>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, OPEN ENROLLMENT FOR MEDICARE ENDS DECEMBER 7th AND HOW BEST TO NAVIGATE THE MEDICARE LANDSCAPE.

AND LATER, A NEW DOCUMENT TO SHARE THOUGHTS ON THE GRAND CANYON.

MEDICARE ENROLLMENT IS TAKING PLACE NOW THROUGH DECEMBER 7th DECEMBER 7th.

STATE HEALTH INSURANCE OR SHIPS ARE DESIGNED TO HELP THOSE WHO QUALIFY FOR MEDICARE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN BE A DOWNTOWNING PROCESS.

TONIGHT AS PART OF THE MONTHLY AARP SEGMENT HIGHLIGHTING OLDER ADULTS IN ARIZONA, WE LEARN MORE ABOUT ALL THINGS MEDICARE.

JOINING US IS THE MEDICARE PROGRAM COORDINATOR FOR THE PI MA COUNCIL ON AGING.

IT IS DECEMBER 7th, THE DEADLINE, CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> Ted: GIVES US A GOOD DEFINITION OF MEDICARE.

>> WELL, IT'S A PROGRAM THAT HELPS PEOPLE WHO HAVE RETIRED AT THE AGE OF 65 AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO ARE ON DISABILITY AFTER 24 MONTHS, THEY CAN ROLL OVER TO MEDICARE AND RUN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

IT NOW HAS ANOTHER BRANCH THAT IS A MEDICARE ADVANTAGE BY PRIVATE COMPANIES.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION WHERE PEOPLE DECIDE WHAT PLAN TO GO WITH.

>> Ted: AGAIN, 65 YEARS OF AGE, THAT'S RIGHT NOW, THE MINIMUM WAGE?

>> THAT IS THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT AGE, 65 YEARS AND ABOVE.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT SPOUSES, LINDA?

>> MEDICAID IS SPECIFIED AND IF YOUR SPOUSE IS YOUNGER THAN 65 AND NOT READY TO SIGN UP FOR MEDICARE, THEY CANNOT UNLESS THEY ARE OFF MEDICAID.

IT'S EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON, UNLIKE THE PLANS THAT WE SEE WITH, LET'S SAY, EMPLOYERS WHERE IT'S A PLAN WHERE YOU SIGN UP YOURSELF AND FAMILY.

MEDICAID LOOKS AS YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

THE SPOUSE WOULD COME INTO FACTOR, WHERE DOES THE SPOUSE HAVE COVERAGE BY THE EMPLOYER OR WHICHEVER SPOUSE IS CURRENTLY EMPLOYED.

>> Ted: LINDA, FIRST TIME PEOPLE SIGNING UP, WHAT DO THEY NEED TO KNOW?

>> WELL, WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW IS THAT IT BEGINS AT SOCIAL SECURITY, WHEN YOU HAVE TO CALL THE SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE AND YOU LET THEM KNOW YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SIGN UP ON MEDICARE AND YOU'RE MEDICARE ELIGIBLE.

ONCE YOU DO THAT, WHAT PLAN YOU CHOOSE AND THEN YOU CAN CALL YOUR LOCAL -- (INAUDIBLE) -- AND TEACH ABOUT THE BASICS OF MEDICARE AND WHAT YOU NEED.

>> Ted: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT REPEATED AGAIN BECAUSE WE LOST A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR CONNECTION.

AFTER THE ESSENTIAL SECURITY CONTACT, WHAT'S NEXT?

AFTER CONTACTING ASSOCIATION CONTACTING SOCIAL SECURITY, YOU CHOOSE A PLAN, THE PERSON IS, YOU WOULD BE BEST SERVED, CALLING ONE OF YOUR AGENTS TO LEARN ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MEDICARE PROGRAMS IN YOUR AREA BECAUSE THEY VARY, ESPECIALLY THE MEDICARE VARIES FROM PLAN TO PLAN AND AREA TO AREA.

>> Ted: THESE ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED AGAIN?

>> YES.

>> Ted: WHAT DO THEY DO?

