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN SOMEONE FROM THE FOURTH OF THE STATE.

I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN CAST DISPERSION ON SENATOR FEINSTEIN WITHOUT HAVING MORE EVIDENCE.

>> LET'S SAY THAT THEY ARE -- >> MY BIG ISSUE IS WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR THE -- FOR THE SUPPOSED BLUE WAIVE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SEE AT THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER?

WHAT -- >> LET ME SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I TAKE ISSUE WITH YOUR NOTION THAT LOOK IT IS ONLY INDEPENDENTS HERE.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IT LOOKS LIKE REPUBLICAN WOMEN ARE BREAKING WITH THEIR HUSBANDS AND THAT THIS ISSUE MAY BE THE BREAKING POINT.

WE SAW THAT IN THE LAST ELECTION AND INDEED THE LAST SEVERAL ELECTIONS, MARRIED WOMEN ESPECIALLY PERIOD REPUBLICAN WOMEN TEND TO DO WHATEVER THEIR HUSBAND DO SO.

MAYBE THEY LIVE IN THE SAME HOW ELSE HOLD AND THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.

BUT WE ARE SEEING A DIFFERENT -- A DIFFERENT NUMBERS FROM REPUBLICAN WOMEN AND THIS COULD BE WHAT PUSHES IT OVER THE SIDE.

>> NOW, WHAT DO WE WILL EXPECT OF SENATOR SUSAN COLLINS AND LISA MERCOWSKI, TWO REPUBLICAN WOMEN IN THE SENATE WHO FREQUENTLY GO AGAINST THE PRESIDENT ON ISSUES SURROUNDING WOMEN'S RIGHTS?

>> WHAT I HAD FOLLOWED OF SUSAN COLLINS' TWITTER FIND I HAVE NOT TALKED TO HER PERSONALLY AND YOU MAY HAVE MORE INTEL BUT SHE SEEMS TO BE APPROACHING THIS THE RIGHT WAY WHICH IS WE WANT TO HEAR FROM BOTH PARTIES BUT SHE'S ALSO SAID, THERE IS A TIME LIONEL AND THAT -- A TIME LINE AND SHE FINDS IT INTERESTING HOW IT HAS TRICKLED OUT.

SO WHAT YOU LAID OUT SHE RAISES THE SAME QUESTIONS AND I THINK THIS IS DISCUSSED BETWEEN CLOSED DOORS.

BONNIE, CAN I RAISE ONE THING?

I KNOW THIS MATTERS TO THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS AND MATTERS IN POLITICS AND MATTERS WHO WILL END UP ON THE SUPREME COURT AND ALL THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BUT I DO THINK AND I'M FOR WOMEN COMING OUT, ABSOLUTELY.

PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HEARD.

BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE ACCUSATIONS THAT THROW PEOPLE'S LIVES POTENTIALLY IN THE GUTTER AND THEIR REPUTATION WHEN THEY MALE NOT BE TRUE.

AND I JUST -- WELL, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS.

THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED DUE PROCESS AND INNOCENT IN MANY PROVEN GUILTY.

BASICALLY MOST OF US HERE ARE SAYING HE'S GUILTY AND WE HAVE NOT HAD -- WE HAVE NOT HAD THE COURT.

>> KAVANAUGH SAYS HE'LL TESTIFY BUT NOT CALLING FOR AN FBI INVESTIGATION.

>> WHO?

>> KAVANAUGH.

>> INTERESTING.

I THINK THERE IS SOME REALLY GOOD REPORTING THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FBI INVESTIGATION AND WHO HAS JURISDICTION IF THAT IS THE CORRECT TERM AND I'M NOT A LAWYER.

IF THERE WAS NO FEDERAL VIOLATION OR FEDERAL CRIME THAT OCCURRED HERE THE FBI DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO INVESTIGATE THIS IS A FEDERAL CRIME.

SURE, THEY CAN INVESTIGATE AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY.

>> NOT A CRIME.

>> PART -- >> NO.

NO.

>> WAIT A MINUTE.

>> BONNIE ERBE: THIS SITUATION IT IS A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION.

IT IS MORE THE FBI ROUTINELY DOES -- >> AND THEY HAVE DONE SIX ON BRETT KAVANAUGH ALREADY.

