>> Ted: Next on Arizona horizon, former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, MARIE YOVANOVITCH discusses the war in Ukraine and that's coming up on Arizona horizon.

Good evening and welcome to Arizona horizon.

I'm Ted Simons.

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The senate approved a $40 billion emergency humanitarian aid package for Ukraine and this brings the total American investment to $54 billion in over two months and comes as Russia takes control of Southeastern Ukraine in what increasingly looks like a move to annex the region.

And the war in Ukraine continues with Russia gaining ground in some regions retreating in others and our next guest offers a inspector and MARIE YOVANOVITCH, former ambassador to Ukraine and high profile figure in the former impeachment of Donald Trump and we welcome MARIE YOVANOVITCH and good to have you here.

>> Great to be here.

>> Ted: Welcome to Arizona.

>> Thank you.

>> Ted: Were you comfortable writing this memoir and was it cathartic in in some ways?

>> Figuring out what happened because you don't always know in the moment, but it was also hard.

What do you share and keep to yourself and so forth, but it was good for me to do it?

>> Ted: Looking back and seeing things in a different way?

>> Yeah, and, you know, on the professional side, for example, I had no -- I didn't realize I had been working in countries where corruption was such a large issue.

Since the beginning, it was morningMogadishu sew Somalia.

>> Ted: What attracted you?

>> This is a career where you're paid to travel?

>> You get to eat their food and enjoy their culture and seemed great and the other part is that my parents, we were immigrants to this country and like so many immigrants, they were grateful to come to the United States.

They experienced horrors and knew what it was to live in an attractoffed in anautocracy.

>> Ted: You rose through the ranks and experienced this for women.

>> It's still hard for me to talk about because we didn't talk about it at the time because you didn't want to be a trouble-maker or perceived as different in any way.

So it's still hard to talk about.

There was a advantage to being male, pale and yale and while I'm two of those three, I wasn't the male part.

You had to fight hard to be able to move forward.

Found.

>> Ted: You did move forward and won and did that help you?

Let's get to it.

When you were recalled from Ukraine from the Trump Administration, did that help steal you or was that still a shock?

>> I think, yes, and yes.

It did.

I learned the value of persistence and you need to keep trying.

When I was recalled, there was -- that was a difficult time for me because even though the state department told me I had done nothing wrong, nevertheless, I was in effect being fired and I didn't know what would come next.

Would there be some sort of investigation?

What would happen and then fast-forward to the release of the transcript of the perfect phone call that President Trump conducted and in that call, as you may remember, he said, you know, she's bad news and referring to me.

And what caught my attention, she's going to go some things and I didn't know what that meant and what more what he do.

>> Ted: Reading that again, it brings back a lot of memories and it seems like so long ago and not so long ago and the actions by former President Trump and the state department.

Did they remind you of authoritarian regimes in.

>> Trying to get Valensky to do favor for trump's personal gain and I never expected to see that in the United States.

>> Ted: It was a quid pro quo and sure read that way.

>> Yes.

>> Ted: Looking back, do you think you were naive about these things?

>> I don't know if I was naive.

I hoped the Trump Administration would be a typically republican administration and turned out to be not the case.

>> Ted: You decided to not participate in the impeachment inquiry and why did you decide not to do that?

>> It was a difficult call, I'll be frank, because one, you know, the state department and the executive branch was my home for 33 home.

All along, you know, I've stuck to the rules, did what I was supposed to do.

And I was being told by the state department, by the White House not to testify, but Congress is a coequal branch of government.

According to our constitution, they have a duty to oversee the job we do in the executive branch and the constitution also has, you know, a whole clause on impeachment and this was a legal constitutional process and I felt in the end that my duty was to the constitution, not to a particular government.

>> Ted: You appeared very calm and collected there, but that was not necessarily the case, was it?

>> No, not, not at all.

I was very nervous and frightened and sometimes I was angry and I knew I had to present a calm facade and I am glad you thought I did.

>> Ted: When I was reading the book, I remember your opening statement and under your pillow and that's what your mom told you to do.

>> That's right.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: So much in the book on that and this was after the book was published.

>> Ted: Did the invasion by Ukraine surprise you?

>> Yes and no.

So when I was in Ukraine, I thought that the war that continued after Russia invaded -- annexed Crimea and part in the east of Ukraine, I thought -- and the war continued for another eight years, I thought that was enough and destabilizing Ukraine and Russia felt it had enough with that.

