>> Rooney: I'M EMILY ROONEY.

WELCOME TO "BEAT THE PRESS."

OUR TOPICS: SOME CRITICS SAY OPRAH WINFREY'S MEGHAN AND HARRY INTERVIEW WAS THE BEST EVER, OTHERS SAY SHE WAS A LITTLE SOFT; ITS OFFICIAL TITLE IS "THE STATE VERSUS CHAUVIN," BUT MANY CALL IT THE "GEORGE FLOYD MURDER TRIAL," RANKLING SOME CRITICS; AND SHE POSTED RACIST TWEETS AS A TEENAGER, NOW SHE'S SOON-TO-BE EDITOR OF "TEEN VOGUE," AND THE STAFF IS NOT HAPPY.

PLUS, OUR PANEL'S RANTS AND RAVES OF THE WEEK.

JOINING ME ARE: ADAM REILLY OF GBH NEWS; THE "BOSTON GLOBE'S" LYLAH ALPHONSE; JON KELLER OF WBZ NEWS; AND CALLIE CROSSLEY OF GBH NEWS.

FIRST UP, EVEN IF YOU DON'T CARE AT ALL ABOUT THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY, OPRAH WINFREY'S INTERVIEW WITH MEGHAN MARKLE AND PRINCE HARRY WAS RIVETING TV, A NEWS-MAKING EVENT WHOSE AFTERSHOCKS ARE STILL REVERBERATING.

IT'S ALSO BEING TOUTED AS A MODEL FOR JOURNALISTS EVERYWHERE TO EMULATE.

BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE REALISTIC OR EVEN DESIRABLE.

ADAM HAS MORE.

>> Reporter: AS OPRAH WINFREY BASKED IN THE AFTERGLOW ON "CBS THIS MORNING," HER FRIEND GAYLE KING OFFERED THIS GLOWING DUSHES GUSHING REVIEW.

>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE PERFECTION.

>> Reporter: SHE WASN'T THE ONLY ONE.

MEDIA CRITIC JAY ROSEN TWEETED: "THAT WAS THE BEST INTERVIEW I HAVE EVER WATCHED."

THE "WASHINGTON POST'S" MARGARET SULLIVAN CALLED IT A "MASTER CLASS" IN "NAILING DOWN THE NEWS."

BUT A FEW CAVEATS ARE IN ORDER, STARTING WITH WINFREY'S UNIQUE THEORY OF INTERVIEWING.

>> TELL ME WHAT YOUR INTENTION IS, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY INTENTION IS, AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN ALIGN THOSE TWO.

>> Reporter: FOR THE RECORD, MOST JOURNALISTS DON'T SEE THEIR INTERVIEW SUBJECTS AS COLLABORATORS AND, AS A RULE, WE DON'T GO TO THEIR WEDDINGS.

>> I REMEMBER SITTING IN THE CHAPEL.

THANKS FOR INVITING ME, BY THE WAY.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME!

>> Reporter: ALSO, THERE WERE SOME BIG QUESTIONS WINFREY COULDN'T GET ANSWERS TO, LIKE EXACTLY, WHAT KATE MIDDLETON ALLEGEDLY SAID TO MARKLE TO MAKE HER CRY, OR WHICH MEMBER OF THE ROYAL FAMILY FRETTED OVER THE SKIN TONE OF MEGHAN AND HARRY'S CHILD.

>> NEITHER HIS GRANDMOTHER OR GRANDFATHER WERE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

HE DID NOT TELL ME WHO WERE A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AS YOU CAN SEE, I TRIED TO GET THAT ANSWER.

>> Reporter: STILL, WINFREY DID LISTEN CLOSELY, ASK SMART FOLLOW-UPS INSTEAD OF STICKING TO A SCRIPT, AND USE SILENCE AS A TOOL... >> DID IT FEEL LIKE BETRAYAL WHEN YOU FOUND OUT YOUR FATHER WAS WORKING WITH THE TABLOIDS?

>> UM ... >> Reporter: ...THINGS EVERY INTERVIEWER SHOULD DO, EVEN IF WE OFTEN DON'T.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT ADAM FOR THE RECORD I WATCHED EVERY MINUTE OF IT AND FOUND IT FAIRLY RIVETING.

BUT I FOUND IT SOMEWHAT ON THE SOFT SIDE.

