WELCOME BACK TO THIS CORRESPONDENTS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD."

OUR LEAD STORIES, THE GAS TAX FREEZE IS DEAD.

TAKING SALES TAX OFF AT THE IS VERY MUCH ALIVE.

ON THE OTR PANEL, KYLE MELINN, STELLA YU, ZOE CLARK, AND CHUCK STOKES.

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AND NOW, THIS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH TIM SKUBICK.

WELL, WELCOME BACK TO STUDIO C. GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

LIVE HUMAN BEINGS.

THIS IS SOMETHING.

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE GATHERED IN HERE AROUND THIS SNAIL ANYONE TAKE A GUESS EARLY MARCH 2020.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT.

>> THINK SO?

>> YEAH.

>> MARCH?

MARCH 7, 2020.

>> VERY CLOSE.

, MAN.

MARCH 20th.

AROUND THE TABLE WAS JONATHAN OSTEEN, KATHY, REST IN PEACE, ZOE AND BILL.

>> WAS I ON IT?

>> AS I RECALL.

BEFORE THE PRECOVID SLEEP.

WELL, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

WE GOT LOTS GOING ON IN THE TOWN.

THE GAS TAX WAS LIVE IN THE MICHIGAN HOUSE AND LOOKED IFFY IN THE STATE SENATE.

>> AFTER THE MY HOUSE LAST WEEK APPROVED IMMEDIATE FREEZE ON THE STATE'S 27-CENT A GALLON TAX TAX AND UNUSUAL THING HAPPEN ON THE WAY TO THE REPUBLICAN SENATE AND THE REPUBLICANS DID PASS THE TAX FREEZE BUT THE DEMOCRATS DID NOT VOTE TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE RIGHT NOW.

THIS DETROIT DEMOCRAT FINGER POINTS AT THE REPUBLICANS AND FOR FIRST OFFERING TAX RELIEF THAT WAS NOT VERY MUCH HE SAYS, AND WE ARE TRYING TO FORCE THE ABOVE NOR TO VE TEE TAX FREEZE WHICH COULD COST VOTES THIS YEAR.

IT WOULD HAVE ALLEVIATED $75 BOTHER OF TAXES.

THAT IS NOT HELPING EVERYBODY.

ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING?

ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO PUSH BACK AGAINST HIGH GAS PRICES CAN THEY STICK THE GOVERNOR WITH A TOUGH VETO.

>> THIS WAS A PURE POLITICAL MOVE THAT FAILED AND I THINK SO.

I THINK SO.

WELL, I THINK CITIZENS WILL SAY THAT BUT REPUBLICANS ARE BLAMING THE DEMOCRATS WITH HOLING UP THIS TAX BREAK FOR DRIVERS AT THE PUMP.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE YOU LOOK AT.

WE PASSED TODAY AT 27-CENT REDUCTION IN GASPAR GALLON THAT PEOPLE WOULD GETTING AWAY FROM THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THIS.

LIKE DEMOCRATS STALLED THAT UP TODAY SO THEY WILL NOT GET THAT RELIEF.

>> BUT SO YOUR PARTY IS NOT PLEADING GUILTY HERE TO TRYING TO SETTED THE GOVERNOR UP POLITICALLY.

>> THINK THINK GOVERNOR MAY HAVE SIGNED IT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT WAS THE HOUSE.

THE SENATE DEMOCRATS WHO STALLED THIS.

HOWEVER WHAT HAS NOT BEEN REPORTED SO FAR IS THAT REPUBLICAN SENATOR JIM WHO CHAIRS THE SENATE BUDGET COMMITTEE WAS UPSET THAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS PASSED THIS GAS TAX FREEZE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND PLAYING POLITICAL GAMES HE PRIVATELY WAS SAYING AND COSTING THE STATE MILLIONS OF LOST DOLLARS AND STRIN TUCK TURE PROJECTS AND MEANWHILE, THE GAS STATION OWNERS ON BEHALF THE MOTOR IS ARE A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED.

>> LE, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTING THAT NOW IT HAS BEEN DEA LAID IF THEY WANTED TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE WHEEZE SEIZE SOME IMMEDIATE RELIEF FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.

>> SO THE GOVERNOR HAS ARTIFICIALLIFULLY DODGED THE GAS TAX VETO BULLET WHICH SETS UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH SIDES TO WORK TOGETHER AND FOR SOME RELIEF AT THE PUMP.

