>> ONE YEAR SINCE PERMITLESS CARRY.

READING CURRICULUM FAILURES.

PLUS, CURTIS HILL TOUTS THE IWIR POLL AND MORE.

FROM THE TELEVISION STUDIOS AT WFYI IT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING JULY 28, 2023.

>> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS.

>> THIS WEEK IT'S BEEN ABOUT A YEAR SINCE INDIANA REMOVED THE REQUIREMENT FOR A PERMIT TO LEGALLY CARRY A GUN FOR MOST HOOSIERS.

SOME LISTENERS AND VIEWERS WERE CURIOUS ABOUT THE IMPACT.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S VIOLET COMBER-WILEN REPORTS ON EXAMPLES FROM OTHER PERMITLESS CARRY STATES AND PRELIMINARY DATA.

>> IT IS TOO EARLY TO MEASURE THE EXACT EFFECTS OF PERMITLESS CARRY IN INDIANA.

NATIONWIDE STUDIES, INCLUDING A 2022 STUDY FROM JOHNS HOPKINS SHOWS A MORE THAN 9% INCREASE IN ASSAULT WITH FIREARMS THAN EXPECTED OVER TEN YEARS AS 34 STATES RELAXED RESTRICTIONS ON CARRYING FIREARMS IN PUBLIC.

PIERRE ATLAS IS A SENIOR LECTURER AT THE PAUL H. O'NEILL SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS AT IUPUI.

HE SAYS IN INDIANA ANY LEGISLATION THAT PROVIDES LESS GUN REGULATION WILL LIKELY LEAD TO MORE VIOLENCE.

>> I THINK THAT WE WILL FIND STUDIES THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE ACCIDENTAL SHOOTINGS, NON-FATAL SHOOTINGS, CRIMES OF PASSION, AND FIGHTS THAT END IN GUN VIOLENCE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD.

>> POLICE DEPARTMENT DATA SHOWS AN INCREASE IN NONFATAL ACCIDENTAL SHOOTINGS IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS UNDER PERMITLESS CARRY.

>> DOES THE IMPACT OF PERMITLESS CARRY MATTER IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

DEMOCRAT LINDSEY HAAKE, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND ARIKA HERRON, REPORTER FOR AXIOS INDIANAPOLIS.

I'M LAUREN CHAPMAN IN THIS WEEK FOR BRANDON SMITH.

LINDSAY, DOES THE IMPACT OF THIS LAW MATTER INSIDE THE STATEHOUSE?

>> I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN'T MATTER.

THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ISSUES IN OUR DAY AND TIME, AND SOMETHING WE WILL BE JUDGED BY AND HOW OUR LEGISLATURE AND OUR GOVERNOR HANDLED THIS.

IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO.

THIS DATA THAT'S COMING OUT, THERE WAS A STORY OUT OF FORT WAYNE THAT SHOWED THAT WE HAD JUST THE AMOUNT OF GUN VIOLENCE.

I DON'T CARE AT THIS POINT IF IT IS FATAL OR NONFATAL FROM EVEN A PARENTAL CONCERN.

IT IS A SAFETY CONCERN, AND WHAT WORRIES ME MOST IS THAT OUR LEGISLATURE HEARD THIS CONCERN FROM OUR SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE AND IGNORED THE CONVERSATION.

IT HAPPENED PRACTICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AT A VERY LATE HEARING IN FEBRUARY 2022.

HE JUST -- ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT HE EXHIBITED WERE JUST PUSHED OFF, AND THE BILL MOVED FORWARD.

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, SAME QUESTION.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE AFFECT OF THIS BILL -- OR OF THIS LEGISLATION IS GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT IN THE STATEHOUSE, OR DOES THE STATEHOUSE CARE?

>> NOT WITH THIS STUDY.

THIS WAS -- IF YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVINCE THE LEGISLATURE YOU'RE GOING TO REVISIT THAT DECISION, THIS IS PRETTY WEAK FIRST ATTEMPT.

I MEAN, EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT WERE OVERSEEING THE STUDY SAID WE DON'T REALLY P, BUT HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING THE LAST TEN YEARS AT A TEAM WHEN VIOLENT GUN DEATHS HAVE BEEN ON THE RISE EVERYWHERE, PERMITLESS OR NOT.

