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Gretchen de.

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I tell him we are heading to Tiffin, Ohio.

That's right.

We're going to be joined by.

This is a first on our show.

I know we've made reference with almost every mayor that we've had on, about why in the world have you done this to yourself?

And what was your spouse's reaction when you said you're running for office?

And for the first time, we actually get that answer?

Yeah.

Because we.

Are going to be.

In a booth when the other one's here so they can't hear.

Oh, I like that.

Like, yeah, like the old, newlywed.

Guess we're asking some questions, see how they match up.

We've got a husband and wife duo, from Tiffin, Ohio.

The mayor of Tiffin, Lee Wilkinson, and his wife, Susan Wilkinson, will join us on the program.

In our third segment, this is we talk about it every week.

Sort of a sneaky favorite.

Yes.

On the program, when we started this, again, I was excited to talk to, community leaders.

I didn't realize how much fun I was going to have a great getting tours of, northwest Ohio.

The entire sort of viewership area here of wjct from folks that live and love in each of those communities.

And the mayors are always such incredible champions for their own communities.

And so, we've had some awesome conversations, and I'm super looking forward to get a chance to meet, Lee Wilkinson and talk about Tiffin.

I've been there a number of times, but I have not spent certainly the amount of time that he has.

And so I'm excited to kind of hear, you know, our, our favorite question of like, if I'm spending the day in different.

Walk me through.

Yeah.

What what am I doing?

Yeah.

to people ask me about this in the street, from the various locations.

And I think unless I'm wrong, if this is the farthest distance we've gone, we'll find out.

I don't know, Tiffin or Lima.

We'll find out.

Yeah.

This is, this one's.

This one's tough.

The rubber take the line is through Toronto.

So that makes it.

Yeah.

That.

Is that is longer.

Yeah.

That's true.

Yeah, I I'll be honest with you, I think Lima is further, but, I don't know.

I think so now to.

I have no idea.

Where do you.

Yeah.

No we know that that's that's it will be our first start here.

That.

Let's do it right now.

Gretchen.

No, I don't know where it is.

North.

North, south, east or west.

Which is your.

Favorite up or down, I don't.

Know.

Yeah.

I'm never going to learn.

Yeah.

That's the attitude, to be sure.

I'm never giving away.

I'll give you I'll give you a hand.

Directions I will never learn.

Let me let me help you.

It's west.

It's not north.

South now, but that's west south southeast.

It's west south.

It's a little bit west of southeast.

It's like a storm front.

It's really all the things at once is.

Like a storm.

So you're saying tiffin is like a tornado?

No no no.

No no, I didn't say that.

I said the direction it is in is west, so.

All right.

Yeah.

All right, let's just let's take a break, okay?

When we come back, we will.

Let's look at a map.

We should.

You know what?

Maybe during the break.

Okay, we should look at a map.

Okay.

And then when we come back, we'll be joined by mayor Lee Wilkinson, the mayor of Tiffin, Ohio.

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It's a mega Monday and we are heading which direction.

Gretton south west.

To Tiffin, Ohio I don't think so.

Mayor Lee Wilkinson joins us now from Tiffin.

Mayor, thank you so much for being here.

Hello.

It's good to be here.

Help, help!

Gretchen out.

If you were, you know, let's just say, hypothetically heading home from this show.

Which direction would you head to get back to Tiffin?

Mostly south, but a little bit east.

So I was.

So close, I was 50% right.

Yeah.

That's right, that's right, that's debatable.

Tell us a little bit about the, the just the data on Tiffin.

What are the the geographical outlines.

How many people live there, stuff like that.

The city itself has a population of about 17,852.

Not exact.

So it could be 153 by now, depending on the birth rate.

Right.

The outline is really kind of odd because it's, not perfect square like most cities.

It's got some weird outlines, and right now it's going to get a little bit weirder because we're growing it.

So, actually.

It kind of weird.

Yeah.

I'm anxious to see how that growth kind of progresses and develops.

So we're excited about that.

What does that look like?

What is what is growth for a city?

When you talk about like how that those boundaries are changing, what does that what does that mean?

Well, some of the outlying areas that are within the city, are still farmland.

And so right now there's a development going on.

We had a groundbreaking last week, 30, 30, a patio, homes that are going to be built this summer.

So I think they're, finishing data sometime in October.

Great.

So that's exciting.

That just becomes more of a part of the city, even though it was already in the city limits.

And then the potentially, annexation in the near future.

So.

Okay, I'm looking forward to that.

We'll get on a blow by that other we're going to talk, about a myriad of things, under your leadership, the idea that this is growing and you're cutting the ribbon on things is usually the sign of success.

So, congratulations.

That must feel good.

Things are working.

Oftentimes one of the, I don't know, first pieces of data, things are not working is less people are moving there, and there's less cranes or things being developed.

So congratulations.

Even as we're starting the segment, Mr.

Mayor.

Oh.

Thank you.

Let's let's talk about, a little, a little mayor Lee Wilkinson, How you referred to yourself.

Yeah.

You as a child, where you made people call you mayor?

No, not exactly.

I grew up just north of Findlay and in, Van Buren, Ohio.

I went to school there for all 12 years, and, it was kind of interesting.

You know, I tried to do everything.

Small school, you know, you get involved in everything, including all the sports and plays and choir and, you know, being a well-rounded individual.

At the end of that, I wanted to get out of town as far as I could stay in Ohio.

So I went to Ohio University in Athens.

Yeah.

That's about the farthest point away from Findlay, Ohio that you.

Could get to the Marietta or you there.

Those are the two farthest points.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So.

And I studied math and chemistry.

Okay.

Yeah.

So got.

My too smart to be on this show.

Yeah.

Education degree in math and chemistry and taught for 35 years.

What did your folks do?

I mean, we usually get to this a little bit later.

We talked about why deciding to serve, but, it's to me, it isn't necessarily.