SHE DID DISCLOSE SHE DID GO TO THE WEDDING BUT DIDN'T DISCLOSE THAT SHE IS IF IN WITH HARRY TO MAKE A DEAL.

THAT FAR DOWN THE LINE DOESN'T GET A TITLE SO THERE WAS NO PUSH BACK ON THAT AND I FOUND A FEW OTHER PLACES EVEN ON THE ISSUE OF WHO ASKED ABOUT THE RACE OF THE BABY, I THINK SHE DIDN'T PUSH HARD ENOUGH.

SHE DIDN'T ELIMINATE ANYBODY UNTIL THE NEXT DAY.

>> IF THERE WAS PUSH BACK THAT WAS TO YOUR PHRASE LEFT ON THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR.

I FOUND IT TOTALLY IMPLAUSIBLE FOR EXAMPLE THAT MEGHAN MARKLE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THE ROYAL FAMILY BEFORE MARRYING INTO IT.

THE THINGS THAT SHE DID REALLY WELL ARE BIG THINGS.

I WANT TO STRESS THAT.

IT IS AMAZING HOW MANY INTERVIEWERS DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT THEIR GUESTS ARE SAYING.

DO NOT TAKE THE LEAD THAT THEIR GUESTS GIVE THEM AND THEN DON'T RUSH TO FILL THE SILENCE IN AN AWKWARD MOMENT.

SHE DID ALL THOSE THINGS.

THOSE ARE REALLY HARD TO DO AND I THINK EVERYONE WOULD DO WELL TO EMULATE THEM.

MARGARET SULLIVAN AT THE "WASHINGTON POST" SAID SHE WOULD LOVE TO SEE OPRAH WINFREY INTERVIEW MBS THE SAUDI PRINCE, THE MASTERMIND OF JAMAL KHASHOGGI.

I WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE ADVERSARIALLY AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT SHE WOULD DO WITH IT IT.

>> Rooney: LYLAH.

>> YOU SAW OPRAH REACT THE WAY MANY INTERVIEWERS REACTED.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I WOULD ASK, HOW FAIR OR HOW DARK MY CHILD WOULD BE.

MY PARENTS FROM TWO DIFFERENT CULTURES, PEOPLE APPARENTLY LINED UP WHEN I WAS BORN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FATHOM IT.

I THINK THAT RESONATED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I THINK THE BEST INTERVIEWS ARE CONVERSATIONAL AND RELAXED AND YOU CAN GET A LOT MORE OUT OF THE TOPIC, OUT OF THE SUBJECT, WHEN THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO OPEN UP TO YOU WHEN THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING GRILLED.

AND TO ADAM'S POINT SHE MASTERFULLY USED A LOT OF SKILLS, THAT PEOPLE WOULD DO WELL BY USING MORE OF IN NORMAL SITUATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE WOULD BE WITH THE SAUDI CROWN PRINCE.

PEOPLE AS A GUEST ON HER SHOW TEND TO BE MORE COMPELLING INTERVIEWS NOR HER IN THAT STYLE.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT EVERYONE IN THE U.S. KNOWS WHO SHE IS AND THINKS OF COURSE SHE WOULD LAND THIS KIND OF INTERVIEW THERE ARE PEOPLE ACROSS THE POND WHO ARE STILL WONDERING LIKE HOW DID SHE GET HOLD OF THESE PEOPLE, WHAT'S SO AMAZING AND THEY ARE SEEING TONIGHT A VERY DIFFERENT LIGHT THAN WE ARE.

>> WELL FIRST OF ALL, DISCLOSURE, MY EMPLOYER IS OWNED BY CBS WHICH AIRED THE INTERVIEW, ALTHOUGH IT'S A PRODUCT OF HARPO STUDIOS.

OPRAH'S COMPANY.

MEGHAN AND HARRY ARE NOT IMPLICATED IN THE DECAPITATION OF A FAMOUS INTERVIEW, THE NOTION THAT THESE INTERVIEWS WOULD BE COMPROMISED IS A LITTLE BIT MUCH.

I LOVE OPRAH, SINCE BARBARA WALTERS, IS THE BEST AT CELEBRITY INTERVIEW.

SHE DOES A GREAT JOB.