I MEAN, IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO REVISIT THIS CONVERSATION AT THE STATEHOUSE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT MORE SIGNIFICANT.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT MEANS THERE'S GOT TO BE A LOT MORE GUN VIOLENCE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TIE A STRAIGHT LINE FROM POINT A TO POINT B AT A TEAM WHEN IT'S GOING UP EVERYWHERE.

ESPECIALLY IN URBAN CENTERS CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS.

IN THAT CONTEXT GOING TO A ESTATE HOUSE CONTROLLED OVERWHELMINGLY BY REPUBLICANS IS NOT GOING TO MATTER.

>> JON SCHWANTES, KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT GUN VIOLENCE HAS GONE UP PRETTY MUCH EVERY WHERE, IS THERE SOMETHING TO THE SUPPLY OF WEAPONS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK DOES IT MATTER TO THE AVERAGE HOOSIER?

>> WELL, WE SEEM TO HAVE AN AMPLE SUPPLY IN THIS COUNTRY.

WITH STATISTICS, WE HAVE X NUMBER OF GUNS FOR EVERY MAN, WOMAN, CHILD AND PET DOG AND CAT IN AMERICA.

I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY IS THE ISSUE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT A STUDY OF THIS TYPE, SCHOLARLY SORT OF ACADEMIC LOOK AT TRENDS, IS NECESSARILY GOING TO SHAKE LOOSE THESE DEEPLY HELD VIEWS THAT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAVE ARE.

SADLY, WHAT PROBABLY WOULD MOVE -- BRING MOVEMENT, AND YOU HATE TO SEE THESE KINDS OF THINGS, WOULD BE NOT THE STUDIES, BUT THE HEADLINE-GRABBING TRAGEDIES WHERE A POLICE OFFICER HAS MADE A STOP.

BECAUSE HE OR SHE WAS UNAWARE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, PERHAPS GUN OWNERSHIP OR POSSESSION OF THE INDIVIDUAL BEING STOPPED IS GUNNED DOWN ALONG THE INTERSTATE.

THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THAT'S WHAT WILL -- THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE STATE POLICE AND HIS CALL FOR -- TO NOT GO THIS DIRECTION.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE NARRATIVE BECOMES HERE'S THE I TOLD YOU SO.

HERE ARE THE TRAGIC EFFECTS.

THE OFFICER WHO LEAVES BEHIND A SPOUSE AND CUTE CHILDREN.

YOU KNOW THAT -- AGAIN, NOBODY IS WISHING THIS.

>> NO, NO.

>> NOBODY WANTS -- >> THAT'S NOT THE CATALYST.

>> KEEP IN MIND AS WE SEE THE CRIME TRENDS GO UP HERE AND ELSEWHERE, THE MINDSET AMONG MANY IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS THE OLD CLICHE.

THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH BAD GUYS AND BAD WOMEN WITH GUNS IS TO PUT MORE GUNS IN THE HANDS OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS.

ARGUABLY IN THAT SORT OF UPSIDE DOWN PERSPECTIVE, YOU COULD SAY THAT THIS MEEBZANS WE NEED TO GET MORE GUNS ON THE STREET NOT FEWER.

>> ARIKA, ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF INDIANAPOLIS WHERE WE'VE SEEN SO MUCH GUN VIOLENCE, DO YOU THINK THAT FOR THE AVERAGE HOOSIER WHO SEES THIS STUDY, DO YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE STATEHOUSE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES?

>> THEY MIGHT PUT PRESSURE ON % THE STATEHOUSE, BUT I'M NOT SURE.

I KIND OF AGREE WITH THE OTHERS HERE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE MUCH IMPACT AT THE STATEHOUSE.

WHERE WE'RE SEEING IT MAKE AN IMPACT IS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

IT'S CHANGED THE CONVERSATION IN INDIANAPOLIS.

WE HAVE A LOCAL CANDIDATE CALLING FOR THE PERMITLESS CARRY.

IF IT WERE, IF THAT HAPPENS, THAT MIGHT START TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE HOW DO YOU REALLY IMPLEMENT THAT IN JUST INDIANAPOLIS?

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS AN IMPACT AT THE STATEHOUSE, BUT IT MIGHT START TO IMPACT LOCAL LEVELS.

