Braude: TONIGHT ON GREAT GREAT, "NEW YORK MAGAZINE'S" REBECCA TRAISTER JOINS ME ON HER DEEP DIVE INTO THE RECENT ALGZS AGAINST NEW YORK GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO AND AS HE PUTS IT THE VENAL TOX x+*ISZIT WITH HAS CAREER.

PLUS THE CHALLENGING AHEAD IN CHELSEA, ONE OF THE CITIES HIT HARDEST BY COVID.

AND LATER, BOSTON GLOBE NFL WRITER BEN VOLIN ON THE PATRIOTS TERRIBLE, NO GOOD VERY BAD 2020 SEASON, AND BILL BELICHICK APPARENT SOLUTION BUYINGING A NEW TEAM.

BROADA PLANE THROUGH OVER ALBANY YESTERDAY FLYING A BANNER THAT RED QUOEM QUOEM'S GOT TO GO.

AND PRESIDENT BIDEN WEIGHED IN ADDING TO THE MOUNT BE PRESSURE ON GOVERNOR CUOMO OVER ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP AND VAULT.

SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

>> I THINK HE'LL END UP BEING >> BECAUSE OF THE ALLEGATIONS, THE GOVERNOR HAS LOST THE CONFIDENCE OF HIS GOVERNING PARTNERS AND OF MANY NEW YORKERS, AND HE SHOULD STEP DOWN.

>> I THINK THE GOVERNOR SHOULD RESIGN, BECAUSE BEGAN, THERE'S SO >> Braude: CUOMO WAS FIRST BELIEVE PUBLICLY ACCUSED OF HARASSMENT WHEN LINDSEY BOYLAN CLAIMED HE WAS HARASSED ABOUT HER LOOKS FOR YEARS.

SHE PUBLISHED SAYING THAT THE GOVERNOR WAS KISSING HER, AND UNSOLICITED AND WITHOUT WARNING.

>> A FEW DAYS LATER, ANOTHER FORMER AIDE SAID CUOMO ASKED ABOUT HER SEX LIFE, AND ASKED IF SHE HAD SEX WITH OLDER MEN WHICH HE INTERPRETED AS AN EVERATURE.

>> IN THE DAYS COMING FORWARD, LETITIA JAMES ANNOUNCESED AN INVESTIGATION.

IN THE FOLLOWING DAYS MORE WOMEN CAME FORWARD WITH SIMILAR CLAIMS ACCUSING THE GOVERNOR OF TOUCHING INAPPROPRIATELY AND MAKING SEXUALIZED COMMENTS, AND A WEEK AGO, THE TIMES PUBLISHED SAYING CUOMO AGGRESSIVELY GROPED HER AFTER SHE WAS SUMMONED TO THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION LATE LAST YEAR.

AFTER THAT REPORT LAWMAKERS OPENED AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND ALBANY POLICE CONFIRMED THEY WERE NOTIFIED OF THE ALLEGATIONS.

CUOMO STAUNCHLY DENIED THE ALLEGATIONS.

HERE'S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY IN A PRESS CONFERENCE.

>> I NOW UNDERSTAND THAT I ACT DACTED IN A WAY THAT MADE PEOPLE FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> IT WAS UNINTENTIONAL, AND I TRULY AND DEEPLY APOLOGIZE FOR IT.

I'M NOT GOING >> Braude: ADMAPTLY HOLDING ON TO POWER, AND THE GOVERNOR WAS CELEBRATED FOR LEADERSHIP IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE PANDEMIC AND NOW INVESTIGATED FOR DEATHS IN THE NURSING HOMES.

AND DELVEED INTO THE WORKPLACE THAT FOSTERED ALL OF THIS, DETAILS WHAT ONE STAFFER DESCRIBED AS "TOTAL MASCULINE TOXIC >> I'M JOINED BY REBECCA TRAISTER, A WRITER AT LARGE FOR "NEW YORK MAGAZINE'S", AND ALSO THE AUTHOR OF A TERRIFIC BOOK, GOOD, MAD, THE REVOLUTIONARY POWER OF WOMEN'S ANGER.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, JIM.

