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>> BELIEVE ME, THEY'VE BEEN TAKING STOCK.

>> EUROPE FACES A WORLD OF CHALLENGES AS TERRORISM STRIKES RUSSIA WITH AT LEAST 137 PEOPLE KILLED.

AND ISRAEL POUNDS GAZA, ALLOWING LITTLE FOOD AID THROUGH.

THE U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL CALLS OUT MORAL OUTRAGE AND JOSEPH BURRELL JOINS ME.

>>> THEN PUTIN POINTS A FINGER AT UKRAINE DESPITE ISIS CLAIMING THE ATTACK.

I DISCUSS THE STRATEGY WITH AN EXPERT.

>>> BACK FROM GAZA, THE HEAD OF DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS GIVES A FIRSTHAND ACCOUNT OF THE SITUATION INSIDE HOSPITALS THERE.

>>> ALSO AHEAD -- >> I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO TELL YOU, I AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

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>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR IN LONDON AND WE START WITH TERROR AND TRAUMA AROUND THE WORLD.

FOUR MEN FROM TAJIKISTAN HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH THE KILLING IN MOSCOW.

ISIS HAS CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY BUT THE KREMLIN SAID WITHOUT EVIDENCE THAT UKRAINE PLAYED A ROLE, KYIV CALLS THE ALLEGATIONS ABSURD.

RUSSIA CONTINUES ITS ASSAULT ON UKRAINE WITH HEAVY MISSILE ATTACKS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AN ALLEGED HOSTAGE DEAL HANGS IN THE BALANCE, AND DEATH TOLL IN GAZA REACHES OVER 32,000 AMIDST FEARS OF AN ISRAELI OFFENSIVE IN RAFAH.

WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WHAT IS YOUR IMMEDIATE REACTION TO THE TERROR ATTACK IN MOSCOW THAT SO FAR 137 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED AND THERE MAY BE MORE.

WHO DO YOU THINK DID IT?

>> IT'S REALLY AWFUL AND WE CONDEMN IT IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS.

A TERRORIST ATTACK AGAINST CIVILIANS HAS TO BE CONDEMNED WHEREVER IT HAPPENS.

AND THIS HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY TRAGIC, SO MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED BY THESE CRAZY PEOPLE.

>> I DON'T HAVE CONCRETE INFORMATION, ONLY KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED.

BUT I DON'T THINK LINKING UKRAINE TO THIS TERRORIST ATTACK MAKES SENSE.

UKRAINIANS ARE NOT FIGHTING AGAINST THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE, THEY'RE FIGHTING AGAINST AN ARMY WHO HAS INVADED THEM.

I DON'T SEE THAT IT CAN BE LINKED TO UKRAINIANS.

ISIS HAS BEEN ASKING FOR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS CRIME.

>> AND THEY'VE RELEASED BODY CAM VIDEO AS WELL.

DOES THE EU DESPITE MAJOR DIFFERENCES WITH RUSSIA OVER UKRAINE, DO YOU HAVE INTELLIGENCE COOPERATION WITH RUSSIA?

>> INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE COOPERATE WITH INTELLIGENCE PEOPLE, YES.

>> OKAY.

WHY DO YOU THINK PUTIN WOULD BE PUBLICLY BLAMING UKRAINE?

>> WELL WE ARE AFRAID AND CONCERNED BY THE FACT THAT PUTIN MAY USE TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY INCREASING ATTACKS IN UKRAINE.

IN FACT IT HAS HAPPENED.

IN THE LAST HOURS, THE NUMBER OF DRONES AND ROCKETS LAUNCHED HAS INCREASED, DESTROYED ELECTRICITY SYSTEM IN SOME CITIES.

BUT WE DON'T SEE A LINK BETWEEN THIS TRAGEDY AND UKRAINE.

UKRAINIANS ARE NOT FIGHTING THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE BUT AGAINST AN ARMY THAT INVADED THEM.

MAYBE PUTIN MAY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT, BUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS SUFFERING OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE, AND THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO SUFFERED THIS TERRORIST ATTACK.

>> BACK TO UKRAINE, THE SUFFERING THERE, UNCERTAINTY ON THE BATTLEFIELD BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF WEAPONS FROM THE UNITED STATES AND TO AN EXTENT FROM EUROPE AS WELL.

YOU HAVE JUST COME BACK RECENTLY FROM THE UNITED STATES, IN WHICH YOU SAID THAT YOU CAME AWAY WITH A CONTINUED PICTURE OF BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE, BUT STILL UNCERTAINTY WHETHER THIS WILL RESULT IN A VOTE TO UNBLOCK THAT MILITARY AID.

ANYTHING YOU CAN SAY ABOUT THAT?

OR WHETHER EUROPE CAN FILL THE GAP IN AMMUNITION AND WEAPONS.

>> WE ARE DOING OUR GREATEST EFFORT IN ORDER TO SUPPORT UKRAINE MORE AND QUICKLY.

WE HAVE PROVIDED -- WE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT SUPPORTER OF UKRAINE, ALL KINDS OF SUPPORT.

AND WE THINK HAD, EXPECT, AND ASK THE U.S. TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTARY BUDGET IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PROVIDING SUPPORT TO UKRAINE.

THE U.S. HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN SUPPORTING UKRAINE.

OTHERWISE IT WILL BE GIVING A FREE PASS TO RUSSIA.

AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS THEN.

WE KNOW IF WE GIVE A FREE PASS TO RUSSIA, REMEMBER CRIMEA, SYRIA, IF YOU DON'T SHOW COMMITMENT AND STRENGTH AND REAL WILL TO SUPPORT UKRAINE, WE CANNOT AFFORD RUSSIA WIN THIS WAR, OTHERWISE THE U.S. AND EUROPEAN INTERESTS WILL BE DAMAGED.

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF GENEROSITY ALONE OR SUPPORTING UKRAINE BECAUSE WE LOVE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.

IT IS IN OUR OWN INTEREST, AND IN THE INTEREST OF THE U.S. AS A GLOBAL PLAYER, ONE WHO HAS TO BE PERCEIVED AS A RELIABLE PARTNER, A SECURITY PROVIDER TO THE ALLIES.

WHY WE CALL THE U.S. TO OPEN AND APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTARY BUDGET.

>> YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WHAT ABOUT EUROPE'S NEED TO PROTECT ITSELF?

THERE IS A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT FOCUSING ON YOUR JOINT OP-ED WITH A SENIOR EUROPEAN COMMISSIONER YOU SAY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CREATING A EUROPEAN ARMY.

WHAT WE NEED AND WANT TO ACHIEVE IN COMING YEARS IS A CLOSER COOPERATION BETWEEN OUR NATIONAL ARMIES AND A STRONGER DEFENSE INDUSTRY IN EUROPE.

