>> District of Columbia officials are filing a lawsuit today challenging the Trump administration's deployment of the National Guard to the city.

The legal challenge follows a federal judge's ruling that President Trump's decision to send National Guard troops to Los Angeles was illegal.

Still, the president continues to promise sending troops to Chicago and other Democrat led cities to assist immigration enforcement and or fight crime.

Mayor Brandon Johnson signed an executive order Saturday in response to the president's threats affirming that Chicago police will not collaborate with federal agents on joint law enforcement patrols, arrest operations or other law enforcement duties, including civil immigration enforcement.

Joining us now are Alderman Raymond Lopez of the 15th Ward, which includes Brighton Park Gage Park and back of the Yards.

33rd Ward Alderwoman Rozanna Rodriguez Sanchez, whose constituents are in neighborhoods like Albany Park, Irving Park and Avondale and Chicago can't College of Law.

Professor Harold Krantz, thanks to all 3 of you for joining us.

Ok?

So this is a complicated topic.

And we know that the president has congressional authorization to send federalized National Guard troops only under extraordinary circumstances.

The president has cited the city as being a quote, crime ridden hellhole.

As we heard earlier in the show as the reason for needing that military presence.

We, of course, Professor Craig, we know that they have no arrest power.

Do you think his reasoning might hold up legally?

No, I don't think so.

I mean, I think that he's actually put foot in his mouth as he often does because to the extent that there is a >> Small window of power, too.

Basically employee Texas National Guard's Chicago.

You can only be to support a special federal mission.

Maybe can only be as well if the governor can sense.

We don't have any kind of legal precedent on that.

But even if the governor has to concern has to be a federal mission, ordinary.

Law enforcement is not a federal mission.

That's a local mission.

So into our federalist structure of our constitution, the print press would be a stronger ground if you did, as you said Los Angeles.

But he was there because ICE couldn't do its We do know that ice has been able to do its job.

So it's premature to send in troops even for good reasons.

But obviously, but just ordinary criminal law enforcement, clearly that's against the Constitution.

What do you make of argument or guess it's the argument that Governor Pritzker, the suspicion that Governor Pritzker has that by for sending in ICE agents, there could be a disruption when the community pushes back against that.

>> And then that is what would trigger the National Guard's necessity.

I mean, it's a possibility, right?

I mean, that's what I think the governor is worried about.

I think many people worried about to give an excuse to the president to send the National Guard and the question then would become whether the National Guard becomes federalized as it was in Los Angeles or whether he's >> going to follow this gambit of trying to Texas National Guard, which is of far even more frightening prospect.

>> Alderman Lopez during an appearance earlier this week on news nation.

You mentioned that despite the city's falling crime numbers, it's still an ongoing issue.

Of course, you are proponent of having the National Guard present in Chicago so that Chicago police officers can spread out to the communities and their jobs going after criminals in those communities.

How would you like to see the National Guard deployed?

>> But first off, let me I don't believe that Donald Trump's characterization Chicago as hellhole is accurate.

I think we all at this table can agree on that.

But what I do know is this is that at a time when we're still seeing violence in our neighborhoods, my ward in particular had a young man yesterday shot in the head, walking home through the alley 2 days ago.

Students were gunned down by a Venezuelan migrant.

We do need help.

We do need officers back in our neighborhoods.

So if the president is able to send the National Guard to the city of Chicago, we can use those uniformed officers, military officers to protect the city's assets like the being like making the Mag mile, maybe peer in other locations so that they are no longer guarded by police officers.

For 24 hours a day those officers can in turn return back to police districts and answer those thousands of 9-1-1.

Calls it go unanswered wars like mine and was on his every single day.

That's what makes sense to me as well as taking those federal agencies and using them as well.

Other Rodriguez, what is your reaction to all of this?

>> That's what your fellow arguing for.

I think that of many try saying communities and doing military occupation anywhere that the cater ships to I want to believe that we want to protect our democracy.

