[♪♪] >> SHE SERVED IN FRANKFORT BUT CAN SEE TURN A RED CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT BLUE?

>> AND THE CONSTITUTION IN ARTICLE 2 TALKS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT CANNOT TAKE GIFTS FROM FOREIGN LEADERS.

>> Renee: KENTUCKY SENATOR RAND PAUL'S TAKE ON A HIGH FLYING GIFT FOR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

>>> AND RED SPANS COULD PETE ROSE END UP IN THE HALL OF FAME AFTER ALL?

>> PRODUCTION OF "KENTUCKY EDITION" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE KET MILLENNIUM FUND.

[♪♪] >> Renee: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY EDITION" ON THIS TUESDAY, MAY THE 13TH.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

WE APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING SOME OF YOUR TUESDAY NIGHT WITH US.

>>> VOTERS IN KENTUCKY'S SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT WILL PICK A NEW REPRESENTATIVE NEXT YEAR AS ANDY BARR RUNS FOR THE U.S. SENATE.

CHERLYNN STEVENSON A FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE FOR KENTUCKY'S 88TH DISTRICT ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT SHE IS RUNNING FOR THAT HOUSE SEAT.

CHIEF AMONG THE PRIORITIES SHE LISTED TODAY, FIXING THE U.S. ECONOMY AND PROTECTING ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.

>> MY NAME IS CHERLYNN STEVENSON AND I AM PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THAT I AM RUNNING TO BECOME CENTRAL KENTUCKY'S NEXT U.S. REPRESENTATIVE.

[APPLAUSE] >> FORMER DEMOCRATIC LEADER CHERLYNN STEVENSON IS THROWING HER HAT IN THE RING FOR KENTUCKY'S SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT SEAT.

SHE SAYS THE ISSUES THAT INSPIRED HER TO RUN FOR CONGRESS ARE THE ISSUES THAT AFFECT MANY KENTUCKIANS LIKE THE PRICE OF GROCERIES AND THE PROPOSED CUTS TO MEDICAID.

>> I LOVE MY COUNTRY.

AND I WANT TO TAKE US OFF OF THE ROLLERCOASTER RIDE THAT HAS DRIVEN A CARTON OF EGGS UP AND NEST EGGS DOWN.

TARIFFS ARE DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY.

CUTS TO MEDICAID THREATEN OUR HEALTHCARE.

DISMANTLING THE PUBLIC EDUCATION IS DESTROYING OUR KIDS' FUTURE.

IT'S ABOUT TIME WE ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE IN THIS OFFICE WHO WORKS FOR KENTUCKY FAMILIES, FOR US.

NOT FOR ELON MUSK HIS BILLIONAIRE BUDDIES AND THE CORPORATE ELITE.

MY FIRST TASK IN CONGRESS WILL BE TO WORK WITH WHOMEVER I CAN TO STOP DIGGING THE HOLE WE FIND OURSELVES IN.

IF YOU THINK I'M EXAGGERATING CONSIDER A WALL STREET JOURNAL STORY THAT SAID LAST MONTH WAS ON TRACK TO BE THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIALS WORST APRIL SINCE 1932.

WE NEED ECONOMIC POLICIES THAT PUT WORKING PEOPLE FIRST AND TAKE ON BILLIONAIRES BLEEDING THE SYSTEM NOT TARIFFS THAT RISK SENDING US INTO A GREAT DEPRESSION.

>> STEVENSON SAYS ANOTHER PRIORITY OF HERS WILL BE TO PROTECT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.

SHE SAYS TOO MANY DOCTORS ARE LEAVING THE STATE TO AVOID PERSECUTION UNDER KENTUCKY'S ABORTION BAN.

>> ANOTHER TOP PRIORITY OF MINE IN CONGRESS WILL BE TO FIGHT FOR FEDERAL PROTECTIONS FOR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.

THEY HAVE BEEN UNDER RELENTLESS ATTACK IN STATES OUR OURS WHERE HALF OF OUR 120 COUNTIES DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE WBGYN.

>> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF KENTUCKY RELEASED THIS STATEMENT SAYING QUOTE THE SIXTH DISTRICT IS TRUMP COUNTRY ROCK SOLID REPUBLICAN GROUND WHERE LIBERAL PIPE DREAMS GO TO DIE.

STEVENSON RESPONDED TO THE STATEMENT TODAY.

>> I WOULD CALL IT BESHEAR COUNTRY.

WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ON THAT ALL DAY.

YOU KNOW, BESHEAR HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS IN THIS DISTRICT BY TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR ISSUES AND NOT FOCUSING ON DIVISION.

AND THAT'S BEEN A FORMULA FOR SUCCESS FOR ME IN THE 88TH AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TOO.

>> WHEN STEVENSON RAN IN 2018 SHE WAS ABLE TO FLIP THE SEAT FROM RED TO BLUE IT IS NOW ONCE AGAIN REPRESENTED BY A REPUBLICAN VANESSA GRASSLE.

STEVENSON IF SHE CAN FLIP THE 88TH SEAT SHE CAN FLIP THE SIXTH DISTRICT AS WELL.

>> ALL I WANT IS FOR THE PLACE I LOVE TO HAVE WHAT IT NEEDS TO THRIVE.

IF THE DAY COMES THAT CONGRESS FINALLY DOES FIND ITSELF BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK LET IT BE SAID THAT KENTUCKY'S SIXTH DISTRICT LED THE WAY.

>> AS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE, CHERLYNN STEVENSON WAS DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS CHAIR AND LOST THE 2024 RACE AGAINST GRASSLE BY ONLY 125 VOTES.

FOR "KENTUCKY EDITION" I'M MACKENZIE SPINK.

>> Renee: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO FAR, THE ONLY OTHER PERSON TO ANNOUNCE THEY ARE RUNNING FOR THE SIXTH DISTRICT SEAT IS REPRESENT STATE REPRESENTATIVE RYAN DOTSON OF WINCHESTER.

HE MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT LAST MONTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

DOT TON IS PLANNING -- DOTSON IS PLANNING A CAMPAIGN KICKOFF EVENT NEXT MONTH.

>> SUNDAY NIGHT REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS UNVEILED A BUDGET PLAN THAT CALLS FOR $880 BILLION IN CUTS FROM THE MEDICAID PROGRAM OVER 10 YEARS IN PART TO PAY FOR A PROPOSED EXTENSION OF THE TAX CUT DURING TRUMP'S FIRST TERM.

REPUBLICANS INCLUDING BRETT GUTHRIE OF KENTUCKY'S SECOND DISTRACH SAY IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE THE MEDICAID PROGRAM IS UNSUSTAINABLE.

HE IS CHAIR OF THE HOUSE ENERGY AND COMMERCE COMMITTEE THAT HANDLES HEALTHCARE SPENDING THAT COMMITTEE MET THIS AFTERNOON AND CONGRESSMAN GUTHRIE DISCUSSED SOME OF WHAT HIS PARTY HOPES TO ACCOMPLISH.

>> WE ARE PREPARED TO STOP THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE IN THE MEDICAID PROGRAM BY REINING IN THE LOOPHOLES BY ENSURING STATES HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO REMOVE INELIGIBLE RECIPIENTS AND WHO ENROLLED IN MULTIPLE STATES.

THESE ARE COMMON SENSE POLICIES THAT WILL RETURN TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO THE MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES.

MEDICAID WAS CREATED TO PROTECT HEALTHCARE FOR AMERICANS WHO OTHERWISE COULD NOT SUPPORT THEMSELVES.

DEMOCRATS EXPANDED THE PROGRAM FAR BEYOND THIS CORE MISSION.

THAT'S WHY WE ARE ESTABLISHING COMMON SENSE WORK REQUIREMENTS FOR CAPABLE BUT NOT WORKING ADULTS IN THE EXPANSION POPULATION.

>> Renee: MOMENTS AFTER GUTHRIE CONCLUDED, THE COMMITTEE WAS INTERRUPTED BY PROTESTORS.

DEMOCRATS SAY THE PLAN OUTLINED BY REPUBLICANS WOULD CAUSE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO LOSE MEDICAID COVERAGE.

