>> Rooney: I'M EMILY ROONEY WELCOME TO "BEAT THE PRESS."

OUR TOPICS: A LIVE-STREAMED VIDEO OF THE BOULDER, COLORADO, SHOOTING IS STILL UP ON YOUTUBE-- SHOULD THEY TAKE IT DOWN?

; REPORTERS ARE CALLING IT A "SURGE" AND A "CRISIS" AT THE BORDER, BUT IS IT?

; AND ACTING BOSTON MAYOR KIM JANEY CALLS HERSELF MAYOR-- SHOULD THE PRESS FOLLOW SUIT?

PLUS, OUR PANEL'S RANTS AND PLUS, OUR PANEL'S RANTS AND RAVES OF THE WEEK.

JOINING ME ARE: FORMER CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT DAN LOTHIAN; ADAM REILLY OF GBH NEWS; JON KELLER OF WBZ NEWS: AND CALLIE CROSSLEY OF GBH NEWS.

WELL, AN INTERESTING ETHICAL DILEMMA AROSE THIS WEEK WHEN A SELF-DESCRIBED CITIZEN JOURNALIST HAPPENED TO BE NEAR THE KING SOOPERS STORE IN BOULDER, COLORADO, WHEN THE SHOOTING BEGAN.

HE RUSHED IN AND STARTED LIVE-STREAMING ON YOUTUBE AS THE INCIDENT UNFOLDED AROUND HIM.

NOW, SOME ARE SAYING YOUTUBE SHOULD TAKE THE GRAPHIC VIDEO DOWN, WHILE OTHERS SAY IT SERVES A PURPOSE.

FOR LEGAL REASONS, WE CANNOT SHOW MUCH OF IT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN KEEP SOOPERS THIS IS A SELF-PORTRAIT OF DEAN SCHILLER FROM THE SCENE OF THE SHOOTING.

HE IS DESCRIBING WHAT HE SEES.

>> SOMETHING JUST HAPPENED HERE, GUYS.

SOMEONE'S DOWN.

>> Rooney: FOR THE NEXT THREE HOURS, SCHILLER CONTINUED TO LIVESTREAM FROM THE SCENE DESPITE BEING TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES BY POLICE TO LEAVE.

>> YOU BETTER GET OUT OF HERE.

>> I'M A JOURNALIST.

>> I DON'T GIVE A (/ BLEEP/ ).

GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.

>> Rooney: HE DIDN'T, AND WHAT SCHILLER RECORDED WAS BOTH A GRISLY CRIME SCENE AND A POLICE RESPONSE IN PROGRESS.

LIKE SCHILLER, OTHER NEWS OUTLETS INCLUDING CNN SAW OFFICERS TRYING TO RAM DOWN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND VIDEOED A SWAT TEAM BEING DROPPED ON THE ROOF.

BUT SCHILLER SAW MORE, INCLUDING BODIES ON THE GROUND.

>> THERE'S PEOPLE LAYING ON THE GROUND, AND THIS IS NO JOKE, GUYS.

>> Rooney: SCHILLER'S ENTIRE VIDEO REMAINED ON YOUTUBE, WHERE SOME OUTRAGED VIEWERS FELT IT SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN, TWEETING THINGS LIKE: "DEAN SCHILLER LIVESTREAMED BODIES, DID NOTHING TO OFFER HELP."

TO PEOPLE IN NEED.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO VIEW OR SPREAD GRAPHIC FOOTAGE TO OBTAIN OR SHARE INFORMATION.

VICE NEWS ALSO POINTED OUT THAT SCHILLER WAS SHOWING POLICE TACTICS IN REAL TIME THAT MIGHT HAVE TIPPED OFF THE SHOOTER.

IN A STATEMENT, YOUTUBE SAID THAT WHILE VIOLENT CONTENT "INTENDED TO SHOCK OR DISGUST" IS NOT ALLOWED, "WE DO ALLOW CERTAIN VIOLENT OR GRAPHIC CONTENT WITH SUFFICIENT NEWS OR DOCUMENTARY CONTEXT."

I'D SAY, AS DISTURBING AS THE VIDEO IS, IT QUALIFIES AS SUFFICIENTLY NEWSWORTHY.

ALSO SERVES A LEARNING PURPOSE, DON'T USE A TRUCK TO RAM DOWN A WALL.