>> IT WOULDEN DOUBTEDLY PROMPT THE ASSEMBLY TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT -- >> INDIANAPOLIS CAN'T DO THAT.

>> THE LANDLORD RIGHTS AND GROCERY STORES AND YOU CAN GO RIGHT DOWN THE LIST.

ARGUING WE CAN'T HAVE THESE LAWS AND ORDINANCES ENFORCEMENT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A HOLISTIC MANNER.

I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD NOT BE, WOW, THAT'S INTERESTING.

LOCAL CONTROL CALLS ITS SHOTS.

IT'S ACTUALLY HOW CAN WE STOP THAT?

>> I ALSO THINK, THOUGH, IT'S REALLY -- WELL, IT'S CURIOUS HOW WELL THE DATA MIGHT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR A CONVERSATION OF THE LEGISLATURE WHERE WE DISMISS FACT, AND WE DISMISS LOGICAL ALL THE TIME.

>> WELL, TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC ONLINE POLL QUESTION.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION, WILL THE INDIANA GENERAL ASSEMBLY -- KNOW.

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION, DOES MIKE PENCE HAVE A REALISTIC SHOT AT THE 2024 REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT?

7% SAID YES, AND 93% SAID NO.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE POLL, GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

>> SOME OF INDIANA'S TOP INSTITUTIONS RECEIVED AN F RATING ON A NATIONAL REPORT ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE READING CURRICULUM IN TEACHER PREP PROGRAMS.

FOR INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING ELIZABETH GABRIEL REPORTS, THIS INCLUDES INDIANA UNIVERSITY BLOOMINGTON AND BUTLER AND BALL STATE UNIVERSITIES.

>> THE NATIONAL STUDY DETERMINES WHICH COLLEGES EXCEL AT PROVIDING A READING SCIENCE CURRICULUM.

IT'S A SCIENCE-BASED WAY OF TEACHING LITERACY, WHICH WILL SOON BE REQUIRED IN PUBLIC ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ACROSS INDIANA.

BUT THE ONLY INDIANA SCHOOL THAT RECEIVED AN A-PLUS WAS MARIAN UNIVERSITY IN INDIANAPOLIS.

EIGHT INDIANA COLLEGES RECEIVED AN F RATING.

SOME INSTITUTIONS COULD HAVE RECEIVED LOW SCORES BECAUSE THEY USED PRACTICES CONTRARY TO SCIENCE-BASED LITERACY RESEARCH, SUCH AS THREE-CUEING.

THAT'S WHEN KIDS USE PICTURES AND CONTEXT CLUES TO GUESS UNFAMILIAR WORDS, INSTEAD OF RELYING ON THEIR READING KNOWLEDGE TO SOUND OUT A WORD.

BEGINNING IN FALL 2024, EDUCATORS WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO USE THE THREE-CUEING TEACHING MODEL.

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, ARE WE ALREADY ON OUR WAY TO SOLVING THIS PROBLEM?

>> WELL ON OUR WAY.

THAT'S BECAUSE OF BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION THAT PASSED THIS SESSION.

THE HOUSE BILL 1558, JAKE UP NORTH AND ERIC FREEMAN IN INDIANAPOLIS WITH INDIANAPOLIS DEMOCRATS AND A PRETTY BROAD SPECTRUM OF LEGISLATORS WHO SUPPORTED INVESTING IN THIS AND CHANGING HOW READING IS TAUGHT.

MAKING SURE THAT TEACHERS WHO OR PERSPECTIVE TEACHERS, STUDENTS WHO ARE GRADUATING NEXT YEAR FROM COLLEGE WITH A TEACHING DEGREE ARE EDUCATED THIS WAY.

TEACHERS THAT HAVE ALREADY GRADUATED ALREADY IN THE CLASSROOM, THEY SET ASIDE A SEPARATE FUND TO FUND THE TRAINING OF THOSE TEACHERS.

THEY'RE TRYING TO GET PAID MORE BY LAW.

THE LEGISLATURE TOOK SOME BIG STEPS THIS SESSION TO TABLE THIS NEW METHODOLOGY, AND THEY DID IT ON A BIPARTISN BASIS, SO INDIANA IS ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM WELL AHEAD OF THIS STUDY.

>> THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE.

