>>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON THE STATE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES VOTES TO REPEAL AN 1864 NEAR TOTAL BAN ON ABORTION.

WE'LL HAVE THE LATEST.

ALSO TONIGHT WE'LL HEAR FROM A GROUP OPPOSED TO A POTENTIAL BALLOT MEASURE TO GRANT ABORTION RIGHTS IN ARIZONA.

>>> AND A NEW BOOK LOOKS AT THE LIFE AND LEGACY OF FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

GOOD EVENING WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON" I'M TED SIGH MONTES THE ARIZONA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TODAY VOTED TO REPEAL AN 1864 ABORTION LAW THAT WAS RECENTLY REINSTATED MATT GRESS, TIM DUNN AND JUSTIN WILMETH JOINING DEMOCRATS TO APPROVE THE BILL.

THE REPEAL NOW GOES TO THE SENATE WHERE IT WILL BE ACTED UPON NEXT WEEK.

GOVERNOR KATIE HOBBS APPLAUDED THE HOUSE VOTE SAYING "I'M THANKFUL TO HOUSE DEMOCRATS WHO WORK RELENTLESSLY FOR YEARS TO REPEAL THIS DRACONIAN BAN.

NOW THE SENATE MUST INTO THE RIGHT THING AND SEND THIS REPEAL TO MY DESK."

NOW PRIOR TO THE HOUSE VOTE, ARIZONA'S ABORTION LAW PROMPTED CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM TODAY TO ANNOUNCE A NEW BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW ARIZONA ABORTION PROVIDERS TO BE QUICKLY LICENSED AND APPROVED TO OPERATE IN CALIFORNIA.

>> WE ARE ADVANCING A RECIPROCITY FRAME THAT WOULD ALLOW THE ABILITY FOR THOSE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS IN GOOD STANDING IN ARIZONA TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT BASIC CARE TO PATIENTS FLEEING THE STATE OF ARIZONA INTO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND SUPPORT THAT ACCESS HERE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

>> ALL THIS AS ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL KRIS MAYES IS NOW ASKING THE STATE SUPREME COURT TO RECONSIDER ITS DECISION TO UPHOLD THE 160-YEAR-OLD ABORTION BAN.

THE MOTION ASKS THE COURT TO REVISE OR THROW OUT ITS RULING CLAIMING THAT THE STATE COURT "POSITIONED ITSELF AS A COURT OF HIGHER REVIEW REGARDING FEDERAL DECISIONS."

NO RESPONSE AS YET FROM THE COURT.

MAYES HAS SAID SHE WILL NOT ENFORCE THE ABORTION BAN.

SHE WAS GIVEN THAT AUTHORITY BY GOVERNOR HOBBS WHO ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER GIVING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND NOT COUNTY PROSECUTORS JURISDICTION OVER ALL ABORTION-RELATED PROSECUTIONS.

>>> AND THE U.S. SUPREME COURT TODAY HEARD ARGUMENTS IN AN ABORTION CASE OUT OF IDAHO.

AT ISSUE IS ABORTION SERVICES ON PREGNANT WOMEN DURING EMERGENCIES.

THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT MAINTAINS THAT FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES THAT HOSPITALS PROVIDE ABORTIONS IF NECESSARY TO STABILIZE THE HEALTH OF THE EMERGENCY ROOM PATIENTS.

IDAHO, WHICH HAS A STRICT ABORTION BAN, MAINTAINS THAT THE D.O.J.

IS WRONGFULLY INTERPRETING THE FEDERAL LAW IN ORDER TO CREATE A NATIONWIDE ABORTION MANDATE IN HOSPITAL E.R.s.

HERE'S A SAMPLE OF TODAY'S QUESTIONING.

>> BUT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT THERE IS NO FEDERAL LAW ON THE BOOK THAT PROHIBITS ANY STATE FROM SAYING EVEN IF A WOMAN WILL DIE YOU CAN'T PERFORM AN ABORTION?

>> I KNOW OF NO STATE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A LIFESAVING EXCEPTION BUT SECONDLY -- >> SOME HAVE BEEN DEBATING AT LEAST.

AND IF I FIND ONE YOUR THEORY OF THIS CASE LEADS TO THAT CONCLUSION.