>> HE'S A BULLYING, LYING SEXUAL HARASSING BOSS.

AND AS YOU SAID, VENAL TOXICITY.

SHOULD WE KNOW THIS AND CHOOSE TO IGNORE, IT OR BUY WHAT HE WAS SELLING, AS HE SAID, AMERICA'S GOVERNOR?

>> I THINK THAT TO SOME OF HIS APPROACH TO POLITICS, INCLUDING THE BULLYING, THE YELLING, THE AGGRESSION, AND TO SOME DEGREE CORRUPTION.

ONE OF HIS CLOSE EFTD AIDES IS IN PRISON ON CORRUPTION CHARGE.

WE HAVE A LONG MODEL IN THE UNITED STATES FOR A CERTAIN KIND OF PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, WHITE PATRIARCHAL POWER.

WE ARE COMFORTABLE, AND NORMALIZED AN APPROACH TO POLITIC THAT IS WE KNOW THE DESCRIPTION OF IT, HARD KNUCKLE POLITICS.

IN VIEW OF POLITICAL POWER THEY FEEL VERY OFTEN CONFUSES BRUTALITY WITH STRENGTH OR COMMITMENT, ESPECIALLY FROM AN OLD FASHIONED QUITE OF BRUTE AGGRESSIVE POLITICIAN.

THERE'S A LINE FOR MANY YEARS, AND EVEN A FEW WEEKS AGO ON A REPORT OF HIS BULLYING IN THE "NEW YORK MAGAZINE'S" WHERE SOME PEOPLE CALLED HIM A MASTER OF POLITICAL THEATER AND SAID IT WAS A GOOD THING.

SAID YOU HAVE TO ADMIT IT'S EFFECTIVE.

PART OF THAT I SAID REPORTING THIS PIECE IS REALLY THERE IS A LOT OF FALSE MYTH MAKING AROUND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS AGGRESSIVE BULLYING APPROACH TO LEADERSHIP >> Braude: SPEAKING OF BULLYING, LYING, AND SEXUALLY HARASSING, AND EXPERT HATING AND POLICY AVOIDING, OTHER THAN SERIALLY SEXUALLY ASSAULTING, WANT ANTI-GOVERNOR IS DONALD TRUMP BY YOUR ACCOUNT.

>> THERE'S COMMONALTIES.

>> THEY BOTH HAVE A DRIVE TOWARD THE CAMERAS AND PUBLIC PERFORMANCE OF THEIR AUTHORITY AND DOMNESS THAT.

HATE DRIVES THEM OUT OF GFTD INSTITUTIONS, AND THEN THIS APPROACH TO OBJECTIFICATION, AND THE MAINTENANCE OF POWER TO ITS >> Braude: YOU'RE RIGHT.

I WANT TO GET THIS CLOSE TO RIGHT, APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE.

EXTREMITY IS A EXAMPLE TO THE WEINSTEIN CASE ABOUT WORKPLACE.

I GOOD THAT RIGHT MOSTLY.

FLUSH THAT OUT IF YOU WOULD, REBECCA?

>> IN THE WAKE OF THE WEINSTEIN REPORTING, ON SEXUAL PREDIDATION.

AND THE HASH TAG THAT FOLLOWED, WE DID GET BETTER AT UNDERSTANDING HOW SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS A FORM OF SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION AND WORKPLACE MISCONDUCT AND HARM.

BUT WE SOMETIMES WEREN'T RIGHT ABOUT BROADENING OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WORKPLACE, AND POWER ABUSE WITHIN WORKPLACES.