SHE COULD BE COLLABORATING WITH HARRY AND I TAKE SOME OF THE OTHER CRITICISMS AS FAIR.

I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET.

THERE IS TRUTH IN ADVERTISING THERE.

YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TUNE INTO AN OPRAH INTERVIEW WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION OF THAT AUTHOR WHO SHE HAD TOUTED WHO TURNED OUT TO HAVE MADE UP -- >> Rooney: MIDDLE PIECES OR SOMETHING, YEAH.

>> THEN SHE REALLY SHOWED THAT SHE COULD YOU KNOW TRASH SOMEBODY IF SHE WANTED TO.

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET FROM AN OPRAH INTERVIEW, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IS WHAT WE GOT WHICH WAS CONVERSATIONAL, WELL DONE, HEAVILY EDITED KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>> IT WAS THREE AND A HALF HOURS, ALL TOLD, BUTTEFULLY EDITED.

SHE DID DISCLOSE IT IN THE CONVERSATION SO WE DID HEAR THAT, I MEAN SHE DIDN'T DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE THING BUT SHE CERTAINLY DID IT AS SHE WENT ALONG.

I THINK IT CANNOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH, OPRAH IS NOT A JOURNALIST.

THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE WANTS TO BE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP CALLING HER THAT.

THE REASON SHE STEPPED AWAY FROM HER 60 MINUTES ROLE AS SHE SAID HERSELF, IT WAS TOO DIFFICULT FOR HER NOT TO BE EMPATHETIC, NOT TO BRING THE STUFF THAT PEOPLE ARE LAUDING HER FOR IN THIS INTERVIEW, THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO.

HER ABILITY TO REALLY LISTEN IS A HUGE THING, SO IMPORTANT.

THE ONE THING FOLLOWING UP WITH WHAT LYLAH SAID, KIND OF SET ME AND MY FRIENDS OF COLOR WAS, SHE KNOWS FULL WELL EVERYBODY IS ASKING ABOUT THE COLOR OF THAT BABY.

HER EXPRESSED SHOCK WOULD BE FOR OTHER PEOPLE THAT SHE WOULD BE EXPRESSING IT ON THEIR BEHALF.

BUT AS A BLACK PERSON SHE KNOWS FULL WELL THAT IS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME.

I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S ABOUT AND OTHER THAN THAT ONLY ONE OTHER TIME WHEN SHE ALMOST TALKED OVER MEGHAN BUT EVERY OTHER TIME I THOUGHT THE WAY SHE WAS ABLE TO BE WITH HER GUESTS WERE FINE.

LISTEN HERE'S THE HARDEST THING TO DO.

IF YOU REALLY KNOW SOMEBODY LIKE SHE KNOWS THEM TO THE EXTENT, AND YOU'RE IN THAT CELEBRITY CIRCLE, WHAT YOU MAY PERCEIVE AS SOFTBALL IS REALLY KIND OF HARD EDGED FOR HER TO ASK THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS SHE DID WHEN SHE TRAVELS IN THAT CIRCLE.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY HANG OUT.

THEY'RE NEIGHBORS.

THAT WAS A SKILL TO WALK ALONG THAT LEDGE AND GET WHAT SHE GOT.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT.

NOW, JURY SELECTION CONTINUES THIS WEEK IN THE TRIAL OF A WHITE FORMER MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER ACCUSED OF FATALLY SMOTHERING AN UNARMED BLACK MAN.

IT'S A HIGHLY CHARGED ATMOSPHERE BRIMMING WITH RACIAL OVERTONES AND FEARS OF INJUSTICE.

AND EVEN BEFORE THE TRIAL GETS UNDER WAY, THERE ARE CONTROVERSIES, INCLUDING ONE ABOUT WHAT TO CALL THE TRIAL ITSELF.

THERE'S NO QUESTION WHAT TO CALL TRIALS OF THE INFAMOUS ACCUSED OF MURDER-- THE "O.J.

SIMPSON TRIAL," THE "WHITEY BULGER TRIAL"-- BUT WHEN THE VICTIM IS A HOUSEHOLD NAME, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT THEN?

>> GEORGE FLOYD MURDER TRIAL.

JURY SELECTION BEGINS.

>> Rooney: OBVIOUSLY, GEORGE FLOYD IS NOT ON TRIAL; FORMER OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN IS ACCUSED OF MURDERING HIM, AS ABC MAKES CLEAR.