THEN, PERHAPS, LIFTING THE 6% SALES TAX.

SO STREAM HOW DOES IT PLAY OUT?

DO THE DEMOCRATS LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUYS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GIVE IT IMMEDIATE AFFECT OR THE BAD GUYS US WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO SET THE GOVERNOR?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT IS LIKE, WELL, I DON'T THINK IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT BUT CERTAINLY INTERESTING TURNOUT.

I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU SEE, IN THE SENATE, I MEAN, ACTUALLY, THEY VOTED 24-14 WITH TWO DEM CRASS JOINING THE REPUBLICANS VOTING IN FAVOR AND THEN IT COMES TO IMMEDIATE EFFECT THEN YOU CAN SEE THEM VOTING AGAINST SO IT IS TOOL LIENTERIESING THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE GOVERNOR DOES, THEY BILL WON'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL MARCH 2023 WHICH SHE SIGNS INTO EFFECT THE SPECIFIED DATE, THE PERIOD BETWEEN APRIL AND SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR TO SUSPEND THE GAS TAX WILL HAVE ALREADY PASSED.

AND SO, JOY, CERTAINLY INTERESTING.

>> OK HERE'S THE OTHER THING THAT WAS INTERESTING TOO.

IT SEEMS LOOK, YOU HAD STATEDDED ABOUT THE 6% OF SALES TAX THAT ALMOST SEEMED MIDWEEK, LIKE OH MY GOSH, REPUBLICANS AT LEAST THE SENATE AND THEN WHITMER DIDN'T SAY NO.

WELL, THEN VUL THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS COME OUT AND BE LIKE, NO.

SOUP KNOW, LET'S WATCH WHAT THE SALES TAX HAPPENS THEN WOULD COME FROM THE SCHOOL AID FUND BUDGET RIGHT.

SOME REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SAY THERE IS A SURPLUS AND WOULDN'T BE TAKING AWAY THE LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM STRING TURE AS HE EXPLAIN SOUS KNOW, YOU KNOW?

LET'S SEE IF IT SETTING UP FOR QUADRANT MEETING WHERE THE HOUSE REB IN CASS CAN GET SOMETHING AND EASY WIN FOR EVERYBODY.

YEAH.

A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH JUST GOING ON.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED WIN FLATION.

EVERYBODY.

EVERYBODY.

DEMOCRATS, REB CABS, INDEPENDENTS WANT TO LOOK TO THE PEOPLE AS THOUGH THEY ARE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.

WE FEEL YOUR PAIN.

WE FEEL YOUR PAIN AT THE PUMP?

WHITMER CALLED FOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GET RID OF THE FEDERAL FUEL TAX AND 18 CENTS THEN, THEY ARE NOT GOING FOR.

YOU KNOW, FOUR OTHER DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS JOINED HER IN THAT AND SO THEY TURNED IT BACK ON THEM.

THEY SAID, OK. , YOU KNOW.

FURCALLING FOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOM DO IT.

THEN, YOU HAVE NO REAL CELL OVER THAT WE CAN DO IT RIGHT HERE IN THE STATE AND WE HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.

SO 3:00 WHY NOT DO THAT I WAY.

THEN, BUT SHE IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF-NAIPO CONTINUATIONLY COULD BE LOST IN TERMS OF FIXING THED AND TAKE $725 TO $750 MILLION THAT IS NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE ROAD ACCORDING TO THE FISCAL AGE GN.

YOU ARE RIGHT, CHECK CHUCK.

THE REPUBLICAN, OF COURSE, YOU ASKED IF THEY WERE PLAYING POLL TKS WITH.

YEAH.

YOU ASKED.

THEY ARE SOMETHING HERE.

TWICE IN A REAND SENT INCOME TAX ROLLBACK AND GAS TAX SHE IS SITTING ON AND THEY ARE 2 FOR ZIP.

WELL, WE HAVE MONEY TO BACK IT WERE UP TO BE A.

$5 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND MONEY THEY CAN SAY, WE CAN BACK FILL THIS AND PAY FOR THIS.

YOU CANNOT EVEN SAY THIS IS FISCAL IRRESPONSIBLY WE HAVE THE MONEY RUG NOW TO PAY FOR IT.

