♪ LAWMAKERS DELAY THEIR UPCOMING SPECIAL SESSION.

THE FIRST MAJOR FEDERAL GUN BILL IN DECADES SIGNED INTO LAW.

PLUS, NEW LAWS TAKE EFFECT AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING JULY 1, 2022.

>> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS.

ABORTION WILL BE LEGAL IN INDIANA FOR AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH AFTER A SPECIAL SESSION FOR INFLATION RELIEF AND ABORTION HAS BEEN DELAYED UNTIL JULY 25.

THE GOVERNOR LAST WEEK CALLED A SPECIAL SESSION FOR JULY 6 TO ENACT HIS INFLATION RELIEF PROPOSAL THAT SENDS 225 DOLLARS TO ANYONE WHO FILED TAXES IN INDIANA LAST YEAR.

AFTER THE US SUPREME COURT'S RULING STRIKING DOWN ABORTION RIGHTS, THE LEGISLATURE WAS EXPECTED TO INCLUDE AN ABORTION BAN IN THAT SPECIAL SESSION.

THEY WILL•BUT NOT NEXT WEEK.

IN A STATEMENT, HOUSE SPEAKER TODD HUSTON SAYS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED AGENDA, "LEADERS ARE ANTICIPATING A MULTI-WEEK SPECIAL SESSION VERSUS ONE OR TWO DAYS."

FOR LOGISTICAL REASONS, HE SAYS, THEY DECIDED TO HOLD OFF STARTING THEIR WORK UNTIL THE LAST WEEK OF JULY.

THE INDIANA DEMOCRATIC PARTY ACCUSED REPUBLICANS OF "WAITING FOR THE DUST TO SETTLE" IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE SUPREME COURT'S RULING BEFORE TRYING TO BAN ABORTION.

WHY THE DELAY?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY REPUBLICAN JOEY FOX JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE INDIANA CAPITOL CHRONICLE I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING DIGITAL EDITOR LAUREN CHAPMAN, IN FOR BRANDON SMITH THIS WEEK.

ANN DELANEY, LAWMAKERS HAVE HAD AT LEAST TWO MONTHS SINCE A SUPREME COURT RULING ON ABORTION WAS LEAKED TO PREPARE FOR THIS.

WHY THE DELAY?

>> THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CAUCUSES WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS.

THEY HAVE THE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY CAUCUS.

THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT IN THE MIDDLE.

ACTUALLY, IT'S JUST THE CRAZIES AND A LITTLE BIT IN THE MIDDLE.

YOU'LL HAVE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURES WHO WILL ARGUE THAT ABORTION IS MURDER IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE.

DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S INCEST OR RAPE OR HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.

THEY WANT THE MOST EGREGIOUS LEGISLATION LIKE TEXAS AND MISSOURI HAVE AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE A LITTLE MORE MODERATE WHO WANT TO CAR — CARVE OUT EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE AND INCEST AND THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

THEY CAN'T RECONCILE THAT.

IF IT'S MURDER, THEN A PERSON IS, THEN THE FETUS IS A PERSON FROM CONCEPTION.

THEN WHY AREN'T THERE DOMESTIC SUPPORT ORDERS.

BUT YOU'LL HAVE GIRLS WHO ARE TOLD TO CARRY THE BABY OR GO TO JUVIE.

AND YOU'LL HAVE OLDER GIRLS WHO ARE TOLD THEY'RE MURDERERS IF THEY DON'T CARRY THE BABY TO TERM.

IT'S HORRIBLE THAT THEY'RE FORCING THEIR RELIGIOUS VIEWS ON THE POPULATION OF INDIANA WHEN THE POPULATION OF INDIANA DOESN'T AGREE.

I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS COME TO A CONSENSUS AMONG THEMSELVES OF WHAT THIS LEGISLATION WILL LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

>> JOEY, TALKING ABOUT THAT CONSENSUS.

EARLIER THIS WEEK, THE GOVERNOR SAID THERE WASN'T ANY RED LINE FOR HIM.

WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT OUT OF REPUBLICANS?

>> YOU SHOULD BE HEARTENED BY THIS PROCESS, SINCE ROE V. WADE WAS DECIDED HAS BEEN DEMOCRATIC SINCE THAT DAY.