We have seen such an incredible in for flan in crime and homicides in Chicago.

And that is just on the night all time has drop to levels that we have only seen in the 60's.

And it is because of the approaches that we have been taking, that the city council, this costs us a lot.

The idea of long-term investments and a lot of times we talk when we talk about violence prevention, my colleagues talk about well, that is if you invest now you're going to get a result, 10 years down the road.

But that's not what happened with the arpa money.

There was a lot of investments in violence prevention and they are paying off actually really quickly.

So what we need to be doing is expanding those investments instead of occupying and terrorizing communities use in the community here.

That haven't been also reporting 9-1-1, reporting emergencies the way we used to either, you know, a lot of the technology that we use like ShotSpotter and others.

>> Has been disconnected in the city.

So to say that this credit don't want I want to get into Dover, relitigating right She is.

But do want to ask a question other Alderwoman Rodriguez, as we talk about black and brown neighborhoods already feeling more policed and surveilled than some other communities could deployment of National Guard in the city, even if they are just in downtown or the loop area.

Could that roll back any of the progress?

>> And the trust that has been built and I think that's the other problem is the insinuation that that creates light having the National Guard in our communities.

>> It is not a welcoming failing grade people that it is going to have an impact in the economy.

People are not going to want to be outside and that is dangerous.

Well, as Representative Martin, know for a decade, I can tell you they want to feel safe.

They want constitutional policing.

>> And this gaslighting approach that my colleague keeps going, that we're going to federalize police and takes a neighborhood.

say that is not what I talk to not talk the National Guard.

Okay.

So I'm gonna jump in again don't know what you're talking about.

so what's going respect.

So I do want to get to it so you still have to fund the I don't want harm of that safety from one of the things that we have a history of our country being fearful of a standing army of using an army for ordinary law enforcement.

And I think we need to honor tradition and look at what's happened in other authoritarian countries around talk.

A lot of having the National Guard is a police force.

We're saying using them that's what matters to saying can't do it for here is to have them here in our city to will head toward president.

grateful he will immediately clear obviously and there's difference.

There is a difference in the authority that these 2 agencies that we're talking about have, of course, the National Guard, DHS and their ice agents.

And they've been in the conversation at the same time over the course of this week.

Clarify for us what they are legally allowed to do in the city and what they're actually allowed to enforce in city of Chicago.

Ice obviously enforces immigration laws and their power to do And as the mayor said, we don't have to facilitate their actions, but we can't hinder their actions in terms of >> law enforcement.

What the National Guard does will be more speculative, but they would serve to protect ice.

So ice is being attacked if they're being frustrated, then the military or the National Guard would have a role in trying to remove those obstacles.

There is no warrant for general law enforcement purposes.

So to the extent that we all would like to have better law enforcement and we'd like to have the money that's been using the National Guard to put into services that would lower crime as well.

>> But that's not what the National Guard are supposed to do under with Congress and said they could only protect federal missions in that sense.

>> The president is seemingly you know, broadening the role of the military domestic situations.

Is that concerning to you come the midterms?

It is very concerning.

If we get in your to the fact that we have National Guard in the essentials and DC and Chicago.

>> What's going to prevent the station of the National Guard is sensitive polling places to try generate different outcomes in the midterms.

That is my chief.

You're right now learning about being desensitized to the National Guard where we've already been desensitized to the violence and the only thing disrespectful about this entire conversation is that we're forgetting.

>> The victims across all the city of Chicago.

And if we could do anything that prevents one more victim and that is definitely something we should look into on Rodriguez, we've got 30 seconds left >> I believe that we know exactly what works that we need to continue to fund the initiatives that work with those 134 million dollars.

We could find this so many services for the community.

Violence interruption, expression of mental health care.

And those are the things that we need to be looking into.

A campus will have to leave it.

I'm sure there's lots more to discuss in the coming days and weeks.

Alderman Ray Lopez Alderwoman