AND I THINK THIS STORY, AND THE STORY OF ANDREW CUOMO AND SPECIFICALLY, HARVEY WOOx+*IP STEIN BEFORE HE WAS AUNITED STATES COOED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT WAS KNOWN BY CUOMO AS A BULLY, WHO SCREAMED AND THREW THINGS AND ATTACKS PEOPLE.

I MYSELF WAS PRESENT FOR HARVEY WEINSTEIN WHEN I WAS A YOUNG REPORTER, AND AGAIN CUOMO, THAT'S JUST HARVEY BEING Ax+*EFSH, , AND THAT'S HOW POWER IT, IT'S JUST A POWERFUL MAN BEING POWERFUL.

BECAUSE WE'VE NORMALIZED THOSE KIND OF POWER ABUSES AND CONNECTED THEM TO BEING EFFECTSIVE OR BEING GREAT AT OUR JB OR TOP IN YOUR INDUSTRY.

WHAT HAS BEEN OBSCURED IS A LOT OF HARM.

A LOTTED OF DISCRIMINATION AND OBJECTIFICATION AND A LOT OF BAD WORK, IN THE CASE OF ANDREW CUOMO.

BAD GOVERNANCE.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, YOU SPOKE TO US, I THINK YOU SAID 30 WOMEN CAN A CONNECTION, 30 WECHL WORKED WITH HIM IN SOME CAPACITY.

DID VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY, OTHER THAN HIGH LEVEL STAFF WHO WERE HIS PRIMARY DEFENDERS RMENT WERE THERE OUTLIEERS OR DID THEY ALL AGREE.

>> THE UNIFORMITY OF THE RESPONSES I GOT FROM PEOPLE -- EVERYBODY HAD DIFFERENT STORIES OR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

A FEW WERE STILL BROAD OF THE WORK THEY HAD DONE WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT, SOME OTHERS SAID NOTHING GOT DONE.

THERE WERE DIFFERENT FEELINGS ON THE QUALITY OF THE WORK DONE WEAPON THE ADMINISTRATION, AS FAR AS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WORKPLACE PRACTICES, I HEARD THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

PATTERNS THAT WERE SO CLEAR, AND THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF HIS GOVERNORSHIP.

FROM HIS FIRST TERM RIGHT UP THROUGH THE SUMMER OF 2020 WHEN HE WAS HAILED AS AMERICA'S GOVERNOR FOR HAVING GOVERNED WELL THROUGH COVID WHICH TURNS OUT ALSO TO HAVE BEEN A LOT OF >> THE ONE STORY I THINK OF FROM A READER, CAITLYN, WHO HE MET WHEN SHE WAS WORKING FOR A LOBBYING FIRM FOR MAYBE -- I THINK YOU DESCRIBED IT -- I HAVE IT RIGHT FUR TWO MINUTES.

CAN YOU TELL THAT >> CAITLYN WAS 27, AND HAD JUST GOTTEN A NEW JOB AND BEEN THEIR A FEW WEEKS WHEN SHE STAFFED A FUND RAISER FOR CUOMO.

WHEN HE CAME OVER TO GREET THE PEOPLE WORKING AT THE FUND RAISER, HE MADE A BEE LINE OF HER AND TOOK HER IN AN AWKWARD DANCE MOVE, UNUSUAL, NOT PROFESSIONAL APPROACH TO SOMEBODY.

CHEEK TO CHEEK, AND IN FRONT OF A CAMERA TO TAKE A PICTURE, AND SAID TO HER RIGHT OFF THE BAT -- SHE SAID SHE USED TO WORK FOR ANOTHER POLITICIAN.

HE SAID YOU'LL SOON BE WORKING IN STATE GOVERNMENT.

SHE DIDN'T BD WHEN HE MEANT.

A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER, SHE GOT A CALL TO COME IN FOR A JOB INTERVIEW.

SHE DESCRIBES KNOWING THE WHOLE TIME, THIS COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN ABOUT HER APPEARANCE.

HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSZ ABOUT HER.