WE HAVE SPENT DECADES TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

WINNING MAJORITIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

AND THEY'VE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS QUESTION TO BE DECIDED AT A DEMOCRATIC LEVEL BY THE STATE.

[LAUGHTER] >> DEMOCRATIC LEVEL.

>> I THINK THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DELAYED A COUPLE MORE WEEKS TO DEBATE WHAT ARE TRULY LIFE AND DEATH ISSUES IS TO THE CREDIT OF REPUBLICAN LEADER AND WE SHOULD HAVE IT AT A LOCAL LEVEL LIKE IT DID 40 YEARS AGO.

>> IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE DEBATE, THEY SHOULD TAKE THE DEBATE AROUND THE STATE TO GET INPUT.

THEY'RE NOT DOING IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE ALL THE IMPORTANT DECISIONS LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS ONCE THEY GET CONSENSUS TOGETHER.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FAIRNESS OR DEMOCRACY.

>> THAT'S ARI — A RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT.

>> THE IT GUARANTEES THAT YOU WILL HAVE ABORTION OUTLAWED AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE VOTERS WANT AT ALL.

>> PICK YOUR ARGUMENT.

YOU'RE GOING IN CIRCLES.

>> I DID.

>> GERRYMAMDERING.

BUT THEN YOU ARE MAKING AN ARGUMENT.

>> THAT IS EXACTLY WHY YOUR DECISIONS, YOUR DECISIONS ARE MADE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH NO REAL DEBATE.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

>> ELECTED OFFICIALS.

>> LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE TRANSPARENCY.

A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SHOPPED OUT THAT REPUBLICANS ARE HAVING LONGER SPACE TO HAVE MORE TIME TO LISTEN TO FOLKS.

DO YOU THINK THIS DELAY WILL HAVE ANY MORE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY?

>> IT'S UNFOLDING ON TWO LEVELS AND WE'RE HEARING BOTH LAYERS NOW AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT OR BOTH WRONG.

HERE IS WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.

CERTAINLY THE OPTICS OF ANY LEGISLATIVE DELIBERATIVE BODY WOULD BE ENHANCED BY FOLLOWING THE RULES SET FORTH BY THOSE BODIES.

AND A ONE OR TWO DAY SPECIAL SESSION WOULD HAVE REQUIRED BY DEFINITION A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES THAT THE HOUSE AND SENATE PUT IN PLACE TO GUARANTEE PUBLIC INPUT.

TO MAKE SURE THE VOTERS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR.

WE'VE SEEN BILLS RUSHED THROUGH BEFORE OFTEN WITH ILL-EFFECT.

THEN YOU LAYER IN THE ISSUE OF PUBLIC INPUT.

OPTICALLY, I THINK THIS IS BETTER.

BUT LET'S NOT JOKE OR KID OURSELVES.

AS ANN DOES, I THINK THERE IS DISSENSION WITHIN THE RANKS.

IT'S A SUPER MAJORITY.

YOU HAVE LOTS OF VIEWS.

WE'VE SEEN REPUBLICANS SAY THEY FAVOR EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE, INCEST, AND THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.

OTHERS SAY NO.

REPUBLICANS HAVE FALLEN INTO THE HABIT OF MAKING DECISIONS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

I'M SURE IF DEMOCRATS HAD A SUPERMAJORITY, THEY WOULD WANT TO DO THE SAME.

BUT I THINK THE REPUBLICANS, IF POSSIBLE, WOULD LIKE TO HASH THIS OUT, KIND OF KEEP THE UGLINESS OF THE DEBATE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS SO THAT THEY CAN COME FORTH WITH MORE OR LESS A UNIFIED FRONT SO WHEN THEY DO SOLICIT THE PUBLIC INPUT AND THEY DO GO THROUGH THE NICETIES OF A TRANSPARENT PROCESS, IT JUST SEEMS NEATER AND CLEANER.

I THINK YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

>> THANKS, JON.

>> NIKI, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT LEGISLATION WILL LOOK LIKE FROM LAWMAKERS?

>> WE DON'T.

AND THEY'RE NOT TALKING.

THEY'RE NOT ANSWERING PHONE CALLS.

THEY'RE GIVING THE PLATITUDES OF PROTECTING LIFE AND NOT GETTING INTO THE DETAILS.

