- Hi, I'm Mickey.

- And I'm Ryan.

- And this is "Hiseerie."

- And this is "Hiseerie."

(intense music begins) - [Mickey] We grew up watching paranormal investigators like Zak Bagans on "Ghost Adventures," Ryan and Shane on "BuzzFeed Unsolved" and "Ghost Files," and Sam and Colby on YouTube.

The semi-casual investigations, people just trying to connect with those who are no longer around, or something we just can't understand, and diving deep into true-crime cases.

All throughout history, different cultures have believed in the paranormal.

Divine gods, spirits, aliens, shaman, and witchcraft, just to name a few.

Supernatural occurrences are reported all over the world and have become ingrained into pop culture.

Since the beginning of humanity, people have been questioning the bigger picture of existence.

What's really out there?

Aliens?

Ghosts?

Bigfoot?

Well, we wanna try it ourselves in our own backyard, so come with us and explore the paranormal and macabre side of the great Midwest.

We're from Pioneer PBS in Granite Falls, Minnesota, and share a love for all things paranormal and the more macabre side of history.

- On this season's two-part finale, we are doing a first 48-hour lockdown for us.

- Over the course of the 48 hours, we were in Malvern Manor in Malvern, Iowa, and we explored every room and were even joined by other paranormal investigators and a paranormal inventor.

If you enjoy this episode, be sure to check out our Patreon at Patreon.com/Hiseerie where you can find behind-the-scenes and full uncut sessions.

(intense music continues) - Welcome to part two of our investigation to Malvern Manor.

- First and foremost, this episode does include a trigger warning.

Malvern has a very difficult past, and so we'll be touching on the topics of abuse, mental illness, suicide, and sexual assault.

(dramatic music continues) In the last episode, we covered the history of Malvern Manor, got to chat and take a tour with Josh Heard, and were joined by Ivy from the Farrar Elementary School to start our investigation in Inez's room.

- The second night of our lockdown, we were joined by paranormal inventor Paul Kocsis as well as Anna and Ivy from Farrar Elementary, and Stephanie, the resident medium for Farrar Elementary.

- Our friends from Farrar arrived first, and we took some time to acquaint ourselves with the spirits for the night in the greeting room, using a dead bell.

After some back and forth communication, the spirits were kind enough to let us know when Paul arrived.

- It should be noted that Paul is very well known by these Malvern spirits, as well as a friend to most of the occupants there.

(intense music continues) (bell chimes) - Hello?

Our friend, Ryan.

- Heard the name Paul.

- That was fast.

- [Mickey] Is Paul here?

- [Stephanie] He is.

I'm on the left.

- I'm coming.

- [Stephanie] Okay, I was just gonna say (bell dings) I could blindfold too.

- Near.

- [Stephanie] And listen to what he's listening to.

- [Mickey] There you go.

- I'll Just close my eyes and turn this way.

(bell dings) - [Ivy] There you go, can you hear it?

- [Anna] More to the stories.

- I was hearing it.

(bell dings) - [Ivy] Nice.

(bell dings) I dunno if that was the front door.

- What?

- Or if those were footsteps upstairs.

- [Stephanie] The man.

- People.

- Oh, is Paul here?

I thought we were waiting for someone named Paul.

- [Anna] That's why it said the name Paul.

(bell dings) (bell dings repeatedly) Are you in this room with us?

- Hopefully.

- Are you standing in the hallway?

- Now.

- I heard something.

- [Mickey] I think Paul's here.

Hello?

- [Stephanie] He just said Paul again.

Hello?

- Paul?

- [Paul] Yeah?

- Oh, amazing.

(group laughs) Hi, come on, we're in here.

I just wanted to make sure it was a real person.

(Mickey laughs) - [Stephanie] That honestly scared the (beeps) out of me.

- [Mickey] Sorry.

(bell dings) We're in this big room.

- [Anna] Yeah, we're over here.

- [Mickey] Hello.

- [Paul] Hello.

- [Mickey] So we were doing Estes method and it kept on saying Paul.

- [Paul] Oh gosh.

- [Mickey] It kept on saying Paul and like here, now.