IT WILL HELP ALSO BUILD AN EFFECTIVE EUROPEAN PILLAR IN NATO.

IS THERE A EUROPEAN CONSENSUS ON THAT?

>> I THINK SO.

A STRONG CONSENSUS ON THE NEED TO INCREASE OUR DEFENSE CAPACITIES.

BOTH ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, MILITARY CAPACITIES.

AS YOU SAID, AS WE SAID, IT'S NOT CREATING THE, SINGULAR, EUROPEAN ARMY.

WE HAVE 27 MEMBER STATES, ALL SOVEREIGN, DEFENSE THEIR CAPACITY, THEIR COMPETENCE, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ARMIES.

BUT THEY HAVE TO BE MORE INTERPRETATIONAL, MORE READY TO WORK TOGETHER.

CREATE RAPID DEPLOYMENT FORCE.

TO CREATE A EUROPEAN PILLAR INSIDE NATO.

MEMBERS HAVE TO TAKE MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR DEFENSE.

CERTAINLY A STRONGER PARTNERSHIP WITH U.S. POSSIBLE INSIDE NATO BUT WE HAVE TO STRENGTHEN OURS STARTING WITH INDUSTRY AND IN THE ARMIES.

NOT GOING TO CANCEL 27 ARMIES FOR A SINGLE ONE BUT BE MORE TO DO TOGETHER.

SPENDING BETTER OUR MONEY.

WE ARE SPENDING MORE, INCREASING OUR MILITARY EXPENDITURE.

AND BELIEVE ME, THEY'VE BEEN TAKING STOCK.

THEY'RE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE CHALLENGING WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE, AND WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.

>> MR. BURRELL, MOVING ON TO THE WAR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS, YOU HAVE ACCUSED ISRAEL OF USING STARVATION AS A WEAPON OF WAR.

THE U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL SPOKE IN RAFAH THIS WEEKEND AND SAID THIS.

>> A LONG LINE OF BLOCKED RED RELIEF TRUCKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE GATES.

STARVATION ON THE OTHERS.

THAT IS MORE THAN TRAGIC, IT'S A MORAL OUTRAGE.

>> WHAT CAN THE EU DO TO BREAK THIS DEADLOCK AND TO, AS THE SECRETARY GENERAL SAYS, ROLL BACK THIS MORAL OUTRAGE?

>> LAST FRIDAY, THE EUROPEAN UNION COUNCIL AGREED ON CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE SITUATION IN GAZA, AND THE CONCLUSIONS WERE VERY CLEAR.

WE ASK FOR UNIMPENDED ACCESS TO GAZA.

WE ASK FOR INCREASED HUMANITARIAN ENTRANCE INTO GAZA.

BECAUSE THEY ARE -- IT IS NOT ENOUGH.

THE NUMBER IS MUCH LOWER THAN BEFORE THE WAR, AND AS THE SECRETARY GENERAL WARNS, MORE THAN 1,000 TRUCKS ARE WAITING TO ENTER.

THE BACKLOG OF NUMBER OF PEOPLE SOMETIMES WAITING DAYS AND DAYS.

THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL, ON ONE HAND REMIND THAT EVERYTHING STARTED WITH A TERRORIST ATTACK BY HAMAS AGAINST INNOCENT CIVILIANS ON THE ISRAELI SIDE.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THE SHOCK, THE FEELING OF ISRAELIS BEING ATTACKED AND INNOCENT CIVILIANS BEING KILLED.

THIS WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK.

ON THE OTHER HAND, EVERYBODY SAYS THE NUMBER OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IN GAZA IS TOO HIGH, EVERYBODY IS SAYING THERE IS STARVATION AND EVERYBODY IS SAYING THERE IS NOT ENOUGH HUMANITARIAN AID ENTERING INTO GAZA.

MAKE A LOGICAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO FACTS, THE EUROPEAN UNION COUNCIL ASKED CLEARLY FOR UNIMPENDED ACCESS TO GAZA, INCREASED HUMANITARIAN SUPPORT, IMMEDIATE HUMANITARIAN CEASEFIRE.

IN ORDER TO ALLOW ENTRY OF SUPPORT, TO STOP FIGHTING, FREE THE HOSTAGES, THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMIND THERE ARE HOSTAGES TO BE FREED.

TO AVOID REGIONAL ESCALATION, SPREAD OF THE WAR INTO LEBANON AND THE RED SEA, AND START DISCUSSING A POLITICAL SOLUTION.

IT IS NOT A MILITARY SOLUTION TO THE CONFLICT BETWEEN ISRAEL AND PALESTINE TO LAST YEARS.

THE ANSWER IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK FOR A SOLUTION WHERE TWO PEOPLE CAN LIVE SIDE BY SIDE BECAUSE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE AND COMMON SECURITY.

CEASEFIRE, HUMANITARIAN PAUSE LEADING TO CEASEFIRE, FREE HOSTAGES, INCREASE HUMANITARIAN SUPPORT AND POLITICAL SOLUTION ONLY BASED ON THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION.

>> JOSEPH BURRELL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

>>> IN A MOMENT WE'LL LOOK MORE INTO GAZA AND THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, BUT FIRST AS RUSSIA MOURNS THE MOSCOW TERROR ATTACK, DISINFORMATION RUNS RIFE, FORMER RUSSIAN LAWMAKER POSTED THIS ADVICE TO THE KREMLIN, ISOLATE KYIV'S LEADERSHIP BY POINTING OUT THE CONNECTION OF THE TERRORIST ATTACK NOT WITH ISIS BUT WITH THE UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES.

THE U.S. EMBASSY IN RUSSIA HAD WARNED OF A POSSIBLE ATTACK THAT PUTIN DISMISSED, NOW IN THE MIDST OF THE SECURITY FAILURE, THE KREMLIN IS ON THE OFFENSIVE.

AUTHOR OF "HOW TO WIN AN INFORMATION WAR," PETER IS JOINING FROM KYIV.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> WHAT ARE YOU UNDERGONE, WHAT HAVE THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE UNDERGONE SINCE THE TERROR ATTACK?

WE HEAR MASSIVELY STEPPED UP ATTACKS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> WELL, THERE'S BEEN A WAVE OF ATTACKS OF MISSILES, DRONES, ALL KINDS OF -- WITH ALL KINDS OF WEAPONS AGAINST UKRAINE OVER THE LAST WEEK.

ATTACKING CIVILIANS, ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE, KHARKIV HAS BEEN WITHOUT POWER, HITTING A HUGE DAM NEAR BURSTING NOW, COULD CAUSE ECOLOGICAL CATASTROPHE, AND IN KYIV TODAY, AN ART SCHOOL WAS HIT WITH A MISSILE.