LINDSEY, KIND OF THINKING ABOUT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A BIPARTISAN WIN, INDIANA HAS HAD SOME REALLY CONCERNING STATISTICS ABOUT LIT ARE ASSY IN GENERAL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

IS THIS A WAY TO CELEBRATE SOME BIPARTISANSHIP AT THE STATEHOUSE.

>> I ALWAYS CELEBRATE BIPARTISANSHIP MOSTLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT.

SUPER MAJORITY OR SUPER MINORITY ASIDE.

IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO HAVE A COLLECTIVE GROUP THINK THAT BENEFITS HOOSIERS.

I'LL SAY THAT.

HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY STUDY THAT CAME OUT THIS WEEK REGARDING EDUCATION.

WE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE.

WE HAD AN ARTICLE ABOUT HOW INDIANA HAS FAILED ITS SCHOOL COUNSELORS.

WE HAD AN ARTICLE THAT ALSO REVEALED CNBC POLLING -- OR FORGIVE ME -- REPORTING THAT SHOWED THAT INDIANA HAD A D-RATING WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION ACROSS THE BOARD.

WE'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY BY TEACHERS AT THE STATEHOUSE WHO, AGAIN, DO NOT GET LISTENED TO.

THIS LEGISLATURE HAS FAILED TO LISTEN TO ITS EXPERTS.

WE HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE TUTORS ARE LEAVING IN DROVES.

WE HAVE AN EMPLOYMENT -- WE HAVE A HUGE EMPLOYMENT NEED.

LOTS OF ROLES ARE LEFT UNFILLED.

YOU ARE HAVING A SCENARIO WHERE THE RATIOS ARE AFFECTED IN CLASSROOMS.

NO, I DON'T THINK THIS IS -- IT'S NOT AT A PLACE WHERE I THINK IT MAKES ME HAPPY AT LEAST.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE AVERAGE HOOSIER HAPPY EITHER, AND IT DOESN'T SHOW ANY OF OUR POLLING OR DATA DOESN'T SHOW IT EITHER.

THERE'S WORK TO DO.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, ARIKA, KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THIS POLL WAS -- OR THIS STUDY WAS FASCINATING TO ME AS A GRADUATE OF BALL STATE BECAUSE IT WAS HISTORICALLY A TEACHERS COLLEGE.

WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT INDIANA'S PIPELINE FOR TEACHERS INTO THE CLASSROOM THAT OUR SCHOOLS DID SUPPORT IT?

>> IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF TEACHERS THAT ARE IN CLASSROOMS RIGHT NOW THAT NEED TO BE RETRAINED, WHICH THIS LEGISLATION ADDRESSES SOME OF THAT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET EVERYBODY CAUGHT UP TO THE NEW METHODS.

IT'S NOT JUST THE TEACHERS WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

IT'S ALSO THE STUDENTS WHO HAVE ALREADY COME THROUGH THE THIRD GRADE AND DIDN'T GET THIS INSTRUCTION.

HOW DO WE HELP PITCH THEM UP TOO FOR THE LESSONS THEY WERE NEVER PROPERLY TAUGHT IN READING, SO HOW DO WE HELP THOSE KIDS?

WE'RE SEEING THOSE EFFECTS LATER DOWN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM.

>> JON, WHAT IS THE BIG TAKE-AWAY THAT HOOSIERS ACROSS THIS STATE SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS STUDY AND SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN AT THE STATEHOUSE?

>> THAT WE SHOULD BE ALARMED BECAUSE OUR STATE IS NOTHING IF WE SACRIFICE ELEMENTARY EDUCATION.

THAT'S THE BUILDING BLOCK AND STRIKE UP THE MUSIC HERE AND THE VIOLINS BECAUSE THAT IS THE BUILDING BLOCK FOR EVERYTHING WE TALK ABOUT.

HOW IMPORTANT QUALITY OF LIFE IS IN OUR STATE.

WE TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES OUR STATE ATTRACTIVE TO INVESTORS AND BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WANT TO EXPAND OR START OPERATIONS HERE AND OFFER THOSE WONDERFUL HIGH-PAYING JOBS THAT OFTEN SHOW UP FROM NEWS RELEASES FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOLKS.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION.

WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS IT SEEMS THAT EVERY CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD RELATED TO BAD NEWS IN EDUCATION IN THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS HAD THE ASTERISKS THAT IT'S COVID-RELATED.