HE MADE HER FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IN A MOMENT, IN A PROFESSIONAL SETTING WITH NEW COLLEAGUES, AND AFTERWARDS EVERYONE WAS SAYING THE GOVERNOR LIKES YOU.

WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS SHE WAS SUMMONED TO HIS OFFICE, HER NEW BOSSES AND LONG TIME MENTORS AGREED, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, HE'S THE GOVERNOR, VU TO GO FOR THE INTERVIEW.

WITHIN A WEEK SHE WAS OFFERED A JOB THAT SHE WAS TOLD BY SUPERIORS SHE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO TAKE, AND SHE DESCRIBED IN GREAT AND MOVING DETAIL SO MANY INSTANCES OF THE DIMINUTION AND DEMEANING TREATMENT, AND THE EXPERIENCE SHE HAD WORKING >> Braude: REBECCA, THE THING THAT GOT HIM IN TROUBLE BEFORE THIS IS THE x+*USHD COUNTING OF THE NUMBER OF DEATHS.

IRONICALLY AT THE SAME TIME WINNING AN EMMY AND BEING CELEBRATED FOR BEING THE STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS ON COVID WITH THIS DAILY PRESS BRIEFINGS, THAT WERE JUXPOSED WITH HIS TOTAL CRAP FROM TRUMP.

THAT TOO WAS NOT ABERRATIONAL IN TERMS OF HIS MANIPULATION, YOU MENTIONED THE MORE LAND COMMISSION.

I HEARD IN NEW YORK A WHILE AGO.

THE COMMISSION LOOKING INTO PUBLIC CORRUPTION DIDN'T LIKE WHERE THEY WERE GOING, CORRECT?

>> HE SAID WITHIN A YEAR OF SOUNDING IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT REPORTING ON IT.

AFTER HAVING BEEN FOUND TO OBSTRUCT, AND GOT TOO CLOSE TO ASSOCIATES.

>> IT'S SO TRUMPIAN.

I KNOW I SAID IT, BUT THE MORE WE TALK AND THINK ABOUT YOUR PIECE, YOU COULD HAVE JUXPOSED ONE NAME FOR THE OTHER AND CHANGED THE LOCATION, AND YOU GET THE SAME GUY.

EXPLAIN A FEW NUMBERS TO ME IN LIGHT OF EVERYBODY WROTE AND EVERYBODY YOU'RE SAYING, HE'S A POLL.

TWO PIECES FROM IT THE PAST MONDAY.

DO YOU THINK GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO SHOULD RESIGN?

>> WE'VE NORMALIZED THESE POWERS, RIGHT?

THE THING WE SPOKE ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING, HE WAS A CRUEL BULLY WAS PUBLIC FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE'VE HAD THE NARRATIVE OVER CENTURIES THAT TELL US ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS A POWERFUL PICTURE OF A WHITE MAN FROM A POWERFUL FAMILY, HE'S A THROUGH TERM GOVERNOR, AND WIDELY BELOVED SO HE TOO WAS AGGRESSIVE.

HIS STYLE WAS AGGRESSIVE, AND WE'VE BEEN RAISED ON THE IDEA THAT BEING AGGRESSIVE IN THAT WAY IF YOU'RE A POWERFUL WHITE MAN IS A SIGN OF PROFICIENCY, AND IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO READJUST OUR THINKING ON WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, WHAT IS EFFICIENT GOOD GOVERNANCE.

SO THIS IS A PROCESS.

LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE LESS POWER TELL STORIES HOW THEY WERE ABUSED AND SIDELINED AND DISCRIMINATEDED AGAINST, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A LONG TERM PROJECTED FOR ALL OF US.

>> SO, IN THE MINUTE WE HAVE REMAINING, NOSTRADAMUS TIME, IN THE HANDS OF FELLOW DEMOCRATS WITHIN THE LEGISLATURE, WILL THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY BE ABLE TO BEGIN AT LEAST.

