>>> LARRY HOUSEHOLDER TO FACE THE SENTENCING JUDGE.

>>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD, IN A WEEK, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, LARRY HOUSEHOLDER WILL LEARN HOW LONG HE COULD SPEND IN FEDERAL PRISON, THE FEDERAL JUDGE WILL HAND DOWN HIS SENTENCES FOR LARRY HOUSEHOLDER AND LOBBYIST , FOR THEIR CONVICTIONS ON BRIBERY AND RACKETEERING.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RECOMMENDS 15 TO 20 YEARS FOR LARRY HOUSEHOLDER AND THE POLICY FOR MASTERMINDING THE NUCLEAR BAILOUT SCHEME, PROSECUTORS SAY LARRY HOUSEHOLDER HOW ACTED AS THE QUINTESSENTIAL MOB BOSS, THREATENING THE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE FROM THE SHADOWS.

MIKE MILLER, YOU HAVE BEEN IN FEDERAL COURT WITH THE DEFENDANTS, 15 TO 20 YEARS, DOES THAT SEEM LIKE A REASONABLE SENTENCE?

>> WELL, HIS ATTORNEYS CAME OUT AND WANTED 18 MONTHS , OR A YEAR, EVERYBODY DOES THAT AND THE PROSECUTORS CALLED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT THE JUDGE AND WHAT HIS REPUTATION IS, AND APPARENTLY HE IS KNOWN TO BE VERY LIBERAL SENTENCE HER.

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS CASE.

I DOUBT IF YOU WILL GET THE MAXIMUM OF 20 AND I WOULD BE A BIT SURPRISED IF IT WAS 18 OR 17, BUT I THINK HE WILL GET DOUBLE DIGIT YEARS.

SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 TO 16 YEARS WOULD BE MY GUESS.

>> CERTAINLY MORE THAN 10.

>> WRIGHT, AND SOME OF THIS IS JUST THE EXTENT OF THIS, THE LARGEST BRIBERY CASE WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS DAY, THE NUMBER OF ENTITIES, FORTUNE 500 COMPANY, YOU KNOW, A MULTIPLE TEXT MESSAGES AND CEOS FALLING RIGHT AND LEFT, I JUST THINK THAT IT WAS PRETTY COMPELLING IN THE COURTROOM.

>> THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR THAT 18 MONTHS SENTENCE, SO THE HOUSEHOLDER HAS BEEN DISGRACED BY THIS, HAS HE EXPRESSED ANY HUMILITY OR REMORSE?

>> ACTUALLY, NOT YET, WHEN WE REPORTED TO HIM AFTER THE SENTENCE CAME DOWN, HE SAID HE INTENDED TO APPEAL.

HE STILL MAINTAINS HOUSE BILL SIX, THE ENERGY POLICY WAS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY, AND HE IS MAINTAINING HIS INNOCENCE, THAT IS POTENTIALLY ONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES WHERE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THEIR INNOCENCE ARE BEING SENTENCE, IT IS HARD TO ACT TRITE WHEN YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG.

>> HOW DOES THAT WORK?

IF YOU APPEAL, HE WON'T?

>> I DON'T THINK THE APPEAL WILL HAVE AN EFFECT, OR PENALIZE SOMEBODY , REMORSE CERTAINLY HELPS.

BUT I JUST DON'T SEE THAT AT ALL, AND ANYTHING HOUSEHOLDER HAS DONE, THERE IS A SECTION WHEN YOU PLEAD GUILTY , THEY TAKE THE GUIDELINES, THE FEDERAL COURT HAS GUIDELINES FOR ALL THIS STUFF.

IT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT IF YOU END UP PLEADING GUILTY, YOU ARE LOWER FOR ONE OF YOUR POINTS, IF YOU HAVE A 20 POINT LEVEL WHICH MEANS X YEARS , AND GUILTY IS 17, THEY CALL THAT ACCEPTANCE OF RESPONSIBILITY.