>> >> BONNIE ERBE: FOR EVERY COURT NOMINATION.

>> THEY CONDUCTED SIX INVESTIGATIONS GOING BACK I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS IN THE CIRCUIT COURT.

>> THERE IS BRAND NEW EVIDENCE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED.

>> THEY DID FOR ANITA HILL BUT NOT HER WHY?

>> LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT COMPARING THIS TO ANITA HILL.

I THINK A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION THIS IS ANITA HILL.

WE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ENSURING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE DETAILS OF THIS SITUATION AS A ONE OFF INDIVIDUALLY NOT TRYING TO BRING IN PEOPLE'S PERSONAL EXPERIENCES, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS NOT ANITA HILL.

THESE ARE NOT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS AND AN ALLEGATION AND WE HAVE HAD TO BE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT IT.

>> BONNIE ERBE: IT IS ONE THING TO BE IN THE WORKPLACE WHICH IS DISGUSTING AND AWFUL TO BE TALKING ABOUT PORNOGRAPHY, IT IS QUITE ANOTHER TO PUT YOUR HAND OVER A MOUTH, THROW SOMEBODY ON THE BED AND START RIPPING HER CLOTHES OFF.

>> I TAKE YOUR POINT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT PEOPLE'S REPUTATION.

LET ME TELL YOU HOW CAREFUL SHE HAS BEEN.

HE HAD TO GO TO THE COURT OF APPEALS.

HE'S GOT TO GO FILE -- HE HAD TO GO FIVE TIMES BEFORE THE CONGRESS IN ONE FORM OR FASHION.

SHE DIDN'T COME FORWARD UNTIL SHE FELT SHE HAD TO.

SHE FELT SHE HAD A CIVIC OBLIGATION TO COME FORWARD WHEN THIS TIME HE'S ABOUT TO GO TO THE SUPREME COURT AND THERE IS NO RECOURSE EVEN IN OUR DEMOCRACY AFTER THE SUPREME COURT.

>> WELL, I HEARD DEMOCRATS SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO IMPEACH HIM IF HE GET ON THE COURTS.

THEY MUST THINK THERE IS A RECOURSE.

SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID THAT.

>> BONNIE ERBE: THIS IS VERY SERIOUS.

THIS IS VERY SERIOUS THAT SHE SAW A MAN BECOME A JUDGE THAT SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE SHOULD BECOME A JUDGE AT ALL AND IT WAS NOT UNTIL SHE THOUGHT THE COUNTRY WAS IMPLICATED BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT, THAT IS WHO IS INVOLVED.

SO -- >> BONNIE ERBE: LAST WORD, PETRICE.

>> I WANT TO HEAR HER COME FORWARD.

I WANT TO SEE HER LAWYERS NOT CONTINUE TO PUSH THE DEADLINE FURTHER AND FURTHER BACK PERHAPS FOR POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS AND I THINK THAT -- AND I THINK IF YOU LET ME FINISH AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO AN ISSUE OF CREDIBILITY BUT I'M SORRY HER CELLEDDABILITY IS ERODED EVERY TIME SHE'S NOT MAKING HERSELF AVAILABLE LIKE SHE SAID BEFORE.

BAUM ALL RIGHT.

THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE THINK.

THAT IS NOT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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BEHIND THE HEADLINES: AMERICA'S FIRST POLITICALLY MOTIVATED HOTEL IN WASHINGTON, D.C, EATON HOTEL.

>> KATHERINE LO: OUR MISSION FOR EATON WORKSHOP IS TO MERGE THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY WITH PROGRESSIVE SOCIAL CHANGE, AND REALLY REIMAGINE THE SPACE OF A HOTEL AND HOW IT CAN TRULY BE USED AS A COMMUNITY PLATFORM FOR THE ARTS AND SOCIAL CHANGE.

>> BONNIE ERBE: KATHERINE LO, IS THE DAUGHTER OF HONG KONG REAL ESTATE BILLIONAIRE KA-SHUI LO.

A FEW YEARS AGO HER FATHER ASKED HER TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA FOR A HOTEL CHAIN DESIGNED FOR MILLENIALS.

