>> Tonight on Greater Boston.

Philip Martin joined the on the latest updat.. Tens of thousands of people have fled Haiti a..

Including for Boston-based partners in health.. Philip Martin joins me now.

Thank you for joining us today.

Help us understand what is happening, what ca.. Philip: We have to go back many years but be.. What we are seeing, some might call it a logi.. You have gangs that have emerged from Haiti's.. Avon proceeding that, let us say in 2010 eart..

It ushered in an extraordinary level of insta..

In terms of water and in terms of basic resou..

This has been greatly exacerbated by the ear.. You had successive governments that came in f.. You also had a group of challenging people c..

This is after the as a summation of the pre.. Not surprising, it is a French background.

These gangs have essentially attacked the air.. >> One of the gangs trying to gang -- what a.. >> They are criminal organizations, th...

They want to be a part of the coalition gove.. Obviously, there is the intent to create a lo..

The United States, Canada, and France are wor..

In the immediate sense of the provisional go.. That is what is being discussed and possibly..

These gangs are profited from kidnapping, ki..

Sexual violence is rampant right now througho..

Particularly Port-au-Prince, we have areas t..

They are contested by the gangs, we are talki.. Port-au-Prince is the epicenter of this inst.. >> Are there any government institutions lef.. Philip: You have a semblance of a police dep..

They do not control much.

They are protecting some upper class neighbor.. Human those upper class neighborhoods, many ..

They were largely protected by police and the.. That seemed to be their function for many yea..

I think people are shocked at the level of i..

They have juxtaposed it to situations in Afgh.. >> Where is Haiti in all of this?

The military?

Philip: The military, he could almost say the..

The last place the Prime Minister was Puerto .. >> He is?

Philip: He was the provisional Prime Minister.

As a provisional because he was largely appo.. That committee was initially appointed by the..

He then transitioned to the Prime Minister.

As a military essentially is waiting to see w.. You could say that those who are in control r..

They are trying to work out some type of deal..

The only thing that would satisfy the Haitia..

Right now, there is a food crisis and there i.. >> What might that deal look like?

Philip: I think that deal, it is something th..

They came together around an agreement to try.. And to impose themselves in some form or anot.. >> A political scientist would say another fo.. Is there an issue that is stopping us from t.. What is the obstacle here?

Philip: These are violent criminal groups th.. You have these groups that have been involve..

The notion of negotiating with them seems ana.. Like a lot of negotiations that happen like .. Again, the Taliban was a political group, the.. >> In that scenario, what about the Dominica.. As shares an island with Haiti?

Philip: It has always had a tenuous and a te..

There is the attempt by partners in health an.. Haiti and the Dominican Republic is a staging..

It is a place where some Haitians are and aga.. Philip: How about these Boston-based nonprof.. How are they involved?

>> They are working hard to do what they have.. Care for the people of Haiti.

Medicine, obviously, they are dealing with a..

They are seeing hundreds more people in emer.. Burns, famine, hunger, all types of problems .. Also trying to keep the lights on and keep th..

Many of these staff members are stuck in the..

The partners in health staff, they have not .. Again, working hard to keep their hospital o.. >> Do they have any protection from the gangs?

Are they on their own?

Philip: It is not clear what their security s..

The hospital that is run by the health equit.. >> This current crisis was triggered by the a.. Philip: Yes, but instability in Haiti is so ..

When you talk about Haiti, we need to go bac..

Same with France, due to a deal, France and H..

Since that time, Haiti has been paying indem..

This contributes to the instability.

I do not think we could talk about Haiti with.. >> Given the remarkable scale of the reparati.. Philip: Precisely.

>> Is their motivation on the French governm.. Philip: There has been partners of Haiti wit.. Not from Haiti itself, but from the situatio.. Indemnities to the French government.

>> On that note, thank you so much for joini.. Philip: Thank you.

>> It started out in the early 1960's as an i.. >> It is terrible.

People suffered.

They were hurt.

He did bring the coal down around him.

>> A docuseries surrounds this, the director.. Where do you to this story?

Rory: was founded in Santa Monica in Californ..

It was the first drug treatment program at t.. Dietrich, the founder of Synanon Came from AA..

He wanted to challenge them on their stories ..

Some food.

He had the storefront and people stayed there..

It has a very powerful long-lasting legacy, l.. >> When I washed your documentary, what stru.. What do you think changed so dramatically tha.. >> It is hard to say there was one moment whe..

I would say in the beginning that there were ..

They had bought more firearms than anyone in.. How did they get from one extreme to the oth..

I think it comes down to Chuck Diedrich and r.. And went from a place where there were not t.. First it was innocuous, no sugar.

Everybody should exercise.

Then, they started shaving their heads and ev.. People were having forced abortions.

Force vasectomies.

There were swapping of partners.

I think a lot of the people who questioned S..

The people who stayed did not really have it.. Who increasingly got treated like a God.

>> I thought one of the most striking things .. What is it like getting a daughter to talk a.. >> She is a remarkable woman.

She was very resistant and adamant from the b..

I started talking to her 4.5 years ago about .. She was very clear, she did not want to part.. To her credit, I think that really, that res.. She did not want to make the any worse for an.. At the same time, you know, I think we argue..

It really feels like it is telling from the i.. Later not have a narrator, it is really exclu.. Getting that archive in there was important,..

The Synanon Trust agreed to give us the archi..

There is a lot of footage in here and photos ..

In that process, the daughter felt like, if ..

Even though she did not want to.

She genuinely, I do not think she wanted to.

She felt like she needed to.

I do think her perspective is so important in.. All of the good it did.

Also, you know, she is very honest and trans.. Often in a negative way and how it impacted .. >> we talk about cults more and more nowadays.

I hear CrossFit described as a cult.

Donald Trump's opponents say that the maga m.. How do you think we talk about it now?

Philip: There is increased interest in cults.

People participating in cults, there are 10,0.. That is a lot of cults.

There is more series that we are watching tha..

I think from my understanding of cults, they ..

There is disruptions.

I think with everything going on today and th..

I do think understanding this history of Syn..

The other thing I think Chuck's daughter sai.. She says everyone is lonely.

I think to go into this world where you are .. You are working through issues.

You do not have to worry about your food or y.. Everything is all taken care of.

Insurance, they have doctors coming to Synano..

They had cars, motorcycles.

They had airplanes.

Boats.

The things were taken care of for you and th.. A real deep sense of friendship.

>> Your last documentary was on the follow B.. Today to see your Boeing announced he would b.. >> I am glad that David Calhoun is moving ou..

I think that is a long time coming, frankly.

I do have concerns with the person, Stephani..

Her background is in finance and money.

I think that the thing that -- the thing that..

I think as long as Boeing continues to focus.. 46 people died in those two 737 maxx crashes.

I think that they really need somebody who i..

It is not going to be trained in the kind of ..

I think until they shift that and change the..

I do not buy it.

>> On that note, thank you for joining us tod..

The HBO docuseries, the Synanon Debuts on HB.. Good night.

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