THAT WAS VERY, VERY LOUD ACROSS THE CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, PREDICTABLE THAT PUTIN WOULD BLAME THIS ON UKRAINE, NOBODY IS IN ANY WAY SURPRISED OVER HIS PREDICTABLE CONSPIRACY THEORIES HE'S PUSHING.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.

YOU'VE LIVED THERE MANY YEARS, THERE IN THE TERRORIST ATTACK, THE SIEGE, THE THEATER ATTACK, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE KILLED.

WHAT IS THE MODUS OPERANDI REMIND US OF WHEN TERRORIST ATTACKS HAVE STRUCK RUSSIA?

>> THERE ARE ALWAYS INCREDIBLE SECURITY FAILURES AND THE KREMLIN ALWAYS TRIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AFTERWARDS TO USE IT TO EXTEND ITS DICTATORIAL POWERS.

WHAT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THIS TIME, DICTATORIAL POWERS ARE ALREADY EXTENDED, THEY'VE LAUNCHED AGGRESSIVE INVASION OF UKRAINE.

WHEN I LIVED THERE, THERE WERE INDEPENDENT TV STATIONS WHICH WERE DESTROYED AFTER THE TERROR ATTACKS.

NOW THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT TO DESTROY.

REALLY THIS IS A HUGE FAILURE ON THE PART OF PUTIN, WHO IS NOT OPENLY A DICTATOR, AND WHO NOW BRAZENLY PURELY POSITIONS HIMSELF AS A STRONG MAN WHO IS DEDICATED TO SECURITY AND WAR.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY VULNERABLE MOMENT FOR HIM.

YOU MENTIONED MY BOOK, WHERE I EXPLORE HOW BRITAIN UNDERMINED THE CONNECTION BETWEEN HITLER AND THE GERMAN PEOPLE IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR.

THIS IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT THE FAILURES OF PUTIN TO THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE IN THE WEST OR THE ALLIES HAVE THE RESOLVE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

>> AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IS THAT PUTIN APPEARS TO BE CLEARLY TRYING TO DO THE REVERSE, TO DISASSOCIATE AND UNDERMINE THE UKRAINIAN LEADERSHIP WITH ITS OWN PEOPLE AND PRESUMABLY WITH THE U.S. CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S PART OF THE DISINFORMATION STRATEGY RIGHT NOW?

>> LOOK, YOU JUST QUOTED MARKOV, A SLIGHTLY COMEDIC FIGURE IN THE GRUESOME CABARET OF RUSSIAN POLITICS, YOU JUST QUOTED HIM.

MAYBE THEY'LL TRY.

SO FAR EUROPEAN RESOLVE ON THE LEVEL OF PUBLIC OPINION IS STRONG IN UKRAINE.

THE PARADOX IN AMERICA WHERE I LIVE, MOST CONGRESS PEOPLE ARE FOR UKRAINE, THE AID IS BEING BLOCKED BY A TINY NUMBER OF CONGRESS PEOPLE AND LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS FROM A CERTAIN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO IS NOT EVEN IN OFFICE.

>> YEAH, AND AGAIN THAT MINIMAL, SMALL MINORITY OF PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF BLOCKING IT, LED BY THE HOUSE SPEAKER, HE WON'T BRING A VOTE TO THE FLOOR OF THE CONGRESS, WHICH WOULD PASS IF HE DID.

CLEARLY IT'S IN PUTIN'S INTEREST TO CONTINUE KEEPING THAT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY CLOSED, RIGHT?

HOW DOES THIS DISINFORMATION WORK?

>> IT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION.

I MEAN I THINK -- HAVING STUDIED PROPAGANDA FOR THREE BOOKS NOW, COME PARTLY TO THE CONCLUSION THAT DISINFORMATION AND PROPAGANDA WORK WHEN THEY FIND A WILLING AUDIENCE.

IT'S ALWAYS A TWO-WAY MOVEMENT.

IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID OR SOMETHING, PEOPLE USUALLY ACTUALLY KNOW AT SOME LEVEL WHAT THE TRUTH IS, IT'S THAT THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN AGREEING WITH CERTAIN DISINFORMATION PUT OUT BECAUSE IT ENABLES THEM TO DO WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO.

IF THERE'S GROUPS IN AMERICA WHO WANT TO FIND ANY EXCUSE TO BLOCK AID TO UKRAINE FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY HAVE, THEY'LL USE THE DISINFORMATION THAT PUTIN PROVIDES.

GENERALLY TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND PROPAGANDA, IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.

THERE'S THE MOTIVATION OF THE RECEIVERS TO UNDERSTAND.

THERE ARE PEOPLE ON PUTIN'S SIDE OR THEY'RE SO AGAINST JOE BIDEN THEY'LL SACRIFICE THE INTERESTS OF GLOBAL SECURITY JUST TO HURT BIDEN.

>> REMIND US, YOU'VE BEEN STUDYING AND REPORTING THIS A LONG TIME.

WE KNOW THAT PROPAGANDA IN THE MODERN WORLD WAS DEVELOPED BY THE SOVIETS AND THEY DO IT REALLY WELL.

THEY PUT A LITTLE ARTICLE IN AN INDIAN NEWSPAPER SUGGESTING THE CIA CREATED AIDS AND PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE THAT, THAT WAS IN THE '80s.

NOW THE "NEW YORK TIMES" STORY BY THEIR DIGITAL DISINFORMATION EXPERT ABOUT STORIES PLANTED ABOUT ZELENSKYY AND HIS PEOPLE.

NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES INTERESTED PARTIES DENY IT, THESE THINGS ARE PLANTED.

IT'S AN INDUSTRY THAT RUSSIA IS CHURNING OUT RIGHT NOW.

>> IT'S PART AND PARCEL OF RUSSIA'S MILITARY STRATEGY, FOREIGN POLICY STRATEGY.

EMBEDDED IN RUSSIAN DOCTRINE THAT YOU USE INFORMATION OR WHAT THEY CALL INFORMATION PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE AS PART OF YOUR STATE CRAFT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY DISGUISES.

THEIR PSEUDOARGUMENT IS EVERYBODY IS DOING IT TO THEM, CNN, BBC, CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE WILL BE ON YOUR PROGRAM IN A MOMENT ARE ALL PART OF A DEMONIC, CONSPIRATORIAL PLOT, AND REFLECTS THIS CONSPIRATORIAL WORLD VIEW THAT EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION IS MANIPULATED AND YOU CAN'T TRUST ANYTHING.