- [Stephanie] More to the stories.

- [Paul] No way!

- [Mickey] Yeah, so that's why we were like, Paul?

(Mickey and Paul laugh) - [Paul] Yeah.

- [Mickey] We can all come out and meet you.

- [Anna] Yeah.

- [Mickey] It's really dark back here.

(Anna laughs) - Paul is currently working on a way to record and hear below the sound floor in real time.

- One of the most popular pieces of evidence in a paranormal investigation are EVPs.

- The acronym EVP stands for electronic voice phenomena, and it's basically the recording of voices or sounds that weren't registered by the human ear during the recording.

Then there's the idea of the noise floor, and the noise floor is essentially the accumulation of all sound to that minimum white noise.

But the idea that we're looking at is that there's actually sound under that noise floor that we aren't consciously aware of, and that's what goes into EVPs.

- Paul believes that EVPs are present under this noise floor.

He has also created a device that records and plays it back in real time.

- Yeah, because the most frustrating part of EVPs in investigations is that you can't listen to it in the moment.

You have to have the conversation, or just talk into an empty room, and then hope that there's things talking back to you, but you don't actually know what they're saying.

So Paul's goal is to solve this problem and have meaningful communication.

(intense music continues) - I have a theory that there is a lot more talking down in the noise floor than we've ever known has existed.

And so this is version two.

I had a version one, but this is version two.

What this device does is it listens down at the noise floor.

And it develops a pattern.

It looks and tries to find a pattern of the noise floor.

And when that pattern is broken, what it will do is it will start committing to memory the audio until it stops, or until a human, 'cause then it knows we're really loud.

(Mickey laughs) but then what it will do is it will capture, write it to an SD card, and do a little bit of processing, and then play it back for us in real time.

Yeah, and I do think it's sound.

I mean, I don't know.

This is all theory, right?

- [Mickey] Sure, yeah.

- But I mean, through the years, when we've seen people with recorders and such, it's like, how are they doing that?

How are they getting that on there, right?

Is it electronic?

Is it magnetic?

Are they messing with the circuitry or whatever?

And I mean, I don't know, but after doing all this work, I think indeed it's sound.

Originally, I mean, how many times have we been out and like, you get an EVP and you get home and you're like, God, yeah, I wish I would've known while I was there, right?

So initially that was also kind of my, I want to hear 'em while we're here.

I wanna hear 'em in real time.

And what's been disappointing is sometimes, and you can imagine a device that is designed and predicated on the notion that there are voices buried down so low in that noise flow that we've never known they existed.

It's a device that's tough to use, and impossible, almost, to use in large crowds.

We've had events and stuff, and as much as we can, okay folks, so this is what it's trying to do, so we gotta be real quiet, right?

Just this kind of stuff.

This stuff sounds thunderous to this.

- [Mickey] Oh, I'm sure.

- And so if there's all kinds of movement and stuff, I mean that sound, it's going to be geometrically larger than the sound we're trying to pick up.

So that hurts, that can hurt.

When I was there before they called me an effing jerk off and to get the hell out.

(Mickey laughs) So then somebody didn't like, but I had this thing, no, I had the other one in there, and there was barking dogs and birds, and I thought, I'm gonna turn this thing on.

I've got three clips.

Two of 'em were just barking dogs, distant barking dogs.

I'm asking a question now on this one, this one, listen, they say, "You're close to being an [Beeps]."

Like.

(Anna and Mickey laugh) - [Mickey] At least they're honest.

- [Paul] Yeah, I mean.

- [Disembodied Voice] You're close to being an [Beep].

(Mickey laughs) - [Mickey] That's awesome!

What the [Beep]?

- So does it come through as like females and males?

- [Paul] Oh yeah.

- Can you tell the difference?

Okay, cool.

- [Paul] And the other cool thing about it, since they are voices, if they have an accent, you hear it.

- We decided that the best room to try out this device would be Hank's room.

Let it be known, Hank has a very colorful vocabulary and is not the biggest fan of women.

And as our group was primarily women, we did have to censor a good amount of our communication.

So fair warning.