LAST NIGHT I ASKED OUR "KENTUCKY TONIGHT" PANEL ABOUT THE MEDICAID PROPOSAL AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT AMERICANS IF PASSED >> WHY IS THIS THE WAY TO GO ABOUT MAKING ROOM FOR TAX CUTS?

>> SO, I THINK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH THE MEDICAID PROGRAM THAT HE BELIEVE IT IS SHOULD SERVE THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST.

AND WE SEE A LOT OF PROGRAMS AS WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT THAT HAVE A LOT OF WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE.

WE HAVE PEOPLE PERFECTLY ABLE AND CAPABLE OF WORKING TAKING ADVANTAGE AND BEING ON MEDICAID.

WE HAVE PEOPLE YOU LOOK AT NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA WE HAVE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE BEEN BENEFITING FROM MEDICAID IN THEIR STATES.

I THINK WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AND YOU KNOW THIS BETTER THAN EVERYBODY, THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THE CUTS.

UNTIL WE SEE THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS AND WE'LL SEE WHAT COMES OUT TOMORROW BUT I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM FOR MILLION DOLLAR MODIFICATIONS AND CUTS ACROSS THE BOARD WITH GOVERNMENT AND PARTICULARLY MEDICAID.

>> DONALD TRUMP SAID HE DOESN'T WANT TO CUT MEDICAID HE SAID IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND YET THE ONLY WAY CONGRESS WILL BE ABLE TO REACH THE GOALS THAT THE BUDGET HAVE BEEN SET IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE TAX CUTS, IS TO CUT MEDICAID AND NOT JUST CUT THE WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE, WHICH IS ON THE VERY TOP BUT CUT DOWN TO THE MUSCLE AND THE BONE.

AND SO UNFORTUNATELY CONGRESSMAN GUTHRIE HAS AN AWKWARD TASK AHEAD TO APPEASE WHAT TRUMP IS PROMISING BUT TO LIVE WITH THE NUMBERS THAT HE'S BEEN LEFT W I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.

>> Renee: HE DID OPINE IN THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" HE SAID THE PLAN PRESERVES MEDICAID FOR CHILDREN, MOTHERS PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND THE ELDERLY FOR WHOM THE PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED.

SO HE IS SAYING THERE IS FEAR MONGERING GOING ON WITH THE DEMOCRATS AND THE RHETORIC THAT IT'S NOT THE GOAL TO TAKE PEOPLE OFF MEDICAID WHO DESERVE TO BE THERE.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET THESE MONETARY GOALS SET BY THE BUDGET AND NOT CUT PEOPLE WHO ARE DESERVING OF MEDICAID FROM THEIR ROLLS.

THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK.

AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HURT AS A RESULT OF THIS.

>> Renee: IT WAS A WIDE RANGING CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT ABOUT TARIFFS, THE ECONOMY, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, EDUCATION AND MORE.

YOU CAN SEE IT ALL ON-LINE ON DEMAND AT KET.ORG/KYTONIGHT.

>>> U.S.

SENATOR RAND PAUL OF KENTUCKY SAYS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP SHOULD NOT ACCEPT QATAR'S GIFT OF A $400 MILLIONAIRE PLANE.

QATAR A COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST BORDERING SAUDI ARABIA WANTS TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT A JUMBO JET TO BE USED AS NEW AIR FORCE ONE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS IT WOULD BE STUPID NOT TO ACCEPT IT.

DECLINING IT WOULD BE LIKE A GOLFER NOT ACCEPTING WHEN A COMPETITOR CONCEDES A PUTT.

>> IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A GIVE ME PUTT AND THE CONSTITUTION IN ARTICLE 2 TALKS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT CANNOT TAKE GIFTS FROM FOREIGN LEADERS.

SO THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

SO THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU DO IT IF IT'S ONLY FOR OFFICIAL PURPOSES?

IF IT CAME TO SOMEONE IN CONGRESS THEY CAN VOTE AND THE ETHICS COMMITTEE CAN LOOK AT IT.

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE AND IT'S NOT LIKE A RIDE ON THE PLANE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE $400 MILLION PLANE.