IT IS SUSPENDING THE GAS TAX ONLY COSTS $750 MILLION.

ONLY.

$750.

>> WE GOT $5 BILLION.

THIS IS KYLE WHOLE MAKES $780.

LOOK.

WE GET PAID FOR.

THIS IS ONLY.

WE GOT $000 MILLION.

YEAH.

YES WE DO.

WE.

WE.

WE ALL HAVE $5 BILLION.

YEAH.

YOU GET SOME.

YOU GET SOME.

TO THAT ACTUAL POINT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING IS, LOOK.

TO YOUR POINT, ALSO, $2.5 BILLION PIN INCOME TAX CUT AS WELL THEN DEMOCRATS ARE PUSHING BACK LITTLE BIT THEY YOU GOT BE, AND I FUNS NY NOW DEMOCRATS ARE LIKE, WE HAVE TO BE FISCALLY RIGHT AND $2.5 BILLION THEN $750 MILLION THEN THE OTHER TAXES THAT HAVE STARTED TO GET PUSHED THROUGH ARE LOOKING AT WHAT DOES THAT ADD UP?

WE HAVE A HUGE SURPLUS THE LARGEST, IN STATE HISTORY.

YEAH.

GO I HEAD.

>> OH, I WILL AD TAD THAT.

I MEAN, IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT IT INTO CONTEXT AND WITH THE INCOME TAX CUT AND COMES DOWN TO 2.5 BILLION AND YOU CANNOT JUST, REPUBLICANS HAVE ARGUED THAT IS A SMALL CHUNK OF THE STATE'S BUDGET WHICH IS $74 BILLION BUT THE STATES THAT MUCH MONEY TO BLAH.

THEN, GENERAL FUND ITSELF IS ABOUT WHAT 14 BILLION OR $16 BILLION AND SO $2.5 BILLION EVERY YEAR WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG BIG YEAR.

>> YOU LOOK.

THE SENATE DEMOCRATS TOOK THE GOVERNOR OFF THE HOOK BY NOT FOAL VOGTING FOR IMMEDIATE EFFECT NOW AND NOW IF SHE VETOES THIS THING I VETO THE BILL THAT WITH A WAS NOT GOING TO DID ANYTHING AND THEY TOOK ONE HER TO TEAM AND LOOK TOOK ONE FOR THE TEAM.

YEAH.

YOU MENTIONED HOW HE IS TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.

MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE SALES TAX ON GASOLINE.

THE GAS STACKS IS 27 CEPS THEN A 6% SALES TAX APPLIED TO GASOLINE SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE 22 CENNORS SOMETHING A GALLON WHICH IS DIFFERNT.

ALSO TALK.

YEAH.

THE DIFFERENCE IS, IT IS A DONE DEAL, GUYS.

WELL, LET'S JUST DO IT IN HOLIDAY TYPE OF MODE AND TEMPORARY THING AND CERTAINLY SAYING LET'S GET RID OF IT.

YEAH PERMANENTLY.

11 YEARS TO DO THIS.

ATHEY ARE UPSET THEY DIDN'T GET THE GAS TAX.

OK. LOOK.

THERE WAS SUB STORY GOING ON HER.

THIS, SAYING HE WAS CLEARLY ANNOYED WITH TOM AL BAR THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE AND THE HOUSE FOR PLAYING POLITICAL GAINS ON THE GAS TAX AND GOT IN THE WAY OF HIM FISHING THE BUDGET AND HE HAS PROJ JENKS HIS DISTRICT HE WANTED FUNDED WITH INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLAR THAT MAYBE TAKEN OUT OUT OF THE 7507 SO A LOT GOING ON HERE.

SOME OF MONEY, TIM.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT ALL.

WE GOT SO MANY PROJECTS WE WANT TO.

>> SPEND IT ON.

WE ARE MOVING THE MONEY AROUND BASS THE DEAL GOES THROUGH AND FORM SOME SORT OF ALLIANCE AND ADMIT THEY HAVE BEEN TAKE THEN THERE IS STILL MONEY THAT COULD COME OUT OF THE SCHOOL AID FUND NOW WE KNOW A WHOLE LOFT MONEY OVER THERE SO NO ONE IS OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT GOING INTO A DEFICIT AREA BUT STILL MONEY COMING FROM THAT AREA THEN DOWN THE LINE, YOU GOT FIGURE OUT WHERE HE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM AND HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT MONEY UP.