(intense music continues) - Guys, this is what we call Hank's room, or Henry's room, and I always say it just kind of depends on the day and what he wants to be called.

He is your very stereotypical grumpy old man.

So he would like sit out on the front porch and throw rocks at children and things like that.

So he is just kind of a butthead.

I also kind of aspire to be this man, but we also know that he has a fairly strong dislike for females.

He doesn't necessarily enjoy the company of ladies, and will call them pretty much any vulgar name you can imagine.

He has a very extensive vocabulary, so have fun with that.

Yeah, yeah, have fun with that.

Now I will also say that it's interesting because again, everything is how we found it, including the clothing items in the dresser drawers, which do seem to be the catalyst for the activity.

Messing with the clothes, folding the clothes, things like that.

Ladies, especially, sometimes even putting on the clothes is enough to elicit a response, right?

Guys, again.

- [Mickey] Well, I know what we're doing.

Challenging someone.

- [Anna] Yeah.

- Yeah.

And that's just it, but again, you're gonna hear me say, "Oh, everything is how we found it," which is true.

Do not feel like you're walking around a museum, okay?

So if you wanted to sit in a wheelchair, do it.

If you wanna lie in a bed, it's gross, but do it.

- [Mickey] Think I'll pass on that one.

- But if it's going to get and elicit a response, be my guests.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's why you're here, so go for it.

- [Paul] When it says run, we can ask and talk and that.

Once you start seeing numbers, then it's like, oh, it's capturing.

So just letting you know that.

- Okay.

- [Paul] That's pretty much it.

So it's gonna run through just a few things, but in just a few seconds it'll be done.

And so like whoever wants to ask, go for it.

- Well, you got four of us in here.

Oh, hold on, it says.

- [Paul] It's okay, she can, you can go ahead.

- You got four of us in here.

Two of 'em have your shirts in front of 'em.

I think they were gonna put 'em on.

How do you feel about that?

(dramatic music continues) - [Disembodied Voice] Listen mother (beeps) don't touch my shirt.

- Something about (beeps) - Listen, mother (beeps).

- [Disembodied Voice] Listen mother (beeps).

- [Ryan] Shit.

(Ryan laughs) - Dude, you do hear that so well on the first try.

She gets it every time.

- [Ivy] She's good at the Estes method too.

- Yeah, that's, yeah.

- Paul was kind enough to go through the recordings after we wrapped up our investigation and clean them up so we could hear the audio even clearer.

- [Paul] Okay, this next clip, let's play what was said.

Here we go.

- You got four of us in here.

Two of 'em have your shirts in front of 'em.

I think they were gonna put them on.

How do you feel about that?

- [Paul] Okay, so I'm sure you remember that question.

And I think it was Stephanie, you nailed it.

Nice job.

Because clearly what I'm hearing here is, "Listen mother (beeps)."

Oh boy, let's play it.

Here we go.

- [Disembodied Voice] Listen mother (beeps).

- [Paul] Yeah, it sounds pissed, right?

"Listen mother (beeps)."

Here we go.

- [Disembodied Voice] Listen mother (beeps).

- [Paul] Yeah, let's play that from the rerecord.

Here we go.

- [Disembodied Voice] Listen mother (beeps).

- [Paul] Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.

And you know, we heard that in real time.

Nice job Stephanie and others who picked that out.

But I think clearly we were very correct.

It was listen mother (beeps).

Oh boy.

All right, let's keep going, next clip.

(intense music continues) - [Ryan] We also tried out the box in the shadow man's hallway.

(intense music continues) - [Paul] We would sure like to know who might be with us in this hallway.

Would somebody care to tell us?

(dramatic music continues) (dramatic music continues) (Disembodied voice garbles) - I will introduce myself.

At the very end.

(disembodied voice warbles) - [Paul] From the hallway, let's play what was said, here we go.

We would sure like to know who might be with us in this hallway.

Would somebody care to tell us?

Okay, so you know, trying to elicit maybe them telling us who they are, and what I can hear in this is, "He must be drunk."

See what you think.

Here we go, "He must be drunk."