IT'S JUST A BONUS FOR ENTERING YOUR PLEA AND DROPPING.

HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT HERE.

YOU KNOW, REMORSE AND YOU CAN SAY THE RIGHT THINGS AS YOU WOULD TRY TO DO IN FRONT OF ANY JUDGE , IT WOULD HELP.

BUT TO ME, IT'S JUST SO WILD AND JULIE SAID IT, I CAN'T SENTENCE.

>> DETERRENCE IS A FACTOR IN THIS, WOULD A 20 YEAR PRISON SENTENCE DETER OTHERS FROM DOING THIS DOWN THE ROAD, DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK SO, BUT I WOULD START AT THE LOW LEVEL, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE MOST AFRAID, AS YOU GET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON THE TOTEM POLE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE CHANCE TO MAKE THE BIG BUCKS.

THE RISK IS IN PROPORTION TO THE REWARD.

ALSO, THERE IS A GAIN, IF YOU DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THE DIFFERENT PARTS ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY SHOULD.

HAVING A GOOD PRICE IS A SCANDAL .

NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID , NOBODY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> BUT DEMOCRATS WERE INVOLVED IN THE BAILOUT AND HE SAID THIS HAS TAKEN 3 YEARS.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE REASON NECESSARILY, BUT IT IS TRUE THAT THEY HAD ELECTED HOUSEHOLDER AS SPEAKER , AND AGAIN, AS AN ASIDE, ON THE GROUND IT WAS GOOD POLICY , AND IT WAS A SWEEPING BILL THAT HAD MANY ELEMENTS TO IT.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T KNOW THE RECOMMENDATION FOR MATT, WHO WAS CONVICTED OF CAMPING OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR SECRET INFORMATION.

WE WOULD EXPECT THE LEADER OF THIS TO GET LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM, EVEN THOUGH THEY BOTH DID THE SAME THING.

>> THE WORD IS THAT HE WAS OFFERED ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR IN JAIL IF HE COOPERATED, IT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN MADE IN ERROR.

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YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE SOMETHING MAYBE IN THE 4 TO 8 YEARS RANGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE THINKING IN TERMS OF HIS GUILT.

>> OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED IN THIS, THERE ARE SEVERAL FOLKS OUT THERE, BUT THEY ARE WATCHING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF SENTENCE LARRY HOUSEHOLDER GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL COOPERATE, AND HAVE A LAST- MINUTE PLEA DEAL, MIKE?

>> CERTAINLY THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT, JUST GOING UP AGAINST, AS SHE SAID, AS A GAMBLER, YOU DON'T GAMBLE.

SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY WHO MAY BE CHARGED AS CRIMINAL GETS A SENTENCE, AND FRANKLY, IF IT WERE ME, AND HOUSEHOLDER GOT ONE YEAR, AS SAM SAID, DESPITE THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE MONEY AND ALL OF THAT, I'M GOING TO GET LESS THAN THAT IF I'M CONVICTED.

>> AND HE DID HAVE A LESSER ROLE IN THIS PARTICULAR SCANDAL BUT HE ALSO HAS A PREVIOUS SCANDAL UNDER HIS BELT INVOLVING THE TREASURY, SHE SITS ON THE STATE SUPREME COURT NOW.

AND IF HE PLAYED A ROLE IN THAT, HE PLEDGED TO A MISDEMEANOR CHARGE WAY BACK THEN WHEN HE WAS IN HIS 30s AND THAT MAY PLAY INTO IT AS WELL.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR NEXT TOPIC, IT HAS BEEN ONE YEAR SINCE THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN ROE VERSUS WADE, IN THOSE 12 MONTHS, OHIO HAS PLACED ITS SIX-WEEK ABORTION BAN, BUT THIS SUMMER AND FALL COULD DECIDE THE PERMANENT FATE OF ABORTION RIGHTS IN OHIO IN AUGUST, VOTERS WILL DECIDE WHETHER TO MAKE IT HARDER TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION, FUTURE AMENDMENTS WILL REQUIRE A 60% MAJORITY .

THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR ABORTION-RIGHTS SUPPORTERS TO PASS THEIR BILL TO GUARANTEE ABORTION RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

AND REALLY THE FIGHT IS JUST BEGINNING HERE IN OHIO.

>> ABSOLUTELY, SO IF VOTERS WERE TO RAISE THE THRESHOLD FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO 60% , IT WOULD CHANGE THE GAME FOR OUR ONE AND ONLY BALLOT ISSUE IN THE NATION THIS YEAR, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY OTHER BIG ONE.

THIS IS AN OFF ELECTION YEAR, SO EVERYBODY AROUND THE NATION , EVERY GROUP WAS INTERESTED , THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INITIATIVES IN DIRECT DEMOCRACY AND ABORTION RIGHTS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS INCLUDING GUN RIGHTS AND MINIMUM WAGE.

EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT OHIO WITH INTEREST.

>> WHEN WITH THE CAMPAIGN BEGIN IN EARNEST?

WE ARE SEEING INTERVIEWS BUT PUBLICLY YET.

>> I THINK WE ARE SEEING MORE OF A DOOR-TO-DOOR RETAIL POLICY CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THIS SHOW BUT, THERE IS A REAL CONCERN THAT YOU MAY BE MISSING THOSE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE BIG SPORTING EVENTS GOING ON IN THE EVENING.

SHE WAS IN THE SENIOR CENTER REGISTERING VOTERS AND GETTING THEM TO REQUEST THEIR ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

>> SO, COMMON CAUSE IS INVOLVED IN THIS BOARD OF EDUCATION , WOULD YOU BE ORGANIZING FOLKS?

>> YES, WE ARE, WE ARE IN THE STAGES OF DOING THAT NOW.

WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW IS A LOT OF ONLINE STUFF, WE HAVE BEEN LOBBYING PEOPLE ALL OVER THE STATE AND TARGETING SPECIFIC PEOPLE.

WE ARE ALSO OUT RECRUITING PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO PARTICIPATE.

WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS EDUCATING AND REGISTERING , TOO.

BECAUSE THE ISSUE WE ARE BRINGING UP, THE $.60 --60% , IT NEEDS AN EXPLANATION BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND WE NEED TO TURN TO THE ELECTION, TOO.

SO WE ARE WORKING HARD, AND WE THINK WE WILL MAKE IT.

ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY REALLY GOT THEIR GUNS OUT AND THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY CAN TO GET THERE VOTERS OUT.

>> HOW DO YOU SEE THIS PLAYING OUT?

REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIVES REGRET GOING FOR THIS 60%?

OR, IS IT WORTH THE GAMBLE ON THEIR PART?

>> I'M NO EXPERT, BUT I THINK THIS BASICALLY IS DONE FOR ONE REASON AND THAT IS THE ABORTION BILL, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO REGRET IT, I DON'T THINK IT WILL PASS, AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK IT WILL LOSE.

READING THIS, THIS WAS THE CHANGE FOR A LAW WE HAVE HAD SINCE 1912.

AND I'M WONDERING, WHAT DID WE HAVE BEFORE THEN?

SO, I GUESS THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED, GETTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

BUT I JUST FEEL IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE PARTICULARLY CLOSE.

>> LOOK AT THE TURNOUT FIGURES, THE PROJECTIONS ARE ALL OVER THE MAP ARE LOOKING AT 2009 ON THIS ELECTION, THE CITY OF COLUMBUS TO RAISE THE INCOME TAX.

IT RAISED THE INCOME TAX 25% , THAT TURNOUT WAS 18%.

THAT HAD A LOT OF PRESS, THE UNIONS WERE ALL OUT PUSHING IT , AND MAYOR COLEMAN AT THE TIME WANTED A TAX INCREASE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION.