>> THE FIRST DAY OF THE TRIAL OF FORMER MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN, CHARGED IN THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD.

>> GEORGE FLOYD BECAME A HOUSEHOLD NAME AFTER HIS DEATH LAST MAY IGNITED A RESURGENCE OF THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT.

BUT CRITICS, LIKE GBH CONTRIBUTOR REVEREND EMMETT PRICE, SAY THE NEWS MEDIA SHOULD NOT BE CALLING IT THE "GEORGE FLOYD MURDER TRIAL."

>> THIS IS NOT THE GEORGE FLOYD TRIAL.

AS ALL THE ATTORNEYS OUT THERE KNOW, WHO GETS PLACED BEFORE THE "V" AND WHO GETS PLACED AFTER THE V IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

>> Rooney: AS PRICE NOTES, FLOYD DOESN'T APPEAR IN THE FORMAL NAME OF THE CASE, WHICH IS HOW SOME OUTLETS REFER TO IT.

>> THE STATE VERSUS DEREK CHAUVIN.

>> Rooney: STILL, CALLING IT THE GEORGE FLOYD TRIAL IS ARGUABLY A MATTER OF RESPECT; HIGHLIGHTING FLOYD DIMINISHES THE PERPETRATOR.

MEANWHILE, REVERED PRICE IS NOT ALONE.

A NUMBER OF NEWS OUTLETS ARE RETHINKING THEIR TERMINOLOGY, MAKING THIS THE SAFE BET.

>> JURY SELECTION FINALLY GOT UNDER WAY TODAY IN THE MURDER TRIAL OF A FORMER POLICE OFFICER ACCUSED OF KILLING GEORGE FLOYD.

>> Rooney: AND LOOKING AT NBC'S GRAPHIC, IT'S THE PERFECT SOLUTION: "GEORGE FLOYD DEATH TRIAL."

GENTLEMEN CALLIE I HAVE TO DS YES, CALLIE I HAVE TO SAY, PART OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS, WE WANT TO MENTION THE PERSON WHO DIED.

WE DON'T WANT TO FOCUS ON THE PERSON WHO'S CHARGED.

DEREK CHAUVIN IS NOT A HOUSEHOLD NAME.

THERE PROBABLY WAS DISCUSSION ON IT, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO LAND ON IT BUT IT'S SMURL THEIR INTENTION.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY ABOUT THAT, THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS.

THIS SHOULD BE DISCUSSED, THE PERSON ON TRIAL IS DEREK CHAUVIN.

HORCH IN THESE HIGHLY CHARGED POLICE CASES ALWAYS ALWAYS THE BLACK PERSON IS ON TRIAL.

WE USE THE LANGUAGE USED TO PUT THAT PERSON'S NAME OUT TO KNOW THAT HE WAS THE PERSON WITH THE NEON THE NECK OF THE MAN WHO DIES.

REALLY UNDERSCORES THE SYSTEMIC CASUALNESS WE HAVE ABOUT HOW WE HIGHLIGHT WHO'S ON TRIAL AND WHO ISN'T.

AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS ANNOYS ME TO NO END.

AND JOURNALISTS SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

AND I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, DO BETTER.

DO BETTER, DO MUCH BETTER RIGHT NOW, FIX IT.

>> FOR THE RECORD I WANT TO SAY EMILY I HAD THE EXACT SAME REACTION AS YOU WHEN I HEARD THIS CRITICISM.

HIT NOT OCCURRED TO ME THAT CALLING AT THIS TIME GEORGE FLOYD MURDER TRIAL WOULD NOT BE THE ATTEMPT TO CENTER HIM BUT THAT RIGHT THERE IS AN ARGUMENT FOR NEWSROOM DIVERSITY.

YOU AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE AS WHITE PEOPLE THAN BLACK COLLEAGUES.

ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION I CAME ACROSS BEFORE WE STARTED TALKING TODAY, THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE IS CALLING IT THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL IN THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD.

YOU KNOW WE LIKE TO CUT DOWN SYLLABLES, WE LIKE TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.

I LIKE THAT FRAMING A LOT BECAUSE IT BOTH REMINDS YOU OF WHO IS ACCUSED OF MURDER AND WHO THE VICTIM WAS, THAT IS MY CURRENT FAVORITE ITERATION FOR THIS.