- [Disembodied Voice] He must be drunk.

- [Paul] He must be drunk.

- [Disembodied Voice] He must be drunk.

- [Paul] Yeah, you hear that?

Let's play that from the rerecord.

Here we go.

- [Disembodied Voice] He must be drunk.

- Yeah.

I mean, what do they mean by that?

He must be drunk if he thinks that we're actually going to say who we are?

I don't know.

- During our time at Malvern, we set up audio and visual recording devices all around to see if there's anything going on when we weren't present.

And we did get lots of odd camera focusing and moving, and then some taps here and there.

But the biggest things that happened were actually interactions that we just randomly caught on camera.

- All these things seemed to have happened in the shadow man hallway.

First we heard an actual audible voice, and we both heard it in real time as well as the microphones picking it up, too.

(dramatic music continues) - [Mickey] One, two.

One, two, three, four, five, six.

- [Ryan] Well this one's a bathroom.

- [Disembodied Voice] Come here.

Come here.

- [Ryan] Did you hear that?

What do you think it said?

- [Mickey] I don't know.

- [Ryan] I heard come here.

- [Mickey] No.

No.

Was it down the hall?

- [Ryan] I don't know.

- Then, as I was going through the footage later, I actually realized that, while I was speaking and we were talking about where we should go next in the property, something just directly talks over me and I think it's saying, "Wait."

You can be the judge.

Upstairs.

- [Ryan] Is that what it was?

- [Mickey] Yeah.

He hates women.

But like we don't have, I don't think we have to do.

- [Disembodied Voice] Wait.

- [Mickey] Any of the other ones.

To do any of the other ones.

- [Disembodied Voice] Wait.

- [Mickey] Here, definitely not doing that one.

- [Ryan] Agreed.

I just wanted to see what else was in here.

- [Mickey] Yeah.

Now the biggest thing that actually happened to us, probably in the whole investigation, but specifically in the shadow man area, is when we were taking out the batteries and SD cards and changing them out for the cameras, we heard an absolutely guttural scream.

Now the screen came from over by Rebecca's room, and during our tour, Josh actually shared a little bit of her story with us.

And it really goes to show how important it is to remember that these are real people with real memories that are in this location.

- This is one of the more fascinating, for sure.

It's also one of the more sensitive stories that we have here.

This is Rebecca's room.

Now Rebecca did not have a very good time while she was here.

Rebecca was only in her mid thirties, so she's quite young.

But she was dropped off here by her husband, which apparently was something you could just do for reasons as trivial as, oh, she reads too much, right?

Things like that.

Regardless, she obviously thought, "My husband no longer loves me, he doesn't find me attractive."

This became quite the obsession for her.

But she would stand at the sink over here, looking into this mirror that's just above it, and she would pluck the hair out of her head, like one by one by one, which is called like trichotillomania, I believe is the actual term for it.

Which is also on the OCD spectrum of things, right?

And it's very common.

Because of her obsessive types of behaviors that she was presenting, she was also medicated.

Some people argue, oh, she was heavily medicated.

I can't really speak to that.

I'm not a doctor, I have no idea.

What I do know is that she did not respond well to meds, right?

She stops eating, she stops drinking.

I mean things like that.

What fascinates me the most is that female investigators seem to have the most luck in her room.

Tugging on your clothes, playing with your hair.

Certainly nothing violent or anything like that.

But even the introduction of a male into the room can flatline the activity.

I think it's just as simple as she does not trust men.

Probably rightfully so, if we're being honest.

But she's absolutely one of my favorites, like by far.

- In my heart of hearts, I believe that the scream, and probably the woman asking for us to wait was Rebecca.

Obviously we'll never know, and there's no way to prove it.

But it just felt like a connection there.

And that scream was so desperate that I just remember the instantaneous feeling of despair.

Like it wasn't even fear was the initial reaction, it was just so devastating.

And even now, like whenever I think about it, it's just like I want to cry.

Like I can just feel like my shoulders slump, and it just feels so devastating.

- Yeah, it was a very depressing scream.

Immediately made you sad, questioned where it could be coming from, what could have happened.