YES, THERE ARE CONCRETE PIECES OF DISINFORMATION THAT THE RUSSIAN STATE STEEDS, BUT THERE IS ALSO A LARGER STORY ALWAYS DEVELOPING AND VERY POWERFUL WITHIN RUSSIA THAT YOU CAN TRUST NO ONE, THAT IN THIS DARK, MURKY WORLD OF MULTIPLE LIES, YOU NEED STRONG MEN LIKE PUTIN TO LEAD YOU THROUGH THE MURK.

>> BEFORE I ASK YOU HOW TO COUNTER THIS, PICK UP ON THE STRONG MAN.

IN ISRAEL, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU'S CALLING CARD IS I AM MR. SECURITY, STAND BETWEEN US AND THE DELUGE, AND THAT HAS BEEN CHALLENGED BY WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7TH, HIS POPULARITY WITH THE PEOPLE IS ROCK BOTTOM.

CLEARLY PUTIN HAS AN INTEREST IN DEFLECTING BLAME FOR HIS SECURITY FAILURE.

IN TODAY'S RUSSIA, WILL PEOPLE QUESTION MR. SECURITY, MR. PUTIN, FOR WHAT HAPPENED?

>> IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY GOOD QUESTION.

WHEN PUTIN RESPONDS WITH THESE KIND OF CONSPIRATORIAL DISINFORMATION IT WASN'T ISIS, IT WAS UKRAINE, AND AMERICA, BEHIND THIS HEINOUS TERRORIST ACT, DO THE RUSSIANS REALLY BELIEVE IT OR SOMETHING ELSE?

PUTIN SAYING LOOK, I'M SO POWERFUL NO ONE DARE QUESTION MY NARRATIVE.

THE MORE THAT NARRATIVE GOES UNCONTESTED, MORE HE CAN SAY DON'T YOU DARE DO ANYTHING BECAUSE I'M SO IN CHARGE.

THE ABILITY TO FORCE AN ABSURD NARRATIVE ONTO THE POPULATION BECOMES A SIGN OF YOUR POWER.

ONE MAN WHO CHALLENGED THAT WAS ALEXEI NAVALNY, RIGHT NOW HE WOULD BE TELLING HIS LARGE AUDIENCE THAT THIS IS, AS YOU SAID, A FAILURE OF THE STRONG MAN.

BUT NAVALNY WAS IMPRISONED AND KILLED IN ONE OF PUTIN'S JAILS RECENTLY.

THAT'S WHAT PUTIN DOES TO PEOPLE NARRATIVE.

BUT THAT ALSO SHOWS HOW SCARED HE IS.

>> WHAT IS IN YOUR MIND, IS THERE ANY WAY TO COUNTER THIS?

WE ARE IN 2024, ELECTION YEAR AROUND THE WORLD.

OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY LOOKING AT THE UNITED STATES.

JUST HAD ELECTIONS IN RUSSIA, GOING TO BE IND -- WHAT IS THE WAY TO DEFEND AGAINST THIS VERY INSIDIOUS AND ALL PERVASIVE DISINFORMATION?

>> LOOK, THERE'S NO ONE SOLUTION.

CAN TALK ABOUT NEEDING TO REFORM TECH COMPANIES SO THERE'S MORE OVERSIGHT HOW THEY POLICE THE DISINFORMATION.

TECH PROBLEM.

BUT END OF THE DAY IT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF WHO UNDERSTANDS AUDIENCES BEST.

WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THESE DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGNS?

IF IT'S TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE, IT OFTEN IS, HOW DOES ONE BATTLE INTIMIDATION?

SO PEOPLE FEEL THEY DO HAVE AGENCY TO PUSH BACK AGAINST A LEADER.

IF IT'S TO CONFUSE, HOW DOES ONE BUILD CONFIDENCE?

THE KEY IS THINK ABOUT THE EFFECT ON THE AUDIENCES AND COUNTERING THAT RATHER THAN CHASING EVERY LITTLE LIE BECAUSE THOSE LIES CAN BE JUST LIKE A FOUNTAIN OF DISINFORMATION.

>> REALLY INFORMATION, "HOW TO WIN AN INFORMATION WAR," THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

>>> NOW THE FRAUGHT RELATIONS BETWEEN ISRAELI AND AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS OVER GAZA SPILLED OUT IN THE OPEN, THE U.S. ABSTAINED AT THE CEASEFIRE IN THE U.N. AND ISRAEL RESPONDED.

IN GAZA, HUMANITARIAN SITUATION GETS WORSE.

THE ISRAELI TROOPS CONTINUE THEIR SIEGE OF A HOSPITAL WITH MASS ARRESTS OF MEDICAL STAFF AND AIR STRIKES ENDANGERING PATIENTS.

THE SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE NGO DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS HAS BEEN A WITNESS, HE'S BACK IN JERUSALEM AND JOINING ME FROM THERE.

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

I GUESS I NEED TO ASK YOU FIRST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE JUST COME FROM, WHAT YOU'VE JUST SEEN.

YOU HEARD THE SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE U.N.

CALL IT NOT JUST TRAGIC, THE HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE, BUT A MORAL OUTRAGE.

>> YEAH, I'VE CAME FROM A FEW DAYS IN GAZA AS YOU SAY.

I WANT TO SHARE IMPRESSIONS I'VE HAD IN THOSE FEW DAYS.

AND START WITH A POINT WHICH MAY BE A LITTLE BIT SURPRISING.

I'VE WITNESSED REAL ACTS OF BEAUTY, JOY AND STRONG HUMANITY IN GAZA THE LAST FEW DAYS.

I'VE SEEN A 6-YEAR-OLD BOY GETTING PHYSIO THERAPY FOR A LEG BADLY WOUNDED AS THE SCHOOL HE WAS SHELTERING IN WAS BOMBED, IN THE ARMS OF HIS FATHER THE WHOLE TIME TO GET THE LEG MANIPULATED TO REHABILITATE QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

A COUPLE OF GIRLS AT A SIMILAR AGE AT A HOSPITAL, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH, WOUND SPECIALIST.

THESE LITTLE GIRLS WERE THE LIFE AND SOUL OF THE HOSPITAL, CHEERLEADING THE OTHER PATIENTS LIKE THEY ADOPTED THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

AT THE SAME TIME I'VE SEEN ICU MEDICS MOVING FROM HOSPITAL TO HOSPITAL, HAVING TO RETRAIN TO TREAT RISING RATES OF MALNUTRITION ACROSS GAZA.

AT THE SAME TIME, I VISITED A HOSPITAL IN THE MIDDLE AREA OF GAZA, ARRIVED AROUND 8:30 IN THE MORNING, AND THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT THERE HAD BEEN HEAVY BOMBING, PROBABLY NOT AS HEAVY AS WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT IN THE SHIFA AREA.

BUT THERE'S A MORGUE ON THE HOSPITAL GROUNDS, THERE WAS BODIES FILLING THE MORGUE, COMING OUT OF THE MORGUE.