But then, of course, when we saw the build-up on three sides of Ukraine, it became clear there was an invasion and the Biden Administration made that public.

>> Ted: Why is Vladimir Putin so interested in Ukraine?

What's the fixation here?

This was a bold move.

>> Fixation, obsession and another one and I think he believes that the Ukrainians are not a distinct people and culture and that Ukraine does not have a right to exist and he wants to bring it back into the fold of mother Russia, recreating, take your pick, the Soviet Union, Russian empire.

I think he made three miscalculations.

One, his military was up to the task and that the west would not be united.

>> Ted: That sounds unusual to make that many miscalculations when you're someone as cunning as Vladimir Putin.

Did that surprise you?

>> It kind of did, but I would also say that I think that many in the west, including myself, I thought that the Russian military would do better than it did.

>> Ted: Going back to this assassination with Ukraine, do the Russian people feel the same way and willing to go through this just for that?

>> You know, it's really hard to know exactly where the Russian people are because they've been gaslighted by the Putin regime for the last 20 plus years and they're getting it big time now and not -- some Russians do have sources of information and most really don't and so, they are fed this pack of lies about, you know, the Nazis and Ukraine and how they're working with the U.S. and NATO and that Putin had no other choice and that the Russian military are heroes for defending mother Russia.

So that's the gaslighting and the lies, but he taps into this strong vein of Russian nationalism and the great patriotic war, as they called world warWorld War II, the fight against the German Nazis and puts that together in a very toxic cocktail of information.

>> Ted: I can never understand the Nazis in Ukraine and are there Nazi groups in Ukraine?

>> Well, just as there are in every country, like the United States, I would add, there are far right groups.

Again, with this information, the cunning thing is, they take truth and add this to the other story and then it becomes hard to sort of take it back to what the little piece of truth is.

>> Ted: Back to the Russian people, any impressions how they feel of the performance of the Russian Army?

I'm assuming Putin thought he would be greeted with flowers and parades and all sorts of things.

>> That's what we understand.

>> Ted: What do the people think?

And they may not even know this.

>> I'm not sure in terms of battlefield damage and dead Russians.

>> Ted: Are the sanctions doing anything and working and your idea, was it a good idea to put sanctions on Russia the way that the U.S. did, oligarchs and was that a good idea?

>> I think so.

If you look at past history where Putin invaded Georgia in 2008, took two parts of Georgia and west did nothing.

In 2014, when he did this way Ukraine, we kicked him out of the G8 and instituted sanctions and he stopped where he did at that time, but used the ensuing eight years to continue the war and also to build up his bank account and to strengthen the Russian Army.

And then he pounced again.

And I think this time, we need to make clear to Putin that he has to stop.

He has to stop this kind of aggressive destabilizing action.

It's not only bad for Ukraine, the U.S. and bad for the world.

>> Ted: Should the U.S. be doing more and something millitary?

>> Direct military intervention?

>> Ted: Yes.

>> They're trying to narrow that channel of supporting Ukraine, deterring Russia and reinforcing NATO's eastern flank.

What we need to be doing and I was glad to see the vote in the senate for the $40 billion in additional supplies for Ukraine, we need to keep on shipping our sophisticated weapon systems to Ukraine.

It needs to be done now and the kind of weapons to have stand-off to prevail millitary.

>> Ted: How does this war end?

>> That's really hard to know.

But my own view is that the Ukrainians are winning.

In the last week, we've had the battle of Kharkiv and we've had the fall of Mariupol and I think that overall, the Ukrainians are system winning and I think they will win because they have western assistance.

But they also know why they are fighting.

This is an existential fine for Ukraine.

>> Ted: It's amazing that Vladimir Putin didn't think he would strengthen nay NATO.

Now you have Finland and Sweden in there.

Talk about backfiring in.

The title is lessons from the edge.

Do you think America right now in general with this information and politics with the what they are, do you think America is at the edge?

>> I don't.

But I think we have a lot of challenges in our country domestically right now and I think it's important that we work on those challenges.

Democracies depend on trust and the trust deficit is very high in all communities and we need to be working together on our common challenges.

We have basic taskers we tasks we need to address.

>> Ted: They say this is in a danger like it hasn't been in my lifetime, do you agree?

>> It's certainly in a challenging place.

>> Ted: I have to ask you this because I'm fascinated.

The rest of the world right now, considering everything we've gone through the past ten years, whatever, how does the rest of the world see America?