AS WE ALL KNOW THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.

>> THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT PROTECTING THE HEALTH OF WOMEN.

>> SOME ARE.

>> EVERYONE NOW IS CONSIDERING THIS AN ABORTION SPECIAL SESSION.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY CALLED A TAXPAYER REFUND.

I'M HEARING MORE DISSENSION ON THAT ISSUE THAN THE ABORTION ISSUE.

THE SENATE ESPECIALLY IS PUSHING BACK ON THE IDEA OF A SECOND REFUND.

THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TALKING GOING ON THAT TOPIC THAN JUST THE ABORTION.

>> THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE.

WELL, THIS WEEK PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN SIGNED INTO LAW THE FIRST MAJOR GUN SAFETY LEGISLATION PASSED BY CONGRESS IN NEARLY 30 YEARS.

INDIANA REPUBLICAN SENATORS SPLIT ON THE BILL.

THE LEGISLATION TODD YOUNG VOTING IN FAVOR AND MIKE BRAUN VOTING AGAINST.

THE LEGISLATION INCLUDES INCENTIVES FOR STATES TO PASS SO-CALLED RED FLAG LAWS THAT ALLOW GROUPS TO PETITION COURTS TO REMOVE WEAPONS FROM PEOPLE DEEMED A THREAT TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.

INDIANA ALREADY HAS ONE.

THE BILL EXPANDS AN EXISTING LAW THAT PREVENTS PEOPLE CONVICTED OF DOMESTIC ABUSE FROM OWNING A GUN TO INCLUDE DATING PARTNERS RATHER THAN JUST SPOUSES AND FORMER SPOUSES.

AND IT EXPANDS BACKGROUND CHECKS ON PEOPLE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 AND 21 SEEKING TO BUY A GUN.

IN A STATEMENT AFTER VOTING FOR THE MEASURE, TODD YOUNG SAID, "WE DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PROTECTING SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND KEEPING GUNS AWAY FROM THOSE WHO MIGHT BE A DANGER TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.

WE CAN AND SHOULD DO BOTH."

JOEY FOX, ARE YOU SURPRISED BY YOUNG'S VOTE?

>> NO.

I THINK THE QUOTE THAT YOU PLAYED THERE AT THE END.

YOU CAN PROTECT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND YOU CAN BE RESPONSIVE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AT THE SAME TIME ON WHAT THEY WANT.

CERTAINLY, THE ADDITION OF RED FLAG LAWS IN THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE STUDIES THEY'VE DONE OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF POTENTIAL GUN CONTROL MEASURES AND LEGISLATION.

ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE FOUND TO DO PRACTICALLY NOTHING ON THE MASS SHOOTING FRONT.

BUT WHAT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH DATA ON WERE RED FLAG LAWS.

AS A SECOND AMENDMENT SUPPORTER, WERE MORE PREFERABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE JUDICIAL OUTLINES.

THERE IS A PROCESS AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET RIGHTS RESTORED AND IT'S MUCH MORE FAIR AND LESS DRACONIAN THAN MANY DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE PREFERRED.

>> TO PUSH BACK ON THE RED FLAG LAW.

WE HAD THE FEDEX SHOOTING.

>> WHEN THE MARIAN PROSECUTOR REFUSES.

>> HE DOESN'T REFUSE.

>> IT'S NOT SURPRISING HE VOTED FOR THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.

THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT THING IT DOES IS INCLUDE BOYFRIENDS IN THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SITUATION.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

THE RED FLAG LAWS DON'T WORK.

YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO NOTIFY THE JUDGE.

>> THERE'S NO DATA.

>> AND AFTER 48 HOURS YOU CAN GO BUY A GUN.

THEN THE JUDGE HAS TO SET IT FOR A HEARING.

THAT COULD BE 30 DAYS.

MEANWHILE NOTHING HAPPENS IN THE NCIC AND YOU CAN GO OUT AND BUY A GUN.

OR YOU CAN BUY A GUN IN INDIANA AT ANY OF THE NON-FEDERALLY LICENSED GUN DEALERS.

YOU CAN GET ALL THE GUNS YOU POSSIBLY WANT.

THIS IS THE LEAST THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO WHILE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY DO SOMETHING.

IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE 18-YEAR-OLDS BY AN ASSAULT WEAPON WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO BUY A BEER.

THE NRA HAS CONTROLLED LEGISLATION IN THIS AREA AND NOW WITH THE TRUMP APPOINTEES TO THE SUPREME COURT, YOU HAVE YOUR POLICE OFFICERS AT RISK WITH CONCEALED WEAPONS EVERY PLACE.

NO LOCAL COMMUNITY CAN PASS A LAW THAT DEALS EFFECTIVELY WITH GUN CONTROL AND IT'S ALL DUE TO REPUBLICANS BEING CONTROLLED BY THE NRA.

I'M STARTING TO SEE SIGNS SAYING PROTECT CHILDREN, NOT GUNS.

THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR.

WHEN WE HAD THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE A FRACTION OF THE SHOOTINGS THAT WE HAVE.

THEY GET CONTROL OF THE CONGRESS AND THEY REPEAL IT.

THEY'RE GOING TO OUTLAW ABORTION ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO.

THEY'RE SO EXTREME.

>> NIKI KELLY, MIKE BRAUN VOTED AGAINST THIS.

IS THAT A SURPRISE?

>> NO, NOT I WASN'T SURPRISED BY THAT AT ALL.

I WAS MORE SURPRISED BY TODD YOUNG'S VOTE.

BUT HE HAS SHOWN MORE PENCHANT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE HARD-LINE REPUBLICAN STANCES THAN BRAUN HAS.

SOME MIGHT POINT TOWARD BRAUN'S VOTE FOR A FUTURE RUN IN CASE HE DECIDES NOT TO SEEK REELECTION.

>> JON, DOES THIS LEGISLATION REALLY SAYING ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF, OR THE CONGRESS' APPETITE FOR GUN LEGISLATION?

>> I THINK THERE IS A RECOGNITION ON THE PART OF REPUBLICAN STRATEGISTS, AND LET'S USE MITCH Mc Mc — Mc Mc MCCONNELL, THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER.

SORRY, MINORITY LEADER.

DIDN'T MEAN TO GIVE YOU A HEART ATTACK.

THIS IS A GUY WITH A CAREER-LONG A + RATING FROM THE NRA.

BUT HE SAID, THOUGH, IT IS COMMON SENSE.

IT WILL HELP PROTECT THE INNOCENT AND AT THE SAME TIME PRESERVE VERY MUCH AND IN ITS ENTIRETY THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

HE GAVE POLITICAL COVER TO OTHER PEOPLE.

AND I THINK PART OF OF THAT CALCULATION WAS THAT SELLS IN A PRIMARY OR THE NOTION OF WHO IS GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE OF A GIVEN PARTY IS SOMEWHAT A DIFFERENT EXERCISE COMPARED WITH FACING THE ENTIRE ELECTORATE IN A STATE LIKE INDIANA, AS IS THE CASE WITH VIRTUALLY EVERY OTHER STATE IN THE COUNTRY HAS HAD MISFORTUNES AND EXPERIENCED TRAGEDIES WITH MASS SHOOTINGS.

I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT HOOSIERS PROBABLY WHILE THEY'RE WILLING TO DID HE AL — GUARD THE SECOND AMENDMENT RECOGNIZE THERE SHOULD BE SOME EXCEPTIONS.

>> MAYBE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS OR MAGAZINES WITH HUNDREDS OF BULLETS.

>> MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS, AMONG THE 15, THAT THREW THEIR SUPPORT TO THIS ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE EITHER RETIRING, ARE ALREADY OUT OF THE MIX, OR NOT UP RIGHT NOW.

SO, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S A SURPRISE, THE SURPRISE IS TWO THINGS.

ONE IS HE WAS VERY CAGEY THIS TIME.

YOUNG WAS.

INTERVIEWS UP UNTIL 24 HOURS BEFORE.

MAYBE I WILL, MAYBE I WON'T.

THAT'S ONE.

AND NUMBER TWO, HE IS ONE OF ONLY TWO MEMBERS OF THE SENATE WHO ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT THIS NEXT NOVEMBER AND STILL TOOK THIS POSITION.

A LITTLE SURPRISING, BUT I THINK FOR REASONS ARTICULATED HERE, IT MAKES SENSE FOR HIM.