>> THEY ARE STAFFED PRIMARILY BY VOLUNTEERS WITH A FEW PAID STAFF AND WHAT WE DO IS EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON THE DIFFERENT PLANS OF MEDICARE THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND THEY HELP THEM AVOID PENALTIES THAT USUALLY KNOWING WHAT THE DEADLINES ARE AND YOU ARE VERY WELL VERSED ON WHAT YOU CONSIDER SIGNING UP ON THE PLAN.

>> Ted: ONE-ON-ONE ASSISTANT PROGRAMS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ONE-ON-ONE IS AVAILABLE AND IN BETWEEN OUTSIDE OF OPEN ENROLLMENT, WE GO OUT INTO GROUP COMMUNITY AVERAGE, WHERE WE MEET WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE.

SAY TEAM ACCOUNTING, WE GO TO DIFFERENT LIBRARIES, WHERE WE MEET WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE NEEDS INFORMATION ON MEDICARE AND DO A PRESENTATION ON UNDERSTANDING MEDICARE BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND QUITE OVERWHELMING.

>> Ted: IT SURE SEEMS TO BE AND EVERYTHING FROM YOUR HEALTH PLAN, PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN AND MEDICARE ADVANTAGE.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS STUFF?

>> WELL, THE BEST WAY FOR US TO HELP THE MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF PEDIATRICIAN PLAN ARE YOUPRECIPITATIONPRESCRIPTION PLAN.

IT MAKES WHETHER YOU TRAVEL GO GO TRADITIONAL.

IT VARIES AND SPOUSES IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD MAY END UP WITH DIFFERENT PLANS.

TYPICALLY, THE PRESCRIPTION PLANS BECAUSE PEOPLE TAKE DIFFERENT MEDICATIONS.

>> Ted: SUPPLEMENTAL POLICIES, YOU CAN DROWN YOURSELF IN THOSE, CAN'T YOU?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE ALSO HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO GET A SUPPLEMENTAL POLICY.

ITIT'S NOT MANDATORY, BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THAT BECAUSE TRADITIONAL MEDICARE PAYS 80% OF YOUR COST OF CARE AND SO THE 20% IS EITHER GOING TO BE FROM YOUR POCKET OR YOU CAN BUY A SUPPLEMENTARY PLAN AND KEEP THE OTHER BENEFITS, AS WELL.

SOME PEOPLE PAY OUT OF POCKET, BUT IT COMES IN HANDY IF YOU'RE ON TRADITIONAL MEDICARE AND STAYING HOSPITALIZED AND THAT 20% ADDS UP.

>> Ted: I BET IT DOES.

FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING INTO THE SYSTEM, IS THERE A DEADLINE FOR THOSE WHO ARE 64, WHEN THEY'RE COMING UP ON 65?

ONE, TWO, THREE MONTHS EARLY AND HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> WHEN YOU KNOW YOU TURN 65, YOU HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE INITIAL ENROLLMENT PERIOD WHICH DOES NOT INVOLVE THE PEOPLE WITH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT RIGHT NOW.

THE INITIAL ENROLLMENT PERIOD IS BEFORE THE MONTH YOU TURN 65 AND THE THREE MONTHS UP TO THE MONTH YOU TURN 65.

THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE THE SEVEN MONTHS TO SELECT A PLAN FOR YOURSELF AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS FOR YOU.

AND WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT WITH THAT IS THAT THIS ARE DEADLINES THAT GO WITH WHEN YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR YOUR SUPPLEMENTARY PLAN.

THERE'S A SIXHT MONTH GUARANTEE ISSUE THAT IS A HUGE, HUGE, HUGE PERIOD TO SIGN UP WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH UNDERWRITING OR LOOKING AT YOUR HEALTH HISTORY.

>> Ted: THOSE ARE FOR FOLKS ABOUT TO TURN 65.

FOR THOSE ON MEDICARE AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING, WHAT ARE THE DEADLINES AND HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> THIS IS THEIR MOMENT, THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PERIOD OF OCTOBER 16th TO DECEMBER 7th IS WHEN YOU SAY YOUR MEDICATIONS HAVE CHANGE CHANGED AND YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE AND DO THROUGH THE GO THROUGH THE PLANS AVAILABLE.