THIS IS INTERESTING IN THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE ABOUT METHODS.

THIS IS ABOUT HOW TEACHING IS DONE.

NOT ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS IN PERSON INSTRUCTION OR WHETHER IT WAS DONE VIA AN INTERNET PROVIDER WITH BAD CONNECTION.

IN A WAY IT'S REFRESHING TO SAY, HEY, LET'S GET BACK TO THE BASICS OF TEACHING: READING, WRITING, AND ARITHMETIC.

AND NOT FOCUS ON THIS CLOUD THAT'S BEEN HANGING OVER OUR EDUCATIONAL HEADS NOW FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS.

>> WELL, MOVING ON, CURTIS HILL'S GUBERNATORIAL CAMPAIGN THIS WEEK CELEBRATED HIS VICTORY IN THE RECENT INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW UNSCIENTIFIC POLL ABOUT WHO SHOULD BE THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR IN 2024.

>> HILL'S CAMPAIGN TOUTED THE RESULTS AS THE FIRST THIRD PARTY POLL SINCE HE JOINED THE RACE.

THE RELEASE FROM THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL, WHOSE LAW LICENSE WAS TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED WHILE HE WAS IN OFFICE BECAUSE HE CRIMINALLY BATTERED FOUR WOMEN, SAID THE RESULTS SHOWED THAT HOOSIERS WANT A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE.

IN THE SURVEY 44% OF RESPONDENTS SAID HILL SHOULD BE THE GOP NOMINEE.

THAT'S COMPARED TO 23% FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SUZANNE CROUCH, 9% FOR FORT WAYNE BUSINESSMAN ERIC DOD IN.

6% FOR U.S.

SENATOR MIKE BRAUN, AND 19% FOR THE OPTION, SOMEONE ELSE.

THE POLL IS NOT SCIENTIFIC IN ANY WAY.

ANYONE CAN VOTE REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY LIVE.

THERE ARE WAYS TO VOTE MULTIPLE TIMES, AND WHILE THE POLL NORMALLY GARNERS AROUND 200 TO 250 RESPONSES EACH WEEK, LAST WEEK'S HAD MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT.

>> JON SCHWANTES, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS PARTICULAR CAMPAIGN STRATEGY?

>> WELL, LET'S JUST SAY THE VIEWERS OF THIS SHOW, IT'S THE SMARTEST GROUP IN THE STATE OF I UNDERSTAND END.

THESE ARE POLICY WONKS AND THEY'RE SMART PEOPLE, SO I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HEED THEIR INTEREST AND PREFERENCES.

THE FACT THAT THERE WAS SUCH A SPIKE IN PARTICIPATION AND SUCH A LOPSIDED OUTCOME SUGGESTS THAT THERE WAS SOME SINCERE AND INTENTIONAL ATTEMPT HERE TO DRUM UP BUSINESS, WHETHER THAT HAS AN AFFECT OR NOT, I GUESS, YOU COULD PUT IT IN A FUNDRAISING LETTER AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN THE POLL NOW.

YOU CAN BURY IN THE FINE PRINT THAT IT'S NOT REALLY A POLL.

IT'S KIND OF JUST -- IT'S NOT EVEN A POLL.

THAT'S ONE -- >> IT'S AN ACTIVITY.

>> AN ACTIVITY.

I GUESS FROM A STANDPOINT OF GRASSROOTS ORGANIZING OR FINGER DEXTERITY, THOSE ARE BOTH GOOD THINGS.

I WOULD JUST -- THE OTHER OBSERVATION I WOULD HAVE IS WE HAVE THE QUESTION FOR NEXT WEEK ABOUT MIKE PENCE OR THAT WAS LAST WEEK'S.

LAST WEEK'S.

I DON'T THINK HE HAD THE SAME CONSULTANT WHO EMPHASIZED.

I THINK THAT CONSULTANT NEEDS TO GO, AND THIS ONE CAN GET SOME NEW MAKE HAY WITH DOING ALL TINGS IWIR.

>> I MEAN, ARIKA, DOES THIS SIGNAL A LITTLE BIT OF NERVOUSNESS FROM THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL'S CAMPAIGN?

IS IT MORE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A ONE-OFF THAT IS SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT GOOFY?