>> TO THIS POINT WE TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND ANNOUNCE SHE WAS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION, SURPRISE, SURPRISE.

OK. , LET'S SEE WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY OR NOT SAY AS THE CASE MAY BE.

>> GREAT STATE.

THEN WE ARE READY TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION Z.

[CHEERING AND APPLAUDING] >> WELL, THAT IS NOT EXACTLY THE SURPRISE THAT GOVERNOR WHITMER WANTS FOUR MORE YEARS.

THE GOVERNOR AFTER MAKING THAT ANNOUNCEMENT WORKED THE CROWD OF SUPPORTERS AND THANKED THEM FOR COLLECTING 30,000 SIGNATURES TO GET HER NAME ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT AND ONE FACE IN THE CROWD STANDING TO THE SIDE THE FIRST GENTLEMEN THE GOVERNOR'S HUS AND AND HIS ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION WAS NOT A SURPRISE EITHER.

>> WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR?

>> GRETCHEN, OF COURSE.

THE GOVERNOR GAVE THE FIRST AS OFFICIAL CANDIDATE FOR RE-ELECTION.

AND SHE WOULD NOT TAKE THE BEAT ON WHAT SHE THOUGHT ABOUT THE CROWDED REPUBLICAN FIELD OF WOULD BE OPPONENTS.

>> OH, I AM NOT GOING THERE.

>> FOR MOMENT, THE GOVERNOR ALSO DECLINED TO TAKE A STANCE ON WHERE SHE SUPPORTS LIFTING THE SALES TAX AT THE PUMP.

>> WELL, WOULD YOU NEGOTIATE ON THE 6% SALES TAX.

WELL, AT THIS TIME, WE ARE FOCUSED ON TRYING TO GOT THE SUPPLEMENTAL DONE.

>> SENATE REPUBLICAN LEADER AND YOUR LEADER THE SENATE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

YOU ALL I AM ASKING YOU.

ARE YOU THERE?

I AM WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

DO YOU SUPPORT.

YOU.

>> I SAID I AM WILLING TO HAVE AS AFTER THIS WAS YOUR QUESTION.

S THAT YOUR ANSWER.

>> SHE ADD IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL IDEAS THAT WE CAN PURSUE I AM EAGER TO DO THAT.

HOWEVER, THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET BEGINS THIS FIRST DAY OF THE CAMPAIGN WITH A MAJORITY VISION BETWEEN THE MS AWE GRAD GRETCHEN WHITMER AND THE U OF M GRAD GILCREST THE DIVISION OVER WHICH TEAM WINCE THE NCAA TURN.

>> MICHIGAN.

OF COURSE.

>> OF COURSE.

>> I HAVE MICHIGAN WOMEN WINNING.

I GOT MICHIGAN STATE MEN WINNING.

>> 0.

>> THE GOVERNOR HOWEVER PROBABLY IS BETTING THAT SHE WILL WIN FOUR MORE YEARS.

THE REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

>> OUCH.

THE WOUND WAS RIGHT HERE.

OOP OH.

GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION.

HERE NICE ANSWER.

GUESS I AM DONE.

>> AND END WOO.

WHY WOULDN'T HE TAKE A PEGS ON THE SALES TAX AND THE WAY ON THE TABLE AND ALSO COME PRET AND WHYLE HOLD BACK?

I THINK SHE WANTS TO GOES THOUGH BARGAINING TABLE THE TAX CUTS SHE WANTS TO SEE PASSED THE EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT AND THE ELIMINATION OF RETIREMENT.

HERE THIS IS ANSWER.

YOU CAN MAKE A DEAL ON THIS IF THEY GIVE ME SOMETHING I WILL GIVE THEM SOMETHING END OF STORE THERE R.EN?

THE MODE YET ANOINT DEAL CUTTING MODE YET.

JUST DO THIS.

IT IS STILL MARCH.

WE ARE NOT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET DOWN TO BRASS TAX UNTIL LATE MAY EARLY JUNE OR SOMETHING LIKE TO.

THAT IS TRYING TO GENERATE SUPPORT FOR THE IDEAS THEN NOT CAVING THEN GIVING OUT AND THROWING AWAY WHAT YOU HAVE PUT ON THE TABLE SO FAR BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE GIVING IN THE NEGOTIATION AND SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT YET.

