>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, OUR WEEKLY LEGISLATIVE UPDATE LOOKING AT THE STATE CAPITOL AND WE HERE FROM REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS.

WE HEARD ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN TEMPE AND FROM THOSE OPPOSED.

AND A HIGHER EFFICIENCY SOLAR PANEL.

THESE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS FILING A BREACH OF CONTRACT SUIT OVER TEMPE'S PLANS TO BUILD A $2.1 BILLION SPORT'S AND ENTERTAINMENT COMPLEX WEST OF TEMPE TOWN LAKE.

IT CLAIMS THE PROJECT INCLUDING A NEW ARENA FOR THE ARIZONA COYOTES VIOLATES AN AGREEMENT THAT LIMITS HOW CLOSE TEMPE CAN PUT IT CLOSE TO SKY HARBOR AIRPORT AND IT TRIES TO AVOID TEMPE NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT ORIGINALLY OPPOSED THE PROJECT AND PULLED BACK AFTER A TEN THAT GIVE AGREEMENT REQUIRING THE COYOTES TO DEFEND THE AIRPORT AND RESIDENTS FILED NOISE LAWSUITS.

THAT AGREEMENT COLLAPSED.

ALL OF THIS AS RESIDENTS ARE SET TO ROTE ON THERESIDE.

>>> A TENNESSEE SHOOTING THAT KILLED THREE CHILDREN AND THREE ADULTS.

IT WAS A TRANSGENDER BERRY'S TWEET AND A MOVIE THAT SHOWED A MOVIE WITH A GUN IN EACH HAND AND, QUOTE, US, WHEN WE SEE TRANSPHOBES AND THE GOVERNOR ACCEPTED BERRY'S LETTER AND DOES NOT CONFIRM VIOLENCE AND IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE VALUES THE ADMINISTRATION.

>>> IT'S WEDNESDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE WEEKLY LEGISLATIVE UPDATE IN WHICH WE HEAR FROM LAWMAKERS ON THE LATEST ACTIVITY AT THE STATE CAPITOL AND THE REPUBLICAN'S TURN AND SENATE PRESIDENT PRO PRO-TJ THOPE AND LEO BIASCIUCCI.

>> YOU 'DO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT EXPRESSES THOUGHTS AND FOR MISS BERRY, NOT THE FIRST TIME THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING QUESTIONABLE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS.

>> IT WAS ON THE FBI'S MOST WANTED LIST FOR KILLING POLICE OFFICERS AND, YOU KNOW, NOT THE BEST THING TO DO THEN, EITHER, AND OBVIOUSLY, I THINK, THOUGH, HOPEFULLY, WE CAN CLOSE THE BOOK ON THAT AND A HORRIBLE THING TO SEE YESTERDAY.

AND HOPEFULLY, WE CAN MOVE ON AND PICK UP THE PIECES THERE.

>> Ted: CRITICS ARE SAYING THAT MAKES SENSE AND WHEN WILL THE HOUSE DO THE RIGHT THING REGARDING LIZ HARRIS AND THE THING THAT ONE OF HER GUESTS SAID IN TESTIMONY REGARDING EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER BEING A PART OF THEIR MEXICAN CARTEL AND THIS BUSINESS?

>> THAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW.

ACTUALLY, WE HAVE THE ETHIC'S COMMITTEE AND LOOK, THIS IS A DUE PROCESS WITH ALL OF THIS AND MAKING SURE THE PERSON IS ACCUSED OF SOMETHING AND THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND TESTIFY WHICH WE HAD THE ETHIC'S COMMITTEE FOR AND WE GET MAKE A DECISION ON THE NEXT MOVE AMONGST THE CHAMBER.

>> Ted: WAS SCHEDULING THAT HEARING, BEFORE OR AFTER THIS INCIDENT WITH THE PRESS SECRETARY OF THE GOVERNORS IN.

>> BEFORE.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR VETOES A FOOD TAX BILL AFTER A LOT OF MUNICIPAL LEADERS SAID THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR US OR THE STATE AND YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SAID I WANT TO REMOVE THE TAX ON DIAPERS AND THE TAX ON FEMININE PRODUCTS WHICH ARE TAMPONS AND THEN, SHE SAYS I'LL VETO THE RENTAL TAX AND FOOD TAX WHICH MAKES ZERO SENSE.