KATHERINE LO SAYS HER PASSION WASN'T ALWAYS IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY.

>> KATHERINE LO: MY PERSONAL BACKGROUND IS IN ANTHROPOLOGY, ACTIVISM AND FILM, SO I WASN'T ACTUALLY RAISED IN THE BUSINESS OR HOTEL WORLDS.

BUT FIVE YEARS AGO, MY FATHER, WHO RUNS OUR PARENT COMPANY, ASKED ME TO CREATE A NEW HOSPITALITY BRAND FOR HIM THAT WOULD REFLECT THE CHANGING NEEDS OF THIS RAPIDLY CHANGING WORLD, AND SO I BASICALLY COMBINED ALL MY PASSIONS FOR THE ARTS AND ACTIVISM AND SOCIAL CHANGE INTO THE PLATFORM FOR THE TROJAN HORSE OF A HOTEL.

>> BONNIE ERBE: LO SAYS FEMINISM, GENDER INEQUALITY AND PROVIDING A PLATFORM FOR THE UNDERSERVED WILL BE IMPORTANT TO EATON'S MISSION.

SHE'S INCORPORATED MANY FEATURES IN THE EATON HOTEL TO SUPPORT GUESTS' PROJECTS.

SHE HOPES IT WILL BE A HIVE FOR PROGRESSIVE THINKERS, ACTIVISTS AND ARTISTS.

>> KATHERINE LO: WE HAVE A RADIO STATION, WE HAVE ARTISTS AND ACTIVIST RESIDENCY SUITES, AND WE ALSO HAVE A CINEMA AS WELL AS A COWORKING CLUB.

ALL OF OUR PROGRAMMING WILL BE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND WE'RE ESPECIALLY DOING A LOT OF OUTREACH TO LOCAL ACTIVISTS TO OFFER THEM SPACES.

I THINK THE MOST VALUABLE THING EATON OFFERS IS REALLY PHYSICAL SPACES FOR ACTIVISTS TO GATHER AND MEET AND HOST EVENTS, SCREENINGS, AND TALKS.

FOR ACTIVISTS AND FOR NON-PROFITS AND CAUSES THAT WE BELIEVE IN, WE ARE DEFINITELY OFFERING A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES AT A REDUCED OR NO COST AT ALL.

>> BONNIE ERBE: EATON HAS BEEN CALLED THE "RESISTANCE" OR THE "ANTI-TRUMP" HOTEL, BUT LO PUSHES BACK AGAINST THOSE LABELS.

>> KATHERINE LO: FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I STARTED COMING UP WITH THE EATON CONCEPT ABOUT 5 YEARS AGO, A LONG TIME BEFORE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND THE MISSION WAS ALWAYS HAVE TO HOTELS BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE THEIR BEST SELF-S AND WHERE WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIAL CHANGE AND THE BEST 10 HEALTHY COMMUNITIES.

SO THE VALLEYS OF EQUALITY, ECHO AND HAS BEEN THERE FROM THE BEGINNING.

IT HAPPENS THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION MAY RUN COUNTER TO THE VALUES THAT WE CARE ABOUT.

>> BONNIE ERBE: TH CONSERVATIVE BLOG REDSTATE CRITICIZED EATON, CHARGING CONSERVATIVES WOULD NOT BE WELCOME.

BUT LO SAYS THEY WILL BUT LO SAYS HER HOTELS WILL NOT DISCRIMINATE.

>> KATHERINE LO: AS A HOSPITALITY BUSINESS IN D.C., WE WILL BE OPEN TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME HERE IF A CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION WHOSE BELIEFS WE REALLY DON'T AGREE SO IF A CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION DID COME THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY WHEN THEY COME HERE.

SO, IF A CONSERVATIVE ORGANIZATION DID COME, THEY'LL KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE SURROUNDED BY WHEN THEY'RE HERE.

WE WOULD DONATE PROCEEDS FOR A CAUSE THEY DON'T SUPPORT.

>> BONNIE ERBE: NOT ALL OBVIOUSLY BUT MANY, MANY HOLLYWOOD STARS AND ROCK STARS AND COUNTRY MUSIC STARS AND WHAT HAVE YOU STAY STRICTLY A POLITICAL BECAUSE THEY WONDER ABOUT TURNING OFF HALF THEIR POTENTIAL AUDIENCE.