HE HASN'T BEEN AS BEHOLDEN TO THE PARTY LINE AS.

>> HE TAKES A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE NRA, THOUGH.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL KEEP HIS A +.

>> THEY ALL DO.

>> TIME NOW FOR OUR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL QUESTION.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: ARE YOU SURPRISED U.S. SEN. TODD YOUNG VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE BIPARTISAN SENATE GUN BILL?

A.

YES B.

NO LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: WAS DIEGO MORALES'S WIN AT THE GOP CONVENTION A REBUKE OF GOV.

ERIC HOLCOMB?

71% VOTED YES, 29% VOTED NO.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

A LOT OF VIEWERS AND LISTENERS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT INDIANA'S NEW PERMITLESS HANDGUN CARRY LAW, WHICH TAKES EFFECT THIS WEEK.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S BRANDON SMITH ANSWERS SOME OF THE MOST COMMON ABOUT WHAT THE LAW DOES AND DOESN'T DO.

>> PREVIOUSLY, IF YOU WANTED TO CARRY A HANDGUN IN PUBLIC IN INDIANA, YOU NEEDED TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE STATE TO DO SO.

STARTING FRIDAY, YOU NO LONGER NEED THAT PERMIT.

THE NEW LAW DOES NOT IMPACT BACKGROUND CHECKS WHEN YOU BUY A GUN.

IF SOMEONE PURCHASES A GUN FROM WHAT'S KNOWN AS AN FFL, OR DEALER, THEY UNDERGO A BACKGROUND CHECK.

THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF GUN PURCHASES.

HOWEVER, IF YOU BUY A GUN IN A PRIVATE SALE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S NOT AN FFL DEALER, THERE IS NO BACKGROUND CHECK.

AND WITHOUT THE CARRY PERMIT REQUIREMENT, THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE ANY BACKGROUND CHECK BEFORE CARRYING A HANDGUN IN PUBLIC.

THE LAW ALSO DOESN'T IMPACT OPEN VERSUS CONCEALED CARRY IN INDIANA.

THE PERMIT SYSTEM ALLOWED YOU TO CARRY A HANDGUN IN PUBLIC, WHETHER YOU DID IT OPENLY OR CONCEALED IT.

THE NEW LAW SIMPLY MEANS PEOPLE CAN CARRY THEIR HANDGUN IN PUBLIC WITHOUT A PERMIT•WHETHER OPEN OR CONCEALED.

>> NIKI KELLY, DO YOU THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL NOTICE THE LAW HAS CHANGED?

>> NO, I MEAN I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO CARRY WITHOUT THE PERMIT AS LONG AS THEY ARE STILL CONSIDERED A PROPER PERSON.

THOSE RULES STILL APPLY.

I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO WILL REALLY NOTICE ARE THE POLICE OFFICERS.

>> YEAH.

>> AND EVERY TIME THEY PULL SOMEONE OVER, I THINK IF THERE WAS EVER CONCERN ABOUT A HANDGUN BEING IN THE CAR OR QUESTION, THEY COULD ALWAYS AT LEAST CHECK IF THERE WAS A PERMIT.

NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THAT AS SORT OF A BACKGROUND.

I THINK THAT'S WHY MANY POLICE ORGANIZATIONS WERE AGAINST THE BILL TO BEGIN WITH.

>> YEAH.

PUBLIC LIBRARY WHEN INDIANA'S OPEN CARRY LAWS WENT INTO EFFECT AND EXTENDED TO LIBRARIES.

DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NOTICE THIS CHANGE IN LAW?

>> I THINK NIKI'S SASS IS — ASSESSMENT IS RIGHT ON.

IF YOU HOLD A BADGE AND A GUN AND YOU'RE EMPOWERED TO ARREST BAD GUYS AND BAD PEOPLE, YOU CARE.

I THINK OTHER PEOPLE WHO WOULD CARE MORE THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON IS THOSE WHO HAVE FESTIVALS AND LARGE EVENTS OR CELEBRATIONS OR ANY GATHERING OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF YOU OWN PROPERTY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE WONDERING WHO AM I, I'M ASSESSING A CROWD OF SEVERAL HUNDRED.