>> Different countries look at us in different way, but they are still looking to the United States as the leader and so some are, you know, hoping that we will fail in what I think is a really important challenge right now and, you know, not only in Europe with the Ukraine, Russia war and in the United States.

But most countries are looking to us to right our own ship and continue to play that important role in the world.

>> Ted: MARIE YOVANOVITCH, lessons from the edge and congratulations on the book and a big project to get that done and thank you for joining us.

>> Thank you.

>> Ted: Up next, how phoenix has become an up and coming hub for bioscience.

>> Ted: Phoenix has more than five and a half facilities under development or in the pipeline and enough going onto rebrand part of the city as a bioscience core and we learn more if the phoenix mayor and director Chris Mackec.

>> Good to be back.

>> Ted: Mayor, what is a bioscience hub?

>> A study of emerging bioscience markets and we're number one in the life science job growth and companies that are spinning out of our universities and the city of Phoenix invested in T-Gen and we've all seen this over the last years as the place to be and another that can help you diagnose cancer early and people who want the best possible healthcare and innovation that will make us a safer city.

>> Ted: Did I read Boston has more safer citys?

>> It was exciting for us to find out that we were now in the number two position under construction in the country.

>> Ted: The bioscience core and what does branding have to do with all of this?

>> In early 2000, it was focused on medicine, the medical school and that type of thing and biosciences evolved in wearable technologies, we thought it was better to rebrand as a broader brand of biosciences.

>> Ted: Is that what the idea was?

>> We're seeing interest all over the world, particularly countries looking for a North American outpost and want to know on the cutting edge and who will welcome them and phoenix is known for hospitality and a great place to come to a new community and succeed and the fact that we are attracting that talent and we need to communicate effectively that we are more than a medical school and the medical school continues to be a core.

>> Ted: Gives us the parameters and fourth and seventh street or Monroe and where is this core area?

>> 30 acres that is kind of on the VanBuren to poke and from fourth street to seventh street and it really is kind of soft edges as we have the university of Arizona and ASU and NAU gathering around the core itself and having more soft edges.

>> Ted: As far asAs far as money is concerned, how much has phoenix invested?

>> The private sector and hospitals and just during my time since 2019, we've seen 3.5 billion in investments and looking broader than just the campus and the campus is a huge success story and we're seeing hundreds of millions of dollars of investment near Mayo and we are seeing great companies near or airport.

We hope no one has to suffer from cancer and GE is making the most advance imaging, technology to detect breast cancer in phoenix.

For families like mine deeply impacted by cancer, having so many of the leading edge companies mean the best training, our physicians have the best tools and so I think that it's a city-wide success story and anchored by our downtown.

>> Ted: Indeed, but as far as city investment, is there a number and I thought I saw something around 600 million or something like that and does that ring true?

>> When you look at the city of phoenix and the partners, it's north of $600 million.

>> Ted: Could there be more on the way as far as phoenix city investment or looking for private sector first?

>> There is breaking news but next month, the city of phoenix will announce we will be going to voters in 2023 with a bond package and the 2006 bond was instrumental in bringing the bioscience core to our city and I'm hopeful we can build on that with the success of voters and hopefully, the people who are watching horizon say having better access to cutting-edge medicine to the start-up that are solving challenges is good news and we can build on the success.

>> Ted: Gives us a better indication of how this got started.

I remember the bioscience road and reporting on that and was that ground zero?

>> It really was.

2001, Flynn created the roadmap in partnership with the state and county and next was phoenix's investment in an year that was planned for the Cardinal stadium and that was supposed to be on the 30 acres and smarter people prevailed and it became the core and moving forward to 2004, Tiegen was attracted and they're there today and they were what we call our atom company and stood as the attraction to bringing the company in.

>> Ted: I remember those days and the question was how in the world will we catch up to the Bostons and San Diegos and this type of research has been going on for years and years?

I mean, how has phoenix succeeded in keeping pace with these other regions?

>> We have amazing institutions like Barrows which is the national leader and Mayo to study how will we will fight fans for the native American community and every week there's a new headline to celebrate the success and I think the lifestyle, but we had great anchor institutions to come up with the great discoveries, building strong companies.

>> Ted: Kristine, we'll see construction going on here between fourth and seven Seventh street.

>> Ted: Good to have you both and sounds like things are going great and thank you so much for joining us and you have a great evening.