IF YOU REMOVE WHAT SHE WANTS, YOU'RE IMPACTING THE GENERAL FUND AND THIS IS IMPACTING CITIES AND TOWNS AND ARIZONA DOES NOT HAVE A FOOD TAX.

IN A TIME WE'RE STRUGGLING, A SENIOR CITIZEN, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU CAN REMOVE TO GIVE IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE.

THE ONLY REASON WE PUT A DELAY ON THERE WAS TO HELP AND SAID, EITHER STRUGGLING AND WE KNOW THE URBAN REVENUE WILL GO UP AND WAYFAIR IS GIVING MORE MONEY AND GIVE MORE MONEY NOW AND CITIES AND TOWNS WILL HAVE MORE TIME TO ADJUST.

>> Ted: WHEN ALL REVENUES GO UP AND AREN'T GOVERNORS THERE AS FAR AS THE FLAT TAX AND A LOWERING?

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A BALANCING AND CITIES AND TOWNS ARE NOT GETTING THE EXTRA FUNDING THAT YOU SAY THEY'LL BE GETTING?

>> I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, BUT I BELIEVE THE THINGS THEY'RE NOT SAYING, AMOUNTS OF ARPA DOLLARS AND MONIES THAT HAVE FLOWN, ESPECIALLY TO THE LARGER CITIES FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DIRECTLY TO THEM ARE NOT BEING DISCUSSED AT ALL.

AND THOSE ARE FACTUAL AND EXIST.

LOOK, I WAS DISAPPOINTED I VOTED FOR THE TAX AND I HAVE SEEN WHAT THE FOOD TAX DOES TO PEOPLE ON A DAILY BASIS HAVING GROWN UP IN THE GROCERY BUSINESS AND WORKED IN MY FATHER'S STORE.

I KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING AND IT DOES -- AN EXTRA COUPLE OF BUCKS MEAN PUTTING SOMETHING BACK THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING.

>> Ted: THE VETO MESSAGE AND SHE BASICALLY SAID THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD MOST BENEFIT, THEY'RE ALREADY EXEMPT AND DOES SHE HAVE A POINT?

>> IF ANYTHING, MORE OF A POINT WHY YOU WOULD APPROVE IT.

NOT EVERYBODY IS ON FOOD STAMPS.

YOU HAVE A POPULATION ON FOOD STAMPS AND EXEMPT FROM THE FOOD STAMPS.

HOW MANY SENIOR CITIZENS DO NOT QUALIFY FOR FOOD STAMPS AND THEY DO NOT DESERVE 200 OR 300 A YEAR.

EVEN DEMOCRATS SAID THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND THEY WERE SAYING THIS IS PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR AND THIS WON'T MAKE AN IMPACT.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

YOU HAVE A CHILD THAT WANTS TO PLAY SOCCER AND $200 WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

YOU HAVE BRACES OR A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, I THINK, ALL STRUGGLING FAMILIES CAN USE TO BENEFIT THEIR FAMILIES TO MAKE SURE THERE'S FOOD ON THE TABLE.

>> Ted: IF THIS WERE TO HAVE GONE THROUGH, SERVICES COULD BE CUT AND PROPERTY TAXES COULD BE INCREASED AND, AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT EVEN OUT AND LOSE THE BENEFITS YOU'RE DESCRIBING?

>> I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT WHEN THEY SAY WE'LL CUT POLICE AND FIRE.

IF MY FAMILY IS STRUGGLING AND MAKING ENDS MEET, WHEN I GET TO MY HOME, I WON'T CUT THE ELECTRICITY OR WATER, I'M GOING TO CUT THE NEXT SUBSCRIPTION AND THE THINGS I DON'T NEED.

FOOD IS ESSENTIAL.

YOU NEED FOOD.

WE'RE NOT TALKS RESTAURANTS.

WIRE TALKING GROCERIES.

FAMILIES SAY I MIGHT NOT GO OUT TO EAT TONIGHT OR THIS WEEK, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP FROM GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE.

COMPLETELY REGRESSIVE TAX.

>> Ted: CITIES AND TOWNS ON THE PROGRAM HERE AND TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR AND SAYING THIS IS NOT GOOD.

VETO IT AND SHE VETOES IT.

ARE THESE LEADERS, ARE THEY WRONG AND WHAT ARE THEY MISSING?