I TRIED TO MAKE MYSELF COUNT THE BODIES THAT WERE THERE, BUT I COULDN'T BRING MYSELF TO DO THAT.

AND THEY -- AFTER THAT I WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL ITSELF, AND IT'S SO PACKED INSIDE THE HOSPITAL.

THERE ARE PATIENTS LINING THE CORRIDORS EITHER SIDE OF EVERY CORRIDOR WAITING FOR WOUNDS TO BE REDRESSED, WAITING TO GO INTO SURGERY.

THE PRESSURE ON THAT HOSPITAL IS IMMENSE.

AND ONE OF THE MOST EXCRUCIATING STORIES I HEARD, SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE MEDICS, THE QUESTIONS THEY'RE HAVING TO ASK THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF THE TRADE-OFF.

DO THEY GIVE SPACE AND BEDS TO WAR WOUNDED TRAUMA, OR SPACE AND BEDS TO THOSE THAT NEED TO TREAT RISING RATES OF MALNUTRITION.

>> JUST LISTENING TO YOU, YOU SOUND VERY AFFECTED BY WHAT YOU'VE SEEN AND YOU PAINT A DIRE AND DESPERATE PICTURE, ALSO SHOWING THE NECESSARY VIEW OF THOSE LITTLE MOMENTS OF RESISTANCE, RESILIENCE AND JOY AS WELL.

I WAS QUITE STRUCK BY WHAT YOU SAID, MEDICS WHO HAVE TO RETRAIN, AS YOU SAID, TO TREAT MALNUTRITION.

EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

WHY RETRAIN?

>> MALNUTRITION IS NOT A PHENOMENA WITH HISTORY IN THE GAZA STRIP.

WE'RE SEEING A SITUATION WHEREBY WE HAVE THE POPULATION OF GAZA UNDER SIEGE, WE HAVE THE NORTH OF GAZA, TWICE BESIEGED, A SIEGE WITHIN A SIEGE, AND THE POPULATION HAVE BEEN VICTIMS OF INDISCRIMINATE BOMBARDMENTS WITH A TRICKLE OF AID COMING INTO THE GAZA STRIP.

IT SHOULD NOT BE A SURPRISE TO ANYONE WE'RE SEEING RATES OF MALNUTRITION.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AN AID WORKER, A NUTRITIONIST OR DATA SPECIALIST, IT'S ENTIRELY LOGICAL YOU WOULD BE IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS FOR A POPULATION SUBJECTED TO WHAT THE GAZANS HAVE THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

>> CAN I JUST ASK YOU, I WONDER WHAT -- I ASSUME YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT AS WELL.

THERE'S AN ARGUMENT IN PUBLIC THE ISRAELIS SAYING THAT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THE LIMITATION OF FOOD AND HUMANITARIAN NECESSITIES INTO GAZA, THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE VIOLATING INTERNATIONAL LAW.

OTHERS SAY IN FACT, INDEED, I JUST HAD THE HEAD OF THE EU FOREIGN POLICY HIGH REPRESENTATIVE ON WHO SAYS THEY'RE USING STARVATION AS A WEAPON OF WAR.

HOW DO YOU, AS AN NGO, SEE WITHHOLDING FOOD AND NECESSITIES TO THE CIVILIAN POPULATION?

>> LET'S GO BACK TO JANUARY 26th WHEN THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE, THE ICJ, RULED ON THE SITUATION IN GAZA.

THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTS TO PICK UP ON.

FIRSTLY THE PROTECTION OF CIVILIANS, AND SECONDLY THE DEMAND TO INCREASE HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE INTO THE GAZA STRIP.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GOING WITHOUT THE BASIC ESSENTIALS THEY NEED AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING INDISCRIMINATELY KILLED.

JUST TALKING ABOUT TWO LITTLE GIRLS IN THE INDONESIAN FIELD HOSPITAL.

THAT HOSPITAL IS FULL OF OUTPATIENT AND INPATIENTS NEEDING THEIR WOUNDS DRESSED.

THEY ARE MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

IT'S BEEN AN INDISCRIMINATE CAMPAIGN.

I CAN'T SAY HOW EITHER OF THE PROVISIONS, HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE, AND PROTECTION OF CIVILIANS, ARE BEING ADHERED TO.

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT RAFAH, AND I WANTED TO ASK YOU, UNITED STATES AND EU VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ISRAELI MILITARY OFFENSIVE INTO RAFAH.

FROM WHAT YOU SAW AND WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT RAFAH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN PHYSICALLY TO THE PEOPLE THERE IF THIS OFFENSIVE, INVASION, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, WAS TO HAPPEN IN RAFAH?

>> VERY CLEARLY, A GROUND INVASION OF RAFAH WOULD BE ABSOLUTE CATASTROPHE.

I'VE BEEN HEARING FOR MONTHS ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, THE REST OF THE WORLD, OF THE 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE SQUEEZED INTO RAFAH.

WHEN YOU'RE THERE AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF, IT'S VISCERAL.

WHAT USED TO BE A 10-MINUTE CAR JOURNEY IS TAKING AN HOUR BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SO PACKED IN, ROADS HAVE SHRUNK BECAUSE OF THE SHELTERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WHERE DO PEOPLE GO TO?

JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, AS THE LATEST ROUND OF FIGHTING AROUND SHIFA WAS STARTING, THERE WAS AN EVACUATION ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE TOWARD THE AREA OF RAFAH WHERE I WAS STAYING.

FIRSTLY, THEY COULDN'T MAKE THAT MOVEMENT BECAUSE OF ISRAELI MILITARY CHECKPOINTS EN ROUTE.

SECONDLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO JOIN THESE 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE VICTIM OF A GROUND OFFENSIVE.

THE REST OF GAZA HAS BEEN PULVERIZED.

HOSPITAL, DOESN'T BEAR THINKING ABOUT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY SCENARIO THAT'S NOT UTTERLY CATASTROPHIC.

>> BENJAMIN NETANYAHU STOPPED A DELEGATION FROM GOING TO WASHINGTON BECAUSE HE WAS UPSET ABOUT THE ABSTAINING VOTE IN THE U.N.

BUT IT WAS GOING TO SHOW THEIR PLANS AND SUPPOSEDLY TO SHOW THEIR PLANS FOR EVACUATION OF RAFAH.

HAS ANYONE INDICATED TO YOU AS AN NGO HOW THEY WOULD GET CIVILIANS OUT OF THE WAY?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT MEDICAL -- SORRY, MENTAL TRAUMA FINALLY.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE CHILDREN THERE.

YOU SPOKE OF SOME CHILDREN.