I THINK IT'S NOT WORTH THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY.

I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH IT.

THE PROBLEM WITH QATAR IS I'VE SPENT TIME TRYING NOT TO SELL WEAPONS TO QATAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS FOR THEIR PEOPLE.

SOME OF THE MINORITY RELIGIOUS FOLKS IN QATAR ARE TREATED POORLY.

I REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN A BIG FAN AND I WONDER IF OUR ABILITY TO JUDGE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD WOULD BE CLOUDED BY THE FACT OF THIS LARGE GIFT.

I WOULDN'T TAKE IT.

THAT'S JUST ME.

>> IF QATAR DOES GIVE IT TO HIM AND HE SAYS RAND YOU WANT TO HOP ON THE JET TO PALM BEACH YOU WILL SAY NO.

>> I'VE WANTED TO RIDE ON THE EMIRATES JET WITH A SHOWER AND A BATH TUB AND A BAR AND A DANCE FLOOR BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FORK OVER THE 20 GRAND EACH WAY.

I WON'T BE RIDING ON IT.

I THINK IT IS A MISTAKE.

>> Renee: SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER CALLS THE GIFT QUOTE NAKED CORRUPTION AND SAYS IT IS A GRAVE NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT TO USE AN AIR FORCE ONE BUILT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY.

HE WILL BLOCK NEW NOMINEE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE UNTIL THIS IS PROPERLY INVESTIGATED.

>>> U.S.

SENATOR MITCH McCONNELL OF KENTUCKY IS URGING THE U.S. TO SPEND MORE ON DEFENSE AND TO DO MORE TO STRENGTHEN RELATIONSHIPS WITH ITS ALLIES.

SENATOR McCONNELL SPOKE TO THE CENTER FOR STRATEGIC INTERNATIONAL STUDIES IN WASHINGTON D.C.

HE SAID THAT DEFENSE SPENDING AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT IS A FRACTION OF WHAT IT USED TO BE.

AND HE REJECTED TALK THAT AMERICA IS BETTER OFF QUOTE GOING IT ALONE RATHER THAN WORKING WITH ALLAYS.

>> THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT OUR ADVERSARIES ARE WORKING HARD TO SPLIT AMERICA AND EUROPEAN ALLIES.

WE'RE MAKING THEIR JOB EASIER WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

AS YOU WILL RECALL, WE DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH CONFLICT ALSO THREATEN OUR INTEREST AND FOR HOW LONG THEY WILL LAST.

AND WE WILL RELY ON OUR FRIENDS TO HELP US DETER AND CONTAIN AGGRESSION IN THE COMING YEARS FROM THE INDO-PACIFIC TO EASTERN EUROPE.

GOING IT ALONE WILL ONLY INCREASE COSTS FOR TAXPAYERS AND RISKS TO OUR WAR FIGHTERS.

WE SHOULD BE WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH ALLIES WORLDWIDE TO PROTECT OUR ECONOMIES AND SUPPLY CHAINS FROM THE PRC.

IF WE PUSH THESE FRIENDS AWAY, WE SHOULD EXPECT THEM TO KEEP BUYING -- SHOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO KEEP BUYING AMERICAN.

>> Renee: SENATOR McCONNELL URGED A CONTINUED U.S. SUPPORT OF UKRAINE.

HE SAID IF RUSSIA DEFEATS UKRAINE IT WOULD BE A LOSS FOR THE U.S. AND OTHER NATIONS WOULD PERCEIVE IT AS A SIGN OF AMERICA'S LACK OF RESOLVE.

>>> IN KENTUCKY POLITICS, GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR IS ONE OF THE HEADLINERS AT THE FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S ANNUAL SUMMER MEETING NEXT MONTH.

THE KENTUCKY LANTERN SAYS BESHEAR WILL BE JOINED BY CORY BOOKER OF NEW JERSEY BOTH MEN ARE CONSIDERED POTENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES.

BOOKER FAILED TO CAMPAIGN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT IN 2020.

BESHEAR SAID RUNNING FOR THE WHITE HOUSE IS SOMETHING HE'D CONSIDER.