>> I DO BELIEVE THEY DON'T WANT TO CUT SERVICES WHICH WILL MAKE THEM DECIDE WHICH CONSTITUENCY THEY'LL UPSET.

OBVIOUSLY, I AGREE WITH Mr. Mr. BISIUCCI AND THIS WILL CUT FIRE.

I COME FROM A FIRE OF ELECTED OFFICIALS.

MY DAD THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS.

YOU HAVE A SITUATION RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU HAVE AN ENTITY LIKE THE LEAGUE AT THE CAPITOL, LOBBYING FOR THE 91 CITIES THAT ARE THERE.

I DON'T KNOW, FRANKLY, OTHER THAN THE TALKING POINTS FROM THE LEAGUE THAT THE MAYORS EVEN REALLY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THE TWO-YEAR WAITING TIME ON THIS THING.

THINGS LICK THATTHE MONEY ATTACHED AND THE RENTAL TAX, THAT WE DID SOME OF THAT.

THE REALITY IS THAT THAT IS A TAX ON THE WORKING POOR.

I REMEMBER THIS CONVERSATION TEN YEARS AGO TALKING ABOUT RAISING THE MAID LEVEL TO 138% BECAUSE THAT 100%, 138, THOSE FOLKS HAVE JOBS AND WORKING, BUT THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR SOME OF THE THINGS -- THOSE ON THE LOW END.

SO WHY WOULDN'T WE GIVE THREE THESE FOLKS A HAND?

>> Ted: IT'S SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THE CITIES AND TOWNS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT?

>> I THINK THEY'RE MISREPRESENTED BY THE LEAGUE VERY OFTEN.

>> THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE, YOU HAVE TOWNS THAT ARE SMALLER CITIES, NO RENTAL TAX, NO FOOD TAX.

HOW ARE THEY DOING IT?

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THE CITIES THAT ARE DOING IT REACHING OUT AND HOW IS THIS WORKING FOR YOU MAKING THIS WORK?

SOMETHING IS HAPPENING BECAUSE WE HAVE SMALLER TOWNS IN KINGMAN, BULLHEAD, NEITHER RENTAL OR FOOD TAX.

>> Ted: THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES, AND CITIES AND TOWNS ARE DIFFERENT AND DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES.

THE BUDGET AND SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING HAPPENED AND ARE PEOPLE TALKING?

>> YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE A POINT AND WE'RE FINALLY MEETING WITH THE GOVERNOR AND OUR LEADERSHIP IS MEETING WITH HER, AND WHAT'S FRUSTRATING IS, WE HAVE ASKED THE DEMOCRATS IS MONTH AGO THAT WE WANT YOUR ASKS FOR WHAT YOUR MEMBERS WANT.

WE HAVE A DOLLARS, A SURPLUS OF 1.8 BILLION AND HAVE YOUR MEMBERS COME TO US AND YOU COME TO US AND LET'S MAKE THIS WORK.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING YET AT ALL FROM THE DEMOCRAT SIDE.

THE MEMBERS JUST FOUND OUT A COUPLE DAYS AGO THAT THEY HAVE SOME SAY IN THIS BUDGET.

SO THAT'S DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD AND WE'VE REACHED OUT AND SAID WE'RE READY TO WORK WITH YOU.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE GOVERNOR IS ACTUALLY WORKING WITH US.

I'M DIS-APERSISTENTED DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT.

>> WE'VE HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE.

WE GAVE AND I THINK SCENARIO CAVANAGH WAS ON HERE AND REACHED OUT TO LEADER EPSTEIN TO SAY, HEY, THERE IS THE SAME EXACT SPREADSHEET THAT OUR MEMBERS ARE WORKING OFF OF.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF THE DEMOCRATIC BILLS THAT WERE VERY BIPARTISAN.

WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES?

AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SPECIFIC FROM THAT SIDE.

IN FACT, WE WERE TOLD, WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN MIDAPRIL.

I WILL SAY, HOWEVER, PRESIDENT PETERSEN, TOMA, THEY'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH HOBBS AND THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.

TED SOMETHING IS >> Ted: SOMETHING IS BEING DONE AND STARTING TO SMELL SOMETHING IN THE AIR.

>> NO WHITE SMOKE.

>> Ted: GENTLEMEN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH.

UP NEXT, WE HEAR FROM THOSE THAT WANT RESIDENTS TO REJECT A PROPOSED ENTERTAINMENT SPORT IN THE CITY.