PEOPLE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT SOME PLANS LEAVE THE AREA, SAY, BECAUSE MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLANS WORK WITH A NETWORK AND SAME THING WITH PRESCRIPTION PLANS, STAND-ALONE PRESCRIPTION PLAN.

THEY LEAVE AND WANT TO KNOW IF THERE ARE CHANGES AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO FIND ANOTHER PLAN SO YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A PLAN YOU WOULD RATHER NOT PICK UP.

>> Ted: IT SOUNDS LIKE HELP IS NEEDED AND FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO GET INVOLVED, YOU HAVE A PHONE NUMBER OR WEBSITE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE HAVE THE KNOWN NUMBER.

IT'S (800)432-4040.

WHEN YOU CALL THAT NUMBER, IT WOULD DIRECT YOU TO THE COUNTY WHERE YOU ROAD RESIDE.

>> Ted: LINDA, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, A MUSEUM THAT LOOKS AT THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN OF MARICOPA.

>> THE MARICOPA MUSEUM OPENED LAST MONTH AND DESIGNED TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF MARICOPA.

PAUL SHIRK IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND JOINS US NOW AND WELCOME.

>> APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> I HAD NO IDEA MARICOPA HAD THIS MUCH HISTORY AND THOUGHT IT WAS BUILT IN THE DESERT IN ONE OF THESE SUBURBAN AREAS.

I MEAN, THIS HAD THREE LOCATIONS OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.

>> RIGHT.

THERE ARE MANY SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC FACTORS THAT LEAD INTO THAT.

THE FIRST SITE, MARICOPA WELLS, THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE LIVED ON THE SIDE THE JILA RIVER FOR THE WATERFLOW AND AS THAT DIMINISHED, THEY DUG WELLS AND A HIGH WATER TABLE THERE.

THAT WAS TREE PRODUCTIVE AND FRUITFUL AND ADVENTURERS WOULD COME THROUGH AND THE STAGECOACH LINE DECIDED GO THROUGH.

AN INTERESTING THANK I ALWAYS FOUND AS WE TALKED TO PEOPLE AND LOOKED AT WRITINGS AND JOURNALS FROM THE EARLY ERAS, MARICOPA WAS KNOWN FOR FRIENDLINESS AND THE FACT THEY HAD ONE OF THE BEST STATIONS.

THERE WERE 27 STATIONS ACROSS ARIZONA.

MARICOPA WAS IN THE MIDDLE AND THEY WERE KNOWN FOR THE BEST FOOD AND FOR THE BEST ACCOMMODATIONS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SPARTAN AT THAT TIME.

>> Ted: I READ IT DEVELOPEDS A DEVELOPED AS MAIL LINES.

>> AN INTERESTING ARTICLE, THEIR MAIL WAS ALWAYS ON TIME AND SO, NOT ONLY AGAIN WAS THAT COMMUNITY FEELING, BUT IT WAS A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY.

STAGE COACHES WERE AN INTERESTING THING.

THEY THINK OF THIS AS A CONCORD WAGON AND THOSE YOU SEE IN THE MOVIES OR THE JOHN WAYNE.

BUT IN ARIZONA, THERE WAS A SOLARITY WAGON.

AS THEY LEFT FROM St.LOUIS AND GOT SPOT INTO ARIZONA AND OTHER TERRITORIES, THOSE WAGONS WEREN'T MEANT FOR THAT TRAVEL.

THEY TRANSFERRED PEOPLE FROM THE CONCORD COACH INTO A SOLARITY WAGON OR MUD WAGON.

WE'VE TRIED TO GIVE OLD NEWSPAPER ARTICLES TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

WHEN WE HAVE A DRAWING OR ILLUSTRATION, WE'LL RECREATE THAT SCENE IN A DIARAMA AND THAT WAY PEOPLE, OLDER KIDS AND YOUNGER KIDS, COULD SEE THOSE THINGS.

IT MAKES IT MORE ENGAGING, WE THINK.

>> Ted: I BET IT DOES.

MARICOPA WELLS AND THINGS ARE GOING AND EIGHT MILES NORTH OF THE CURRENT TOWN OF MARICOPA.

>> CORRECT.

>> Ted: YOU MOVED TO MARICOPAVILLE AND EAST.