AND 18%, WOULD THAT BE?

>> BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE ROE, BOAT.

>> I WONDER, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS 20% TURNOUT, I THINK.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE VERY LOW AND THAT IS BASED ON JUST A VERY ANECDOTAL, LIKE MY NEIGHBORS WHO I HAVE SEEN AT PARTIES THIS SUMMER, MY SISTER HAS NO IDEA WE ARE HAVING AN ELECTION.

I THINK THAT IS THE FIRST HURDLE, PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING.

>> AS THEY REMEMBER KANSAS AND OKLAHOMA, DO YOU WANT TO GO ANY FURTHER?

ROE, ROE, ROE YOUR BOAT.

>> BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE HAVE THIS NEW VOTING LAW IN PLACE AS WELL, BECAUSE THE FIRST ELECTION WAS THIS PREVIOUS GROUP UNDER THOSE RULES AND THEN YOU ADD, I'VE BEEN DOING SOME REPORTING AROUND POLLING LOCATIONS IN THE SUMMER .

YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT WASN'T ON THEIR CALENDAR.

NOW THERE IS MAINTENANCE AT SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND FAIRGROUNDS ARE USED UP , SO THERE'S GOING TO BE CONFUSION ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> VOTING WILL BE THE BIG PUSH ON BOTH SIDES, GETTING FOLKS TO EITHER MAIL IN THEIR BALLOTS OR GO TO THE CENTERS.

REPUBLICANS WANT TO MAKE IT HARDER TO VOTE IN PRIMARY ELECTIONS, UNDER CURRENT LAW, ANY REGISTERED VOTER CAN VOTE IN EITHER PRIMARY, VOTER JUST ASK FOR THAT PARTY'S BALLOT.

TWO BILLS WOULD ELIMINATE THAT PRACTICE, THEY WOULD MAKE VOTERS DECLARE THEIR PARTY AFFILIATION BEFORE ELECTION DAY, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE DECLARATION A MONTH BEFORE, AND THE OTHER SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE.

PART OF THIS WOULD PREVENT MISCHIEF FOR THE OPPOSING PARTY'S PRIMARY.

YOU HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO CAUSE MISCHIEF, HAVE YOU EVER VOTED IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY?

>> I HAVE NEVER VOTED IN A BUT, I KEPT ASKING MYSELF, AND I WAS AT SOMEBODY'S HOUSE AND DRINKING WINE AND WE WERE TALKING, AND WE COULD NOT FIGURE OUT, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT?

THERE MIGHT BE AN OCCASION WHERE AN UNREGISTERED PERSON WANTS TO FLIP.

NOW YOU HAVE PUT ALL OF THESE HURDLES AND THEIR PLACE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK AROUND LIKE, WHY DID THEY DO THIS?

AND WE KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

IT IS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO VOTE.

>> MIKE, SHOULD THE PRIMARIES BE LIMITED TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE REALLY MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

>> YOU COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, BUT I THINK THIS IS MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING.

MANY PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT PERSON IS EASIER TO BEAT, AND OTHER REPUBLICANS DO THE SAME THING TO THE DEMOCRATS, SURE.

BUT, OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD DO THAT IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

IT JUST SEEMS TO ME, THERE'S BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN THIS.

>> AND HAVE THEY PRESENTED ANY DATA ON THIS MISCHIEF OF VOTERS?

>> THEY ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE LEGISLATION AND THIS IS HOW OTHER STATES DO IT THOUGH.

EVERY STATE DOES THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF STATES THAT REQUIRE PARTY REGISTRATION AND DO CLOSE PRIMARIES.

I THINK IT IS UNPRECEDENTED IN A SENSE .

>> BUT MOST OF THOSE ON THE EAST COAST , IT IS REALLY HARD BALL , ALL UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST.

BUT, MIKE, YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.