>> I AGREE 100% WITH REVEREND PRICE.

I AGREE WITH ADAM THAT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION IT WON'T FIT NEATLY IN A HEADLINE BUT USE MORE OF THE DECK TO DESCRIBE THE TRIAL IF YOU NEED TO, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OJ TRIAL, AND THIS, IS THAT OJ AND WHITEY BULGER WERE ON TRIAL.

NOT THE VICTIMS.

USE MORE WORDS IN THE STORY IN THE AUDIOCLIP, WHATEVER, TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE TRIAL IS ABOUT.

WHICH IS THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD.

>> YEAH, I THOUGHT, CALLIE, YOU GOT ONTO A GREAT POINT THERE, WHICH IS THIS I THINK, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SLOPPY INADVERTENT WORD USAGE PLAYS RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF THE DEFENSE.

THEY WANT THIS CASE TO BE THE TRIAL OF GEORGE FLOYD.

NOT DEREK CHAUVIN.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING ALL SORTS OF STUFF WHAT WAS IN GEORGE FLOYD'S SYSTEM THE DAY HE DIED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MUDDY THE WATERS OF WHAT WE ALL SAW.

THERE ARE LRCHES LESSONS HERE FOR JOURNALISTS OF ALL AGES.

WORDS MATTER, AND THE SECOND IS, AS ADAM SUGGESTED, IN THE HASTE TO SAVE A HALF A SECOND OR A SECOND, DON'T BE IN SUCH A RUSH IF IT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO TUMBLE DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE AND MESS UP AND GIVE THE WRONG IMPRESSION.

>> Rooney: THERE'S BEEN THIS PUSH CALLIE IN THE PAST, THE MASS MURDER SITUATION, NOT NAMING THE NAME OF A MASS MURDERER, FIRST NOT NAMING THE NAME OF A POLICE OFFICER WHO IS INVOLVED IN A MURDER BUT, YEAH WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO MENTION HIS NAME.

>> I'M SURE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF THESE CASES YOU WILL SEE A APPEARANCE PATTERN OF WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

PARTICULARLY ONE THAT IS AS HIGH PROFILE AS GEORGE FLOYD IT JUST CANNOT BE.

WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR JOURNALISM AND WHY WE USE THE NAMES THE WAY WE DO IT.

EVERYBODY'S RIGHT.

STOP SHORTHANDING THIS AND SAY WHO'S ON TRIAL.

>> Rooney: WE ALL KNOW THAT TWITTER CAN BE BOTH A USEFUL TOOL FOR SHARING INFORMATION AND A LOW-RENT SEWER SPEWING GARBAGE AND PACK OF LIES.

NOW THE QUESTION FOR "TEEN VOGUE" MAGAZINE: SHOULD RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC TWEETS FROM A TEENAGER MATTER WHEN THE WOMAN HAS APOLOGIZED AND IS SOON TO BE EDITOR IN CHIEF?

IF YOU HAVEN'T PERUSED "TEEN VOGUE" LATELY, ITS CONTENT IS INTRIGUING-- A GLOSSY MIX OF LIBERAL POLITICS, GIRL EMPOWERMENT, AND WHAT $4 LIP BALM HAILEY BIEBER WEARS.

BUT NOW, THE MAGAZINE FINDS ITSELF IN A POLITICAL STEW ALL ITS OWN.

AFTER HIRING 27-YEAR-OLD ALEXI McCAMMOND AS THE NEW EDITOR IN CHIEF, OLD TWEETS RESURFACED THAT SHE POSTED AT AGE 17, MOCKING ASIANS AND USING PHRASES LIKE "SO GAY" AND "HOMO."

>> HER TWEETS AND THE SENTIMENTS BEYOND THEM WERE RACIST, ABHORRENT AND INDEFENSIBLE, >> Rooney: THAT'S THE FORMER EDITOR OF "TEEN VOGUE," ELAINE WELTEROTH, WHO AGREES WITH THE SENTIMENTS OF SOME CURRENT STAFFERS WHO ARE PROTESTING McCAMMOND'S HIRING, POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

"WE HAVE WRITTEN TO CONDE NAST" ABOUT McCAMMOND'S "RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC TWEET," BASICALLY CALLING FOR HER FIRING.