WHY THE MOVE?

>> SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILWAY.

NOW THE RAIL CAME INTO PREDOMINANCE INSTEAD OF THE STAGE COACH AND THE MULE WAGONS AND THEY FINALLY MADE A LINE THAT CONNECTED FROM SAN FRANCISCO DOWN THROUGH CALIFORNIA ACROSS TO YUMA INTO MARICOPAVILLE AND IT WAS SEEN AS THE TERMINUS AND IT WAS AN EXPEDITION FROM St.LOUIS TO MARICOPA.

THEY SOLD LOTS.

AT THIS TIME, IT WAS SO POPULAR AND THE PEOPLE WERE PAYING SUCH A HIGH PRICE FOR LOTS AND STARTING BUSINESSES THERE THAT IT WAS EVEN MENTIONED AS POSSIBLY A SITE FOR THE STATE CAPITAL.

IT WAS SEEN AS VERY GOOD.

THEY ADD A BOOMING BUSINESS BECAUSE AS THE TRAIN THEN CAME TO MARICOPAVILLE, THEY HAD WAGONS THAT WOULD TAKE THE FREIGHT UP INTO ARIZONA, TEMPE, PHOENIX AND ALL THE WAY INTO PRESCOTT.

WE HAVE INTERESTING ADJOURN UNTILES ANDJOURNALSTHAT TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT HAD FOR THE WHOLE STATE.

>> Ted: AND YET, YOU MOVE EAST OF MARICOPAVILLE AND THEN MARICOPAVILLE MOVES THREE MILES FURTHER EAST TO MARICOPA JUNCTION.

IT SOUNDED LIKE MARICOPAVILLE WAS GOING GREAT GUNS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO MARICOPAVILLE?

>> THEY WENT FROM BOOM TO BUST.

THEY WERE AT THE HEIGHT OF THINGS AND THEN THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC RAILWAY, AGAIN, THE HEAVY HITTER SAID THAT WE'VE CHANGED OUR MIND.

WE WERE GOING TO RUN FROM MAYOR MARICOPAVILLE INTO SOUTH PHOENIX.

>> THEY WON OUT AND THEY WANTED THE RAIL LINE TO COME TO THE EASTERN PART AROUND SOUTH MOUNTAIN INTO TEMPE FIRST.

IF PEOPLE WANTED TO GO FURTHER, THEY WOULD HAVE A SPUR LINE TO PHOENIX AND OVER TO MESA.

TEMPE WON.

THAT MEANT THAT THE TOWN HAD TO MOVE SO THAT THE JUNCTION WOULD BE IN LINE WITH TEMPE.

>> Ted: IT SERVED AS A JUNCTION FOR HOW LONG?

DID I SEE 40 SOME ODD YEARS?

>> YES.

IT WAS A PRECURSOR TO WHAT WE WISH WE HAD NOW WITH THE TRAFFIC ON THE 347.

>> Ted: YES.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT MARICOPA NOW AND I HAD TO VISIT AND PLAYED THE GULF COURSE IN SOUTHERN DOWNS.

>> VERY NICE.

>> Ted: THE 347, IF YOU'RE ON THE WRONG END OF THAT, THAT IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC DOWN THERE.

GROWTH CONCERNS FOR THE CURRENT MARICOPA, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?

>> WELL, WE'VE CRESTED 70,000 AND NOW THE LARGEST IN PINAL COUNTY AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO GARNER THE PROPER FUNDING IN COOPERATION WITH THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS WHICH YOU ALWAYS NEED TO WIDEN THAT ROAD.

THEY HAVE EXISTING AGREEMENTS WHICH MAKE THE WIDENING EASY TO GET THE LAND BECAUSE THEIR COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE INDIAN TRIBES.

THIS IS WHERE THE CHALLENGE IS.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT, OUR NEW MAYOR SAID HOW IS GARNER THAT.

>> Ted: BEFORE YOU GO, LAST QUESTION.

ARE THERE MARKERS FOR MARICOPAVILLE AND MARICOPA WELLS?

ARE THERE AREAS ARE HAVE THEY BEEN BUILT OVER?

>> THEY'VE BEEN BUILT OVER.