AND THE POINT IS, DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM SEARCHING FOR A CAUSE , YOU KNOW, THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING SOMETHING , SOME NEGATIVE THINGS , THIS IS ADDED TO THE MENU.

WE HAVE A VOICE HERE AND WE'VE GOT REDUCE THE VOTE, 60% POLAR ARTERY POLARITY.

>> I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET A PUSHBACK, LAST YEAR , THE LONGEST SERVING WOMAN IN CONGRESS .

SHE WAS SAFE AS ANYBODY COULD BE IN HER PRIMARY LAST YEAR AND THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES SPLIT THREE WAYS, KICKED OUT A COUPLE REALLY VIABLE OPPONENTS TO HER WHO WERE STATE LAWMAKERS AND BROUGHT IN AN EXTREMIST, AND I THINK WE SAW THAT IN SOME OTHER DISTRICTS .

DISTRICTS AROUND THE STATE WHERE THERE WAS SOME THEORY THAT DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO BOOST EXTREMISTS , KNOWING THEY MIGHT LOSE IN THE FALL.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE THIS IS AN INDEPENDENCE, I DON'T KNOW >> TWO LAWS LIMITING TRANSGENDER RIGHTS, ONE WOULD PREVENT TRANSGENDER ATHLETES FROM PARTICIPATING IN COLLEGE SPORTS, THE OTHER WOULD BAN PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 AND WOULD REQUIRE SCHOOL OFFICIALS NOTIFY PARENTS IF THEIR CHILD IDENTIFIES AS TRANSGENDER OR NON-BINARY.

IT ALSO REQUIRES SCHOOLS TO NOTIFY PARENTS IF THEY ARE GOING TO TEACH ABOUT GENDER IDEOLOGY AND OTHER SEXUAL CONCEPTS.

THIS IS A DEBATE THAT IS HAPPENING IN MANY STATES, IT IS HERE NOW AND IT IS ACTUALLY APPROVED LEGISLATION.

>> YEAH, IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE OHIO HOUSE, IT IS CONFUSING BECAUSE IT MAY WORK THREE SEPARATE PIECES OF LEGISLATION , MAYBE WE WILL GET ONE IN THE SENATE, IT IS HARD TO SAY.

BUT, THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION ABOUT PARENTAL RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH PARENTS IN TWO TO VERY DIFFERENT ARENAS.

ON THE ONE HAND, WHAT THEIR WITH EDUCATION, AND SUPPORTERS SAY I HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT MY CHILD IS SAYING TO THEIR TEACHERS.

AND ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE THE PARENTS OF TRANSGENDER AND SAYING I SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE MEDICAL DECISIONS FOR MY CHILD.

SO, IT IS INTERESTING TO ME TO CONCEIVE OF THIS AS TWO SIDES OF THE PARENTAL FREEDOM COIN.

>> HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THE DICHOTOMY THERE?

>> THEY DON'T, REALLY.

THEY AREN'T REALLY ADDRESSING IT WHEN WE BRING THIS TO THEM, THERE'S SORT OF A DIFFERENCE HERE.

ONE IS THE IDEA THAT IT'S ABOUT SOME GUIDANCE OF YOUR CHILD THROUGH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, VERSUS A LIFE ALTERING MEDICAL PROCEDURE.

WE HAVE TO SAY, WE NEED TO FACT CHECK THAT, IT IS NOT GENDER SURGERY, THEY ARE NOT HAVING THAT UNDER THE AGE OF 18 IN THE STATE.

>> IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG IN THE SCHOOL AND THERE IS A RUMOR, PARENTS WILL KNOW.

I'M A PARENT.

MY KIDS WILL TELL ME WHAT IS GOING ON IN THEIR SCHOOLS.

THE OTHER THING IS, THERE IS A COST BEING PAID HERE.

MY KIDS ARE TELLING ME NOW, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE LGBTQ AND ALL THAT, AND WHAT IS HAPPENING, THESE KIDS ARE GOING AROUND BEATING UP KIDS WHO THEY THINK FITS THIS CATEGORY.