>> I REALLY WANT A SIMPLE CLEAR CUT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION SO THAT GOING FORWARD EVERYBODY WILL KNOW WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S POSITION IS.

DOES HEALTH MEAN ONLY PHYSICAL HEALTH OR DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE MENTAL HEALTH.

>> OVERALL THE JUSTICES APPEARED DEEPLY DIVIDED OVER THE ISSUE.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED THE ARIZONA HOUSE TODAY PASSED LEGISLATION THAT CALLS FOR THE REPEAL OF THE STATE'S RECENTLY REVIVED 1864 NEAR TOTAL BAN ON ABORTION.

HERE TO HELP SORT OUT TODAY'S LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITY IS BEN GILES OF KJZZ RADIO.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US SO WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE AT THE LEGISLATURE TODAY?

>> WELL, THREE REPUBLICANS ENOUGH REPUBLICANS IT WAS GOING TAKE AT LEAST TWO, BUT THREE REPUBLICANS DECIDED ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WE'RE GOING TO ROLL HOUSE SPEAKER BEN TOMA WHO WAS DOING EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER HE HAS A LOT OF POWER AS SPEAKER TO BLOCK A DEBATE OR EVEN A VOTE ON THIS MEASURE TO REPEAL THE 1864 BAN.

BUT, TODAY WE SAW, AGAIN TWO REPUBLICANS THAT WAS ENOUGH TO BUCK THE MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BRING THIS BILL UP FOR A VOTE THEN WE SAW THREE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR IT TO SAY THIS BAN GOES TOO FAR.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY NEEDED TWO AND GOT THREE, SURPRISED ABOUT THAT THIRD VOTE?

>> A LITTLE SURPRISED BUT IT'S NOT ANYONE WHO WE WEREN'T EXPECTING TO MAYBE BE A YES ON REPEAL.

MATT GRESS, STATE REPRESENTATIVE MATT GRESS HAS BEEN VERY OUTSPOKEN SINCE THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT RULING THAT HE THINKS THIS SHOULD BE UNDONE.

DUNN AND WILL METH WERE BOTH RUMORED TO -- WILLMETH WERE IN FAITH BUT WERE THEY WILLING TO TAKE THE STEP TO OVERTHROW HOUSE SPEAKER BEN TOMA.

WHAT WE SAW TODAY WAS DUNN AND GRESS TAKE THAT STEP.

THEN AFTER THAT WAS DONE WILMETH STEP UP AND SAY I WANT TO REPEAL THIS BAN.

>> WE GOT GRESS SAYING THAT THE LAW IS UNWORKABLE.

DUNN SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THIS THAT IF IT WERE TO STAY INTO PLACE THE CITIZENS INITIATIVE WHICH IS BEING WORKED ON WOULD LIKELY GRANT MORE ABORTION RIGHTS THAN HE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE RIGHT.

DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?

>> THE CITIZENS INITIATIVE WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS ARIZONA SUPREME COURT RULING HAS BEEN A SHOT IN THE ARM TO THEIR CAMPAIGN TO THEIR SIGNATURE GATHERING EFFORT WHICH IS STILL ONGOING TO COLLECT ENOUGH SIGNATURES TO QUALIFY FOR THIS ROUGHLY 24 WEEK ABORTION BAN TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

THEY HAVE AS OF EARLIER THIS MONTH, HALF A MILLION SIGNATURES WELL MORE THAN THEY WOULD NEED TO QUALIFY.

THEY'RE AIMING FOR ABOUT IT A HUNDRED,000 SIGNATURES -- -- 800,000 SIGNATURES.

THERE WILL BE HAVE BEEN INCREASES.

THE ARIZONA'S SUPREME COURT REALLY GALVANIZED THAT CAMPAIGN.

>> WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT INITIATIVE AND THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED COMING UP LATER IN THE SHOW.

AS FAR AS THE ARGUMENTS TODAY FOR AND AGAINST WE GOT JACQUELINE PARK COMPLETE THE TRAIL OF EVERYTHING ARIZONA STANDS FOR HAS ALWAYS STOOD FOR.

RACHEL JONES I'M DISGUSTED TODAY.