I know we've had enough mayors under our belt, if you will.

Math and chemistry is our first mayor.

Oral education background, potentially unfairly.

But generally speaking, that's a linear, process.

Right?

And there's nothing linear about it of being the leader of a town.

So do your folks, your family upbringing.

Was it decent service or how did you get this underneath you?

Mom and dad always had they always had their own, like, home based business.

Okay.

So we had our Archie range for a while.

Then when they were out of that, we opened the campground.

So it was always stuff to do.

You know where.

You know, I have a brother and a sister, and we were always kind of tasked with running the operation while mom and dad were both at work.

So mom was a nurse, dad was a TV repairman for Sears.

And, so lot of times during the week, it was my brother, my sister and myself.

We were just running the business like whatever came around.

So we learned a lot about that.

That's seven days a week.

Yeah.

So, you know, it's not new to having to be, viable.

You.

I'm sure you are not.

And where did you teach and what grade level did you teach?

Well, I started teaching, high school, math.

The first school that I taught at was this really tiny school down in southeast Ohio, not too far from Marietta.

And I taught, like, five different subjects that were all some I related to, computer programing, physics, chemistry, and a couple of math classes.

So I did that for a few years, moved to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania for a couple of years, just burning experience.

But, had to come back to Ohio because I love Ohio.

Now, moving back to Iowa, I worked on a bank for about 3 or 4 years.

So I was ready for a little bit of a change, but, that wasn't quite what I was looking for.

Sure.

So I went back to teaching and then moved up to the Columbus area.

Okay.

Most teaching.

Yeah.

What what brought you to Tiffin, Susan?

So I was teaching in Columbus area.

Work in the Columbus area when we met.

She convinced me that, you know, we had to be together.

And she wasn't going to move to Columbus.

So I was like, okay.

Yeah, move.

And, so we lived just outside of Tiffin for a little while and miracle and then moved into town.

The Regal has great ribs or, or baloney sandwiches.

Which one is it?

The ribs.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah.

Best ribs in the state.

My words.

Okay.

Yep.

All right.

I don't know that I've ever had the new regal ribs.

It's worth a stop.

It is on the let people know about it.

And it's funny because when I meet people from all over, all over the country, really?

And you mentioned anything about New Regal.

They're like, oh yeah, famous for the ribs.

It's amazing.

I had heard.

That the culture was, yeah, These two are.

All right.

Yeah.

What was the.

First gig you got when you, came back to Tiffin with with your wife?

Well, I kept my teaching job down.

I was teaching in Hilliard City schools, and, of course, that's one of the bigger school districts in the state of Ohio.

And the pay was pretty good, and I couldn't really give up the pay of getting closer to retirement.

I was like, you going to keep that going until I retire?

So I just drove back and forth for the last 15 years.

Wow.

From, Tiffin in New Regal.

Well, mostly Tiffin, to Hilliard and back hour and a half commute.

Obviously.

You moved to Tiffin.

You know, at the at the request of your now bride, what was your.

First?

Doesn't sound like a language.

Yeah, I was, I was thinking, yeah.

At the demands of your now bride.

Yes.

What was your first reaction to to Tiffin of.

I mean, you've you've lived in, small towns kind of all across Ohio.

What was your opinion of Tiffin when you move there?

Well, first, coming from Columbus, it was a little bit of a shock, but then I immediately got used to.

We live close to the downtown, so walking everywhere was great.

So getting out of the car, walking to all the shops, walking to go out to eat, that was a really a big bonus.

Especially for you, because you're in the car a lot.

Quite a bit.

Yeah, yeah.

And I got, I got the I hate the traffic around Columbus.

Oh my gosh, it's terrible.

But walkability is something that people talk about.

And but actually being able to experience and having it be all be connected is not something to go by.

It's fabulous.

So tell us about how you got to the office of mayor.

Were you, originally on city council?

Did you just decide to run for it or were you appointed?

What is the story there?

Well, after I retired from teaching and I didn't want to just hang out, I was actually going to run for city council.

The mayor at the time, Don Yanatuno, she was, kind of filling in.

Aaron Monts had stepped down.

She filled in.

She had a year and a half to go, and she said when she was appointed, well, she was actually elected by city council, but seemed like an appointment.

That she was not going to run again and.

No, as I was collecting my, signatures on my petition to run for city council, no one else was stepping up.

What year was.

Nothing in the news.

2023.

Okay.

And so I thought, okay, well, I'm going to step up my game to run for mayor.

Sure.

So a lot of people question that, like why not city council first?

And I thought, well, at my age, I don't really want to waste a lot of time.

So let's just go for it.

I think it's even more interesting.

The majority of the mayors that we have interviewed, had the good fortune of interviewing, have spent, I don't know.

And, I think ten years in said space, that was where they were born, so they didn't move back.

I think it's particularly interesting that, a lot of people want something to do when they're retired, right?

They volunteer or pick up a job, that they like, but they can kind of.

Or you've done a hobby.

Right?

Like you could have just been golfing.

Or could.

Have been.

But you're now if you plug in on a very high level, committing all of your time and now having to be accessible, I think, for a town that is not your home town.

So we talked a little bit.

I guess it's a little bit more, in-depth of Gretchen's conversation.

I find that unusual.

So why why, why the urge to plug in here?

And why are you particularly good at potentially bringing a new outside point of view to this town?

Well, I think it's important that a regular person gets involved in the political realm.

Was that your campaign?

Regular person?

I you could have been.

I don't think that was on any of my signs, but.

Yeah.

In, in those, like 10 or 11 months of campaigning.

Yeah.

I walked on every single street in the city of Tiffin and knocked on all the doors and sometimes twice, and just had conversation with people.

And a lot of people did say, like, what's your platform?

Like?

I don't have a platform.

I just want to keep tiffin going in the right direction.

The previous mayor, Aaron Montz, who had been mayor for three terms, stepped down just before the end of his last term.