DEAN SCHILLER COMES OFF AS A JERK, NOT REALLY A JOURNALIST, BUT A GADFLY.

STAY ON THE SCENE OR STUPID, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BUT IT'S ON YOUTUBE.

>> SO HE'S NOT A JOURNALIST, THAT MEANS HE CAME WITH A LACK OF JUDGMENT ABOUT THESE THINGS.

FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND WAS, HE IS REVEALING IN REALTIME, POLICE TACTICS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAD AVAILABLE ON HIS PHONE OR ANYPLACE ELSE, I'LL LET THE POLICE DEAL WITH THAT.

THE SECOND THING IS BECAUSE THE JUDGMENT FACTOR IS AT PLAY, FOR HIM EVERYTHING IS CONTENT.

IT'S NOT NEWS TO HIM.

IT'S CONTENT.

AND THESE ARE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

AND I AM REMINDED OF THE KINDS OF DECISIONS THAT GOT MADE AFTER CERTAIN SIMILAR SITUATIONS.

SO I'M THINKING OF FILANDO CASTILE.

HIS MURDER IS RIGHT -- HIS GIRLFRIEND TAPED THAT.

PRETTY QUICKLY I REALIZE WE CAN'T HAVE THIS UP.

THIS HAS TO BE EDITED OR SOMEHOW MODIFIED.

FIGURE THAT OUT.

SAME THING AT 9/11.

THE PEOPLE JUMPING OUT OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN'T FIND THAT VIDEO.

WE CAN'T SEE THAT, WE DIDN'T SEE THE BEHEADINGS OF THE JOURNALISTS.

THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS AT STAKE AT PLAY HERE AND AS JOURNALISTS WE TYPICALLY MAKE DECISION BEST TASTE AND PROPRIETY.

MAYBE IF HE WASN'T LIVE-STREAMING IT, MAYBE IF HE DID WHAT HE DID AND THEN RELEASE PARTS OF IT AFTER SOME CONSULTATION MAYBE THAT WOULD BE BETTER.

>> Rooney: DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD TAKE IT DOWN?

>> I WOULD TAKE IT DOWN WITH MODIFICATIONS.

>> I THINK CALLIE IS GETTING AT THE SIGNIFICANT POINT THERE.

IT'S WHETHER IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE LIVE-STREAMED.

IT WAS IN THE LIVE-STREAMING OF IT THAT ENDANGERED THE SITUATION, THE POLICE RESPONSE, HE COULD HAVE ENDANGERED OTHER LIVERS BY DISCLOSING WHAT POLICE WERE DOING.

AND THE GUY IS A TOTAL CREEP.

IF YOU ACTUALLY SIT THERE AND WATCH THE THING YOU SHOWED THE VIDEO, EMILY, OF THE COPS SHOOING HIM AWAY, WHAT YOU DIDN'T SHOW IS HE TURNED AROUND AND DROPPED AN F BOMB ON THE COPS.

NO LETTING JOURNALIST WOULD BEHAVE THAT WAY.

COUPLE OF YEARS AGO RECOGNIZE IN NEW ZEALAND, THE GUY WITH THE HELMET CAM ON, HE INTENDED TO LIFE STREAM AND HE DID.

THESE PLATFORMS NEED TO RENT AN EYE OWE IFIOTA OF RESPONSIBILITY, AND CRACK DOWN OR DO AWAY WITH THE LIFE STREAMED EVENTS THAT SHOULD NOT BE LIFE STREAMED.

>> EMILY AS YOU POINTED OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE THAT CAN COME FROM THIS FOOTAGE RIGHT?

IT IS INFORMATIONAL IN TERMS OF A TIME PIPELINE A TICK-TOCK OF WHAT WAS HAPPENED.

BUT I THINK THE POINT OF JUDGMENT IS IMPORTANT.

I REMEMBER COVERING THE NORTH HOLLYWOOD SHOOTINGS IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA, MANY YEARS AGO.

WHILE OUR CAMERAS WERE THERE AND WE WERE ROLLING AND EVEN SENDING BACK THE LIVE SIGNAL, WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT WHAT THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO SHOW.

THEY DIDN'T WANT THE SHOOTER TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE MOVING.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT CONVERSATION TO TAKE PLACE.

THE CAVEAT OF THAT IS SOMETIMES AS JOURNALISTS WE ARE TOO QUICK TO SAY YES TO WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ASKING US IN THE NAME OF PROTECTING THEIR MOVEMENTS WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO KEEP US FROM COVERING THE STORY, RIGHT?