SPEAKER TOMA SAID HE WAS DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED HE MADE SOME MOVES DIDN'T HE TOOK SOME -- I THINK HE PUT GRESS OFF OF A COMMITTEE BUDGET COMMITTEE.

>> HE TOOK GRESS OFF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.

HE ALSO REMOVED THE DEMOCRATIC MINORITY LEADER FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AS WELL.

THAT LEADER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HOLDING THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS TOGETHER AND ENSURING THAT ALL 29 VOTES WERE THERE TO SUPPLEMENT THE THREE VOTES FROM REPUBLICANS.

SO, THERE'S NOT A TON YOU CAN DO TO PUNISH YOUR MEMBERS BUT TAKING MEMBERS OFF COMMITTEE IS PARTICULARLY THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE WHICH AT SOME POINT IN MAY OR JUNE SHOULD BE DEBATING A BUDGET IS CERTAINLY A BIG MOVE.

>> OK, AS FAR AS THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST, HOW PASSIONATE WAS IT DOWN THERE?

>> YOU HEARD A LOT OF PASSION PARTICULARLY FROM THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO ABORTION RIGHTS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS AND THE ARIZONA HOUSE VIEWED THE SUPREME COURT'S RULING AS A HUGE VICTORY FOR THE ANTIABORTION MOVEMENT.

THAT THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF YEARS OF DECADES OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS 1864 BAN NOT ONLY STAYS IN PLACE, BUT REMEMBER, IN 2022, WHEN THEY PASSED A 15 WEEK BAN, THEY EXPLICITLY INCLUDED LANGUAGE IN THAT LAW THAT SAID OUR INTENT IS FOR THIS TERRITORIAL 1860s BAN TO TAKE EFFECT IF THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNS ROE V. WADE WHICH IT DID LATER THAT SUMMER.

>> AND THEN THAT WAS KEY TO THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION.

THEY'VE BASICALLY SAID IT'S RIGHT THERE IN STATUTE.

IT'S CLEAR AS A BELL?

>> WHICH IS WHY I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED, FRANKLY, AT THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM ATTORNEY GENERAL KRIS MAYES THE OTHER NIGHT.

SHE ARGUED IN THAT MOTION ESSENTIALLY THAT THE JUSTICES READ INTO THE INTENT OF LAWMAKERS WRONG.

I'M STRUGGLE TOKING WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LITERAL INTENT CLAUSE THAT THE JUSTICES COULD LOOK TO AND SAY THIS IS WHAT THE LAWMAKERS WANTED TO HAPPEN.

>> RIGHT.

IT'S ALMOST IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ARGUE AGAINST THAT CONSIDERING IT'S RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE.

THIS BILL THERE'S SOME CONFUSION.

LAST WEEK THE SENATE GOT THE BALL ROLLING ON A REPEAL BILL.

NOW THE HOUSE GOES AHEAD AND VOTES TO REPEAL.

DO THEY SEND THIS BILL OVER TO THE SENATE, IS WHAT THE SENATE'S WORKING ON CONTINUE TO GO?

YOU GOT TO HAVE THREE READS THREE DAYS WORTH OF READING.

SECOND READ TODAY IN THE SENATE, CORRECT?

>> RIGHT.

THE SENATE HAD A SECOND READ ON ITS VERSION WHICH IS AN IDENTICAL VERSION TO THE BILL SPONSORED BY STEPHANIE STAHL HAMILTON THAT PASSED IN THE HOUSE TODAY.

BUT THE WAY THE LEGISLATURE WORKS IS BILLS HAVE TO PASS IN BOTH CHAMBERS.

THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE OR THE HOUSE THEN THE SENATE.

BECAUSE THESE BILLS ARE IDENTICAL, THERE'S A MECHANISM THAT THE SENATE COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE NEXT WEEK TO SAY, OK, WE HAVE THIS BILL THAT'S IDENTICAL TO THE ONE THE HOUSE JUST PASSED A WEEK AGO, WE'RE GOING TO SUBSTITUTE IN THE HOUSE BILL AND TAKE A FINAL VOTE ON THAT HOUSE BILL.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION THAT FOLKS IN FAVOR OF REPEAL ARE GOING TO BE PUSHING TO MAKE NEXT WEDNESDAY.

THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO SUB IN THE STAHL HAMILTON BILL FROM THE HOUSE, TAKE VOTE ON THAT, AND THEN THEY SEND IT BACK TO THE HOUSE AND THE HOUSE WOULD SEND IT TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WHERE SHE'S PROMISED TO SIGN IT.

>> YEAH, SO FASCINATING HERE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF ALL THIS.

WE'LL SEE DOWN THE LINE.

>> THERE'S NO GUARANTEE AGAIN THAT THE SENATE WILL TAKE ACTION NEXT WEEK.

>> YES, YES.

>> THAT IS GOING TO LIKELY TAKE A SIMILAR MOTION FIRST TO ROLL THE SENATE PRESIDENT AS REPUBLICANS VOTED TO ROLL HOUSE SPEAKER BEN TOMA OVER HIS OBJECTIONS TODAY.

>> WE SHOULD MENTION IT'S NEXT WEEK BECAUSE THE SENATE HAS DECIDED AND THE HOUSE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MEET ONCE A WEEK BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ALL THAT MUCH TO DO.

WELL, I GUESS IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT TO DO NOW.

>> THEY HAD A LOT OF THEIR PLATE AFTER THE SUPREME COURT RULING.

>> REAL QUICKLY.

EVEN IF THIS PASSES EVEN IF THE GOVERNOR SIGNS IT'S NOT EMERGENCY HERE SO IT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY YOU GOT TO WAIT 90 DAY FORCE THIS THING TO BE EFFECTIVE.

>> NOT JUST 90 DAYS IT WOULD BE 90 DAYS AFTER THE LEGISLATURE CONVENES WHICH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO PASS A SPENDING PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

SO THERE IS STILL A SITUATION WHERE, I BELIEVE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SAID THE 1864 BAN WOULD TAKE EFFECT IN EARLY JUNE, THAT IS LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THIS REPEAL TAKES EFFECT AGAIN 90 DAYS AFTER LAWMAKERS GAVEL OUT FOR THE YEAR.

>> MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY SLOW ROLLING GOES ON THERE AT THE CAPITAL TO MAKE SURE THIS TAKES EFFECT.

BEN GILES THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Announcer: NEXT TIME AT A SCARECROW FESTIVAL A WOMAN IS FOUND MURDERED.

A REPORTER COVERING THE FESTIVAL HAS A HISTORY WITH JAMIE.

>> AND BARNABY DOESN'T WANT HER ANYWHERE NEAR THE CASE.

>> I WANT YOU TO TRACK DOWN YOUR GIRLFRIEND AND SORT THIS OUT.

>> SORT IT OUT.

"MID-SUMMER MURDERS."

>>> LAST WEEK WE HEARD FROM A GROUP GATHERING YOU SIGNATURES TO PUT ABORTION RIGHTS ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

TONIGHT WE HEAR FROM A GROUP CALLED IT GOES TOO FAR WHICH IS OPPOSED TO THAT INITIATIVE EFFORT.

JOINING US NOW IS JOANNA DE LA CRUZ WITH IT GOES TOO FAR.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU, FOR HAVING ME.

IT GOES TOO FAR WHY THAT TITLE?

>> BECAUSE THIS AMENDMENT SNRL GOES TOO FAR.

WHERE OUR CAMPAIGN IS MADE UP OF INDIVIDUALS FROM ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, PRO-LIFE INDIVIDUALSLE, PRO-CHOICE INDIVIDUALS AND WE HAVE ALL COME TOGETHER TO SAY WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BELIEFS ON WHERE THE LIMITS ON ABORTION SHOULD BE BUT WE ALL BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME COMMON SENSE LIMITS.

THIS AMENDMENT SIMPLY HAS NONE IT COULDN'T BE MORE EXTREME IN EXPANDING ABORTION.

HERE'S SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THAT A DOCTOR SHOULD BE A REQUIRED PART OF THE ABORTION PROCESS.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT PARENTS SHOULD BE IN THE KNOW, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME LIMIT BASED ON FETAL DEVELOPMENT.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT SAFETY STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS SHOULD BE IN PLACE TO PROTECT WOMEN THEN THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT FOR YOU.

>> THE PROPONENTS SAY THAT IT PROTECTS PREGNANT PATIENTS IN THE STATE.