And as soon as I got to know Aaron and his, significant other when we just had moved to town.

So maybe that was a little bit of inspiration there because he was just a regular guy.

Yeah.

And doing all the right things and doing what was right for Tiffin.

So I thought, you know, if someone could just step in and do what's right for Tiffin without being political, right?

Do the right thing, then that'll take us a long way.

What would you what would what did you enjoy about campaigning?

You said you did it for about ten months.

So there's got to be something you like to do it for that long.

Did you enjoy talking to people at their doors?

I did enjoy talking to people at their doors.

But, the campaigning in general, I hated it because it.

That's a lot of work.

Yeah.

And that at that time, I was.

Yeah, I was still teaching.

So I would drive home, leave school at three to get home at five, have a little dinner, and Susie would kick me out the door, got to go knock on some doors.

And so we worked together to, like, map out the whole city and highlight the streets that we were going to go to that day.

And, you know, try to plan it out and have a, have a strategy.

Also.

It's you meaning, you know, there is no break or conversation.

You're not necessarily talking about issues or supporting like a levy issue.

You are had a long day of work and you are then door to door talking about yourself, right?

Which is intimidating and to some degree largely exhausting.

We're talking with Lee Wilkinson, the mayor of Tiffin, Ohio.

What was the conversation with with Susan?

And obviously, we'll we'll let her tell her side of the story later.

But what was that when you decided, to first run for, you know, when you were thinking city council and then pivot to mayor, what was that conversation like?

Well, that was, very interesting is how it evolved.

She was very encouraging, like, really get involved.

And I said, well, you know, let's maybe run for mayor instead.

She's very encouraging.

And we get out of the house.

Yeah.

Why don't we do something that would take up a lot of time?

That's as much time as you could possibly spare.

For another.

Time.

Yeah, yeah.

That wasn't the total impetus.

Yeah.

It's really just, you know, trying to get me to do what was best for me and best for the city.

You've said that, several times.

And we've got about three minutes left in our first segment.

When you say what's right for tiffin.

What does that mean to you?

Trying not to be political, you know, try to take all of the things I represent.

We we had a meeting, a couple of weeks ago where I had to be the deciding vote on a zoning issue, and it was funny because I told them, I said, this is not easy thing to do, because I feel like I have to vote the way the citizens of Tiffin would vote because I represent them.

That's right.

So I did, and I think that made it a better decision.

And I think it was well-received because of that statement.

I represent 37 residents.

Talk to me about, when you think of a resident of Tiffin who who is in your mind?

We it's really middle America.

Yeah.

Because, you know, people, they have their families, they wake up early, they go to work, or sometimes they work third shift and they come home, try to make ends meet, go to the grocery store.

I see people in the grocery store just walking around town all the time.

And it's just they're just trying to live their best life.

What is something what did you do when either when you were preparing to run for mayor or once you became mayor to learn the city apparatus, to get to know the administrators and the employees, what kind of learning curve was that for you?

That was a steep learning curve.

Yeah, yeah.

But I had a pretty good relationship with the previous mayors.

So I went to see Dave Martin, who is mayor.

It's like three years ago, still in Tiffin.

And I spent some time just sitting down having coffee with him.

And there in Montana, and we had dinner with him frequently and even, Jim Moore off, who was the mayor right before Aaron, stopped by his house.

They invited me over to just sit and talk about things.

But when I was campaigning, I would just go into City hall frequently unannounced, and just say, hey, can I talk to Mayor Dawn?

Because Don on it was the mayor right before me, and, she almost always had time for me to or bed time, and we'd go in and talk about things.

I went to all the meetings I could possibly go to, including, you know, some of the county meetings with the county commissioners.

That all helped make those relationships kind of gel together.

When you describe Tiffin to, somebody who's not from Tiffin, how do you describe it?

Friendly.

Because every, every month, at least now in the summer, we have, like, events going on just to promote the downtown businesses and people from all around Tiffin and Seneca County come downtown Tiffin and just take advantage of what's going on.

And it's nice to just talk to people.

Lots of smiles and, sometimes people stop me and say, hey, can I tell you about this?

And sometimes it's a problem and sometimes it's like, thank you for doing something.

But.

Which one do you prefer?

It's always nice to get some.

Thank you.

Yeah, yeah.

But a lot of those things are not things that I'm responsible for.

So I feel like I have to just be aware of everything going on in Tiffin.

So I have some kind of an answer.

Yes.

All right.

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When we come back, we'll talk about Tiffin and talk about where Tiffin is headed.

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It's Mayor Monday and we are in Tiffin, Ohio with mayor Lee Wilkinson.

So when you.

I think we were talking about this is going to be probably boring to some, but I think it is important.

And Gretchen usually asked this question, but poorly.

So I'm going to try to resurrect it, touch just a little bit about the infrastructure of, of Tiffin, the number of employees of the departments that are please give.

Us is it a strong mayor?

You have a city administrator.

What is the.

We do have a city administrator in the charter.

Like, outlines the local government as a strong mayor.

But really, I just have the power of presenting things to city council.

And the city Council really has the final vote on most things, because most things involve money in the budget.

And all of that has to go through city council.

How many seat, Councilman?

Seven.

Okay.

Who's your least favorite with that?

That's a joke.

That's that's not to show.

That was a total joke.

You told us off air.

We'll put it on social media.

Yeah.

Sorry, Carl.

Yeah.

I hope I hope so much that there's a Carlisle Council.

I looked okay, when you when you think about, you know, you get into that the seat as mayor, what was there was there a moment that you were like, oh, no.

What did I just do?

No, there wasn't that, but it was, more of a oh, no, I have so much, so.

Much to do.

Yes.

Yeah, that was more it.

And I spent a lot of time with our we had a finance director at the time who had been with the city for 34 years.

Oh, wow.

And so I spent a lot of time with her going over like the budget, the books and everything.