THE DEMOCRATIC ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, MANY IN HIS STATE, INCLUDING THE TWO MOST POWERFUL SENATORS THERE, CALLING FOR HIS RESIGNATION -- DOES HE OUTLAST THEM ALL?

>> THERE'S RECENT MODELS HOW YOU OUTLAST THIS.

IF YOU LOOK TO VIRGINIA AND SEE RALPH NORTHAM, AND JUSTIN NORFAX, AND THE LT.

GOVERNOR WHO NORTHAM WAS FOUND TO HAVE PARTICIPATEED IN BLACK FACE IN MEDICAL SCHOOL.

ACCUSED BY TWO WOMEN ON THE RECORD OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, AND THEY STAYED.

FAIRFAX IS CURRENTLY FUNING FOR GOVERNOR IN VIRG VIRNL.

THAT'S VIRGINIA.

IT'S A TRUMPIAN APPROACH.

IS THERE A WAY CUOMO CAN STAY IN POWER.

OF COURSE THERE IS.

IT'S THE DIRECTION HE'S HEADED IN.

BUT WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF REPORTING.

WE'RE READING ACCOUNTS FROM PEOPLE JUST COMING FORWARD.

HE HAS CREATED SUCH A CULTURE OF FEAR THAT PERSUADING PEOPLE TO COME AND TELL THEIR STORIES IS A LONG PROCESS.

I THINK THERE MAY BE MORE THAT WE LEARN IN COMING WEEKS AND DAYS, AND YOU KNOW, VOTERS AND FELLOW DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO DIGEST THE STORY THAT IS THEY ARE READING AND HEARING ABOUT IN THE NEWS IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

I CAN'T OFFER A PREDICTION WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A GIVEN THAT HE'S GOING ANYWHERE.

>> >> Braude: REBECCA TRAISTER, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK.

>> >> Braude: IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE PANDEMIC, CHELSEA BECAME ONE OF THE WORST HIT PLACES IN THE STATE AND STAYED THAT WAY.

RECENTLY CASE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN DROPPING.

AS WE REPORT, THERE'S HURDLES AHEAD, INCLUDING RESIDENTS A VACCINE IS NOT ONLY SAFE, BUT CRITICAL.

>> WE WILL BE HANDING OUT THESE FLYERS, ENGLISH AND SPANISH.

>> VOLUNTEERS FOR CHELSEA'S NON-PROFIT ARE PREPARING TO HIT THE STREET.

>> WE'VE MADE UP THE LIBERALS -- >> THEY'RE GOING DOOR TO DOOR IN A CITY SCARRED BY COVID TO REMIND PEOPLE THEY NEED TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS AND CONVINCE THEM TO GET VACCINES.

LONG TIME DOCTOR, JULIET LAYS OUT QUESTIONS THEY GET.

>> THE ANSWER IS NO.

IS THERE A VACCINE THAT WILL LOCATE ME IN THE FUTURE.

CAN I FIND IT?

>> THIS ORGANIZATION HAS DEEP ROOTS IN A COMMUNITY THAT'S NEARLY HALF IMMIGRANT.

AND THEIR FOOD PAPTRY PANTLY STARTED A YEAR AGO IS FLOODED.

AND THE PHONE CALLS ARE FLOODED ABOUT THE VACCINE.

CHELSEA IS NOT A COVID RED ZONE, BUT THERE'S REASON TO BE WARY.

SOME OF THE HIGHEST RATES IN THE STATE RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE POPULATION.

WHEN WILL WE BE OUT OF THE RED ZONE.

IT MEANS PEOPLE GET LAID BACK AND GET THEIR GUARD DOWN.

>> AND >> Reporter: SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING FLAT OUT.

IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MAPS ARE HANDED OUT.

AND VOLUNTEERS HERE ON SAMPLING ATTITUDES ABOUT THE VACCINE.