DON'T YOU THINK SHE HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRICE AT THE PUMP?

>> OH, WELL, IT IS DEFINITELY, WELL, NO QUESTION THAT PEOPLE NEED GAS TAX RELEAF AND EVERY TIME I SEND HER OFFICE INQUIRY DO YOU SUPPORT THIS?

THAT THE HOUSE CAME OUT OR YOU KNOW, IN THE SENATE, I MEAN, BIPARTISAN PROPOSAL THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, GIVE PEOPLE SOME RELIEF THROUGH THE SALES TAX, HER ANSWER HAS ALWAYS BEEN, WELL, I WILL STICK TO THE FEDERAL GAS RELIEF I ASKED FOR.

WELL, GRANTED THERE ARE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME REPORTS THAT BIDEN IS OPEN TO CONSIDER IT.

BUT SO FAR, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING FROM COMMITMENT FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

IT IS HARD TO SAY.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS OH, RITE IS BEFORE.

I AM PERPLEXED THAT HOUSE REPUBLICANS SEEM TO BE AGAINST THIS WHEN IT SEEM LIKES IT COULD BE WIN FOR EVERYBODY.

>> POSTURING PURCHASE TOO.

NO, REALLY.

YEAH.

WE'LL SEE.

YEAH.

YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ON NEXT WEEK'S SHOW ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL SEE WHATP HEANS.

NEXT WEEK AND TO THIS POINT I MEAN THIS IS NOT, WELL, WE ALSO AROUND THIS TABLE, WE KNOW WE ARE BACK BE A TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ISSUES AS ONE ISSUES EACH.

WELL, THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER.

AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET AND PARTICULARLY TALKING ABOUT A BUDGET IN ELECTION YEAR, WELL, ALL OF THESE THINGS SORT OF HINGE YOU KNOW, ON EACH OTHER AND TO KYLE'S POINT THEN ONE THING THAT WHITMER HAS CONTINUED TO SAY WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS IS, I HAVE, I HAVE BROUGHT UP RELIEF.

THE EITC AND ALL CREDITS THAT WAS WAS HA THE STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS WAS AND THE BUDGET PRESENTATION AND KEEPS GOING BACK YOU WANT THIS.

I HAVE GIVEN YOU A LIST.

LET'S SEE WHEN THE REPUBLICANS COME UP WITH THEIR BUDGET PRESS APP ALABAMA AND SEE WHAT TA LOOK LIKE.

ONE THUK SHE IS SHE IS DOING IS PLAYING WELL TOLL THE SKEPTICISM THAT THE AVERAGELE MICHIGAN ANDER HAS.

WITH POLITICS AND THAM IS YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ME A QUICK FIX RAILROAD SAUG LONG TERM SOLUTION AND YES THEY WANT TO SEIZE RELIEF WHEN THEY GO THOUGH GAS STATIONS BUT THEY ARE ALSO SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW, DON'T, DON'T THROW ME SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GIVE ME RELIEF FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS HERE IN THEN GOING TO JACK BACK UP AND TAKING POSITION I AM TRIALING TO PUT THINGS ON THE TABLE AND THAT WILL AFFECT YOU FOR YEARS TO COME.

AND RIGHT.

SO THAT'S THE NEGOTIATIONS.

>> WITH ALL DO RESPECT WHICH IS A LANE I WILL DISA DEGREE.

OH A.

LOOK.

I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC WANTS SOMETHING NOW.

S THIS THE NOW GENERATION.

OK. THEN, SHE HAS TO EXPLAIN THE LONG TERM IMPACT AND POLITIC FUSS ARE EXPLAINING SOMETHING STUFF ARE IN TROUBLE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW.

THERE IS TREMENDOUS SKEPTICISM OUT THERE AND THEN PEOPLE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW.

PEOPLE SMART ENOUGH TO BE ABLE FIGURE OTOKAY.

HOW LONG DO YOU GIVE ME RELIEF AND JUST FOR A MNT OR SO OR POLITICAL PURPOSES AND THEN I CAN SEE THROUGH THAT.

THEN, IF IT SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY SUBSTANTIAL FOR CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIM AND GO WITH THAT AND WATCHING BOTH SIDES BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAVE THEIR TALKING POINT THENCE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WON A WINCE TELLING THE BIGGER OR LESSER TRUTH HERE.