So I could learn about, like, how does the money come in, how does it go out, where does it go, and who approves all of that?

That's right.

So that was that was huge because she retired after about a year that I was in.

And so that kind of left everything.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

And the mayor is responsible for the budget.

So I spent a lot of time putting together all of that on a spreadsheet in a ways that I could understand it.

Now, now, your math degree is coming.

Into coming.

Into play.

It does help a lot.

Yeah I bet.

Yeah.

What's something that you have to do every week that people may not realize is a responsibility of of the mayor.

Something that people don't know about.

Yeah.

That's a tough one.

Things that I have to do every week.

Every day.

Like we just went on a small vacation to Denver, so I was gone for three days out of the office, didn't read emails or anything.

I came back, of course, there's four pages of emails about everything.

Yeah, yeah, most of them are relevant, you know, from citizens asking questions about what's going on, from department heads asking, you know, how can we get this done from our engineering department about papers.

I have to sign contracts that have to be signed.

And just to keep things going.

So a lot of those things, the contracts, I think that's something that a lot of people don't know, is when our engineering department prepares to, let's say, have a sewer dug up or road repaved or something like that, there's always bidding and contracts and all of those things go through the engineering department.

But then they also have to go through the mayor's office.

So many steps for that kind of stuff.

What is the, I think Tiffin in Seneca County, if I'm not mistaken.

What's your relationship like with the Seneca County commissioners and with the mayors, the regional mayors around you?

How do you foster those relationships and when?

Why do you need to if you do?

Well, I do, and, while I was campaigning, I went to every county commissioner meeting like they had every week, because they meet every week.

And so I got a pretty good relationship with them.

Spent some time going out to do different events with them.

And the groundbreaking ribbon cuttings, or even just going to lunch sometimes.

So I think we have a pretty good relationship.

It's funny because, one of the lunches I remember is, Tony Paradiso, who was president of the, county commissioners at the time, just took me to lunch one time and he just presented a problem to me, said, what would you do in this case?

And I said, well, it seems pretty obvious, you know, because he was talking about parking, which is kind of an issue in Tiffin.

And I said, well, if we give up those parking spaces for court employees, then that frees up parking spaces along the street.

And he was, like the previous mayor, never thought about that, you know.

And he was telling me all of these things, like, those are the kind of things, you know, just using common sense.

Yes.

You said when you ran for mayor you didn't really have a platform.

You just wanted to keep tiffin moving forward.

Which in and of itself is a platform.

Right.

But what is that?

What is what it's what did forward mean then and what does it mean now?

Well, some of those things are a little painful because, we have the EPA mandated long term control plan, which is like rebuilding the sewers and separating the sanitary, the fun farms or all the fun stuff.

And, that had been proposed way back near 2005 and kind of kicked down the road and kicked down the road and kicked down the road.

And so I remember when we had our, candidates night with the League of Women Voters, that question came up about, you know, what are we going to do?

Because it's going to be really expensive.

Yes.

So I explained, like if they had started it back in the early 2000, it would have cost half as much as it's costing.

Now if we kick it down the road, is this going to inflate the cost more and more and more.

So we just got to buckle down and get it done.

We have a plan.

Let's follow the plan.

I to that end, we is there a project?

I'm sure there's multiple.

Multiple.

So I'll let you off the hook there.

But before we move into the future, is there something that in particular, puts wind in your sails that you've accomplished, or with your team?

Certainly in your time as mayor.

Housing was always a big issue.

Sure.

And so, actually, I learned about this while I was campaigning before I became the mayor, I learned about the, Welcome Home Ohio program, from the state of Ohio.

And it was a grant program.

So I went to economic development, Corporation, which was up at the time, and, presented it to them.

And they did a little research and came back and said, I'm not sure it's going to fit Tiffin.

So I called somebody else, economic development, Fostoria.

And the lady up there said, we're already working on it.

And I said, let's partner with, Tiffin and Fostoria together.

So we did, and I didn't do a lot of the legwork, but it kind of made me feel good that I maybe was part of that.

Sure.

So eventually we got a $2.75 million grant to build homes in Fostoria and Tiffin.

People talk about a housing crisis, which is true across the country, but the crisises are different.

Regionally.

Can you talk to us a little bit about tiffin specific, housing situation because it's not cookie cutter.

The coast, crisis is different than us in the, in the middle here.

So Tiffin in particular taught us a little bit of housing and what you're doing to solve for.

Well, we need more workforce housing because, you know, if we want to grow, if we want to grow our industry in manufacturing, then we need people that can work there right?

And that's how we can attract those businesses to Tiffin.

So the workforce housing, that's where the Welcome Home Ohio grant came in, because we have now some new homes that are built.

They're going to be they're being marketed now.

They're not quite finished yet.

So I'm, I'm kind of waiting for June.

Yeah, that works out.

So that'll be interesting.

But, we also had a proposal from, The Willows.

That's the, if you remember the name of the corporation, Trilogy Corporation, to come in now, the Willows is, nursing home.

But they have leveled, you know, they have independent living and assisted living and then nursing care.

Well, they're they're building 30 new patio homes.

That's the groundbreaking that we had last week.

And, so those 30 new patio homes have the potential of freeing up some homes in the city because, you know, as seniors downsize, right?

And, you know, get tired of mowing grass and taking care of all the maintenance, then that opens up the homes in Tiffin, also working with Tiffin University, they're building a big new dormitory to house 450 students.

And currently a lot of those students rent houses in the city of Tiffin.

So that, again, should free up some more housing there.

How is your relationship with the administration at Tiffin University?

What kinds of interactions do they have with with you as mayor and with the City of Tiffin?

Well, any of the projects that they have going on, like the dormitory project and they just put up a, academic building also, they work closely with especially our engineering department to kind of work things out about how we're going to get all the engineering work that has to be done to rebuild those streets and reroute the sewers and all of that.

So we have a pretty good relationship.