>> THERE IS A NEW POLL IN THE CASE WHERE AMERICANS ARE ON THIS ISSUE AND IT'S NOT THAT CLEAR-CUT.

IT'S NOT JUST REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE QUESTIONS, THE POLL INDICATES OVERALL, 61% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE GENDER IDENTITY IS DETERMINED AT BIRTH.

REPUBLICANS FEEL THAT WAY , WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING.

62% OF INDEPENDENTS BELIEVE GENDER IDENTITY IS DETERMINED AT BIRTH AND 37% OF DEMOCRATS BELIEVE THAT WAY.

SO, IT'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS OUT THERE .

WE SEE 62% OF INDEPENDENTS ARE NOT SURE ON THIS ISSUE.

>> WELL, IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE A DEATH SENTENCE, IF WE LIVE ANOTHER 100 YEARS OR SO, THEY ARE GOING TO BE ARGUING THIS.

IT'S ALMOST UNSOLVABLE , I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT, LIKE JULIA SAID, THESE ARE LIFE-CHANGING MATTERS.

AND TO ME, THE LINE IS DIFFERENT , CAN YOU LEAVE THAT TO THE PARENT OF A 10-YEAR-OLD CHILD ?

WHO MAY BELIEVE THIS, YOU KNOW.

AND IT WOULD NOT BE THAT WAY IF YOU ONLY LIVE TO BE 21 YEARS OLD.

>> I JUST THINK IT IS A HUGE GAMBLE TO TAKE.

PARENTS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

WHAT AMAZES ME , IT'S LIKE 0.006 BOYS WHO WANT TO BE GIRLS DON'T PARTICIPATE IN ATHLETIC THINGS.

>> IN THE STATE OF OHIO ANYWAY.

LET'S GET TO OUR LAST TOPIC .

SOME PRIVATE COMPANIES EMBRACE THE PANDEMIC INITIATED PRACTICE, THEY HAVE ABANDONED OFFICE SPACE AND RECRUIT MORE EMPLOYEES WHO LIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

OTHERS HAVE INQUIRED ABOUT RETURNING TO THE OFFICE.

THE HOUSE-SENATE, THE BUDGET WANTS TO REQUIRE STATE EMPLOYEES WORK AT LEAST 32 HOURS IN THE OFFICE.

MATT HOFFMAN SAID STATE WORKERS PERFORM BETTER WHEN THEY ARE IN THE OFFICE, OTHERS SAY REMOTE WORK WILL SAVE MONEY AND ENHANCE RECRUITING.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY STATE WORKERS ARE WORKING FROM HOME?

>> WE DO NOT.

THIS IS A QUESTION THAT MY COLLEAGUE ASKED, THE DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AND THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC COUNT.

THEY SAID OBVIOUSLY THE PRISON SYSTEM VARIES, I.T.

IS PROBABLY MUCH MORE REMOTE , SO IT DOES VARY BY DEPARTMENT.

BUT THERE ARE SOME AGENCIES THAT HAVE CUT THEIR OFFICE SPACE, IT IS A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS IN SAVINGS TO THE STATE SO THEY RECOGNIZE THEY NO LONGER NEED THAT MUCH.

>> THEY COULD BE HOME PERMANENTLY.

THERE'S NO POINT TO GO BACK TO WORK.

>> AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING IT, THEY ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE IF YOU ARE IN THE OFFICE TOGETHER.

I KNOW MY OWN WORKPLACE, WE ALL TRY TO BE IN THE OFFICE TOGETHER TWO DAYS PER WEEK BUT I THINK THE ERA OF FULL-TIME WORKPLACE AT THE OFFICE IS OVER.

AND I THINK THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS MADE THE POINT OF SAYING IT CAN BECOME DIFFICULT TO RECRUIT GOOD PEOPLE, IF YOU DON'T GIVE THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY THESE DAYS.