I PUT THAT IN THERE AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.

HAVING SAID ALL OF THIS I DO THINK THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE.

IT'S IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND I WOULDN'T TAKE IT DOWN.

>> YOU KNOW, I'M INCREDIBLY TORN ON THIS.

IF I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER WHO HAD DIED IN THAT SHOOTING I WOULD WANT THE VIDEO TAKEN DOWN IMMEDIATELY.

IF HE, THROUGH HIS ACTIONS AND HIS HOSTILE, COMBATIVE REFUSAL TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM THE POLICE NOT IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY LIKE DAN WAS TALKING ABOUT BUT JUST ABOUT A KNEE JERK, ANTIAUTHORITARIAN WAY, IF PEOPLE HAD DIED BECAUSE OF THAT, THEN THIS MAN WOULD JUSTIFIABLY GET A WHOLE TON OF BLAME.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT WHEN I WATCHED THE VIDEO, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER PIECE OF COVERAGE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT CAPTURED THE VISCERAL HORROR OF THAT KIND OF AN EVENT LIKE THIS DID.

I DIDN'T WANT TO WATCH IT AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND WATCH IT.

BUT WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTRY AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT DOCUMENTED IN AS POWERFUL WAY AS HE DID.

SO THE BEST ADVICE I CAN COME UP WITH, FACEBOOK, YOUTUBE, OTHER PLAT FORMS SHOULD BE ABLE TO INTERRUPT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEING BROADCAST LIVE BUT ONCE IT'S OUT THERE EVEN BEFORE IT'S OUT THERE I THINK THERE IS A PLACE FOR THIS KIND OF FOOTAGE AS MACABRE AND AWFUL AS IT IS.

YOU WOULD LEAVE IT UP.

>> YES.

>> Rooney: WE'VE ALL BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT A "SURGE" OF UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER, TURNING THE SITUATION INTO A "CRISIS" AT DETENTION CENTERS, BUT THOSE TWO WORDS MIGHT NOT APTLY DESCRIBE THE SITUATION AT ALL.

UNFORTUNATELY, A LACK OF MEDIA ACCESS TO THOSE DETENTION CENTERS MAKES THE TRUTH ELUSIVE.

FROM A DISTANCE, REPORTERS HAVE SEEN MIGRANTS HEADING TO THE BORDER.

>> WE WITNESSED MORE THAN 25 APPREHENSIONS.

IT'S A COMMON PHENOMENON THIS TIME OF YEAR.

PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED THEM CARAVANS.

>> HISTORIC SURGE OF MIGRANTS.

>> DEEPEN THIS CRISIS.

>> Reporter: BUT IS IT ANOTHER PERIODIC SURGE OR A TRUE CRISIS?

ACCORDING TO THE "WASHINGTON POST," WHICH ANALYZED DATA OVER NINE YEARS, IT'S NEITHER.

BUT THE ISSUE HAS BECOME A POLITICAL HOT POTATO.

>> NOW WE HAVE A TRUE CRISIS IN DETENTION FACILITIES.

>> Rooney: THAT'S OHIO'S REPUBLICAN SENATOR ROB PORTMAN, WHO WAS ALLOWED INTO A DETENTION FACILITY.

BUT THE WATCHDOG SITE MEDIA MATTERS SAYS THE PRESS IS ADOPTING THE LANGUAGE OF THE G.O.P.

WITHOUT KNOWING FOR SURE WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE.

>> THIS IS AS CLOSE AS OUR CAMERA CAN GET.

BORDER PATROL IS NOT GRANTING MEDIA ACCESS.

>> Rooney: THAT'S TRUE.

CITING COVID RESTRICTIONS, THE MEDIA IS NOT ALLOWED INTO THE DETENTION CENTERS.

THEY DID ALLOW ONE NBC CREW INTO AN H.H.S.

RECREATION FACILITY, WHERE MIGRANT CHILDREN ARE RELEASED TO.

>> THESE FACILITIES, EVEN HISTORICALLY BACK IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WERE GENERALLY NOT CROWDED.

p>> Rooney: BUT WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE DETENTION CENTERS, THE MEDIA DOESN'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT.

>> WELL, THERE ARE A LOT MORE KIDS IN CAGES RIGHT NOW.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO KNOW.

EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW, AND WE WILL FIND OUT.

DAN AS YOU HEARD PRESIDENT BIDEN SAY AT HIS PRESS BRIEFING HE WAS GOING TO LET THE MEDIA IN AT SOME POINT.

HE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN, HE WAS KIND OF FLIPPANT ON THAT POINT.

IS TED CRUZ SAID TRUE, IS THERE MORE KIDS IN CAGES?

OR AS THE "WASHINGTON POST" SAID, THE REGULAR SEASONAL, NOT AS BAD AS SOME WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

WOULD YOU THINK THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WOULD WANT THE STORY OUT THERE AS IT STANDS.

>> YOU WOULD THINK SO BECAUSE INDEED THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION AND YOU'VE HAD EVEN THE "WASHINGTON POST" ON THE ONE HAND CALLING IT A SURGE AND SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SEASONAL RIGHT?

>> Rooney: SEASONAL SURGE.

>> DOUBLE COVERAGE HAPPENING.

I THINK FOR THE PRESS THE BEST THING TO DID IS DO COVERAGE AS THIS IS WHAT WE DON'T KNOW INSTEAD OF WHAT IT IS.

STAY AWAY FROM SOME OF THE LANGUAGE SUCH AS SURGE.

THOSE THINGS ARE DIFFICULT TO QUANTIFY IF YOU ARE NOT THERE NOT GETTING ACCESS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO, WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THIS, TO RELY HEAVILY ON DATA, PHOTOGRAPHS, FILE FOOTAGE YOU MIGHT HAVE, DOING MORE OF THAT THAN USING THE FRESH FOOTAGE THAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW, AND THEN ADDING LANGUAGE THAT MAY BE INCORRECT, I THINK IS PROBABLY THE SMART WAY TO GO AT COVERING A STORY WHERE YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE ACCESS.

>> SO THAT'S KEY, THE DATA.

AND WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED, COMEPT WITH THE "WASHINGTON POST" AND A FEW OTHER OUTLETS THAT REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN THE FOREFRONT OF THIS COVERAGE IS THAT THE DATA SHOWS THAT THIS IS YEAR-OVER-YEAR ABOUT THE SAME AND THAT IT IS SEASONAL AND SURGE IS AN INCORRECT TERM.

WHAT WE HAVEN'T SAID IS WE STARTED WE IS JOURNALISTS LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN WITH THAT LENS AFTER THE GOP RAISED THIS AND SAID, BIDEN YOU DON'T -- DON'T CRITICIZE TRUMP.

LOOK AT YOU, LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

SO HERE ARE SOME STORIES THAT COULD HAPPEN EVEN HE NOW, BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATION LETS IN JOURNALISTS TO SEE THOSE PICTURES WHICH SHOULD BE HAPPENING AND THAT IS, WHAT ABOUT THE BACKUP WITH THE ASYLUM JUDGES?

THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

THAT HAS NOT GOT GONE AWAY, THAT HAS GOTTEN WORSE AS A MATTER OF FACT.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO CRITICIZE THE ADMINISTRATION SINCE YOU KNOW IT'S SEASONAL?

ARE YOU NOT PREPARED?

INSTEAD OF GOING ALONG WITH THE NARRATIVE THAT HAS BEEN SET POLITICALLY IN A WAY BY PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY, LET'S NOT FORGET, FROM THE STORMS IN TEXAS AT THE TIME.

THAT'S WHERE THIS STARTED.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT IT.

>> IT'S WORTH UNDERSCORING THAT SOMETHING CAN BE PREDICTABLE, SEASONAL AND ALSO HORRIBLE, FIRST OFF, RIGHT AT THE OUTSET.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE BORDER ISN'T TERRIBLE EVEN IF WE KNEW IT WAS COMING AND IT MATCHES THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.

ALL THE DATA I'VE SEEN LIKE ALL THE DATA YOU'VE SEEN INDICATES THIS IS NOT ONE A SEISMIC ONCE IN A GENERATION EVENT LIKE YOU MIGHT THINK WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THE MEDIA TALK ABOUT IT, AND AS CALLIE SAID, WHEN YOU LISTEN TO REPUBLICANS TALK ABOUT IT.

WE'LL LET YOU HAVE ACCESS SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK IT'S INEXCUSABLE.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SO PEOPLE WOULD STAY AWAY.