IT PROTECTS THOSE PATIENTS.

ARE THEY WRONG?

>> THEY ARE.

IN FACT, IT DOES EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

UNDER THIS AMENDMENT IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LONG-STANDING SAFETY PRECAUTIONS THAT PROTECT THE HEALTH OF WOMEN AND GIRLS TO STAND.

ONE OF THOSE IS THE REQUIRED MEDICAL DOCTOR.

ACTUALLY, IF YOU READ THE AMENDMENT YOU WILL NOT FIND THE WORD DOCTOR OR PHYSICIAN ANYWHERE IN THIS AMENDMENT.

IN FACT, IN SECTION 382 IT CHANGES IT TO HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL WHICH UNDER ARIZONA LAW ACTUALLY REFERS TO A WHOLE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS FROM CHIROPRACTORS TO ACUPUNCTURESIST TO PHYSICAL THERAPIST TO YOUR DAUGHTER'S SCHOOL NURSE.

IT'S QUITE A BROAD TERM.

THE MEDICAL DOCTOR SUCH A CRITICAL PART OF THE DOCTOR PATIENT RELATIONSHIP WOULD NO LONGER BE REQUIRED.

>> SO AS FAR AS VIABILITY THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A DETERMINING POINT HERE.

THEY ARE SAYING THAT VIABILITY IS DETERMINED BY MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND BY THE PREGNANT WOMAN.

YOU SAY -- HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> SO THAT'S A COMMON MISCONCEPTION AND A COMMON WAY THAT VOTERS ARE BEING DECEIVED FRANKLY BY THE PROPONENTS OF THIS AMENDMENT.

THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY PUT IN THERE A STRAIGHT ABORTION UNTIL BIRTH THAT ARIZONA VOTERS WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.

SO THEY HAVE TRIED TO PUT IN WHAT LOOKS LIKE A LIMIT VIABILITY BUT IS IN FACT IN PRACTICE NOT A LIMIT.

THIS MENTAL HEALTH EXCEPTION THIS HEALTH EXCEPTION WE KNOW BASED ON OVER 50 YEARS OF PRECEDENT STARTING WITH THE RULING IN 1973, IT'S QUITE LIBERALLY CONSTRUED TO MEAN ANYTHING FROM A FINANCIAL SITUATION, TO THE AGE OF THE MOTHER, TO SIMPLY EXPERIENCING STRESS.

SO REALLY IT'S A RUBBER STAMP FOR ANYTHING THAT THE PROVIDER IN THIS CASE NOT EVEN NECESSARILY A MEDICAL DOCTOR WANTS IT TO BE.

>> SO WHEN THEY SAY THAT IT'S DETERMINED BY USING ACCEPTED CLINICAL STANDARDS AND EVIDENCE-BASED MEDICINE YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT ENOUGH?

>> WE'RE SAYING ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT THIS HAVE SAID THIS IS TOO VAGUE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AND THAT SIMPLY GOING TO ALLOW A RUBBER STAMP FOR ABORTIONS UP UNTIL BIRTH.

IT'S VAGUE LANGUAGE.

>> AFTER VIABILITY, IT CALLS FOR OPTIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND THE MEDICAL AND -- PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH.

SHOULD THOSE OPTIONS NOT BE THERE.

>> WHAT SHOULD HAPPENING IS VOTERS SHOULD BE TOLD THE FULL FACTS ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT.

IN PRACTICE UNDER THIS AMENDMENT ABORTION WOULD BE ALLOWED ALL THE WAY UNTIL BIRTH WITH SIMPLY A RUBBER STAMP FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO MAY NOT BE A MEDICAL DOCTOR.

THAT'S WHAT VOTERS NEED TO KNOW AND FRANKLY THEY'RE NOT BEING TOLD AND I THINK IT'S DISRESPECTFUL TO ARIZONA VOTERS TO ASK THEM TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION THAT WOULD BE ALMOST PERMANENT AND THAT WOULD HAVE LONG CONSEQUENCES FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS FOR YEARS TO COME AND NOT RESPECT THEM ENOUGH TO GIVE THEM THOSE FACTS.

ARIZONA WOMEN DESERVE BETTER IT.

>> SEEMS LIKE A STICKING POINT HERE AS MEDICAL HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALLESS.