If.

Budget and having to get approval by city council, we're no object.

What what is the thing that you would put in Tiffin tomorrow?

What is the what is the initiative or the the proposal or the building or whatever that you would you would have in Tiffin?

And where would you put that statue of you?

Right in the middle of it.

You're right.

You know where it deserves to be, right?

Yeah.

So we have a strategic plan for downtown, and I was going through that recently and taking a look at all the things that were planned out, and some things just popped into my head, like, this would be really excellent to have.

And I've talked to our county commissioners about this already.

Is that the green space in front of the courthouse, which is like right downtown?

I think we just missed a big opportunity because that could be something that would just be so pedestrian friendly.

Right now it's more of a keep off the grass kind of an area.

Sure, but I would like it to be more of a pedestrian friendly, gathering.

Yes.

So that's one thing that I would change.

We were talking with Lee Wilkinson, the mayor of Tiffin here on a mayor Monday on the 419.

What's the what's the dream?

Right.

What what are your goals for the rest of your term?

And kind of what's the dream for Tiffin for you?

Well, the dream for tiffin for me.

That's that's a tough one because it's like all over the place, part of it, you know, like where the office is.

And where a lot of the focus is on the downtown, because that's like, for any small town, like, that's the heart of the city.

Right now the, Gibson Hotel is being renovated, which is really exciting to me.

Yeah.

And we still have a couple of empty buildings downtown.

One of them is kind of bad shape.

There was a fire in 2021, and I would really like those to be renovated and brought back up to their glory of, you know, those historic buildings.

All right.

We've got, we're running a little bit out of time here.

We certainly want to embarrass you with Gretchen's wacky quiz.

But if something was coming into tiffin, and that you wanted to make sure they saw something or experienced something.

What is.

If they only had one, what would it be?

Only one.

Well, this is going to be more than one.

But there are parks, including we have a splash pad and amphitheater, which is where we have lots of events.

But the parks are awesome.

And when is the heritage festival in Tiffin?

September, like third week of September.

And it's a pretty big event for the whole city.

This is a pretty big deal.

We have a Heritage Festival parade, and that goes on all weekend.

Very fun.

There was a good, kind of decades stretch, because my family is all runners that we would spend, several days in the fall in Tiffin.

The Tiffin Carnival is one of the, It's one.

Of the biggest.

Yeah, high school cross-country races in the state.

And it's a great it's a it's a great venue.

It's a great community, very welcoming.

And we always we always enjoyed going.

There was a big deal.

Love it.

Yeah.

All right, all right, buckle up.

It's now time for Gretchen's wacky quiz.

I'm going to ask you for rapid fire questions.

Gretchen is going to have you describe Tiffin in one word, and you and Matt are going to list off the nine best things in Tiffin.

All right.

Help you through it.

That's the form one nine.

Here we go.

If you had the chance to be in the Olympics.

Oh, boy.

Which sport would you compete in.

Is pickleball is or.

Yep, that's going to be in the Olympics.

It will be in okay.

If you're going.

To compete it.

Will be I used to play a lot of tennis.

I haven't played pickleball yet, but it just looks like a lot of fun.

So I'd like to do.

That, I love it.

If you could be similar question if you could be any sea animal, what would you be?

It's not a similar question, just.

See, you would see animals.

In the Olympics.

Okay.

Like a sea otter, because I think they have a lot of fun.

Baby friendly.

You can travel anywhere in the world.

Where would you go?

Oh, that's a tough one.

The typically I would say tiffin.

That's the politically correct answer.

Correct.

But you're not allowed to say.

Okay, but we do like to travel.

We have been lots of places.

We had a pretty good time in Denver this past weekend, but there's places I have not been to.

I've never been to the west of Denver, so maybe just some exploring of the US, you know, southwest.

Okay.

All right.

And then, this could be a terrible question.

What do you say when you answer the phone.

That you definitely.

Love it, I love.

It.

I don't say this is a mayor's office.

I just say, this is.

This is Lee, I like it.

Mr.

Mayor, what is the one word you would use to describe, the city of Tiffin?

I would have to say friendly.

Okay.

All right.

Because that's what you experience when you walk around anywhere in Tiffin.

All right.

Nine things about Tiffin.

You already mentioned parks.

You mentioned a splash pad and an amphitheater.

So you're actually already three in.

Okay.

All right.

So let's start.

Let's start there.

It list off.

We have six more.

Wow.

Six more.

Of course, the downtown, which is the heart of the city, but that includes a whole bunch of things, you know, all of our, like, little restaurants, mom and pop shops, mom and pop shops.

That's, I think.

Three, two for that.

And the mom and pop shops are not just downtown, but we have a Westgate shopping center.

Right.

And, the Wolf, is at Wolf Creek, local shopping area.

A lot of mom and pop shops.

Are you.

Asking us?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, you got two left?

Yeah.

Them, to, Well, the final one should be obvious, but, tell it.

Go ahead.

Okay.

One way streets.

Yes.

People hate them, but they really secretly love them.

Because once you get on there, there's one way in and one way out.

Yeah, I think we're familiar with how they work.

Yeah, yeah.

And and it makes it, like, rotate.

Yeah, yeah.

And everybody's going in the same direction.

Less like.

Less crashes.

You know, the whole thing.

Yeah.

More pedestrian.

When you're crossing the street.

You only have to.

Look one week yet.

Mr.

Mayor.

Yeah.

I can't believe how excited Gretchen got.

Yeah.

I one was.

Killed.

And on a what?

I have to walk around downtown Toledo everyday.

People trying to.

Kill you has nothing to do with.

It.

And it's because of the you got one left.

I can't emphasize how obvious the answer should be.

They may or may not be sitting.

In the studio.

It might be our next guest.

Yeah.

What is what is the.

We saved the best for last.

What is the best thing?

It might be the.

Best thing in Tiffin is the reason I came there in the first place, which would be my wife, Susan.