THE SITE OF MARICOPA WELLS IS ON NATIVE LAND AND SO THEY'RE PROTECTIVE OF THAT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

PEOPLE DIDN'T RESPECT IT AND THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE AND TRIED TO GET THINGS FROM THE AREA.

THAT'S A VERY PRIVATE LAND AND RET SENTRETICENT.

>> IT'S A CASUAL PLACE.

>> Ted: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

♪♪ >> JANET AND BOB ARE LONG-TIME ARIZONA WRITERS AND PERSON PERSONALITIES AND THEY FOCUS ON THE WOMEN OF THE OLD WEST, GUTTY, FEARLESS, SMART AND STUBBORN WOMEN WHO ARE UNKNOWN AND THE BOOK IS TITLED "HELL RAISERS AND TRAILBLAZERS.

GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH AGAIN.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> Ted: WHO DO WE START WITH.

JANET, WHAT SET THIS OFF?

>> WELL, THIS HAS BEEN BOB'S DREAM FOR 30 YEARS AND MINE FOR 20.

WE'VE BEEN WRITING ABOUT THESE INCREDIBLE WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN UNKNOWN TO WOMEN AS MEN TRIED TO CLAIM THEY ALONE HAD DONE THE WEST AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE.

AND OUR COLLABORATION CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE SURE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE OLD WEST AND HOW STRONG AND FABULOUS THESE WOMEN WERE.

>> Ted: HONKY TONKS, YOU HAD THEM FOR 30 YEARS?

>> I HAD THIS IDEA I WOULD DO A TIMELINE AND TIME FOR WOMEN OF THE WILD WEST AND LIFE GOT IN THE WAY.

I HAD KIDS AND I WOKE UP 20 YEARS LATER AND SAID TWO THINGS TO MYSELF.

ONE IS, IT'S TIME FOR THE BOOK AND TWO, A HONKY MAN CAN'T DO THIS BY HIMSELF.

[ Laughter ] >> HE BETTER HAVE A FEMALE AND ONLY ONE WOMAN TO CALL.

>> Ted: YOU'VE BEEN DOWN THIS TRAIL BEFORE, I SHOULD SAY.

>> I'VE BEEN WRITING WITH BOB AND WORKING ON HIS MAGAZINE FOR 20 SOME YEARS NOW AND, IN FACT, I WROTE A COLUMN EVERY MONTH AND NOW I WRITE ABOUT OLD WEST SAVIORS INCLUDING WOMEN.

WE'VE BEEN JOINED AT THE HIP FOR A LONG TIME HERE, PARTNERS ALL THE WAY.

>> Ted: TRUE WEST MAGAZINE BRUNG YOU, HUH?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Ted: THE HEADLINE FOR CHARLOTTE HALL, SHE PULLED A GUN ON GROVER CLEVELAND.

>> YOU GAVE AWAY THE PUNCHLINE.

>> Ted: THAT'S MY JOB.

[ Laughter ] >> WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE CHARLOTTE HALL AND JANNA HAD A FABULOUS NARRATIVE HOW SHE DID EVERYTHING AND I FOUND, I SEEM TO REMEMBER THERE WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE SHE PULLED A GUN ON A FERRY BOAT OR SOMETHING AND SO I CALLED HER AND I SAID, IS THIS TRUE?

AND THE PERSON THERE CAME BACK AND SAID, YES.

SHE WAS OUTSIDE OF TUBA CITY, 1911 AND DO RESEARCH FOR A BOOK AND A RUNNER CAME UP AND SAID HER MOTHER WAS DYING IN SCOT PROS PRESCOTT.

IT STARTED TO STORM, THEY'RE IN A CANYON AND HE SAID, WE CAN'T GO FURTHER.

WE HAVE TO GO BACK.

SHE PULLS A GUN ON GROVER CLEVELAND AND THAT'S REALLY HIS NAME.

SHE SAYS WE'RE GOING.

THEY MADE IT TO WINSLOW.

>> Ted: THAT'S A GREAT STORY.

JENNY ROGERS.

THIS IS DENVER, RIGHT?

>> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT JENNY ROGERS -- MY CRITERIA WAS DIFFERENT.