THERE'S A ACRONYM THAT'S SO SAD, MEDICAL TEAMS CALL THEM WOUNDED CHILD, NO SURVIVING FAMILY, WCNSF.

CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS 5 HAVE TOLD YOU THEY WOULD PREFER TO DIE.

MET SOMEBODY WHO LOST TEN MEMBERS OF FAMILY.

YOU NEED A PSYCHIATRIST TO TREAT THE PSYCHIATRIST NOW.

WHAT IS THE STATE OF MENTAL HEALTH AMONGST THE CHILDREN PARTICULARLY?

>> WELL, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN GAZA IS A POPULATION WITH EXTREMELY HIGH PROPORTION OF DISABLED PEOPLE NEEDING CARE FOR MOBILITY, FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

AND ONE THING THAT SOMEBODY SAID TO ME AT ONE OF OUR CLINICS, POSTTRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER DOESN'T EXIST IN GAZA BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING.

HEARING A PSYCHOLOGIST TELL YOU HOW THEIR FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO THIS HORROR, THE STRESS OF THE POPULATION IS GOING TO BE ENDEMIC FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

>> THANK YOU, CHRISTOPHER LAPIERRE, HEAD OF MSF.

>>> IN THE UNITED STATES WITH A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN UNDER WAY, A BIOPIC SPOTLIGHTS THE STORY OF A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND TRAILBLAZER OF YESTERYEAR.

SHIRLEY CHISHOLM WAS THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN ELECTED TO CONGRESS AND FIRST TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 1972.

HER CAMPAIGN WAS MET WITH RESISTANCE BUT DOUBTS NEVER SLOWED HER DOWN.

HERE'S A CLIP FROM THE FILM.

>> I'M PAVING THE ROAD FOR A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE LIKE ME TO GET ELECTED.

>> FIRST BLACK REPRESENTATIVE.

>> YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE HISTORY.

>> PRESIDENT?

YOU AIN'T NO MAN.

>> MAYBE WE SHOULD FIND YOUR MOTHER.

>> ALL YOU'VE GOT, ONE VOTE.

>> SOUND JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN.

>> DO I LOOK LIKE EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN?

♪ FREEDOM ♪ >> YOU CAN'T WIN.

>> WHY CAN'T I WIN?

I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

OSCAR AWARD WINNING ACTOR AND DIRECTOR REGINA KING TAKES ON THIS OPPORTUNITY AND IS TALKING ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU'VE HAD THIS INCREDIBLE CAREER, OSCAR AND EMMY WINNER, ACTOR, PRODUCER, DIRECTOR -- ALL THE THINGS.

WHAT MADE THIS THE PROJECT YOU WANTED TO DO AT THIS TIME?

WHY THIS PROJECT, WHY NOW?

>> IT KIND OF WORKED OUT THAT THE NOW ENDED UP BEING PERFECT TIMING.

BUT MY SISTER AND I, WE STARTED OUR PRODUCTION COMPANY ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, AND WHEN WE STARTED, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT WHAT STORIES WOULD WE WANT TO TELL, WHAT STORIES WHO ROYAL TIES PUT OUT INTO THE WORLD, AND SHIRLEY CHISHOLM KEPT COMING UP FOR BOTH OF US BECAUSE WE BOTH HAD EXPERIENCES WITH OTHER PEOPLE THAT DID NOT KNOW WHO SHE WAS.

AND WE JUST FELT LIKE SHE IS SO MUCH A PART OF THE AMERICAN FABRIC, HOW IS IT THAT NO ONE KNOWS WHO SHE IS.

AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW.

TO THINK THAT -- I'M SPEAKING OF A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE.

NOT KNOWING, WE FELT THAT HER STORY WE NEEDED TO TELL.

AS WE STARTED DOING OUR RESEARCH SHE'S SO INTERESTING AND FASCINATING AND LIVED SO MUCH LIFE, HOW CAN WE GET IT ALL INTO A FILM.

>> HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT SHIRLEY CHISHOLM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW AS YOU POINTED OUT?

>> I LEARNED ABOUT SHIRLEY, A TOUCH OF SHIRLEY, DURING BLACK HISTORY MONTH, LUCKILY I GOT A TEACHER, MAY HAVE BEEN IN THIRD OR FOURTH GRADE WHO FELT LIKE SHIRLEY CHISHOLM WAS AN INTERESTING PERSON TO TALK ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH, BLACK HISTORY MONTH, WOULD BE ABOUT TWO MINUTES A DAY FOR A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, BLACK PERSON THAT'S DONE SOMETHING GREAT.

AND I GOT LUCKY ONE YEAR WHERE SHIRLEY GOT TWO MINUTES ON THAT DAY.

FROM THERE, MY MOTHER ALLOWED US TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER THAN THAT SHE WAS THE FIRST WOMAN -- BLACK WOMAN IN CONGRESS.

THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED IN THAT CLASS THAT DAY.

BUT SHE TOLD US ABOUT HER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, AND THAT I WAS ONLY 1 YEARS OLD WHEN IT HAPPENED.

AND SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT MADE US FAMILIAR AND MADE HER NAME STICK IN OUR MINDS.

>> FIRST BLACK WOMAN ELECTED TO CONGRESS, FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN PERSON, FIRST WOMAN TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT ON A MAJOR PARTY TICKET.

JESSE JACKSON USED TO HAVE THIS SAYING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TELL IT, TELL IT ALL.

YOUR FILM REALLY DOES, TELLS A LOT.

TALKS ABOUT SHE WAS NOT UNIVERSALLY LOVED AND APPLAUDED, SHE GOT A LOT OF RESENTMENT, NOT ALWAYS FROM THE PEOPLE YOU WOULD THINK.

HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANTED TO PLAY HER?

AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE FILM THAT'S SO STRIKING, YOU SHOW THE COMPLEXITY, NOT JUST OF BEING THE FIRST OR FIRST OR ONE OF THE FEW OR ONLY, BUT ALSO A WOMAN IN A MALE SPACE.

HOW DID YOU DECIDE HOW TO CAPTURE ALL THAT?

>> HONESTLY, MICHELLE, I THINK IT WAS LIVING MORE LIFE BECAUSE 15 YEARS OLD, WHEN WE STARTED OUT KNOWING WE WERE GOING TO TELL SHIRLEY'S STORY, WHETHER IT WOULD BE A SLICE OF HER LIFE OR HER ENTIRE LIFE, I WAS NOT READY.

I HAD NOT LIVED ENOUGH LIFE.

I CAN SAY THAT NOW.

THEN I WOULD NOT HAVE EVER THOUGHT THAT.

IT WAS JUST WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

WE HAD EVEN GONE AS FAR AS TO DO A PHOTO SESSION WITH ME, PHOTOSHOPPED MY HEAD INTO IMAGES OF HER PUTTING TOGETHER THE PACKAGE TO GET FINANCING FOR IT.