THIS WOMAN WHO DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE HER NAME SAYS SHE'S NERVOUS.

>> AFTER WHAT I HEARD ABOUT THE VACCINE, NO.

I DON'T THINK I'M TAKING IT.

(SPEAKING SPANISH.

>> Reporter: CHELSEA RESIDENT TOLD ME PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT SIDE EFFECTS.

HE WANTS TO WAIT BECAUSE HE BELIEVES THE VACCINE WILL BE IMPROVED OVER TIME.

(SPEAKING SPANISH) >> Reporter: 68-YEAR-OLD MARIA PEREZ KNEW SHE NEEDED THE VAX EEP.

SHE BRUSHED ASIDE MYTHS BUT STRUGGLED UNTIL A FRIEND TOOK HER TO THE CLINIC IN DOWNTOWN CHELSEA.

THE CLINIC IS A SIGN OF HARD WON PROGRESS WITH A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE EAST BOSTON NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTH CENTER.

BUT THERE'S STILL A LASK TRUST IN BOTH HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AND THE GOVERNMENT.

>> I KNOW THINGS ABOUT CHANGED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL AND WHAT NAVY HEARD OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS IN TERMS OF PUBLIC CHARGE, AND DEPORTATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I THINK THAT'S STILL HAPPENING TODAY WITH RESIDENTS OF CHELSEA.

>> Reporter: AND LIKE EVERYWHERE, VIRUS FATIGUE IS SETTING IN.

THE DOCTOR IS URGING THEM TO KEEP WEARING MASKS AND KEEP SOCIAL DISTANCING.

SHE'S WORRIED VIRUS MUTATIONS COULD BRING ANOTHER WAVE.

IF THE STATE OPENS TOO QUICKLY A CITY LIKE CHELSEA COULD BEAR THE BRUNT.

LINDSEY BOYLAN, NEWS.

>> >> Braude: DREAMS TO BRING THE VACCINE TO THE NEW ENGLAND PRODUCE CENTER IN CHELSEA, THE LARGEST SUPPLIER OF PRODUCE IN THE REGION.

MANY CAN'T TAKE TIME OFF TO GET THE VACCINE.

SHE SAYS THOSE WORKERS SHOULD BE SEEN LIKE THE NURSES.

>> NEXT UP, FANS WHO ARE USED TO A PATRIOTS WINNING SEASON WAS AS DISAPPOINTING AS THE NEWS OF TOM BRADY LEAVING THE TEAM.

>> AFTER LOSING MORE GAMES THAN THEY WON IN 20 YEARS AND FAILING TO MAKE THE PLAY-OFFS, IT'S CLEAR THE PATRIOTS NEEDED A CHANGE, AND HEAD COACH, BELICHICK IS MAKING A LOT OF CHANGES.

AS BEN VOLIN EXPLAINS, WHEN PLAYERS WITH FREE AGENT STATUS BECAME AVAILABLE MONDAY, BELICHICK WAS EXTRAVAGANT, SPECIALLY BUYING AIL NEW TEAM FOR 2021.

BEN JOINED ME YESTERDAY, HOW ARE YOU BEN?

>> DOING WELL.

WHO IS THIS PERSON RUNNING THE PATRIOTS?

WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH BILL CHICK.

>> WERE YOU ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

>> THEY WERE ARMED WITH A LOT OF CASH AND HOLES ON THE TEAM, AND LAST CAREER!a WAS UNACCEPTABLE, WANT ONLY THE 7-9 RECORD, AND LITTLE TALENT, ESPECIALLY OFFENSE.

AND TOM BRADY GOING TO TAMPA AND WINNING A SUPER BOWL IN THE FIRST SEASON RAISED THE STAKES FOR THE PATRIOTS AND THEY HAD TO RESPOND FORCEFULLY.