BUT NOT EVERYONE IS ONBOARD WITH TOSSING McCAMMOND OVERBOARD.

>> IT SHOULD TAKE SOMETHING EXTREMELY EGREGIOUS FOR SOMEBODY TO LOSE THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

WE GOT TO CUT 17-YEAR-OLDS SOME SLACK.

>> Rooney: THAT'S WOSNY LAMBRE, HOST OF WOKE BROS, WHO BELIEVES THE "TEEN VOGUE" STAFF IS REALLY MORE UPSET THAT ONE OF THEM DIDN'T GET THE TOP JOB.

CAN STILL, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS HOW ACCOUNTABLE McCAMMOND SHOULD BE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID AS A TEENAGER, APOLOGIZED FOR YEARS AGO AND AGAIN THIS WEEK, APOLOGIES THAT FORMER STAFFERS ARE NOT ACCEPTING.

>> SHE NEEDS TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE, APOLOGIZE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE BLATANTLY RACIST TWEETS, NOT DISMISS THEM ARE MERELY BEING "INSENSITIVE."

>> Rooney: SO FAR, CONDE NAST IS STICKING BY THEIR HIRE.

SO LYLAH, YOU HAVE YOUNGER CHILDREN.

I WASN'T AWARE HOW WOKE TEEN VOGUE IS.

I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY -- I'M CERTAINLY GLAD TWITTER WASN'T AROUND WHEN I WAS 17.

NOT THAT I WOULD HAVE USED THEM, THOSE TERMS WOULDN'T HAVE COME TO ME, BUT THOSE PHRASES, THE VICIOUSNESS OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE COME AFTER HER SEEMS NOT -- DOESN'T RISE TO THE OCCASION HERE.

I MEAN I THINK SHE'S BEEN COMPROMISED, I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE CAN TAKE THE JOB EVEN THOUGH CONDE NAST CAN FIRE HER BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM T BE A FIREABLE OFFENSE AT THIS POINT.

>> IF TWITTER WAS AROUND IN THE 70s, 80S AND 90S THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYONE WHO COULD HOLD A HIGH POSITION IN THIS COUNTRY.

THERE IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO FOSTER ACCOUNTABILITY CULTURE INSTEAD OF COUNTERCULTURE.

IT IS GOOD SHE APOLOGIZED FOUR YEARS AGO, IT'S BETTER IF SHE APOLOGIZED NOW.

THE INTERNET IS FOREVER SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE TOOK IT DOWN.

NOW THE NEXT STEP IN ACCOUNTABILITY CULTURE IS HOLD HER TO IT.

DO BETTER AS A LEADER, DO BETTER IN ANYTHING YOU WRITE HOST OR SHARE AND CONTINUALLY FIGHT AGAINST THE TYPE OF THING THAT THEY SO CASUALLY EMBRACED WHEN THEY WERE TEENAGERS.

IF YOU DON'T GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO SHOW THAT THEY'VE CHANGED THEN I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN EVER MOVE FORWARD.

>> YEAH, EMILY, I DON'T THINK YOU AND I ARE TEEN VOGUE'S TARGET DEMO HERE.

I HAVE GOT FIVE YEARS OF THEM STACKED ON MY DESK, I HAVEN'T HAD CHANCE TO GET TO THEM YET.

THIS KIND OF MADE MY GLASSES FOG UP A BIT.

RACISM ANTIGAY SENTIMENT ARE MAICIALEN EXISTENTIAL STORIES -- EABT GAY STORIES OR AS AN EDITOR SPIKED IMPORTANT STORIES ON THOSE TOPICS OR MISTREATED ASIAN OR GAY EMPLOYEES, THAT'S A STORY.

THIS ISN'T.

THIS IS GOSSIP.

SHALL WE COMB THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA NEEDS OF HER ANTAGONISTS ON THE TEEN VOGUE STAFF?

SHALL WE REHASH THE ALLEGEDLY RACIST PRACTICES OF ULTRA BEAUTY THE MAIN TEEN ADVERTISER WHO PAUSED THEIR ADS OVER THIS?

IF THIS IS A SERIOUS STORY THEN YES.

IF IT IS UNSERIOUS INSIDER TRIVIA RATHER THAN JUST GOSSIP THEN NO.