BUT THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE FOR THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION KEEPING THE PEOPLE OUT.

NO EXCUSE FOR THAT.

>> I NEVER LIKED TO SAY I TOLD YOU SO, OKAY, MAYBE I DO LIKE TO SAY IT.

BUT I BELIEVE I TOLD YOU TO WATCH FOR THIS FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

BECAUSE JOE BIDEN WAS PART OF ONE OF THE MOST MANIPULATIVE AND MEDIA HYPING ADMINISTRATIONS IN HISTORY, THAT WOULD BE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

I AGREE WITH THAT ON THAT POINT.

HOWEVER, I AGREE THAT A NUMBER OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUTLETS JUMPED ON THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THAT THEY COULD BE JUST AS TOUGH AS THEY WERE DURING THE TRUMP ERA.

AND THAT'S NO WAY TO RUN A SHOW.

THAT'S NO WAY TO GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS.

EVERYONE ELSE HAS MADE GREAT POINTS ABOUT BEING DELIBERATE, BEING CAREFUL ABOUT LANGUAGE, CRISIS, IT'S A VERY POLITICALLY LOADED WORD.

AND LET'S GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT.

LET'S ALSO MAYBE DO SOME MORE RUMOR-DEBUNKING.

I SAW THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS, CALLIE ALLUDED TO THIS I THINK, COMING OUT CLAIMING THAT THIS STUFF WITH THE KIDS WAS ALL A DIVERSION DO ALLOW THUGS AND GANG BANGERS TO SLIP OVER THE BORDER.

YOU KNOW, AND I HAVEN'T HEARD A WORD ABOUT THAT SINCE.

SO THERE'S PLENTY OF WORK FOR THE MEDIA TO BE DOING HERE NOT WHAT THEY WOUND UP DOING.

>> Rooney: DAN JUST ONE THING QUICK ON THE WAREHOUSE PRESS BRIEFING, THAT WAS EMBARRASSING, THERE WAS A GOOD EXCHANGE WITH KRISTIN WELLKER ABOUT THE BORDER EXCHANGE THING, BUT THEY WASTED SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY, IT WAS ALL POLITICALLY MOTIVATED QUESTIONS.

>> I WAS WATCHING THE ENTIRE PRESS CONFERENCE.

AND YOU KNOW YOU KIND OF KNOW HOW THESE THINGS PLAY OUT.

YOU HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO ASK AND WHEN SOMEONE ASKS HIM THE QUESTION YOU HAVE A SECOND ONE.

WE HAVE SOME REALLY SOLID IMPORTANT QUESTIONS TO ASK AND ASK ABOUT 2024 REALLY AT THE FIRST ONE?

IT WAS ASKED TWICE.TWICE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND HE RESPONDED TWICE TO THAT QUESTION.

>> Rooney: BASICALLY SHUT UP.

>> AND NO QUESTIONS ABOUT COVID.

>> Rooney: EXACTLY.

>> AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

>> Rooney: IT'S BEEN AN HISTORIC WEEK IN BOSTON POLITICS.

AFTER SEVEN YEARS, MAYOR MARTY WALSH RESIGNED TO BECOME PRESIDENT BIDEN'S SECRETARY OF LABOR.

THAT MADE CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT KIM JANEY ACTING MAYOR AND THE FIRST WOMAN AND FIRST PERSON OF COLOR TO LEAD THE CITY.

GIVEN BOSTON'S FRAUGHT RACIAL PAST, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF JANEY'S ASCENSION IS CLEAR, BUT HOW TO DESCRIBE HER ISN'T.

ADAM HAS MORE.

>> Reporter: WHEN MARTY WALSH RESIGNED MONDAY, THERE WAS NO UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHO WOULD FILL OR RUN IMOFT.

THE BOSTON CITY CHARTER SAYS THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT TAKES OVER.

THAT PERSON, THE CHARTER ADDS, "SHALL BE CALLED 'ACTING MAYOR,'" AND, IN MANY CASES, THAT'S WHAT THE MEDIA HAS BEEN DOING.

>> KIM JANEY WILL BE SWORN IN AS ACTING MAYOR.

NOW ACTING MAYOR KIM JANEEY.

>> SHE'LL SERVE AS ACTING MAYOR UNTIL THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.

>> Rooney: BUT AFTER JANEY WAS SWORN IN, IT WAS CLEAR THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE'S CALLING HERSELF.