>> IT IS FUNDED BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS, DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

EVERYTHING I HAVE SEEN IS THESE STORIES , IT IS OVERWHELMINGLY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SPEND FIVE DAYS A WEEK IN AN OFFICE .

AND I HAVE SEEN CEOS SAY IT IS AFFECTING RECRUITMENT, THAT YOU HAVE TWO GOOD JOBS AND THEY PAY ABOUT THE SAME, MAYBE THIS ONE PAYS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BUT YOU HAVE TO BE THERE FIVE DAYS A WEEK, AND PEOPLE ARE TAKING THIS ONE.

IT'S HARD TO LEAVE WHEN YOU ARE IN A POSITION LIKE THAT OVER ANY LENGTH OF TIME.

BUT, I THINK IT'LL BE A SERIOUS RECRUITING PROBLEM, GETTING GOOD, YOUNGBLOOD IN THERE, HAVING TO BE THERE FIVE DAYS A WEEK OR FOUR DAYS A WEEK IS A MISTAKE.

>> FOR A PERSON THAT DOESN'T SEE THEIR BOSS AS MUCH AS ANOTHER >> YEAH, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP.

BUT, IF THERE IS SOME ELECTED OFFICIAL TRYING TO CONTACT SOME STAFF PERSON AND THEY WERE NOT THERE, THIS IS WHERE THIS COMES IN.

>> MY NEXT QUESTION, WHEN A STAFF PERSON WANTS TO SEE A LAWMAKER, ARE THEY ALWAYS AROUND?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> ANYWAY, TIME FOR THE OFF RECORD PARTY.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE?

>> I JUST FINISHED A BOOK, IT IS CALLED MILES THAT HAVE GONE, OR DAYS THAT HAVE GONE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND HE HAD ONE OF HIS COLUMNS IN THERE THAT HE WENT DOWN TO SEE THE TITANIC IN THE SUBMERSIBLE, THERE WERE THREE OF THEM, HE WAS THE ONLY PERSON THERE.

AND TO COME BACK AND SEE THIS TRAGEDY, IT IS A LOT.

>> SITTING IN CLASS WITH MY GRANDCHILDREN AND THEY ASK ME, GRANDPA, WHY IS IT THAT REPUBLICANS DO SO MANY THINGS THAT HURT US ?

AND I WAS STARTLED FOR A MOMENT.

I HAD TO REACH FOR LINCOLN TO HELP US OUT THERE.

BECAUSE THE KIDS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THAT SEE A SIDE OF REPUBLICANS THAT IS NOT REALLY HISTORICALLY TRUE.

>> THIS WEEK, WE TOOK A VERY INTIMATE LOOK AT JACK HANNA , WHO IS STRUGGLING WITH ALZHEIMER'S, I THINK IT IS WELL WORTH A READ, EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH JACK HANNA.

BUT, IT WAS JUST WANTING TO HEAR THAT THE JACK WE KNOW IS GONE.

IT IS A REALLY POWERFUL READ IF YOU HAVE TIME.

>> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A BUDGET VOTE AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK, MAYBE, AND I WILL BE FASCINATED TO SEE WHETHER THE HOUSE , AS FRACTURED AS IT IS, HOLDS ITS OWN AND MAKES THE DEADLINE OF JUNE 30.

>> HOUSEHOLDER SAID THAT WHEN HE WAS CONVICTED, HE WAS GOING TO GO HOME AND PLANT HIS CROPS.

I BELIEVE EVEN IF HE DOES GET THE PRISON SENTENCE NEXT WEEK, HE WILL NOT GO TO PRISON UNTIL WELL AFTER HE CAN HARVEST THOSE CROPS, BASED ON HOW SLOWLY FEDERAL COURTS MOVE.

THAT IS ON THE RECORD THIS WEEK, YOU CAN WATCH US ANY TIME ON OUR WEBSITE, WOSU .ORG OR THE PBS VIDEO APP.

HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.