GUTSY, CLEVER, ENDEARING AND BEAUTIFUL AND NOT BEAUTIFUL BUT HER QUOTE IS, LEAVE ME ALONE PLEASE SO I CAN GO TO HELL BY MY OWN ROUTE.

[ Laughter ] >> A CLOSE SECOND IS JENNY ROGERS, AND SHE SHOT HER BOYFRIEND AND CAUGHT HIM IN BED AND TOLD THE POLICE AND THIS IS A POLICE "I SHOT HIM BECAUSE I LOVE HIM, DAM HIM."

>> Ted: YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT STUFF UP.

>> YOU CANNOT.

>> Ted: BIG NOSE KATE, CAN YOU DO THAT?

>> NO, I CANNOT.

>> ALL THE BAD GIRLS ARE HIS GIRLS.

>> Ted: WHO?

>> BIG NOSE KATE AND THAT'S DOC HOLIDAY'S GIRLFRIEND AND A LOT OF HISTORIANS ARGUE AND WE GOT INNED WEEDS WHEN ARGUING ABOUT THIS STUFF.

A LOT OF HISTORIANS SAY SHE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG NOSE, OK. AND THERE'S NO CONTEMPORARY REFERENCE TO HER IN ANY NEWSPAPER WITH THAT MONIKER UNTIL 1896 WHEN WYATT ERP CALLS HER "BIG NOSE KATE."

SHE WAS LIVID.

I NEVER WENT BY THAT NAME, SHE SAID.

THERE WERE OTHER NAMES.

THE SANTA FE PAPER CALLED HER A "TIDBIT."

ANYWAY, HERE IS THE PUNCHLINE.

SHE'S ABOUT THE GOT A BIG NOSE, OK. >> WE HAD SOME CONFLICTS WRITING ABOUT THIS BOOK, WHICH WOMEN TO LOOK AT AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THE INCREDIBLE ARRAY OF WOMEN AND CHOOSING SOME FROM EACH OF THE CATEGORIES.

>> Ted: AN APACHE WARRIOR NAMED LOZEN.

>> THE JOAN OF ARK OF THE APACHE AND A CRUCIAL CHARACTER IN THE APACHE WAR, THE INDIAN WARS AND THE LONGEST WAR IN THE HISTORY OF COUNTRY, LONGER THAN ANY WORLD WARS AND MORE TIME FIGHTING.

A SHAMAN AND PSYCHIC AND AS IMPORTANT AS GERONIMO WHO WAS THE CHIEF OF THE TRIBE.

SHE'S A PHENOMENAL WOMAN WHO ENDS UP GETTING EXILED WITH GERONIMO AND DIES IN OKLAHOMA IN ONE OF THE DETAINMENT CAMPS BUT IS THIS PHENOMENALLY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL NATIVE AMERICAN WOMAN.

>> Ted: HOW DO YOU RESEARCH THESE PEOPLE?

>> YOU FIND BOOKS AND LOOK ON THE INTERNET AND YOU GO TO LIBRARIES.

I BUY THESE BOOKS ON "WOMEN OF THE OLD WEST."

I FIND TID BITS AND SHARDS OF THINGS YOU FIND AND LIKE PIECES OF POTTERY.

YOU FIND A PIECE OF INFORMATION AND THAT BUILDS ON THE STORY.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION, HOW DO YOU DRAW THESE FOLKS?

THERE CAN'T BE A LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHS.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT I PRIDE MYSELF ON MAKING IT AS ACCURATE AS I CAN.

IF THEY WORE A DRESS, I WANT TO GO THERE.

IF SHE'S APACHE, I WANT TO GO WITH THE CAMP DRESS.

SO I TRY TO MAKE IT ACCURATE.

>> Ted: CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS BOOK AND VERY ENTERTAINING.

THESE BOOKS, YOU LEARN SOMETHING ALL OF THE TIME.

>> I HOPE SO.

THERE'S OVER 100 WOMEN IN THIS.

>> Ted: CONGRATULATIONS.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW AND THANK YOU FOR JOINS US.

JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING.

COMING UP, MORE THAN A HUNDRED SKYDIVERS HOPING TO BREAK A RECORD HERE IN ARIZONA.