>> LE, THE POLLSTER TEST THIS QUESTION TO SEE WHAT THE IN PACK OF THIS STUFF IS.

FAIR ENOUGH.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ALL RIGHT OK. KYLE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT ALSO GOT TO LOOK AT THE PRICE AT THE PUMP TOO ACTUALLY PRICES A THE PUMP HAVE GONE DOWN.

>> THEY ARE COMING DOWN.

THEY ARE COMING DOWN.

THAT SCARED THE REPUBLICANS AND SOME WHO ACTUALLY WANTED HER TO VETO THIS THING.

OH, YEAH.

RATING.

IF THOSE PRICES CONTINUE TO GO UP SHALL THE THEN SAY WE ARE TAG $450-$5 THEN CHANGE THE CALCULUS AND STILL VERY HIGH.

DON'T GET ME WRONG.

THEY ARE HIGH.

WE HAD SIMILAR RATES IN 201 THEN NOT TALKING ABOUT SUSPENDING THE GAS TAX THAT TIME EITHER.

>> IT WAS NOT ELECTION YEAR.

JUST TO SAY THAT AND WE GET USED TO PAYING $4 A GALLON WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO AND CROSS INTO UNCHARTERED TERRITORIES LIKE SOMETHING WE NEVER CONSIDERED BEFORE LIKE $5 OR $6.

THEY VIN CALIFORNIA MAYBE WE HAVE TO RETHRIFT.

I DON'T THINK SHE FEELS LIKE SHE HAS TO VISIT THIS.

A LOT OF PUBLIC BELIEVES THE PRICES ARE GOING UP BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING OVER IN UKRAINE AND THEN, A WHOLEP HOPE?

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

THEN THEY ARE LOOKING INTO THAT AND SAYING, WELL, WE DONE LIKE PUTIN.

AND SO I AMLOGICAL TO PAY LITTLE BIT MORE AT THE PUMP.

EVERYBODY IS NOT NOT SAYING THAT AND SOME OF THE ATTITUDE.

ALL RIGHT TALK TO US ABOUT THE REPRESENT OF MICHIGAN HOUSE THAT WENTS DOWN HILLSDALE AND SET SOME INTEREST THINGS ABOUT THE SPEAK EARN OTHER PEOPLE.

>> LE, REP REPRESENTATIVE IS THE HUSBAND OF THE CO CHAIR OF THE MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN PARTY AND MATT IS RUN ARE FOR REPUBLICAN LEADER FOR THE NEXT TERM AND THEN PRESUMABLY SPEAKER OF COURSE AND REPUBLICANS LAKE TO KEEP CONTROL IN SPEAKER CANDIDATE IN ORDER TO DO SO, THOUGH, HE IS AND MY SHAWN ARE VERY PROTRUMP INDIVIDUAL AND THEY HAVE BEEN LEADER IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO GET TRUMP!

'S ENTHUSIASM UP AND TO ADVANCE HISSED A AGAIN AND HAWN HAS BEEN WORKING IN GETTING ENDORSEMENTS AND GETS FOLKS LINED ON IN THIS STATE PARTY SIGN AND MATT ON THE STATE HOUSE SIDE.

AS PART OF THIS, HE IS RECRUITING FRESHMAN WHO ARE PRO TRUMP ELECTION FRAUD TYPE CANDIDATES AND IN DOING SEW HAS ARE RUBBED A LOT OF FOLKS THE WRONG WHICH ON THE REPUBLICAN CAUTION YOU CAN WHO NOT TRIED TO DOLL THE WHOLE ELECTION FRAUD THING AND AUDIT AND THIS TYPE OF THING AND PUT THEM DOWN.

THEN, SO HE WENT TO HILLSDALE COUNT TOY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS RUN FOR SPEAKER AND REPUBLICAN LEADER AND THEN, IN DOING SO, HE, HE LAW THIS SOME SHADE AT ONE OF HIS OPPONENTS ANDREW FINK WHIS STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND JASON WENTWORTHS WHO THE CURRENT SPACKER WHO I SAID IS LIKE LEE CHATFIELD OR NO BIT OFFER THAN LEE CHATFIELD AND HE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE JASON WENTWORTH THE SPEAKER IS DOING ENOUGH AND NOT UPFRONT ENOUGH AND NOT DOING PRESS CONFERENCES AND NOT DOING ANYTHING.