>> I'M NOT SURE IT SIGNALS MUCH OF ANYTHING, OTHER THAN LOOKING FOR GOOD NEWS WHERE YOU CAN FIND PIT AND MAYBE SOME EFFECTIVE CAMPAIGNING THERE GETTING PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND VOTE IN THE POLL FOR YOU.

HE IS THE NEWEST TO JOIN THE RACE, AND JUST LOOKING FOR AN EARLY WIN TO GET PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HIM, WHICH WE ARE.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FAIR.

LINDSAY.

>> I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN -- WELL, AT LEAST MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN ON A NUMBER OF CAMPAIGNS.

THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

>> I NEVER MANIPULATED THE OUTCOME OF A WEEK IN REVIEW POLL.

>> I THINK THAT'S AN UNPRECEDENTED TACTIC.

I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE.

THIS JUST TO ME WREAKS DESPERATION.

THIS IS NOT THE ONLY UNSCIENTIFIC POLL THAT CURTIS HILL HAS DONE THIS WITH.

HE WAS FEATURING ON HIS SOCIAL MEDIA EARLIER ANOTHER FAKE POLL FROM A VERY UNCREDITABLE -- I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO CALL IT A NEWS SOURCE, THAT HE ALSO IS FEATURING, WHERE THIS JUST WREAKS OF DESPERATION.

IT'S AN UNSERIOUS CANDIDATE WITH UNSERIOUS TACTICS AND AN UNSERIOUS STRATEGY.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE DISMISSED.

>> MIKE, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS INDICATIVE OF CURTIS HILL BEING AN UNSERIOUS CANDIDATE, OR IS THIS ONE OF THOSE GOOFY THINGS THAT HAPPENS?

>> NO, I'M WITH ARIKA.

YOU'RE LOOKING FOR GOOD NEWS WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT AND PROMOTE IT, RIGHT?

I'VE BEEN ON THE SHOW 300 TIMES.

I CAN'T REMEMBER A SINGLE TIME WHERE CURTIS HILL HAS TAKEN THE OUTCOME AS PROOF THAT HOOSIERS WANT A CONSERVATIVE -- TRUE CONSERVATIVE.

THE INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW POLL, BECAUSE OF OUR LEFT-LEANING AUDIENCE WHO WE LOVE, HAS NEVER PROVEN THE -- THE OUTCOME OF WHICH HAS NEVER PROVEN THIS AUDIENCE WANTS ANYTHING RESEMBLING A CONSERVATIVE.

7% MIKE PENCE.

>> YOU SAY OUR AUDIENCE IS LEFT-LEANING AND YOU SUGGEST THERE'S DESPERATION IN THE AIR.

LET'S GO BACK TO WE HAVE THE SMARTEST AUDIENCE.

>> I AM AN AUDIENCE MEMBER, AND I CAN TELL YOU IT'S NOT -- IT'S ACTUALLY A REMARKABLY BALANCED AUDIENCE.

THERE'S A LOT OF REPUBLICAN SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC MEDIA IN INDIANA.

ALSO A LOT OF DEMOCRATS.

THERE'S A -- THAT BEING SAID, THE POLL ENDS UP BEING A LITTLE -- IT'S STILL ENTIRELY UNSCIENTIFIC, AND I DO NEED TO SAY THAT IT HAS A DIGITAL -- AS A DATA PROFESSIONAL, IT IS AN UNSCIENTIFIC POLL.

THAT BEING SAID -- >> ABOUT BUT IF THERE WERE AN UNDERWRITER WHO WANTED TO UNDERWRITE THE POLL, IT WOULD BE A BAD USE OF FUNDS.

>> IN TERMS OF DESPERATION, I WANT TO BE CLEAR HERE, IT WAS THE TACTIC AND WANT THE -- >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.

>> NOW TAKE BACK LEFT-LEANING.

>> TAKE IT BACK.

>> TAKE IT BACK.

>> THAT POLL HAS NEVER BEEN BALANCED.

>> IT HAS NOT.

>> MAYBE WE HAVE A LEFT-LEANING POLL TAKING.

>> PLEASE QUESTION THE PROCESS.

THAT TRACKS.

>> THE ACLU OF INDIANA IS SUING AN INDIANA SHERIFFING OVER CLAIMS HE SILENCED CRITICS ON A GOVERNMENT-RUN FACEBOOK PAGE.