I STAND BEFORE YOU AS THE FIRST WOMAN AND THE FIRST BLACK MAYOR OF BOSTON, THE CITY THAT I LOVE.

>> Reporter: OR, AS SHE PUTS IT ON HER TWITTER BIO, "NOT ACTING.

DOING."

AND AS THIS LOCAL STORY WENT NATIONAL, THE PROVISIONAL NATURE OF JANEY'S ROLE DROPPED AWAY.

>> JOINING US NOW FOR HER FIRST NATIONAL INTERVIEW SINCE BECOME BEING MAYOR OF THE GREAT CITY OF BOSTON IS KIM JANEEY.

>> MAYOR JANEY IS NOW THE CITY'S FIRST BLACK MAYOR AND THE FIRST WOMAN TO EVER HOLD THE TITLE.

>> Reporter: FOR JANEY, DITCHING THE ACTING ASTERISK IS SMART POLITICS.

IN THIS FALL'S MAYORAL ELECTION, VOTERS MAY BE INCLINED TO PICK HER IF THEY THINK SHE ALREADY HAS THE JOB.

BUT AS THE PRESS CELEBRATES JANEY'S ACCOMPLISHMENT, WE SHOULD REMEMBER, SHE HASN'T BEEN ELECTED YET.

>> Rooney: YOU INADAM WHEN YOU FIRST CALLED THIS TO MY ATTENTION, I THOUGHT YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF SMALL POTATOES.

BUT I THOUGHT WAIT A MINUTE, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE RUNNING FOR MAYOR, SIX OR SEVEN DECLARED CANDIDATES AND LIKELY MORE.

THIS IS A LEGITIMATE ISSUE.

KNOW THE NAMES OF THESE PEOPLE BUT NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THEM SO SHE'S GOING TO GAIN THAT FAMILIARITY OVER TIME AS ACTING MAYOR AND THAT'S A GOOD TITLE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD CALL HER.

>> SHE'S GOT A GREAT ADVANTAGE.

ASSUMING THAT SHE WANTS TO RUN FOR MAYOR AND I'M PRETTY SURE SHE DOES.

IT'S WORTH NOTING SHE'S DOING THE EXACT SAME THING THAT TOM MENINO DID IN 1993.

THE PRESS CONTINUALLY CALLED HIM ACTING MAYOR WHICH HE WAS.

HE DIDN'T WANT ANYONE IN CITY HALL USING THAT ACTING ADJECTIVE, IF YOU GET RID OF IT THERE IS SO MANY ADVANTAGES.

FIRST WE POINTED OUT ACCURACY.

SHE IS THE ACTING MAYOR.

SHE IS NOT NOW THE MAYOR OF BOSTON.

EMILY AS YOU SAID, THE SECOND REASON, THERE ARE FIVE VERY STRONG TELL ME IF I'M MISSING ONE, WHO HAVE SAID THEY ARE RUNNING, ASIDE FROM JANEY.

THE FIRST PERSON OF COLOR TO BE ELECTED CITYWIDE.

TO BE FAIR FOR THEM, RATHER THAN HOW JANEY WOULD LIKE THEM TO SEEM TO BE.

>> I THINK THE REASON WHY THEY JUMPED ON IT THE WAY THEY DID, IT'S KIND OF THE FEEL-GOOD STORY OF THE MOMENT, RIGHT?

AND THERE IS THIS SENSE I CAN ALMOST HEAR THE CONVERSATION INTERNALLY.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO USE ACTING.

SHE IS THE MAYOR, ISN'T SHE SO LET'S JUST GO WITH MAYOR.

ACTING SORT OF TAKES AWAY FROM THE FEEL GOOD STORY RIGHT IF YOU WILL.

WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF REPORTING FACTS AND WE SHOULD BE.

AND IN A TIME AND I'VE SAID THIS SO MANY TIMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WATCHING AND LISTENING TO EVERY WORD THAT WE SAY, AND CASTING DOUBT, REALLY, OR LOOKING AT US WITH QUESTION MARKS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WHAT WE'RE DELIVERING ARE TRULY THE FACTS, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS FACTUAL, IT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE IT.

WE NEED TO CALL IT IF WAY IT IS.

IF YOU ARE THE ACTING MAYOR THEN YOU'RE THE ACTING MAYOR.