>> I HAVE TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL I HAVE FOLLOWED TEEN VOGUE FOR SOME TIME.

I'VE EVEN QUOTED SOME OF THE MATERIALS IN COMMENTARIES I'VE WRITTEN.

THE MISSION OF TEEN VOGUE IS TO DO THE KINDS OF STORIES THAT WOULD UPLIFT THAT HER TWEETS AT THE AGE OF THE PEOPLE SHE'S NOW REPRESENTING IS TOTALLY DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED.

I KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO SAY OH THEY WERE SO YOUNG AT THE TIME.

YEAH I GET THAT ON THE ONE HAND.

ON THE OTHER HAND PEOPLE WANTS TO DISMISS THESE KINDS OF TWEETS IF IT'S RACIST, IF IT'S HOME PHOBIC.

THE MISSION IS TO DO BETTER IN THAT AREA.

ON TOP OF THAT AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAISE IN HATE CRIMES, AGAINST AAPI PEOPLE, BY THE WAY THERE WERE TWO BLACK EDITORS JUST AS YOUNG AS SHE WAS ABOUT BEFORE, LINDSAY WAGNER, SHE'LL BE THE THIRD BLACK EDITOR, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FOR SURE THAT HER PATTERN AND PRACTICE WHICH IS HOW I JUDGE TOO JON WHAT HAS SHE BEEN DOING SINCE THE FIRST APOLOGY?

IN THAT APOLOGY, SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO BE PROACTIVITY IN MAKING SURE THE KIND OF TWEETS AND THE SENTIMENTS THAT SHE PLACED THERE WERE THE PLATFORM SHE STOOD ON.

DIDN'T KNOW SHE DO THAT.

AT A TIME PEOPLE ARE SO WILLING TO SAY, SHE WAS 17, IT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING, WELL IT DOES MEAN SOMETHING TO PEOPLE, IT DOES.

>> YOU KNOW CALLIE'S POINT OF THIS BEING HER DEMOGRAPHIC, I DO THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SORT OF A FIXED PROTOCOL FOR HOW FAR BACK WE'RE GOING TO HOLD PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR REALLY STUPID OR WORSE THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT SAY.

SHE WAS 17.

IF SHE WERE 15, WOULD IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF SHE HAD SAID THESE THINGS WHEN SHE WAS 13?

WOULD THAT HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE?

I THINK THAT BEING VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR ABHORRENT VIEWS THEY'VE EXPRESSED IN THE PAST, CALLIE DIDN'T SAY THIS, I WILL SAY IT, I'M VERY GLAD SOCIAL MEDIA WASN'T AROUND WHEN I WAS SAKE STUPID STUFF AT 16 AND 17.

>> Rooney: TIME FOR OUR RANTS AND RAVES, I'LL START WITH LYLAH.

>> I'M GOING TO OFFER A RANT FOR TUCKER CARLSON, BELIT LING WOMEN IN THE MILITARY.

WE HAVE THE QUIP SO TAKE A LOOK.

>> SO, WE'VE GOT NEW HAIRSTYLES AND MATERNITY FLIGHT SUITS.

PREGNANT WOMEN ARE GOING TO FIGHT OUR WARS.

IT'S A MOCKERY OF THE U.S. MILITARY.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IT'S OUT OF CONTROL, AND THE PENTAGON IS GOING ALONG WITH THIS.

>> SO BUT AT THE SAME TIME I ALSO WANT TO OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF A RAVE FOR EVERY BRANCH OF THE U.S. MILITARY AND THE CANADIAN MILITARY THAT CLAPPED BACK ON TWITTER ON OTHER PARTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA WITH STATEMENTS SHOWING WOMEN IN THE MILITARY DOING THEIR DUTY, AND PERFORMING WITH HONORS, AND REALLY JUST ALL AROUND BEING INCREDIBLE.

>> Rooney: RIGHT.

>> ONE OF THEM WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO NOTE TUCKER HASN'T SERVED.

I THINK THAT'S WORTH NOTING AS WELL.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT, ADAM.

>> I WANT TO RAVE FOR THE JURY IN IOWA WHO DISMISSED ALL THE CHARGES AGAINST ANDREA SEHURI, THE JOURNAL WHO WAS PEPPER SPRAYED RIGHT BEFORE HER ARREST.