>> THE LAWSUIT IN FEDERAL COURT ACCUSES HENRY COUNTY SHERIFF JOHN SPROLES OF BLOCKING ACCOUNTS AND DELETING CRITICAL COMMENTS.

THE SUIT CLAIMS THESE ACTIONS REPRESENT VIEWPOINT-BASED DISCRIMINATION AND VIOLATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

THE ACLU FILED THE SUIT ON BEHALF OF A PODCASTER NAMED KRISTOPHER BILLBREY WHOSE COMMENTS WERE DELETED FROM THE SHERIFF'S PAGE.

IN THE EMAIL LAST WEEK, SPROLES SAID HE WAS UNAWARE OF THE LAWSUIT.

>> DOES THE LAW NEED TO MORE FULLY GRAPPLE WITH SOCIAL MEDIA, ARIKA?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE LAW AS MUCH AS THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN OUR MUNICIPAL OFFICES NEED TO.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE FOLKS ARE PROPERLY TRAINED ON WHAT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES NEED TO BE HERE.

THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THERE.

COURTS HAVE RULED DIFFERENT WAYS ON THIS.

THEY TEND TO RULE THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DELETE COMMENTS OR BLOCK PEOPLE.

THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER DECISIONS.

THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT HASN'T RULED ON THIS.

I THINK IT'S JUST MORE TRAINING IN LOCAL OFFICE THAT IS WOULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

>> JON, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT STATE GOVERNMENTS SPECIFICALLY NEED TO ADDRESS SOCIAL MEDIA?

I KNOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A DIGITAL EDITOR THAT FOR JOURNALISTS WE HAVE A HABIT OF - NOT DELETING TWEETS, BEING RESPONSIBLE TO THAT.

PI DON'T KNOW HOW GOVERNMENT OFFICES HAVE REALLY FALLEN DOWN BETWEEN THIS IS AN OFFICIAL APPROXIMATE COMMUNICATION METHOD AND THIS IS JUST A WAY OF COMMUNICATING INFORMATION.

>> THEY PROBABLY HAVE HAD THEIR HANDS FULL AND YOU HAVE THE BATTLE AGAINST TIKTOK FOR OTHER SECURITY REASONS AND CONTENT.

LET'S JUST SAY PROBABLY BEST THT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY FOCUS MAYBE ON EDUCATION AND WITH PUBLIC ACCESS COUNSELORS AND THAT SORT OF INFORMATION BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY SO MUDDLED.

WE A PUBLIC THAT'S TRYING TO GET CONGRESS TO WEIGH IN ON THE PROVIDERS, LIKE THE FACEBOOKS AND OTHERS OR IN THE OLD DAYS EVEN TWITTER.

YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO THIS.

CONFUSING WHAT IS A PRIVATELY RUN ENTITY AS IF IT WERE A BILLBOARD COMPANY OR A NEWSPAPER THAT'S PRIVATELY HELD VERSUS SOMETHING IN THIS CASE WHICH IS THE ISSUE ISN'T WHO OWNS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PLATFORM.

IT'S WHAT THAT SITE IS, AND IT IS OSTENSIBLY BY ALL ACCOUNTS A PUBLIC SITE.

THAT DOES MAKE IT DIFFERENT.

IT'S JUST SO MUDDLED NOW AS WE HAVE SEEN FROM THE LAST ELECTION WHERE THESE COMPANIES WERE UNFAVORABLE TO DONALD TRUMP, SO THEY NEED TO POLICE.

THEY CAN'T TAKE DOWN CERTAIN THINGS.

THEB YOU GET TO THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUES, AND PEOPLE ALL OF A SUDDEN ON THE RIGHT START SWERVING INTO THE LEFT LANE, AND PEOPLE ON THE LEFT -- IT ALL - GETS VERY CONFUSING.

>> IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A COMPLICATED ISSUE TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO TACKLE.

MIKE, WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS?

>> IT'S NOT THE LEGISLATURE'S JOB.

IF CONGRESS WANTS TO DO THIS, IT'S SO MUDDLED AND CONFUSING.

I'M WITH JON, I OWN THE PAGE.

WHAT IF IF SOMEONE PUTS SOMETHING ANTI-SEMITIC AND THEN I DELETE IT.