IT IS NOT A FEEL GOOD FEELING LIKE THE MEDIA, WE'RE HERE TO REPORT THE FACTS.

>> YEAH BUT THE FACTS HERE ARE A LITTLE VAGUE IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S CORRECT MEDIA STYLE.

I SPEND SOME TIME AND I'LL NEVER GET THOSE MINUTES BACK IN MY LIFE BUT I SPENT SOME TIME ONLINE RESEARCH, LOOKING FOR STYLE GUIDES, ASSOCIATED PRESS, NEW YORK TIMES FOR THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THIS AND THERE ISN'T ONE.

SO I PROPOSE A COMPROMISE.

HOW DO YOU LIKE THIS?

SHE'S THE ACTING MAYOR, 80, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND SHOULD BE -- YES THAT IS CORRECT, AND SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED THAT WAS IN CIE CHIRON ON TV.

PRESIDENT BIDEN, THE TIMES, MR. BIDEN, OTHER NEWS ORGANIZATIONS WOULD SAY BIDEN FURTHER DOWN IN THEIR STORY, WHY DON'T WE JUST REFER TO HER AS MAYOR FROM THEN ON IN THE STORY.

BECAUSE NO ONE'S SEEING KIM JANEY IN THE STREET IS GOING TO SAY HEY THERE GOES THE ACTING AMERICAN.

THEY'RE GOING TO SAY HEY, IT'S MAYOR JANEY.

>> I CAN TELL YOU FIVE WHO WILL.

>> I LIKE IT.

>> SO LET ME FOLLOW UP ON WHAT JON HAS SAID.

WHAT'S A LITTLE TRICKY HERE IS SHE HAS THE ROLE OF MAYOR.

IN AN ACTING POSITION.

AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT OTHER SITUATIONS, WHEN PEOPLE ARE INTERIM, THEY HAVE THE FULL RANGE OF POWER AT THAT TIME.

>> Rooney: SHE DOESN'T.

>> IN BOSTON SHE DOES NOT.

DAN IT WAS NOT A WARM AND FUZZY STORY FOR THOSE NETWORKS AND EVERYONE ELSE.

A BLACK PERSON IS IN HIGH RANKING POSITION IN THE CITY, IS IT'S OH MY GOD IT'S BOSTON, THAT'S WHY IT GOT SO MUCH ATTENTION.

THE SEMANTICS PART WHICH IN THIS CASE SADLY HAS TO DO WITH THE LIMITS OF HER POWERS HAVE TO BE STATED AS JON HAS SAID, MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR, BECAUSE SHE DOES HAVE LIMITED POWERS.

BUT THEN YOU CAN ALSO REFER TO HER AS MADAM MAYOR BECAUSE THAT'S AN HONORIFIC.

THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT BUT RAISED BY ADAM IN HIS STORY, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND MAKING SURE YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT A DIS, THIS IS WHAT IT IS.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT I DON'T THINK WE RESOLVED THIS BUT CLOSE ENOUGH.

TIME NOW FOR RANTS AND RAIFERS AND START WITH ADAM.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET HIS NAME RIGHT, RAVE FOR BOSTON HERALD SPORTS SECTION, HE HAS BEEN AHEAD OF EVERYONE AS WE HAVE HAD THIS CONTROVERSY BLOW UP AROUND REALLY GROTESQUE ANTISEMITIC BEHAVIOR SURROUNDING THE DUCKS FOOTBALL TEAM.

AS EVERYONE HAS KNOWN, THEY HAVE BEEN USING TERMS LIKE AUSCHWITZ AND DREDEL.

MATT FELD HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THE BOTTOM OF WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BEING SAID, VERY YOUNG GUY AS WE SAW THERE AND IT IS COOL TO SEE SOMEONE IN A POSITION THERE, AGAIN A FREELANCER DRIVER A STORY THAT REALLY MATTERS A LOT.

>> Rooney: AND YOU'RE RIGHT ADAM, WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS BEING SAID, IT TOOK A WHILE TO COME YOU OT, PEOPLE KNEW AND DIDN'T SAY, THAT IS THE KIND OF THING YOU NEED TO KNOW, AND I AGREE.

DAN LOTHIAN.

>> I HAVE A RANT FOR ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THE PRESS CONFERENCE WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN.

SO MANY QUESTIONS WERE ASKED FOR OVER AN HOUR AND NOT ONE SINGLE QUESTION WAS ASKED ON COVID.