NONE OF THIS SCRAPING THE BARGAIN BARREL FOR FREE AGENTS AND JUST TRYING TO EKE BY WITH COACHING SPECIAL SPECIAL TEAMS.

THERE WERE STATEMENTS ABOUT OVERPAYING FOR PLAYERS AND GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE TOP OF THE LINE FREE AGENTS AND REBUILDING THE TEAM ON THE FLY.

LAST YEAR WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

THEY HAVEN'T DRAFTED WELL.

THEY HAD TO BUY A >> Braude: WELL I MAY EXPOSE BIAS, AND YOU HAVE TO DRAISED THIS, BUT IS THE PRIMARY MOTIVATION FROM BELICHICK THAT HE HATES LOSING GAMES OR WAS IT BRADY OR BELICHICK DEBATE ABOUT THE LAST 20 YEARS?

I'M OBSESSED WITH THE LATTER AND BELIEVE THAT'S THE PRIMARY DRIVER.

AM I BEING UNFAIR?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO WONDER ABOUT THAT.

I KNOW THE PATRIOTS HAVE PRIVATELY SAID NO, THE SPENDING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

WE HAVE THE MONEY AND THIS IS THE PLAN.

WE HAVE THE CASH, AND ALL THIS SPENDING MONEY THIS YEAR, AND IT'S A DOWN MARKET AND THIS AND THAT I DEFINITELY THINK TOM BRADY WINNING THE SUPER BOWL RAISED THE VOLUME TO EVEN FOR THE PATRIOTS.

IT WAS WANT GOOD, FOR EXAMPLE FOR BRAID TOW GO DOWN.

>> BELICHICK SAID HE IF HE EVER MADE THE PLAY-OFFS WITHOUT TOM BRADY.

AND KRAFT TOO, THEY WANT TO MAKE A FLASHY MOVE.

THAT WAS DEFINITELY PART OF IT, AND THE OTHER PARTED OF IT.

LET'S NOT FORGET, I THINK DON SHULA, THE OLD DOLPHINS COACH HAS THE RECORD FOR WINS WITH 347.

AND >> Bill: CHICK IS 45 AWAY OR SO.

HE WANT THAT IS RECORD, AND HE WANTS IT NOW.

HOW MANY FOR YEARS GO BELICHICK >> Braude: I HEAR YOU ON SPORTS RADIO FROM TIME TO TIME.

I DON'T LISTENA A LISTENER.

I LISTEN FAIR TO SAY, AS A SOCIALIOLOGISTS EXPLORING THE MINDS OF THE HOSTS.

I'VE LISTEN FOR 10 MINUTES HERE AND THERE.

THERE'S NEVER A MENTION OF THE BRUINS.

NO MENTION OF THE CELTICS.

I THINK THEY HAVE A TEAM.

NEVER A MENTION OF THE RED SOX IN SPRING TRAINING.

IT'S 100%, NOT JUST THE PATRIOTS, BUT IS CAM NEWTON WORTH RESIGNING, AND TOM BRAID SEGONE.

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE UNENDING OBSESSION WITH ONE TEAM, AND ALMOST ONE POSITION TO THE EXCLUSION OF EVERYTHING ELSE?

>> FOOTBALL IS THE NATIONAL PAST TIME.

YOU KNOW, THE BEST EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, JIM, IS THE MEGAN MARKLE AND PRINCE HARRY INTERVIEW.

ACCEPTED BY PEOPLE, AND A HUGE WIN FOR THE NETWORK.

BUT THEY WERE LIKE A DOZEN NFL GAMES THAT GOT HIGHER RATINGS >> Braude: INCREDIBLE.

>> FOIBLE CHANGED IN THE COUNTRY.

PATRIOTS WERE A DIECHB AFTY AND INTEREST IS ALL-TIME HIGH, AND TOM BRADY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE QUARTERBACK.

THE BRUINS WILL GET THEIR DUE DURING THE PLAY-OFF TIME.