SHORE UP THE PRO TRUMP BASE THAT IS WEAK THEN HE WENT AND SAID THAT ANDREW FINK IS BASICALLY TRYING TO GET RID OF TRYING TO GET RID OF CASH BND AND THEN HE IS A VERY, VERY BAD PERSON AND THAT THE OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE RUNNING FOR SPEAKER ARE JUST BASICALLY TOOLS OF THE LOG CORE AND DOING THE ESTABLISHMENTS WORK AND HES THE ONLY ONE WHO IS STANDING FOUND THE REAL FOLKS LOOK ALL.

6:00.

>> TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL.

RIGHT.

HIS PROBLEM WAS, HIS PROBLEM WAS HE WAS TAPE RECORDER AND THE ENTIRE TAPE WAS SHARED WITH THE HOUSE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS HOW DO THEY REACT?

>>> HOT MIC.

WELL, THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMEBODY RECORDING OR TAKING NOTES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

ON THE TAPE.

HE KNEW HE WAS BEING RORRED WHAT HE DIDN'T KNOW WAS SOMEBODY IN THE ROOM GAVE THE TAPE TO REPRESENTATIVE FINK AND MR. FINK DUS TRIBBUTEDDED TO ALL THE COLLEAGUES SO WHAT'S THE FALLOUT FROM THIS IF ANIEN?

IS IT A ONE DAZE STORE ARE RY OR NOT?

>> I MEAN, WELL, I THINK IT IS RICKETTS BECAUSE TRYING TO FIGURE THE STORIES SURROUNDING BOTH IS VERY HARD.

MUCH LIKE TRYING TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE STORY DURING THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY.

AND HOW THEY OPERATE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE NORM.

I WOULD SAY BOTH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE DEMOCRATS JUST THIS WEEK.

COMING OUT IN A PERSONAL CAPACITY AND ENDORSING AG CANDIDATE ANG SECRETARY OF STATE CANDIDATE BEFORE THE PART'S CONVENTION THAT IS NOT THE NORM.

WITHIN PARTY POLITICS.

THE WAY YOU HAVE IT.

THEY ARE TO REMAIN SHRINE.

RIGHT.

WELL, IN A PERSONAL CAPACITY DON'T GOAL BE PERSONAL CAPACITY WHEN YOU A CHAIR OR CO CHAIR OF THE PARTY SO I THINK THE PAUSE IS, RITE IS HARD.

TO TRY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS NOR TERNAL POLITICS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> S OR THE PROBLEM WITH REPUBLICANS THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IF THEY COME OUT AND VIT CALL ON THESE COMMENTS WILL I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND HEAR FROM WHO?

DONALD TRUMP.

>> EXACTLY.

THEY DON'T WANT THAT TO MESS UP WITH PROJECT RY TO KEEP CONTROL.

I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO THAT AVERAGE MICHIGAN ANDER OUT THERE.

>> AXLEY.

THIS IS ALL INSIDE BASEBALL.

>> IT IS.

>> AND YOU ITS MORE IN H FIGHTING WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE PRO TRUMP FOLKS VERS THE NON-PROTRUMP FOLK WHO WON'T ADMITS THEY ARE AGAINST TRUMP.

BUT STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH POWER DOES DONALD TRUMP HAVE?

A LOT OF POWER.

US HE GOING TO USE THAT POWER IS?

HE GOING TO BE IN THIS RACE NEXT TIME ASH AGAINST JOE BIDEN OR WHETHER OR NOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL FIND SOMEBODY THAT COMES OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND BECOMES THE PERSON THAT IS NOW THE FACE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

HERE DEALS.

AS THE PRESIDENT USED TO SAY OR STILL SAYS ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS INSIDE BASEBALL BUT DOES HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE ELECTORATE BECAUSE THE THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL HELP TO ESTABLISH THE AGAIN FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS IN THE TOWN.

THAT IS NOT A FAIR SAME?

YEAH.

I WOULD SAY SO.

YEA SO THIS DOES HAVE SOME FOR THE IMPORT.