But it wasn't a, I'm in pain scream.

It wasn't anything like that.

It was despair, it was depression.

It was, I have no control of what is going on or what's happening to me.

And it immediately just, it's like a soul crushing, and it will stick with you if you hear something like that, I guarantee.

- Yeah, and with Rebecca's story and what she went through, it does make sense and it would fit her narrative.

We are not the only investigators to hear a scream from that area.

We did not know that at the time.

Unfortunately, and I mean like really unfortunately, because it was right when we were changing out the batteries and the SD cards and the cameras, it did not get captured on any recording device, which is probably the most difficult thing that I've dealt with since we started filming.

Like that's the one where it's like, I am so upset that we don't have it on camera.

Like it was just like, it was so impactful to, I mean I can't speak for Ryan, but it was very impactful to me, and I think it was very impactful to him.

And the fact that we like have to just tell people it, and we can't show it, is like really frustrating.

But I also think that it was so like depressing that I don't necessarily want people to have to listen to it either.

Like, I don't wanna show people and be like, you wanna feel like absolute awful emotions?

There you go.

- Yeah, but I think people also understand how serious we are when they see our expression talking about this.

- Mhm.

- It wasn't fun.

- No.

(intense music continues) The last thing that we really need to talk about is a Polaroid photo that we captured.

So at a certain point in the night, it just suddenly felt like we were no longer welcome.

It felt like bedtime, like curfew, like we need to go.

So we were like, all right, we'll go to sleep.

Like you guys seem to go to sleep, we'll go to sleep.

So we went upstairs, put down an audio and video camera, and then headed down the steps into the front lobby.

And I don't know what came over me, but I had to take a photo.

Like I absolutely had to.

And so I took a Polaroid camera, and there's a doorway right by the staircase, and I reached my hand through the doorway without putting my body that way, and just snapped a photo.

And like the instant that I hit that button, absolute change.

And like everything just felt so violent and aggressive and like scary.

And then you could just hear footsteps running down the staircase.

I freaked out, turned around, ran, directly into Ryan, mind you, and just kept going, because you could hear the footsteps following my like path.

Like someone was chasing me.

Freaked out.

Needless to say, photo was developed, 'cause it was a Polaroid, so it was instantaneous, and you can clearly see the shadow of a person running down the stairs.

Yeah.

So I think we got a picture of a ghost.

- That chased us.

It definitely chased us.

I have never felt anything like that before.

Like you said, the energy completely shifted.

- It felt like I was running for my life, like I genuinely was like, I was like, this is it.

Like I've tempted the beast, like it was over.

- And my fight or flight, I'm typically, I will stand my ground, and I'm gonna face whatever's coming at me.

Mickey wasn't a fan of my stance at that time, but I wanted to see what was chasing us, or see if there was anything, and the only thing we ever saw or caught was on the picture.

We are, I myself, I won't speak for you, did not see it with my eyes.

- No, I didn't see anything.

- But I heard it.

I could feel it in every step.

It was a pounding as it chased us down.

We were not supposed to be upstairs anymore.

- Like you could hear it and you could feel it.

Like that's the thing, is like you could feel the.

(Mickey thuds) - Yep.

- Terrifying.

Literally, that was probably the closest I've ever come to actually pooping my pants when we were filming.

(both laugh) Like I was like, there's no way I was getting out of there.

(intense music continues) - So as far as believing in the paranormal, I can safely say that I like 1000% believe in the paranormal.

There is certainly something that is bigger than us that is happening at all times.

And it's funny because how dismissive we can be.

Oh, that was the wind.

Oh, that was the house settling.

And certainly, that can absolutely happen.

But when you walk into a building or whatever and you're hearing disembodied voices having a full on conversation, I'm sorry, but there's something that warrants a follow-up question there.

That's not the wind.

You know what I mean?

So I absolutely believe in the paranormal.

I try to be as guarded as possible when it comes to belief with that, but too many things have happened for me to not believe.

So absolutely I believe.

- And with that, part two of our investigation of Malvern Manor, and the second season of "Hiseerie" is over.

- Thank you everyone for watching.

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