BUT I WASN'T READY.

AND JUST IN THAT 15 YEARS, HAVING EXPERIENCED MORE LIFE HELPED ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE WORLD TO SEE HER WITH ALL OF THE COMPLEXITIES, THE FATIGUE, THE LONELINESS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE A PERSON EMBARKING ON A JOURNEY LIKE THAT, WHERE THERE'S NO BLUEPRINT, NO ONE HAS DONE IT BEFORE YOU, THAT'S A REALLY LONELY PATH TO GO DOWN.

AND THE PEOPLE, REPRESENTATIVE WE GOT TO TALK TO, ROBERT GOTTLY, WHO LUCAS HEDGES PLAYS IN THE FILM, AND HER GODDAUGHTER, MARIA, WE GOT TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNEW SHIRLEY.

ONE OF THE THINGS I DID TAKE AWAY FROM TALKING TO BARBARA AND MARIA IS THAT SHE ALWAYS PUT ON SUCH A GOOD, STRONG PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, OF A POLITICIAN, OF A LEADER, BUT THEY ALWAYS FELT LIKE BEHIND THE SCENES THERE WAS A LONELINESS, AND THAT MADE SENSE TO ME, SEEING ALL THE THINGS SHE HAD ACCOMPLISHED AND THE SPACES SHE WAS MOVING.

SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE.

>> I AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

>> OF THE UNITED STATES?

HOLY -- THAT'S -- I MEAN THAT'S -- RIGHT THE HELL ON, MRS. C, THAT'S GREAT.

YOU WOULD BE THE MOST AMAZING PRESIDENT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN.

WOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP.

>> WELL, THERE IS.

I NEED YOU TO BE MY NATIONAL STUDENT COORDINATOR.

>> I'M -- >> OVERSEEING ALL THE STUDENT ORGANIZATIONS AFFILIATED WITH THE CAMPAIGNS IN ALL THE STATES I'M ON THE BALLOT, PUTTING TOGETHER CAMPUS RALLIES.

>> MRS. C -- I CAN'T.

>> I DON'T LIKE THE WORD CAN'T.

>> I KNOW, BUT I -- >> ROBERT, THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR 18-YEAR-OLDS WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE IN A NATIONAL ELECTION.

TO GET THEM TO VOTE, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT USING THEIR VOTE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT'S REALLY CRAZY, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THAT WAS LIKE?

>> WHEN I LEARNED THAT DURING HER RUN FOR CONGRESS THAT SHE WON SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL WITH -- HAD TO HAVE A TUMOR REMOVED.

AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK FROM HER OPPONENT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE HER SMALL BY SAYING WHERE IS SHE, LITTLE TEACHER FROM BROOKLYN, WE DON'T SEE HER, WE DON'T HEAR FROM HER, THIS IS WHO YOU WANT TO REPRESENT YOU.

AND SHE NEVER SPOKE ABOUT WHY SHE HAD TO STEP BACK FROM THE CAMPAIGN, BUT SHE PULLED HERSELF UP, STILL RECOVERING, CAME BACK IN, FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT, AS SHE SAYS, AND WON.

AND NO ONE KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

THAT WAS NOT PART OF HER NARRATIVE, THAT WAS NOT PART OF HER CAMPAIGNING BECAUSE IF THAT WAS A MAN IN THAT SAME POSITION AND HE -- AND THE WORLD KNEW, THE DISTRICT KNEW, IT WOULD BE LIKE OH, MY GOD, HE IS SO STRONG.

BUT HER, IT WOULD BE LIKE OH, THE FEMININE THINGS HAPPENING WITH HER, WE -- YOU KNOW?

>> GIRL PROBLEMS, WOMAN PROBLEMS, CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> AT THAT TIME WOMEN COULDN'T OPEN A BANK ACCOUNT WITHOUT A MAN AND HERE SHE IS RUNNING FOR CONGRESS.

THAT WAS MIND BLOWING FOR ME.

>> THE FILM DEPICTS SHE HAD SUPPORT FROM HER HUSBAND, KONRAD, AT LEAST AT THE BEGINNING, BUT THAT HER SISTER RESENTED HER.

AND YOU SHOW THAT.

>> I DON'T BLAME YOU.

>> NO.

YOU BLAME OUR FATHER.

>> HE HAD FOUR DAUGHTERS.

FOUR.

BUT WHEN HE DIED HE LEFT YOU THE LITTLE MONEY HE HAD.

YOU WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

AND NOW YOU THINK, NOW YOU THINK YOU'RE SPECIAL.

THAT'S HOW PAPA WAS WITH YOU, HE MADE YOU BELIEVE THINGS.

THEY AREN'T TRUE.

>> HE MADE ME BELIEVE IN MYSELF, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK.

>> YOU HAVE NO REGARD WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN DOES TO YOUR FRIENDS -- >> I CAN DO WHAT IS NECESSARY.

>> THAT'S WHAT PAPA WOULD WANT?

YOU'RE PUSHING US AWAY OVER NOTHING.

>> TALK ABOUT WHY YOU THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE THAT.

>> I THINK WHEN YOU'RE ESPECIALLY TELLING A STORY THAT'S A SLICE OF LIFE, A SLICE OF HISTORY, IT'S -- I KNOW AS AN AUDIENCE MEMBER, I WANT TO WALK AWAY FEELING LIKE I HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT I COULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED JUST WHEN I LOOKED IT UP ONLINE, YOU KNOW.

AND IT'S THOSE LITTLE THINGS, WE CALL THOSE NUANCE, IT'S THE NUANCE THAT MAKES YOU FEEL AS THOUGH OH, I REALLY HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE INTERIOR OF THIS PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING TO TAKE IN FOR A COUPLE HOURS.

AND EVERYTHING THAT WE READ, EVEN IN SHIRLEY'S BOOKS, SHE DID NOT JUST SAY IT OUTRIGHT, BUT SHE DOES ALLUDE TO NOT HAVING THE SUPPORT FROM HER MOTHER AND HER SISTERS.

NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING THE NEED FOR -- TO BE SHIRLEY CHISHOLM, BUT HER FATHER DID BEFORE HE PASSED AWAY.

AND IT'S LITTLE MOMENTS LIKE THAT THAT YOU DON'T -- YOU CAN'T FIND ON GOOGLE OR READ ABOUT.

SHIRLEY IS A STRATEGIST, UNDERSTOOD IF I WROTE THAT, I COULD POSSIBLY LOOK WEAK -- THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

I THINK THE VULNERABILITY WAS IMPORTANT TO SHOW SO THAT YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE STRENGTH.