TEMPE RESIDENTS WILL VOTE ON A NEW SPORT THAT WOULD INCLUDE A HOCKEY ARENA FOR THE COYOTES AND LAST WEEK, WE HEARD FROM SUPPORTERS OF THE PROJECT AND TONIGHT, WE HEAR FROM THOSE OPPOSED.

JOINING US NOW IS DAWN PENICH-THACKER.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE GET TO THIS, THIS LAWSUIT FILED BY PHOENIX TODAY AGAINST TEMPE, WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR EITHER CITY, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF TEMPE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING, WELL, THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

THE FAA, PHOENIX AND THE AIRPORT HAVE BEEN SOUNDING THE ALARM AGAINST THIS FOR YEARS AND SO, MY FIRST REACTION WAS THAT THIS COMES BACK TO THE DEVELOPER BEING UNTRUST WORTHY AND THEY THOUGHT THEY WORKED OUT A DEAL AND ULTIMATELY, WE SEE THAT THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT ARE SAYING NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND THEY NEED TO FORMALIZE THIS.

>> Ted: WE'LL BUILD TO A CERTAIN SPOT AND IF WE BUILD THAT SPOT, THE CITY OF PHOENIX, ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE NO ONE WOULD FILE NOISE COMPLAINT LAWSUITS.

OBVIOUSLY, NOISE TO YOU AS WELL AND ROCKY ROAD, HUH?

>> THESE INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE AIRPORT AND MOST IMPORTANT TO US, THE PEOPLE IN TEMPE, ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN VERY DEVICIVE AND HARD TO PIN DOWN THE TRUTH.

I THINK THIS JUST SPEAKS TO THAT.

>> Ted: WE HAVE A PRIVATELY FUNDED ARENA, 2000 APARTMENTS, $1250 IN TAX REVENUES AND 7,000 NEW JOBS, CLEANING UP A LANDFILL ON THEIR DIME AND WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE?

THERE THAT >> THAT'S A LOT OF NICE SOUNDING WORDS FROM A PR OPERATION AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT ONLY THE ARENA ITSELF IS ACTUALLY PRIVATELY FINANCED AND THE REST OF THIS RELIES ON MASSIVE TAX DOLLAR SUBSIDIES AND THE CITY DOES NOT DENY THIS.

THE COYOTES DON'T DENY IT AND THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IT ON THEIR SIGNS.

THERE ARE TWO PROPERTY TAX BREAKS BUILT INTO THIS AGREEMENT, PROP 303, THAT THE CITY ITSELF SAYS IS WORTH $500 MILLION.

SO WHEN THE DEVELOPER IS NOT THE ONE PAYING A $500 MILLION BILL, THAT BILL DOESN'T, "POOF" DISAPPEAR, BUT WE EXISTING TAXPAYERS BUSINESSES ARE PAYING THE BILL BEFORE HIM AND THAT'S BEFORE THE REVENUE SHARING.

WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THIS NEW TAX REVENUE, HUGE PERCENTAGES OF THAT NEW TAX REVENUE IS ACTUALLY SHARED OR KEPT ENTIRELY BY THE DEVELOPER.

AND THESE ARE THE FINANCIAL DETAILS THAT ARE IN THE 172 PAGE AGREEMENT THAT MAKES UP PROP 303.

SO AS RESIDENTS, WE'RE SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU'RE ABOUT TO WALK DOWN THE AISLE WITH THIS GUY, BETTER READ THAT PRE-NEWSPAPER TO KNOW WHAT WE WOULD BE AGREEING TO.

>> Ted: THAT $500 MILLION CLAIM DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR $800 MILLION IN DIRECT FINANCIAL BENEFITS.

DO THEY HAVE A POINT IN.

>> I'M NOT AN ECONOMIST, BUT 130 ECONOMIC STUDIES BEFORE BEEN DONE OF WHETHER THESE ECONOMIC BENEFITS REALLY COME TO THE CITIES THAT HOUSE SPORT'S ARENAS AND EVERY STUDY EMPHATICALLY SAYS NO.

THE BENEFITS THAT GET PROMISED BY THESE SPORT'S TEAMS NEVER TURN OUT.

THOSE ARE ROSY PROJECTIONS AND THE WAY I SEE IT, THERE IS NO REASON THAT TEMPE WILL BE THE FIRST CITY TO SEE ECONOMIC BENEFITS THAT NO OTHER CITY HAS.