THAT IS PROXY WAR NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

MADDOX ACTUALLY I CONTACTED HIM YESTERDAY AND APOLOGIZED TO BOTH REPRESENTATIVE FIJIAN SPEAKER WENTWORTH AND UNDER PRESSURE THEN THAT SPEAKS TO MATED MATED AND OUR INCONTACT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP HE DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE.

HE WANTS TO WIN THESE RACES.

WASN'TS MATT TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

HE WANTS CHRISTINA TO BE THE NEXT SECRETARY OF STATE BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS PEOPLE.

HE WANTS MATT MADDOX TO BE THE NEXT SPEAKER BUT IN ORDER FOREMATH NATH TO DO THAT HE HAS GOT A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT UNDER STRESS AND PROBABLY IS.

>> ALL RIGHT LET'S QUICKLY BRING UP-TO-DATE ON COVID THE NUMBERS ARE LOOKING GOOD BUT A LITTLE THING THROUGHOUT CALLED AB2.

SHOULD WE?

EXCUSE ME.

SHOULD WE BE CAN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT?

SO, YEAH.

I MEAN, IT IS CREEPING UP ON EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WE ARE SEEING IT IN THEMENT K. WE ARE HE SCHOOLING IT IN THE FLEETER LANES AS WELL.

SO, ARE NEITHERLANDS AS WELL THE CDC HAS SAID IT IS CONSIDERED MORE CONTAGIOUS THAN THE OMICRON VARIANT.

BUT IT IS ALSO LEGS LIKELY JUST LIKE OMICRON IS IT LESS LIKELY TO ATTACK LUNGS THEN IF YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY HAD OMICRON CASE, AND INFECTION, THAT WOULD HELP YOU PROTECT AGAINST THIS SUBVARIANT.

SO YEAH, REGION-WISE, MAIN, INCLUDING MICHIGAN, I THINK, IN THE REGION, THE LATEST NUMBER SAYS, BE ABOUT 20% OF THE CASES ARE TRAIB BAUTED TO THIS SUB VARIANT.

IT IS HISTORY IS A PRECURSOR OF REALITY.

HISTORY SAID IT STARTS IN LENGTHLAND GIVE IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GET ACROSS THE POND NOW IN THE BACKYARD.

I DROVE AROUND ANN ARBOR ON THURSDAY, ST. PAT TRUCK DEA DAY, 57 DEGREES IF THAT IS NO SUPER SPREADER VEN I DON'T ME WHAT IS.

>> IS I ONE OF THE LAST AROUND THE TABLES AGAIN FOR ANOTHER?

ARE HEADED FOR ANOTHER SURGE?

>> OH, YOU KNOW?

IT LOOKS LIKE, EVEN WHEN WE WERE IN THE MIXED OF DOE COID THE TALK WAS THAT WELL GO IN WAVINGS AND THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE THE FLU IN THE SENSE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PEAKS AND GOING TO BE DOWN.

WE ARE GOING TO BECOME IMMUNE AS SOCIETY TO WHATEVER THE NEW VARIANT IS AND THEN IT IS GOING TO GO AWAY THEN THE NEXT VAR WRITTEN WILL HAVE MUTATED THEN WELL EAT GET THAT AND SO WITH EACH DIFFERENT VARIANT LOOK LOOKS THE SEVERITY OF THE CASES ARE GOING DOWN AND LESS MORTALITY WHICH IS GOOD BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE WE ARE RIDING A ROLLER COASTER HERE.

ALL THE FRIENDS WILL YOU PRIVATELY THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE WITH US FOR YEARS TO COME.

NIK MISTAKE ABOUT IT.

DON'T LET YOUR GUARD DOWN.

KEEP YOUR MASK HANDY.

WHENEVER ARE IN THE SITUATION WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE I WHIP THE MASK OUT YOU BETTER DO SO.

STA STAY ON IN THIS VACCINES THEN JUST BE CAUTIOUS.

BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE ONE FORM OR ANOTHER LIKE THE FLU IT IS NOT GOING AWAY.

IN TWO WEEKS OR SO WHEN WE SIT AROUND THE TABLE HOMEFULLY WE HAVE NUMB BERTHAS ARE STILL LOW BUT GOODNESS GRACIOUS IT IS THIEF DYES.

WELL, A CALM AND GREAT PANEL.

GREAT TO SEE YOU.

TROAT YOU HAVE BACK WITH US AS WELL.

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