IN MY MIND I'M IMAGINING HOW MANY OF THESE PEOPLE IF YOU RAN THEM THROUGH A MAGNETOMETER, IT WOULD BE GOING BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.

IT AFFECTS THAT KIND OF INDIVIDUAL.

FOR THE MOST PART, IT AFOLLOWING THE ACCIDENT — AFFECTS THE CONCEALED CARRY.

>> NO, IT'S ALL TREATED THE SAME.

>> INDIANA DOESN'T HAVE OPEN OR CONCEALED.

>> IT HAS NOTHING NOW.

>> CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY.

>> THERE'S STILL RULES ABOUT CARRYING A GUN.

>> I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.

WE'VE SEEN THAT WHERE SOMEBODY MARCHES INTO A FESTIVAL WITH A LONG GUN.

MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT BRANDISHING IT.

>> UNTIL THEY HAVE THEIR TOES STEPPED ON.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT MOST HOOSIERS WILL PROBABLY NOTICE IT.

>> POLICE BUDGETS MAY.

>> WELL, THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS IN INDIANA HAS DECLINED BY ABOUT A THOUSAND OVER THE LAST DECADE.

AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE SERVING MORE AND MORE STUDENTS.

FROM WFYI'S EDUCATION DESK, DYLAN PEERS MCCOY REPORTS THAT DISTRICT ADMINISTRATORS ARE TRYING TO CHIP AWAY AT THE SHORTAGE BY TRAINING THEIR OWN EDUCATORS.

>> INDIANA SCHOOLS ARE IN A SCRAMBLE TO HIRE ENOUGH SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS AFTER THE STATE ELIMINATED EMERGENCY PERMITS FOR EDUCATORS WHO ARE NOT FULLY QUALIFIED.

A NEW TRAINING PROGRAM AIMS TO HELP FILL THE GAP.

IT WILL PREPARE CURRENT EDUCATORS FOR LONG-TERM LICENSES IN SPECIAL EDUCATION.

JAY ARTHUR IS THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR AND A FORMER SUPERINTENDENT.

JAY ARTHUR: THESE ARE FOLKS WHO'VE ALREADY BEEN IN THE SEAT AS A TEACHER OR AN EDUCATOR • THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE.

THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT CREDENTIAL.

>> THE 11-MONTH PROGRAM IS FREE FOR EDUCATORS.

PARTICIPANTS WILL WORK AS SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR.

THEY WILL ALSO ATTEND A BOOTCAMP AND MONTHLY CLASSES.

>> JON SCHWANTES, WE DON'T EXACTLY HAVE A SURPLUS OF TEACHERS IN GENERAL.

ARE WE RISKING EXACERBATING ONE SHORTAGE TO HELP SOLVE ANOTHER?

>> I SUPPOSE YOU COULD MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, BUT THESE ARE KIDS WHO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS AND THEREFORE THEY REQUIRE INSTRUCTION FROM INDIVIDUALS WITH A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE AND THE CREDENTIALS TO PROVE IT THAT SEPARATES THEM FROM QUOTE, UNQUOTE THE TYPICAL CLASSROOM TEACHER.

THERE'S A NEED.

SO, YOU GOT TO ADDRESS THE NEED.

SURE, WILL IT TAKE FROM AN ALREADY TOO-LIMITED POOL OF INDIVIDUALS AND FURTHER EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM, MAYBE IT WILL, BUT WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE?

IF WE WERE TRULY COMMITTED TO EDUCATION FOR ALL HOOSIER CHILDREN.

>> WE COULD PAY THEM MORE.

>> I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT SAY THAT.

>> IT'S THE TRUTH.

IT'S A TOUGH JOB, A SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHER.

>> THE GOVERNOR,.

>> WE'RE STILL BELOW WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

PARTICULARLY WITH SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS.

WE HAVE TO MAKE IT DESIRABLE.

WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE COMPARABLE JUST BARELY WITH SOME OF THE STATES AROUND US, BUT WE'RE NOT SUPER STARS.

>> EVEN WHEN YOU DO HIT SOME IMAGINARY THRESHOLD, THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

THE TURNOVER RATE AND BURNOUT RATE AMONG SPECIAL ED.

>> IS VERY HIGH BECAUSE IT'S A HARD JOB.