BUT THE PATE DWROTS ARE THE THE ONLY 12 MONTH A YEAR TEAM AROUND HERE, AND REALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SO MUCH INTEREST AND WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT ALL >> Braude: RETURN TO THE BRADY BELICHICK THING.

I ASSUME IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE.

I HOPE I DIDN'T GET THE CHRONOLOGY WRONG.

THE PATRIOTS ANNOUNCED THE RESIGNING OF THE QUARTERBACK WHO ARGUEABLY HAD THE WORST PERFORMANCE, CAM NEWTON, WHO DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT YEAR, WHAT IS IT AN HOUR LATER THAT TOM BRADY HIMSELF ANNOUNCES HIS EXTENSION OF HIS CONTRACTED WITH TAMPA BAY?

FIRST, DID I GET THAT RIGHT?

TWO, IF I DID, IT WAS NOT A COINCIDENCE, CORRECT?

>> YOU DID GET THAT RIGHT.

I DO THINK IT WAS COINCIDENCE.

I DON'T THINK BRADY WAS TRYING TO RUB >> Braude: OH, PLEASE.

>> THE CONTRACT EXTENSION WAS NOT A TRADITIONAL CONTRACT EXTENSION.

IT WAS JUST A SALARY CAP BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOT OF FREE AGENTS TO BRING BACK, AND WANT A LOT OF CASH.

THEY REWORKED BRADY'S CONTRACT, AND TACKED ON PHONY YEARS TO SPREAD OUT THE CAP MONEY AND ALLOWS THEM TO BRING BACK GRONK AND SHACK BARREN, AND ALL THE GUYS THEY WANTED TO RESIGN.

IT WAS CERTAINLY A COINCIDEAL LOOK, BUT I DON'T THINK BRADY WAS RUBBING IN.

HE DID ALL THE RUBBING IN HE NEEDED TO WHEN HE WON THE >> Braude: BEFORE YOU GO, SPEAKING OF BRADY, THERE'S NOTHING THAT MAKES ME HAPPIER THAN SEEING SOMEONE I DON'T LIKE SQUIRM.

I'M WATCHING COVERAGE OF THE ANNUAL MEETING DAY, FOR ROGER GOODELL AND WHO POCHS UP -- YOU -- FIVE YEARS OOFR THE FACT, DOES HE REGRET THE PENALTY HE HANDED OUT TO THE GUY FOR THE LAST FIVE SUPER BOWLS.

DID YOU ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE YOU WERE INTERESTED IN THE ANSWER OR YOU WANTED TO TORTURE HIM?

>> I THINK CAL RIPKEN ASKED GOODELL A QUESTION AT THE SUPER BOWL, IT'S REALLY FIVE OR SIX YEARS RUNNING NOW.

TOM BRADY KEEPS PLAYING IN THE GAME.

>> DON'T OVERTHINK IT >> THE HARSHNESS OF THE PEMENTS, AND ROGER GOODELL AVOIDED THE QUESTION.

I WONDER IF THERE'S REGRET ON THE NFL SIDE GOING SO HARD AFTER THE GAME'S MOST ICONIC PLAYER IS REDEFINING IT.

>> Braude: JUST MAKE SURE WHEN BRAID SEIN NEXT YEAR'S SUPER BOWL YOU ASK THE SAME QUESTION, BEN VOLIN.

BEN, GREAT TO SEE YOU, THANKS FOR YOUR WORK.

>> THANKS FOR >> Braude: THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

WE'LL TAKE UP THE COVERAGE OF SIX ASIAN AMERICAN WOMEN, AND TWO OTHERS IN ATLANTA, AND THE BOSTON GLOBE NEW JUSTICE, THE SOCIAL >> EMANCIPAT SOCIAL JUSTICE PLATFORM, "THE EMANCIPATOR."

THAT AND MORE, TOMORROW AT 7:00.

I'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.

THANKS FOR WATCHING AND STAY SAFE.

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