TAKE A LOOK.

>> I'M PRESS, I'M PRESS, I'M PRESS, I'M PRESS, I'M PRESS!

I'M GOING!

I'M PRESS, I'M PRESS!

I'M GOING!

I'M PRESS!

I'M WITH THE "DES MOINES REGISTER!"

I'M GOING!

I'M WITH THE "DES MOINES REGISTER!"

I'M WITH THE "DES MOINES REGISTER!"

I'M WITH THE "DES MOINES REGISTER!"

AHH!

I JUST GOT PEPPER SPRAYED IN ONE EYE!

>> I'M GLAD WE SHOWED THAT WHOLE VIDEO.

BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT HAVE WORKED HARDER FOR LONGER TO IDENTIFY HERSELF AS PRESS.

THE ARGUMENT THAT THE PRESS MADE SHE WAS THERE AN HOUR AND A HALF AFTER DISPERSE ORDERS WERE GIVEN.

PRECISELY THAT'S WHEN I WANT MANY REPORTERS ON HAND TO DOCUMENT POLICE ABUSE.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT JON.

>> I HAVE A RAVE FOR CASSANDRA McGRATH.

THEY ABSOLUTELY SHREDDED THE UNIVERSITY'S BOGUS SPIN ABOUT WHY AFTER BRINGING THE FRESHMEN BACK ON CAMPUS IN LATE JANUARY THEY HAD ONE OF THE LARGEST OUTBURSTS OF COVID INFECTIONS IN THE NORTHEAST.

TURNED OUT IT WAS A RESULT OF POOR PLANNING, POOR EXECUTION OF THE PLANS THEY HAD.

THEY HAD REPORTERS FOLLOWING KIDS AT NIGHTS, LOOKING FOR UNMASKED PARTIES.

IT SPEAKS TO THE IMPORTANCE OF CAMPUS MEDIA IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON THE CONVENTION AT OR COMMERCIAL MEDIA, OFTEN CAN'T REALLY GIVE THESE IMPORTANT INSTITUTIONS THE SCRUTINY THEY DESERVE.

GREAT JOB BY THE KIDS AT UMASS.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT CALLIE.

>> LAST SEPTEMBER AROUND THOSE PARTS YOU REMEMBER I GAVE A TEMPERED RAVE TO A NEWS OUTLET CALLED NEWS NATION ON WGN CABLE.

I WAS KIND OF INTERESTED IN IT.

THEIR MOTTO IS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPIN EVERYTHING, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE STRAIGHT NEWS, WE'RE TIRED OF NEWS ANYWHERE, AND THAT IDEA IS IMPLODED, AFTER THEY BROUGHT PEOPLE FROM ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO PUT THIS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE A LOCALLY FOCUSED BUT YET NATIONAL PROGRAM, SEEMED TO BE GOING WELL FOR A WHILE.

I GUESS THEY DIDN'T GET THE RATINGS THEY WANT SO THEY'VE COMPLETELY TURNED THAT OUT AND NOW THEY'RE OPINION ALL THE TIME.

AND THE JOURNALISTS THAT WE WOULD KNOW AND SUPPORT, A LOT OF THEM HAVE RESIGNED.

SO IT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A LOCALLY BASED PROGRAM WITH A NATIONAL FOCUS.

>> Rooney: SO MUCH FOR THAT.

I HAVE A RANT TONIGHT.

THIS IS FROM LIVERMORE, MAINE, WGME, REPORTER TAYLOR CARNES, HEAVILY ARMED SUSPECT THREE HOSTAGES, HE SUDDENLY GETS A PHONE CALL TO THE HOSTAGE TAKER, HANDS HIS PHONE OVER TO THE STATE POLICE, THE POLICE THEN POSE AS THE REPORTER AND ARE TALKING TO THIS GUY.

THIS IS MISTAKES ALL AROUND ON THE REPORTER'S PART OFTEN THE STATE POLICE PART AND IT ENDED BADLY.

THE HOSTAGE-TAKER WAS KILLED OR THE THREE HOSTAGES WERE SAFE BUT BIG MISTAKE ALL AROUND AND I UNDERSTAND THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT BUT THAT WAS A PANIC SITUATION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THOUGHT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFULLY.

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