THEN THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT I SUPPORT THAT, AND THEN I DELETED THAT WHEN THEY DIDN'T SUPPORT ME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT FACEBOOK THAT WHEN YOU LOG INTO IT, ALL COMMON SENSE IS SUSPENDED FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

>> THERE'S ACTUALLY A STUDY ABOUT THAT.

>> LET'S GET BACK TO JUST LOG OUT AND WALK AWAY.

FOREVER.

>> THERE'S BEEN LEGISLATION BEING DRAFTED ABOUT MYSPACE, AND IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS.

I THINK THEY'RE THIS CLOSE TO GETTING THAT OUT THERE.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW OTHER STATES DEVELOP AND UNFOLD.

WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE MYSPACE FIRST.

>> THE DATA THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT CAME FROM THE UT AUSTIN THIS MORNING THAT REVEALED DURING A STUDY HAVING TO DO WITH FACEBOOK SPECIFICALLY, IT LITERALLY MADE PEOPLE MORE PARTISAN.

TO GO TO A GOOD GOVERNMENT ON THIS AS YOU WERE SAYING, HOW DO WE ATTEMPT TO EVEN HAVE THE CONVERSATION AT THE LEGISLATURE, THE LEBLG TOUR HAS NEVER BEEN REALLY FRIENDLY TO ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC GOVERNANCE WHEN IT COMES TO RECORDS OR WHEN IT COMES TO, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LEGISLATURE EXCEPTED THEMSELVES FROM APRA.

YOU HAVE HOOSIERS WHO LITERALLY CANNOT HAVE AN OPEN DOOR INTO THEIR STATEHOUSE.

THERE'S REASONS IT'S NOT GOTTEN GOOD GRADES WHEN IT COMES TO OPEN GOVERNMENT.

I WORRY THAT IF WE START HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AT THE LEGISLATURE, THAT IT COULD FLEX INTO BEING A VERY CLOSE SET OF DOORS.

>> IT'S HARD TO TAKE IT SERIESLY.

IT'S HARD TO TAKE IT NOT SERIOUSLY AS WELL.

SPEAKING OF SOMETHING ENTIRELY UNSERIOUS, FINALLY THIS WEEK MARK THE START OF THE 2023 INDIANA STATE FAIR.

OF COURSE, IT'S ALSO TIME TO MARVEL AT SOME OF THE FOODS.

THIS YEAR NEW OPTIONS INCLUDE BRACHOS, THAT IS BRATWURST NACHOS, DEEP FRIED CORN ON A STICK, STREET CORN PIZZA, AND S' MORES FUNNEL CAKE.

>> I LIKE A BROASTED EAR OF CORN GUYS.

>> IT HAS TO BE 100 DEGREES OUTSIDE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT DUNKED IN BUTTER.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ENJOY ROASTED CORN.

>> YOU PAIR THAT WITH A GOOD INDIANA BEER, I'M WITH YOU.

BASIC AND GOOD AND MAYBE SOME COTTON CANDY TO FINISH IT OFF.

>> YOU'RE INTO COTTON CANDY.

>> OH, YEAH.

>> DO YOU HAVE CHILDREN?

COME ON.

YOU GOT TO HAVE -- YOU'RE GOING TO ADD $40 FOR THE COTTON CANDY.

>> I WAS GOING TO GO TO THE DAIRY BARN AND GET MY CHOCOLATE MILK SHAKE.

WHETHER IT'S BEFORE MY -- >> I'M MORE EXCITED, ARIKA, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO?

>> I WRITE A MEAT-FREE FOOD COLUMN EACH WEEK, SO I'M GOING TODAY TO TRY ALL THE DIFFERENT MEATLESS OPTIONS.

I'M GOING TO TRY -- THERE'S A NEW -- THE DEEP FRIED CORN ON A STICK.

I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO TRY THAT FOR THE READERS AND SEE WHAT ELSE THERE IS.

>> OR COTTON CANDY AND BEER.

HER FAVORITE.

>> THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT LINDSAY HAAKE, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND ARIKA HERRON.

YOU CAN FIND MORE EPISODES AT WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR ON THE PBS APP.

I'M LAUREN CHAPMAN OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

>> THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS.

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS A WFYI PRODUCTION IN ASSOCIATION WITH INDIANA'S PUBLIC