YOU'RE NOT SEEING THEM THERE THEY ARE SEEING THEM THERE, CORRECT?

>> ACTUALLY ARIZONA LAW DEFINES THAT TERM.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TERM TREATING HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL IN ARIZONA LAW ALL THOSE INDIVIDUALS I MENTIONED CHIROPRACTORS, PODIATRISTS, THOSE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COVERED UNDER THAT TERM AND PROPONENTS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT TERM MEANT WHEN THEY DRAFTED THIS AMENDMENT.

>> .

>> THE IDEA THAT FAMILIES AND MEDICAL PROVIDERS AND NOT POLITICIANS SHOULD DECIDE ON REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH THAT IS ALSO A MAJOR FACTOR AS FAR AS THIS INITIATIVE IS CONCERNED.

IS THAT -- >> VOTERS SHOULD DECIDE ON THESE ISSUES BASED ON HAVING ALL OF THE FACTS IN FRONTS OF THEM.

AS ARIZONANS WE THINK FOR OURSELVES, WE'RE INDEPENDENT THINKERS WE LIKE TO BE RESPECTED ENOUGH TO BE GIVEN THE INFORMATION.

THE NUMBER OF WAYS THAT PROPONENTS ARE DECEIVING VOTERS SIMPLY GOES ON AND ONE.

ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE IS MISCARRIAGE CARE.

THEY ARE SCARING WOMEN TELLING THEM WITHOUT THIS AMENDMENT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET MISCARRIAGE CARE THAT'S SIMPLY FALSE.

WOMEN CAN GET MISCARRIAGE CARE TODAY.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT TOMORROW.

AND BY CONFLATING MISCARRIAGE CARE WITH ABORTION THAT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DECEIVE ARIZONA VOTERS WHO IF THEY WERE HONEST, WOULD JUST NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AMENDMENT.

>> DO YOU SUPPORT THE LEGISLATURE SENDING REFERRALS TO PUT MORE THINGS ON THE BALLOT?

BECAUSE THE LINE OF THINKING IS THE MORE THINGS YOU PUT ON THE BALLOT THE MORE CONFUSED THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IDEA FROM LAWMAKERS?

>> WELL, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LOT SAID PUBLICLY ABOUT WHAT THEY MAY AND MAY NOT DO.

AGAIN OUR COALITION IS MADE UP OF PEOPLE OF VARYING VIEWS ON WHERE LIMITS SHOULD BE.

WE'RE FOCUSED ON THIS AMENDMENT AND THAT THIS AMENDMENT GOES TOO FAR WE WILL CONTINUE EDUCATING VOTERS ABOUT THAT ALL THE WAY UP ACROSS NOVEMBER.

>> DID THE STATE SUPREME COURT'S RULING HOW DID IT AFFECT YOUR OPERATIONS.

I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD BE CONCERNED?

>> IT'S ACTUALLY GIVEN US EVEN MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO EDUCATE VOTERS.

VOTERS ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS THEY'RE WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS INITIATIVE WE'RE THERE TO EDUCATE THEM AND SHOW THEM THE LANGUAGE AND SAY HEY, THIS GOES TOO FAR.

>> JOANNA DE LA CRUZ IT GOES TOO FAR WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON THE PROGRAM AND HEARD YOUR THOUGHTS.

THANKS FOR JOINING ME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>>> THE SUPREME COURT WEIGHS WHETHER FEDERAL PROTECTION FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE OVERRIDES STATE ABORTION BANS THAT'S COMING UP AT 6:00 ON ARIZONA PBS.

>> FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE IS CREDITED WITH CREATING MODERN NURSING WITH HER THEORIES ON HYGIENE AND LIVING STANDARDS.

SHE'S ALSO KNOWN FOR REDUCING MORTALITY RATES AS SHE TRAINED NURSES IN CRIMEAN WAR.

MELISSA PRITCHARD HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ON THE LIFE OF FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE.

THE BOOK IS TITLED "FLIGHT OF THE WILD SWAN."

WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

YOU WILL BE IN TEMPE ON MONDAY APRIL 29TH, 7:00 A.M. ONE OF YOUR OLD -- 7:00 P.M., ONE OF YOUR OLD HAUNTS?