DO YOU THINK THIS KIND OF A HOTEL WHICH I THINK IS A FIRST OF ITS KIND TO BE OUTWARDLY PROGRESSIVE THERE ARE CERTAINLY HOTELS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED SALONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR WRITERS AND SUCH.

BUT TO BE OUTWARDLY PROGRESSIVE IS THAT A GOOD MARKETING MOVE?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW WHO I THINK STARTED THIS IN WASHINGTON WAS THIS TRUMP HOTEL.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO SEE A WHOSE, WHOSE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, YOU KNOW AYOU CAN GO TO THE TRUMP HOE TEM.

EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE THERE AND ALL PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH YOU IF YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT.

IT IS GOING TO BE A GREAT PLACE TO BE BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY AND NOBODY IS GOING TO COURT YOU.

MAYBE -- CLEARLY IT WAS BEFORE THE ELECTION BUT THIS WILL CREATE THE SAME KIND OF ENVIRONMENT FOR PROGRESSIVES.

WE'VE SEEN IT IN THE MARKETPLACE WITH NIKE YEAH WEIGHING IN WITH KAPERKNICK AND I HATE TO SEE THIS TRIBALLIZATION OF AMERICA BUT I THINK THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE IN ENGAGING WHAT WE'RE SEEING HAPPENING.

>> WHAT ABOUT RED STATES SAYING, YOU KNOW, OH, BOO-HOO, CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.

>> I READ THE HEADLINE BUT NOT THE ARTICLE.

I WOULD DISAGREE BECAUSE I'M FOR FREE MARKETS AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET UP HOTELS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE AND I'M GOING TO GIVE MY MONEY.

I WAS SAYING LIKE THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION WE SHOULD HAVE AN EACH THERE AND THAT WAY SHE CAN GIVE HER MONEY TO YOU AND SO FORTH.

YEAH.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT I -- ANATOMICAL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL MAKE IT OR NOT.

I HOPE SO FOR HER SAKE AND FOR THE CITY'S SAKE IT IS GOOD THING TO HAVE IT HERE.

BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT I HATE THE FACT THAT NOW IT IS LIKE WHERE DO YOU GO TO GET COFFEE OR WHERE DO YOU GO EAT OR WHERE DO YOU STAY OR WHERE DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

EVERYTHING.

WHERE DO YOU BUY YOUR CLOTHES HAS BECOME A POLITICAL STATEMENT.

PEOPLE WOULD LOVE TO GET WAY WITH THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

TRUMP HOTEL IS NOT ONLY IN MILE DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, BUT IT WAS MY BILL.

>> BONNIE ERBE: YOU GOURD WITH YVONKA.

>> I SURE DID.

>> IT IS A GOOD BILL.

>> LET ME SHOW YOU YOU GOT IT FAIR AND SQUARE.

IT WAS A GSA, THE GSA HANDLES SUCH PROPERTIES AND THIS PROPERTY WAS A PRICELESS HISTORIC PROPERTY.

SO HE HAD TO THROW MONEY AT IT.

HE WANTED TO BE IN THE NATION'S CAPITOL SO BADLY THAT THAT IS WHAT HE DID NOT ONLY TO -- IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED IN ITS PRISTINE STATE BUT THEN EVERY HOTEL OR AROUND THE COUNTRY WANTED THAT HOTEL.

NOW, I MUST SAY, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT HE MAY BE THE COME ON TO THIS MAY BE THE TRUMP HOTEL AND THAT THE TRUMP HOTEL ANYBODY CAN STAY THERE BUT OF COURSE YOU WILL FIND A LOT OF REPUBLICANS STAYING THERE AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS SAYING MAYBE NOT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF HOTELS IN WASHINGTON.

THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR DC.

WE DON'T LIKE THAT KIND OF POLARIZATION IN THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR.

AND I -- AND I AM GOING TO SAY, THE NOTION THAT A HOTEL CAN HAVE POLITICS BOTHERS ME.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE TRUMP HOTEL BEGAN HAVING POLITICS THAT -- THAT'S THE PEOPLE WHO HAPPENED TO STAY THERE.

LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.

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