>> WE SPEND MORE PER STUDENT.

WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT THE ONLY THING THAT SOLVES EDUCATION PROBLEMS IS MORE DOLLARS.

>> JUST BECAUSE WE SPENT MORE THAN BEFORE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ENOUGH.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY.

>> MY FRIEND ANN'S RESPONSE IS ALWAYS MORE MONEY.

>> NO, IT'S NOT.

>> I WANT TEACHERS PAID COMPARABLE TO THEIR EDUCATION AND THE PRODUCT THEY'RE DELIVERING.

AND SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS OUGHT TO HAVE A BONUS BEYOND THAT AND WE'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH.

>> BASIC ECONOMIC POLICIES APPLY HERE.

IF YOU HAVE A SHORTAGE OF SOMETHING, YOU RAISE THE PAY.

>> AND SOMEHOW IT GETS FILLED.

NOT WITH THE REPUBLICAN MODEL.

>> YOU GUYS DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNOR DECIDING TEACHER COMPENSATION.

>> WE WANT THEM TO PUT ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE THAT THE LOCALS HAVE THE OPTION OF PAYING THEM ENOUGH.

>> THE GOVERNOR ESSENTIALLY HAS WADED INTO THAT DEBATE ENOUGH TO SAY IF THERE'S A THRESHOLD, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MAINTAIN, AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

>> THE NEXT TIME THE GOVERNOR GETS ELECTED YOU DISAGREE WITH.

>> FINALLY, A NEW LAW THAT TOOK EFFECT THIS WEEK BANS PEOPLE WHO OWN BEARS OR BIG CATS - LIONS, TIGER, LEOPARDS AND THE LIKE - FROM ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO HAVE PHYSICAL CONTACT WITH THOSE ANIMALS.

ANN DELANEY, WHY ARE LAWMAKERS INFRINGING ON MY GOD-GIVEN, MILLENNIAL RIGHT TO BE MAULED BY A LION?

>> YOU KNOW, LAUREN, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

[LAUGHTER] I FRANKLY THINK THIS IS DARWIN ISM AT ITS BEST.

IF YOU'RE DUMB ENOUGH TO HAVE A PET LION, TIGER, OR BEAR, HEY WE DON'T WANT THAT GENE POOL CORRODING THE REST OF IT.

[LAUGHTER] >> I HATE TO POINT OUT THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY TARGETED AT ROADSIDE OR SMALL ZOOS THAT LITERALLY RAISE CUBS UP FOR PEOPLE TO PET FOR $200 AND THEN THEY KILL THEM WHEN THEY'RE TOO BIG.

THERE WAS A REASON BEHIND THE BILL.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

JON, SHOULDN'T WE BE ALLOWED TO PET LIONS, AND TIGERS, AND BEARS, OH MY?

>> I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE LIBERTARIAN PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.

THE FELINE INTERACTION.

YOU'RE A CAT OWNER.

YOU'RE A CAT OWNER.

I USED TO BE.

NOW I'M A DOG OWNER.

MY OLD CAT WAS SO VICIOUS IN A SMALL PACKAGE THAT IT MIGHT HAVE CONSTITUTED A VIOLATION OF THIS STATUTE.

>> DID YOU EVER THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU?

>> I MIGHT HAVE HAD THAT EFFECT ON IT.

>> THAT WAS MY CAT THIS WEEK.

[LAUGHTER] >> THIS IS WHY, ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> THIS IS THE KIND OF WORK THAT OUR LAWMAKERS ARE WORKING TO ADDRESS.

>> AND THEY ARE SO MUCH MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF ANIMALS THAN THEY ARE.

>> WE'LL NON-FEDERALLY NEVER — NEVER HAVE OUR JOE EXOTIC.

>> WE DID HAVE A JOE EXOTIC.

>> I DIDN'T SEE A NETFLIX SERIES.

>> IT WAS LITERALLY IN THAT SERIES.

THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY REPUBLICAN JOEY FOX JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND.

NIKI KELLY OF THE INDIANA CAPITOL CHRONICLE IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR STARTING MONDAY YOU CAN STREAM IT OR GET IT ON DEMAND FROM XFINITY AND ON THE WFYI APP.

I'M LAUREN CHAPMAN OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

♪ >> THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS.

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