There it.

Is.

He's a politician.

Landed the plane.

He's a terrible.

Politician.

He's a great leader.

Mr.

mayor is so nice to meet you.

Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you.

It was so, I enjoyed that.

We're going to get all the real answers.

Coming up after the break is we welcome.

That's right.

A local business owner and community leader in her own right.

I don't want to diminish, Susan by saying she is just the mayor's wife.

She is so much more in that I'm excited to hear her story.

When we come back on the other side of the break, we'll be joined by Susan Wilkinson on the 419.

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Welcome back into the 419, powered by its mayor Monday.

We just wrapped up a conversation with the mayor of Tiffin, Lee Wilkinson, and we're joined now by his better half, Susan Wilkinson.

Welcome to the program.

Thank you for being here.

Lee drove.

It's too early.

Yeah.

All right.

What is your peak driving time?

Oh, I don't really drive that much because I just live over the bridge from my from downtown, so I do a lot of walking.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

So the mayor had said that, you know, I mean, you are the reason why he's in Tiffin.

Are you born and raised Tiffin or what brought you to Tiffin?

I was born and raised.

I was born and raised in Tiffin until early elementary school.

Then I graduated from Newaygo, which is a little small town, farming community where my my dad grew up.

Okay.

So we keep talking about these new regal ribs.

This is a real thing.

It's a. Real.

I said it's a real thing.

That doesn't mean it's real.

That's a great point.

Even when I was saying that so profoundly, I was like, I don't even know what that is.

So the mascot, the tiffin and the dragons.

Well, that's the University of Southern is the dragons.

Actually, you had it right with the tornadoes earlier.

It's the Tiffin.

Columbian tornadoes.

Interesting.

And then we also have the Calvert Senecas and the Heidelberg student princes.

Yeah.

Student princes.

Prince.

Is it prince?

Yeah.

As in the cake.

It's.

It's like a name.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You haven't heard of them?

They're like.

Have we ever.

I mean, I know two.

Extremely talented sports.

Yeah.

No, no, I know Tiffin Culver.

I just realized their mascot was the Senecas.

What is this?

So the Native.

American.

You monster.

What's the Seneca.

With?

You know, my.

Sorry.

What's, So you are a local business owner.

So, you know, mayor talked about investment in downtown and the importance of downtown.

And obviously, we know in every small town downtown, is is really sort of the, the personality of of that whole city.

What when did your business, simply.

Susan.

Right.

Where it's never simple.

Where is that?

I love it.

I love it.

What is.

It?

What is.

It?

Yeah.

Simply.

Susan started in 2016.

Previous to that, I had a scrapbook store.

We had a big box store come in, and that kind of just was a bad experience.

Yeah.

So I was driving through downtown.

I saw a vacant building.

I had delivered mail earlier, in my lifetime, and I knew who owned that building, and we rented it, and we had no idea what was going on in in nothing.

I had no idea.

But everything falls into place.

Yeah.

So it's a mixture of gifts and hand-dipped chocolates and apparel boutique.

I'm all about making memories for our community because I think about what my parents did for me and what I did for my kid.

And now we're empty nesters and I'm menopausal, so I cry all the time.

So I just want to make people happy.

Yeah, sure.

Well, this show, Has a lot of tears usually, anyway, you know?

So it's right on brand.

Oh, I was curious about this.

It's okay if it doesn't have a road process, but how do you decide what's in the store and when do those decisions made?

Sometimes I get stuff, and I don't know how I ordered it or why, or I just go with it.

And then the crying starts.

Yeah.

You know, I, I hop on Facebook live, and I just, I just get honest with my customers and be like, look, I ordered this.

I don't know why.

Yeah, but I think.

You need it.

You need it.

Yeah, absolutely.

And where.

Are you?

Here.

I have some chocolate.

Yeah.

And, you know, that's my biggest thing is when somebody is trying on something, they'll be like, oh, it's too small.

I'm like, we'll go a size bigger.

They're like, no, that's too big.

I'm like, just have some chocolate.

Have I got some good news for you?

I can get you in that dress in about 30 minutes.

How did you in the mirror meet?

We met through mutual friends.

Yeah.

You know, it just.

It just happened.

Just worked.

You know, like.

Don't rush.

I tell my kids about don't rush like your parents can't tell you anything when you're young, but don't rush.

Yeah, that's what.

Was the sales pitch.

You know, obviously, you know, when you guys started dating.

We're getting serious.

What was the sales pitch on getting him to Tiffany?

Oh, it wasn't a sales pitch.

It was just letting him experience it.

Our first our first date in Tiffin was at the Mexican restaurant.

I think the second time we ate at Reno's Pizza.

Like when you experience tiffin, you want to be in Tiffin.

Well, so.

Yeah.

What?

Being a being a business owner, being a small business owner.

I mean, you mentioned the big box store coming in and you know that making it challenging.

What are some of the challenges that that you face today as a small business owner and why is it important for for folks to support local?

That could be 20 more segments.

It's if there's any time that it's more important to shop local is now and I understand I just had a live the other day and I explained, I get it, I know what the grocery prices are.

I get what the gas prices are.

So just try to be mindful, mindful of where you're getting it.

And I know it's it's quicker to jump online and order your toilet paper and have it sitting at your door.

But when you walk into the even that big box store and you, you buy the toilet paper and you buy all the stuff that puts somebody in your local town to work and that that's important, it makes a difference.

Everybody need to.

So God forbid you run into a neighbor and talk.

Yeah, I mean, that needs to be something.

That is missing that I think is sort of and this is a profound statement, but is the backdrop of one of the things that we're missing out on.

We constantly talked about the fact that we're not communing like we used to.

And there is a direct correlation to things.

Just drink dropped off at your door.

No.

If I was the mayor, I would prefer probably no one to talk to me at the grocery store.

But you're not married to a leader like that.

He is a for the people and for tiffin.