VULNERABILITY IS A FORM OF STRENGTH TO ME.

WHEN WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO SHOW IT.

BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS LOOKED AT AS A FORM OF STRENGTH FOR WOMEN IN POSITIONS THEY'RE OPERATING AND DEALING WITH MOSTLY OR ONLY MEN.

>> YOU DO SHOW SO MANY ASPECTS OF HER LIFE.

ONE OF THEM IS HER MENTORSHIP OF OTHER WOMEN.

SHE WAS FAMOUS FOR, AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, GIVING WOMEN JOBS THEY HAD NOT HAD BEFORE.

>> BOURGEOIS POLITICS.

>> ALL YOU'RE DOING IS YELLING AND SCREAMING, THAT'S ALL YOU'LL BE, A YELLER AND SCREAMER.

YOU HAVE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

>> THE PROCESS DOESN'T EXIST IN POLITICS FOR BLACK WOMEN.

YOU'RE DIFFERENT.

>> I SAW WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, AND I DID IT.

THAT'S NOT DIFFERENT, THAT'S NECESSARY.

I WANT YOU TO WORK FOR ME.

>> ON YOUR CAMPAIGN?

>> IS THAT TOO BOURGEOIS FOR YOU?

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK SHIRLEY CHISHOLM MIGHT THINK OF THE CURRENT MOMENT?

CURRENT POLITICAL MOMENT.

ON THE ONE HAND, FIRST WOMAN OF COLOR AS VICE PRESIDENT, OTHER HAND, LEGISLATIVELY, WOMEN ARE FIGHTING BATTLES THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD WON.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.

YOUR FILM LANDS AT SUCH AN INTERESTING TIME.

>> YEAH.

THERE'S A PART OF ME FEELS LIKE IF SHIRLEY WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT DURING THESE TIMES, SHE MIGHT HAVE VERY WELL WON.

YOU KNOW?

CAN YOU IMAGINE A SHIRLEY GOING TOE-TO-TOE WITH A DONALD TRUMP?

OH, MY GOD, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN QUITE THE SAME.

AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S ME JUST WITH POLLYANNA DREAMS OR WHATEVER, BUT I DO KNOW THERE'S AN INTERVIEW I HAD SEEN THAT SHIRLEY HAD DONE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS IN THE '90s, MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE '80s.

BUT SHE WAS ASKED, YOU KNOW, DID SHE THINK SHE'D SEE A WOMAN PRESIDENT IN HER LIFETIME, AND SHE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT.

AND SHE SAID, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE A VICE PRESIDENT, A WOMAN VICE PRESIDENT BEFORE A PRESIDENT.

AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS SO FASCINATING, WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAD -- THE FIGHTING CHISHOLM, EVERYTHING THAT SHE HAD DONE, ALL SHE WAS UP AGAINST, SHE -- THIS WAS AFTER SHE HAD RETIRED, NO LONGER IN POLITICS AT ALL AT THIS POINT, JUST GIVING SPEECHES -- BUT ALL THAT SHE HAD SEEN IN HER TIME, ALL THE TERMS SHE HAD SERVED.

SHE KNEW WITHOUT A DOUBT WE AS A PEOPLE WERE NOT EVOLVED ENOUGH TO HAVE A WOMAN IN THAT -- IN THAT POSITION.

AND I THINK ABOUT WHEN TRUMP WON AND THAT MEANT THERE WERE A LOT OF WOMEN THAT VOTED FOR HIM.

I THINK SHE'D BE DISAPPOINTED, YOU KNOW?

I MEAN WE ARE DISAPPOINTING.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE FAITH IN THE YOUNGER GENERATION HAVING THE DESIRE TO BECOME MORE INVOLVED, TO ACTIVATE.

BECAUSE WE DO NEED YOUTH, SMART, YOUNG, PASSIONATE PEOPLE TO WANT TO BECOME INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS.

AND THAT'S ONE OF SHIRLEY'S GIFTS, ONE OF HER SUPERPOWERS, TO JUST SEE IN PEOPLE WHAT THEY DID NOT SEE IN THEMSELVES AND IGNITE SOMETHING IN THEM TO THINK BIGGER AND WANT TO GO OUT AND SEEK THE KNOWLEDGE AND THINK MORE GLOBALLY, IF YOU WILL.

>> CONGRATULATIONS ON THE FILM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US ABOUT IT.

WHAT DO YOU HOPE PEOPLE WILL GET FROM IT?

>> JUST WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING, I HOPE THAT PEOPLE FEEL ACTIVATED, AND I HOPE THAT -- AGAIN, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SHIRLEY, ONE OF THE BIG MESSAGES THAT SHE ALWAYS SPOKE ABOUT THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE YOUTH, YOU KNOW.

WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THEIR FUTURE.

AND I HOPE THAT YOUNGER PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY MEET THE CRITERIA.

THEY HAVE THE CRITERIA THAT'S NEEDED TO WANT TO RUN FOR THOSE LOCAL OFFICES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE THAT AFFECT OUR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES IN YOUR DISTRICT, YOUR MAYORS AND GOVERNORS.

THEY MAKE REALLY HUGE CHOICES THAT AFFECT YOUR DAY-TO-DAY.

AND THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN IT, IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE.

YOU KNOW?

>> REGINA KING, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE CAN ALL WATCH IT NOW ON NETFLIX.

AND FINALLY TONIGHT, NO RUNNING, NO SPILLING, ONLY ONE HAND ON THE TRAY.

THOSE ARE THE RULES FOR WAITERS IN PARIS WHO SWAPPED FINE DINING FOR A RACE TO THE FINISH LINE.

AS THE CITY REVIVED THE CENTURY OLD CAFE, 200 OF THE CREME DE LA CREME DASHED THROUGH THE STREETS WITH A CONTINENTAL BREAKFAST, A CELEBRATION OF THE FAMED RESTAURANT AND CAFE CULTURE, STARTED IN 1914.

FRIENDSHIPS, BUSINESS DEALS, REVOLUTIONS, THINK OF ALL THAT BEGAN IN THESE CAFES.

REVIVED TO PROMOTE SPORT AHEAD OF THE OLYMPICS THIS SUMMER.

HERE IS ONE OF THE CONTENDERS.

>> Translator: I'VE BEEN DOING THIS JOB SINCE I WAS 16, I DON'T NECESSARILY EXPECT TO BE THE FIRST, I DON'T HAVE THE BEST CARDIO, BUT HOPE TO ARRIVE IN GOOD CONDITION AT THE FINISH LINE.

>> THE WINNER CROSSES THE FINISH LINE FASTEST HAVING JUDGED TO SPILL THE LEAST LIQUID ON THEIR MAD RUN.

THAT'S IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING GOODBYE FROM LONDON.

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