>> Ted: AND YET, EVERY FORMER MAYOR OF TEMPE FROM COREYWOODS COREY WOODS AND IN BETWEEN, THEY ARE IN COOPERATION SPAY, AND SAY, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT.

>> SOME FOLKS HAVE REAL ESTATE, CLIENTS AND INTEREST AND THAT CANNOT BE TURNED THE OTHER WAY.

WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT, WHAT DO TEMPE RESIDENTS THINK?

ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS OF OPPOSITION, THE CITY NEVER TO A THOROUGH COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS.

THEY NEVER WENT OUT, YOU KNOW, AND ANY TIME A BIKE LANE OR A PARK, YOU KNOW, A SWINGSET HAS BEEN RENOVATED IN TEMPE, WHERE I HAVE LIVED MOST OF MY LIFE, WE GET POSTCARS AND POSTCARDS THIS LANE IS VALUABLE AND THE LAST BIG CHUNK OF LAND.

OF COURSE, WE DEVELOP IT AND IT SHOULD ALIGN WITH NEEDS, PRIORITIES AND VALUES AND THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T DO ANY OF THAT.

>> Ted: INDEED, YOU'VE DESCRIBED THIS AS A RISKY DEAL AND TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPER AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T TRUST AND THIS SORT OF THING.

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, IT'S A RISKY DEAL FOR THEM.

THE CITY IS NOT ON THE HOOK.

THEY'LL CLEAN UP THIS MESS OUT THERE, THIS LANDFILL AREA AND IT'S BEEN A LANDFILL SINCE GOD CREATED TIME.

THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS A RISK ON THEIR PARTAND NOT TEMPES PART.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND IN.

>> OF?

>> THEY'LL PROFIT MIGHTILY.

AGAIN, WHEN TAXPAYERS, EXISTING RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES ARE ON THE HOOK FOR $500 MILLION PLUS, THEN DON'T TELL US THERE'S NO RISK THERE.

YOU KNOW WHO HAS BEEN ONE OF THE LOUDEST VOICES SAYING THIS IS THE CITY OF GLENDALE, WHICH EVICTED THE COYOTES FOR NONPAYMENT AND NOT PAYING TAXES AND LEASES.

THEY HAVE BEEN VOCAL.

THE VICE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER IN SAYING TEMPE, DON'T DO THIS.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION, THERE'S THREE MEASURES AND SOME THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, WHAT, DO YOU FIND IT CONFUSING AND PROBLEMS WITH IT?

>> WE KEEP CALLING IN THE COYOTE COYOTE'S ARENA AND INTERESTING SLIGHT OF HAND.

WE WANT RESIDENTS TO KNOW, BLUE BIRD DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY OWNED BY CARDINAL'S OWNER AND IT'S NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOCKEY.

IT WILL SAY ENTERTAINMENT AND SPORT'S FRANCHISE.

SO WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO VOTE NO AND GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND FIND A BETTER PLAN FOR VALUABLE SITE OF LAND.

>> Ted: 30 SECONDS LEFT AND ANDTEMPE RESIDENTS AND SEE A MESS AND CARDINALS WHAT DO YOU SAY?

>> IT'S OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT AND OUR FLEET SERVICES AND THERE ARE 150 PEOPLE WORKING THERE, MULTIPLE OFFICE BUILDINGS AND IT IS NOTHING BUT A LIE THAT THIS IS A TOXIC LANDFILL.

IT IS A RAWABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> Ted: DAWN PENICH-THACKER,ASM THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> Ted: SUN-FLEX SOLAR IS FINDING BETTER SOLAR PANEL EFFICIENCY CALLED SUNFOIL MODEL MODELULAR TECHNOLOGY AND WE HAVE WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.

A TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKES SOLAR PANELS MORE EFFICIENT AND WE MEAN BETTER CONVERTING SUNLIGHT INTO ELECTRICITY AND THE WAY SUNFLEX DOES THAT, WE COME UP WITH AN INFO INNOVATIVE WAY AND SOMEONE'S ROOFTOP, YOU'LL SEE ABOUT 60 SOLAR CELLS AND EACH ABOUT THAT BIG IN SIZE AND THEY HAVE TO BE WIRED TOGETHER IN ORDER TO PRODUCE ALL OF THE ELECTRICITY POSSIBLE.