But I do think having a downtown store might seem Rockwell in, But those photos or images resonate because they remind us of not who we used to be, but maybe who we should try to be now.

So that being said, there are a lot of things going on.

You've started a not for profit that I think actually absolutely echoes this philosophy, not just about that in its purpose.

So I started a nonprofit, last year or the year before.

It's called simply Shop Local.

Our purpose is to create community events that have a positive economic impact for our businesses.

So our first event was last December, and we did a Holiday to Remember in downtown Texas.

And I'm proud to say after ten years, we finally had fireworks in downtown Tiffin.

That's a for sure.

So it was a lot of people didn't know.

So when they started going off, they were like, what is happening?

Yeah.

And then so many people didn't know afterwards.

So yes, it's coming back.

The first Friday in December.

Right.

So we are so excited about that.

We're getting ready to launch, our spring event, which is, a wild goose chase in downtown in Tiffin, not downtown Tiffin.

That is throughout all of Tiffin, we have over 50 Portuguese above it.

And you just it's like a little scavenger hunt and you get to you.

You get to see the geese, but more importantly, you, you get to to find the businesses, meet the owners.

I would say 100% of all of our participants are the owners work in their establishment.

How do.

You sell guys.

Outfits at Simply Susan?

I do not.

Okay, but we have a great little shop called Cabin Creations in downtown Jeff.

And they went viral, during the eclipse with their webcams.

Yeah.

So they they're, like, very nostalgic.

And, they have a lot of Avon, that kind of stuff.

Goose galore.

I'll tell you, our producers, our positioning collects, Hummel goose figurines.

It's his words.

It's a big part of his life.

He is somebody who feels more comfortable with porcelain dolls and humans.

Is there open storefront to Tiffin?

And how do we get him to move there?

It's a day.

Well, we'd have to hook you up with our economic development.

I will point out that when.

You know we will find him, I'll find him a place, because that is very unique.

Yes, he is very effective.

When you have a complaint, you own a business in the city of.

In the city of Tiffin.

If you have a concern about your road not being, plowed or trash not being picked up, do you call in to the mayor's office?

Do you have or you just put in a regular complaint, or do you just wait until you get home?

Oh, no.

No, I, I've been a business owner for ten years before I was mayor I try to stick to whose responsibility is.

I'm sure the city administrator is like, she has to go.

Sure, but, you know.

But that was before.

I try to be respectful of of how it's supposed to work and, you know, keep that.

Keep that life separate.

But, you know, I do like to bounce ideas off my husband.

And like, when I said, like, let's do an ice skating rink.

He's like, go talk to Bryce at at the parks.

But Bryce was like, yeah, let's do it.

So we got it.

We have an ice skating rink.

And when I said, can we do fireworks?

He's like, you know, go talk to the chief.

The fire chief.

And I remember walking up and he was like, yeah, why not?

And I was like, are you poking me?

Yeah.

Like, where's the camera?

Like, you don't say yes that easily.

And it happened like they're very they're just normal people that like good ideas.

Yeah.

And and they, they want what's best for them.

I think that your enthusiasm and your, your talents are being put to good use in tiffin.

You could obviously put them to good use in any number of ways.

Why do you choose to do it?

To the benefit of the city?

I'm addicted.

Yeah.

I've.

I've questioned myself a lot about that lately because, you know, with the small business, it's a lot of work.

Yes.

Adam is doing this.

Is that taking away from that?

And even if it is or isn't, I. I can't stop.

Like I'm telling you when you see kids.

Yeah.

You see families, you see grandmas, you see grandpas.

We at the holiday to remember, we had a grandpa that had his face painted like the Grinch and his granddaughter just.

She was tickled pink.

Yeah.

So like that.

That's why I do it.

And maybe that's part of your answer.

We asked the mayor this, and we asked most of the mayors this or people that, do things for others.

When you think about a person in Tiffin.

Talk to me.

Describe that person I just want to say family.

Sure.

Because even though it's not blood like you, you know everybody.

Yeah.

I may not remember their name because I'm getting older, but, yeah, I remember their name.

Or sometimes I remember their address because I used to deliver mail and that really freaks about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's why they say their name.

I'm like, oh, you lived it for 15 bucks.

And they're like, yeah.

You guys are heavy sleepers.

Well.

Unless you're a Portuguese.

Right?

Right.

Yeah, that's a shame.

So talk to us a little about moving forward.

Texas.

Talk to us about, the event season is upon us here weather wise in northwest Ohio.

But talk to us about this year and maybe next if you want to.

Tiffin is the place to be this summer.

Is it the wild goose chase next week on Thursday?

Bring your dogs.

It's the the dog.

The parking lot party in downtown Tiffin.

It's our third Thursday event.

We do something every third Thursday.

Cool.

So the my dogs will not be there.

They cannot handle.

What are these.

Dogs names of yours?

Redington.

Rose.

Indy.

Indy.

Lee.

Yeah.

And then we have a grand dog, and her name is Maddie.

No.

And we call her Tiff because she's from Chicago, so she thinks she's high class.

Oh.

All right.

Yeah.

I wasn't following.

That is like a a dog and tiff a name Tiff.

I felt pretty confident where that name put me to.

Well, she's just spoiled.

So it's like a play on Tiffany, right?

But, like, you can bring your dogs down.

We have a near nail salon that will paint your dog's nails.

Yes.

Like there's lots of little things for that to do with your dogs.

And that we have an amphitheater that has an amazing series this summer.

We're kicking it off on June 20th with our first ever night Farmers Market.

Yeah.

Very fun.

I'm so excited.

We have like 15 or so businesses are setting up with their geese.

We're going to have a tribute band to the Eagles.

Out of Eden will be there.

It's all free.

Well, like the concerts free right at the farmers market, right.

But I think it's really going to kick off the season.

And then we have all those, the third Thursday, all the third Thursdays.

We have Thursday night tunes.