>> YES.

>> WHO IS FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE.

>> FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE WAS BORN IN 1820 AT THE HEIGHT OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE.

SHE WAS CONTEMPORARY WITH QUEEN VICTORIA THEY WERE ABOUT THE SAME AGE AND SHE WAS BORN INTO AN ELITE FAMILY AND HAD AN EXPERIENCE AT THE AGE OF 16 WHERE SHE FELT A VOICE CALLED TO HER.

SHE THOUGHT IT WAS GOD, ASKING HER TO SERVE THE SUFFERING OF THE WORLD, TO SERVE THE SUFFERING PEOPLE OF THE WORLD.

IT WAS A MYSTICAL EXPERIENCE.

EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION OF IT I THINK SHE PROBABLY DID HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT THANK CHAD HER ENTIRE LIFE.

SHE HAD ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN NURSING EVEN AS A CHILD IN COLLECTIONS AND NUMBERS AND THE EMBRYONIC FLORENCE WAS THERE AS A CHILD BUT THIS VOICE THAT SHE HEARD SOMETHING LIKE JOAN OF ARC OR SOMETHING CHANGED HER WHOLE LIFE SHE DECIDED SHE WANTED TO BE A NURSE WHICH WAS ABOUT THE MOST DISRUPTABLE THING YOU ASK TO BE IN VICTORIAN ENGLAND.

>> EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT.

>> NURSING AT THAT POINT IN HER LIFE MID-19th CENTURY A NURSE CAME FROM THE LOWER CLASSES.

SOMEONE WHO COULD A WOMAN WHO COULD GET NO OTHER OCCUPATION.

A NURSE WAS CONSIDERED SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN AN ACTRESS, BUT ONLY A HALF CUT ABOVE BEING A PROSTITUTE.

IT WAS A TERRIBLE CHARLES DICKENS NARRATED AS A GINNED SOOLED WOMAN MUTTERING JUST MORALLY COMPROMISED A HORRIBLE THING YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO BE.

SO FLORENCE GOES TO HER PARENTS WHO WANT HER TO HAVE CHILDREN PARTICULARLY A SON SO THAT EVERYONE CAN KEEP THEIR WEALTH AND THEIR LAND.

SAID I WANT TO BE A NURSE.

THERE IS NOTHING WORSE YOU COULD SAY YOU WANTED TO BE.

SO SHE HAD TO OVERCOME SO MANY OBJECTIONS BEGINNING WITH HER FAMILY AND MOVING ONTO THE PATRIARCHY.

>> YEAH, BUT, WE DON'T THINK OF NURSING LIKE THAT ANYMORE AND IN GREAT DEAL WE DON'T BECAUSE OF HER.

>> BECAUSE OF FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE.

SHE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR, SHE FOUNDED THE FIRST SCHOOL OF TRAINING FOR NURSES IN THE WORLD IN 1860 AT ST. THOMAS HOSPITAL.

WHERE IT BECAME A SECONDUAL ARRESTIZED PROFESSIONAL RESPECTED AND -- SECULARIZED, AND PROFESSIONALIZED AND NURSES WORE UNIFORMS AND SHE CHANGED THE ENTIRE FACE OF NURSING.

>> SHE DID SO WITH A SCIENTIFIC MIND-SET AND YET AS YOU MENTIONED SHE WAS A VISIONARY, SHE WAS KIND OF A MISEK.

I WAS GOING TO ASK HOW COME YOU WROTE ABOUT FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE HOW SOME EVERYONE DOESN'T WRITE ABOUT HERE?

>> I KNOW.

WHEN I HAD THE DECISION TO WRITE ABOUT HER WHEN I WAS WITH THE FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE MUSEUM AT ST. THOMAS HOSPITAL IN 2013.

I WAS THERE DOING SOMETHING ELSE THEN I WENT TO THE MUSEUM AND I JUST WAS OVERCOME BY HER LIFE AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS THERE.

I JUST STOOD THERE I SAID I'M GOING TO WRITE A NOVEMBER 000 MILLION HER I BOUGHT ALL THE BOOKS I BOUGHT EVERYTHING SHORT OF THE PAPER DOLLS AND THE COLORING BOOKS AND I TOOK THEM ALL TO ARIZONA AND I DIDN'T GET TO THEM FOR ANOTHER SIX YEARS.