WE'VE COME UP WITH A NEW WAY TO DO THAT.

HOLD UP THAT PANEL, IF YOU WOULD, AND THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING, DOESN'T IT?

>> IT DOES TO ME.

>> Ted: ALUMINUM FOIL, THAT'S IT.

>> SO MOST SOLAR CELLS HAVE METAL ON THE FRONT SIDE AND YOU WOULD SEE WIRES AND THAT BAD FOR THE SOLAR CELL FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

METAL BLOCKS SUNLIGHT FROM GETTING INTO THE SILICAN AND CONVERTING THIS AND ALL METAL ON THE BACK SIDE AND THE CHALLENGE IN WIRING THEM TOGETHER.

SUNFLEX DOES THAT NOT WITH WIRE BUT WITH ALUMINUM FOIL AND THIS IS REYNOLD'S WRAP AND MAKES CONTACT TO BOTH THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE TERMINALS OF THE SOLAR CELL SUCH THAT WE CAN THEN WIRE NEIGHBORS SOLAR CELLS TOGETHER.

THIS IS A SMALL MARKETING PROTO-TYPE AND ONE AND A FULL MODULE WITH 60 OF THESE.

>> Ted: THE FOIL CONDUCTS LIKE IN A BETTER WAY OR MORE EFFICIENT WAY AND NOT SO MANY WIRES?

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

SO IT DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE IS CHEAPER THAN WIRING SOLAR CELLS TOGETHER WITH TRADITIONAL WIRE AND IT SOLVES RELIABILITY PROBLEMS AND A CHALLENGE WITH THIS SOLAR CELL AND THEY'RE MORE EFFICIENT, THEY'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THINGS LIKE CRACKING, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY LOSE POWER OUTPUT OVER TIME AND IT TURNS OUT WHEN YOU WIRE THEM TOGETHER WITH ALUMINUM FIRE, YOU GET THE HIGHER EFFICIENCY.

>> Ted: START-UP COMPANY OUT OF SU, YOUASU, YOU GET A GOOD IDEA AND THERE YOU GO?

>> I WISH IT WAS THAT IDEA.

THERE'S SIX ACTIVE SOLAR STARTUPS AND THEY START WITH GREAT RESEARCH AT THE UNIVERSITY AND MENTORSHIP, INITIAL FUNDING, SPACE, FACILITIES AND ALL AVAILABLE AT ASU.

>> Ted: IS AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL?

>> WE'RE TARGETING THE RESIDENTIAL ROOFTOP MARKET AND WE THINK THAT SOME OF THE INNOVATIVE FUTURE APPLICATIONS ARE THINGS LIKE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND NOBODY WANTS A SOLAR CELL INTEGRATED IN THE ROOF OF A VEHICLE THAT HAS A MODELED LOOK BECAUSE OF METAL AND IF YOU USE THIS SOLAR CELL, YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS, PAINT IT BLACK, INTEGRATED INTO A HOOD OF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE GENERATING POWER, AS WELL.

>> Ted: WHAT RESPONSE ARE YOU GETTING?

>> A LOT OF EXCITEMENT?

>> IS IT FOR SALE NOW OR IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT'S THE STATUS?

>> WE THINK WE'RE ONE AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS AWAY FROM SELLING PRODUCTS AND WORKING WITH A U.S.

MANUFACTURER TO TRANSFER OR TECHNOLOGY TO THEIR MANUFACTURING LINE AND THEN USING THE DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS, THOSE MODULES AND INCORPORATING THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE FIRST TO HOMEOWNERS FOR RESIDENTIAL INSULATION.

>> Ted: HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE SOLAR AND THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AND I WOULD LIKE THAT INSTEAD OF WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW, CAN IT REPLACE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE NEXT TIME THAT THE SOLAR PANELS NEED TO BE UPGRADED, YOU CAN STILL USE THE SAME WRACKING OR THE SAME INVERTER AND REPLACE THE PANEL ON THE ROOFTOP.

>> Ted: NOT A MAJOR JOB TO REPLACE ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER?

>> NOT AS MAJOR AS INSTALLING THE FIRST TIME.

>> Ted: IT'S FASCINATING STUFF, THE SUNFLEX SOLAR, ZACHARY HOLMAN, GOOD LUCK.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

THANKS FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!