Yeah.

So 4th of July, like huge fireworks.

How is this in your DNA or your folks, or siblings?

Tell us a little bit about that.

Why?

I am the way I am.

I'm outspoken because of my mother.

Okay.

All right.

I don't know.

My my my dad was a farmer.

He worked all the time.

My mom worked in factories because she needed to have the health insurance.

I was involved in school.

We have, you know, never had 32 kids in my class.

Like, in three of them were first cousins.

So, like, we literally were family.

I was, what is that?

It's not city council.

Student council?

Yeah, sure.

You know, I was student council president.

You know, I just.

I mean, I. Love a good Thanksgiving.

Anyway, it seems like a. Good you some.

I love.

A good.

Theme.

Yeah, I love it.

Yeah, I love I. Love to decorate outside of my store.

If you come, it's always sparkly when we.

Come to Gretchen's house.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

We're talking with Susan Wilkinson from Tiffin, Ohio.

Susan, we normally don't do this twice, but because we have a husband and wife combo on, we're going to put you on the spot.

It's now time for.

She's ready to wacky quiz.

Let's do this.

I'm excited about this.

For rapid fire questions for me.

Gretchen's going to be describe Tiffin in one word.

And then that will list the nine best things in Tiffin.

And then we'll compare who had the better list, whether it's you or your husband.

All right.

Question number one.

Which movie do they need to make a sequel to?

I know some of these are tough.

Okay, let's have a second edition of Heirs to Her.

Yes.

Tom Harris was a movie.

I'm not a movie.

I'm the Taylor Swift Harris.

Okay, make the documentary.

Let's do.

It or let's do it on Harry.

Styles.

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, now we got it.

All right.

What is your most treasured possession?

My family.

Yeah, and my Harry styles poster.

Yeah.

Maybe we can cut out.

It's not a poster.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a fortress.

Yeah.

What's the most unusual food combination that you love?

It's not unusual, but I'm telling you, when you come to some places.

And if you take half a salted caramel and half of a buckeye, it's the best thing you ever had.

That.

Can I take a whole delicious salted?

Well, if you can, a whole bucket if.

You can fit it all in your mouth.

I want to savor it.

You might want to see.

Down the hatch.

Yeah, that's my motto.

All right.

If you were featured on the local news.

Oh, no.

What would you most likely be on there for?

Stealing?

I guess I thought it was about going on the news, not going to jail.

Yeah.

All right, well.

Sometimes they go hand in hand.

I'm all about events.

I'm all about come to Tiffin, make memories like I could come here every week and tell you something that's happening in Tiffin and why you need to be there.

Okay.

What is the one word you would use to describe the city of Tiffin?

Oh, unique.

Okay, I have it here.

I would like for that Harry styles.

All right.

We've got nine of your favorite things about Tiffin or the region.

If you want to include some of, your partners in the area, but you need nine.

Nine things in Tiffin that I love.

It could be other other local businesses, restaurants.

I can't name local businesses because I would feel bad.

They can be the names of the geese around town.

The ampitheater I went.

Oh, absolutely.

The amphitheater, the skating rink.

Skating rink with the fireworks of our.

New fireworks, the pedal bike.

We have a pedal bikes.

Yes.

We should probably put in the middle here all the people who agreed, or wanted to support and do this or the people that.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's the people.

It's it's the camaraderie.

It's the partnerships.

Got two left.

The farmers.

Market.

The farmers.

Market for us is every Saturday we.

Have one left.

What is the last one?

Your husband said.

But we had to pay.

Oh, he said it was my business, but I don't, I don't.

He said it was you.

Oh, it's me.

So I guess I will say.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Tell us how much for date?

Very quick.

Give the.

Very quiet.

Drive home of the Tiffin, Marcus.

Chase.

So that that's the best part is it goes Memorial Day through Labor Day.

Okay, great.

And I'm telling you, if you come to Tiffin and you wanted to, I am more than happy to do it.

Where can people go?

I'm talking to the viewers.

Anybody come stop in and simply Susan's.

I will tell you all the best of the best, which all of it's the best.

But there's, We have this great wing place.

Yes.

What's it called?

Hop Tom Street.

Man.

He's the name it in Tiffin.

Are there.

Where is simply Susan's?

We're located in downtown Tiffin.

Yep.

All right, all.

Right, Shane.

Please let.

Susan.

Thank you.

You are welcome.

Thank you so much.

Yeah.

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Welcome back into the 419 powered by GT as we wrap up a major Monday edition and an exciting trip to Tiffin, Ohio with, mayor Lee Wilkinson and his wife, Susan.

They were lovely.

Delightful.

Tiffin is lucky to have both of them.

I agree.

And I think it's, you know, when we heard the story again, we talked about it.

It was unique for the mayor to be, not from the area.

I agree.

Right.

And most of our mayors that were born and boarded raised.

Yeah.

And so for him to be a transport.

Move back to their hometown to then you know, and felt like plugging in.

That's right.

Right.

But then you can obviously see where his passion for tiffin comes from.

I think it'd be it would be difficult to share a house with Susan and not love.

Yeah.

I love tiffin more.

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

That's right.

Absolutely.

And of course, they've got their cool, little little goose chase.

Wild goose.

Chase starts Memorial.

Day.

I was.

I was I was secretly hoping that they were chasing live geese.

Yeah.

Well, let me tell you something.

That doesn't mean that can't happen to you, right?

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Maybe we have some kind of.

They had some kind of race element to the to this next year's event.

Oh, they.

Did so they had that already.

Know it's a chase, not a race.

We did.

Yeah.

Out here.

I'm with you.

And then, you know, we did we did our for one night day, at juke mode downtown.

But we should take it on the road we got to and.

Said, yeah, I think you chowder heads.

Can, it's not in Tiffin.

Right, but adjacent new regal ribs worth.

Okay.

Are you guys rib fans?

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

We.

Can we do that?

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