THE MOREDY RESEARCH ON FLORENCE, THE MORE IN AWE OF HER I BECAME AND THE SHE'S A SUPREMELY INSPIRATIONAL FIGURE.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE WORD NOVEL.

NOW IS THIS, THIS IS A HISTORICAL NOVEL, IS A BIOGRAPHY, SOMEWHAT IN BETWEEN A COLLECTION OF LETTERS.

WHAT IS THIS?

>> IT'S CALLED A HISTORICAL BIOGRAPHY THEY LABEL IT THAT OR SOMETIMES LABEL IT HISTORICAL FICTION.

I USE SOME OF HER LETTERS YOU KNOW SOME OF HER CORRESPONDENCE BUT ALSO I MADE UP A LOT OF MY OWN LETTERS.

SO IT'S REALLY A MOSTLY FICTION I WOULD SAY PRIMARILY FICTION BUT BASED ON FACT.

I REALLY WANTED IT TO BE BASED ON FACT.

>> DID YOU FEEL HER WITH YOU AS WROTE?

>> SOMETIMES.

[LAUGHTER] SOMETIMES.

BUT YES, ALL OF A SUDDEN I WOULD SORT OF FEEL HER GUIDING ME TOWARDS SOMETHING.

DON'T MISS THIS SCENE OR THAT CHARACTER.

THIS PAST SEPTEMBER, 2023, I ACTUALLY WENT TO ISTANBUL AND I VISITED THE MUSEUM WHERE HER HOSPITAL HAD BEEN.

SO I ACTUALLY GOT TO SEE THE QUARTERS WHERE SHE AND HER 38 NURSES WORKED AND LIVED.

I REALLY DID FEEL HER PRESENCE THERE.

I DIDN'T EXPECT TO.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD -- >> YEAH.

>> I REALLY AT ONE POINT AM STANDING IN FRONT OF HER DESK AND HER CHAIR I JUST -- I FELT A PHYSICAL FORCE ALMOST.

>> IN THAT RESPECT, DID IMMERSING YOURSELF INTO HER LIFE DID THAT CHANGE YOUR LIFE?

>> IT DID.

IT REALLY DID.

AT FIRST I WENT THROUGH A PERIOD OF GETTING VERY EXCITED ABOUT WRITING ABOUT HER THEN I BECAME INTIMIDATED LIKE WHAT WAS I THINKING.

[LAUGHTER] WHAT IN THE WORLD WAS I THINKING YOU COULD SPEND YOUR LIFE STUDYING FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE AND PEOPLE V BIOGRAPHERS.

BUT I JUST KEPT GOING I FELT COMPELLED.

I FELT CALLED TO WRITE THIS BOOK AND I, AS I MADE MY WAY THROUGH IT, I BECAME MORE AND MORE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HER, WITH HER COURAGE, HER FEARLESSNESS, HER WILLING TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT, YOU KNOW.

>> AND WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T MENTION THE PATRIARCHY BUT SHE WAS DEALING IN A VERY DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WE'RE LIVING IN RIGHT NOW?

>> YES, HE TO KEEP MOVING INTO THAT WORLD -- YES, I HAD TO KEEP MOVING INTO THAT WORLD.

SO WHEN SHE WENT TO THE CRIMEAN WAR IN 1854, WITH 38 NURSES, WHEN SHE GOT THERE SHE WAS NOT WELCOMED.

BRITISH WOMEN HAD NEVER SERVED AS NURSES IN WARTIME.

THEY WERE NEVER FRENCH HAD SOME WOMEN NURSES BUT NEVER.

SO SHE WAS UP AGAINST THAT OBSTACLE, TOO.

THEY CALLED HER THE BIRD.

THEY DIDN'T WANT HER THERE UNTIL THEY SHE PERSISTED SHE WAS INCREDIBLY PERSISTENT DETERMINED AND MORE BRILLIANT THAN MANY OF THEM.

SHE GOT THE WHOLE HOSPITAL UP AND RUNNING.

>> THUS THE FLIGHT OF THE WILD SWAN.

MELISSA PRITCHARD THANK YOU SO MUCH.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IT'S GOOD STAY AGAIN.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, TOO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>> IT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.