IMAGINE THAT!

YOU NOAA, THE PRESIDENT DID BEGIN THE PRESS CONFERENCE IN TERMS OF VACCINATIONS AND TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY WERE SORT OF MOVING THE BAR UP EVEN HIGHER BUT THERE WERE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PANDEMIC, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE LOOKING AROUND THE WORLD, AND THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT ARE ROLLING INTO THAT THIRD PHASE IF YOU WILL, WHERE IT'S IMPACTING THEM YET AGAIN AND NOT A SINGLE HE REQUEST.

SHAME ON THE REPORTERS FOR ASKING ABOUT 2024, BEFORE PRESSING THE PRESIDENT ON THE PANDEMIC.

>> Rooney: IT WAS TOTALLY EMBARRASSING.

SORRY FOR STEPPING ON YOUR RANT A APPLICABILITY EARLIER.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> Rooney: ALL RIGHT CALLIE.

>> I HAVE A RANT FOR MEET THE PRESS.

REALLY?

YOU DO A WHOLE PANEL DISCUSSION ON THE HATE BEING PERPETRATED AGAINST ASIANS IN THIS COUNTRY.

THE VIOLENCE AFTER THE SHOOTING OF THE EIGHT PEOPLE IN ATLANTA.

AND THERE IS NOT ONE COMMENTER WHO IS ASIAN.

ARE YOU FOR REAL?

YOU KNOW, I WOULD CALL IT A ROOKIE MISTAKE EXCEPT THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS, ALLEGEDLY.

I MEAN THIS IS JUST BASIC.

REALLY?

I'M JUST EMBARRASSED FOR THEM.

AND I'M OUTRAGED THAT THIS IS STILL HAPPENING IN 2021.

>> Rooney: I MEAN YOU GOT TO WONDER CALLIE, IF THEY TRIED SOMEONE -- >> THERE IS 20,000 ASIAN COMMENTATORS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ONE MINUTE.

>> Rooney: THEY WENT WITH WHOEVER THEY HAD BOOKED.

THAT'S CRAZINESS.

ALL RIGHT JON KELLER.

>> I HAVE A RAGE FOR THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS IN THE SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT TELEVISING ARGUMENTS.

TALKED ABOUT SINCE 1937, HERE WE ARE 90 YEARS LATER AND STILL DEBATING IT.

THEY'VE BEEN BROADCASTING THE ORAL ARGUMENTS LIVE JUST THE AUDIO, SINCE LAST SPRING BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, WITHOUT THE REPUBLIC DISSOLVING INTO A HEAP OF RUBBLE.

AND THE ARGUMENT AGAINST DOING THAT IS IT WOULD MAKE JUSTICES ACT DIFFERENTLY.

WHASHWHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO, MOON THE CAMERAS?

IT'S THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

>> Rooney: I WOULD GO SO FAR AS FEDERAL EXECUTIONS, IT IS A RIGHT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WATCH IT BUT FEDERAL TRIALS MOST CERTAINLY THAT IS OUR RIGHT TO SEE THAT.

THE FACT THAT WHITEY BULGER'S TRIAL WASN'T TELECAST, IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

>> I'M NOT ARGUE BEING FOR THAT.

>> Rooney: I WOULD BE.

>> IT'S LONG PASTIME TO TAKE THAT FIRST STEP.

>> Rooney: FINALLY TONIGHT I HAVE A RANT -- I MEAN POOH RAVE FOR DOMINION.

AND THAT IS THE OUTSIDE FIT THAT DID THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES FOR THE ELECTIONS.

I DON'T NORMALLY RAVE FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS FILING A LAWSUIT AGAINST MEDIA COMPANIES BUT THIS IS A SERIOUS DEFAMATION LAWSUIT, THE SECOND ONE THAT DOMINION HAS FILED AGAINST FOX.

THIS IS AGAINST THE COMPANY, THEY HAVE FILED OTHERS AGAINST FOX PERSONALITIES, LOU DOBZ, MARIA BARTOROMO, RUDY GIULIANI.

SMARTMATICS HAS FILED SUIT.

A LOT OF EXPERTS SAY THEY HAVE GOT GOOD SOLID MATERIAL.

FOX'S DEFENSES, WE WERE JUST MAKING IT UP.

THAT'S IT FOR OUR SHOW.

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I'M EMILY ROONEY.

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