[♪♪] GOING TO COLLEGE JUST GOT A LITTLE EASIER FOR DOZEN OF LEXINGTON STUDENTS.

TODAY $10,000 SCHOLARSHIPS WERE GIVEN TO 18 HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS WHO WANT TO STUDY WAYS OF ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSES OF GUN VIOLENCE.

ANOTHER 12 STUDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY VIOLENCE WERE AWARDED SCHOLARSHIPS FOR CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION.

THE SCHOLARSHIPS WERE AWARDED AS PART OF THE BUILDING BRIDGES TO OPPORTUNITY PROGRAM, LAUNCHED BY ONE LEXINGTON.

>> IN 2020 WE SAW OUR YOUNG PEOPLE UTILIZING SOCIAL MEDIA PACKING THE STREETS OUT PROTESTING ABOUT THE CHANGE THEY WANTED TO SEE.

AND WE ARE ALL FOR THAT.

BUT ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO GO OUT AND BE THE CHANGE THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THESE SYSTEMS IN YOUR COMMUNITY?

AND THAT IS WHAT 18 OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE WILL BE DOING MOVING FORWARD.

>> Renee: THE SCHOLARSHIPS WERE FUNDED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FROM KENTUCKY'S EVERYBODY COUNTS INITIATIVE LAUNCHED THREE YEARS AGO.

THE PROGRAM WORKS TO GIVE HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS A PATHWAY TO A JOB OR COLLEGE EDUCATION.

>>> A FORUM IN BULLITT COUNTY WILL FOCUS ON YOUNG PEOPLE VAPING.

AND TIME TO THINK AHEAD TO THE KENTUCKY STATE FAIR.

CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

OUR TOBY GIBBS HAS MORE ON ALL OF THIS IN OUR TUESDAY LOOK AT HEAD LANES AROUND KENTUCKY.

[♪♪] HEADLINES AROUND KENTUCKY.

♪.

>> UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE MEDICAL RESEARCHERS PLAN TO STUDY, AIR, WILDLIFE AND WASTEWATER IN MARSHALL, MCCRACKEN, LIVINGSTON AND KENTUCKY COUNTIES AFTER A STUDY LOOKED AT A CALVERT CITY CHEMICAL PLANTS CONNECTION TO AIR POLLUTION AND CANCER RISK.

CALVERT CITY MAYOR SAYS HE WAS UNAWARE THE RESEARCHERS WANTED TO LOOK AT WASTEWATER SO FOR NOW THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GRANT TED ACCESS.

THE CITY IS WAITING FOR MORE INFORMATION BEFORE GIVING RESEARCHERS PERMISSION.

>>> A FORUM TOMORROW IN SHEPHERDSVILLE WILL ALLOW PEOPLE IN BULLITT COUNTY TO SPEAK OUT ABOUT ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE.

THE PIONEER NEWS SAYS THE MEETING CALLED CLEANING THE AIR, WILL INCLUDE A PANEL OF EXPERTS WITH A FOCUS ON VAPING AND ITS HEALTH IMPACT.

THIS COMES AS STATE NUMBERS SHOW 17% OF KENTUCKY 10TH GRADERS VAPED AS OF 2021.

THE FORUM IS 6:00 P.M. AT THE BULLITT COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY'S CENTRAL BRANCH.

>>> THE KENTUCKY STATE FAIR RUNS FROM AUGUST 14-24 AND THE GREYSON COUNTY NEWS REPORTS THE FAIR IS ACCEPTING ENTRIES FOR LIVESTOCK, CRAFTS, CROPS AND FOOD.

THE DEADLINE TO ENTER IS JULY 10TH WITH A LATE DEADLINE OF JULY 17TH.

THE BEARS PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN IS UNDERWAY THE THEME IS WHAT MAKES KENTUCKY SPECIAL.

>>> WITH HEADLINES AROUND KENTUCKY I'M TOBY GIBBS.

>> Renee: THANK YOU TOBY GIBBS.

BIG NEWS TONIGHT FOR FANS OF PETE ROSE AND THE CINCINNATI REDS.

MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL SAYS IT'S REINSTATING ROSE AFTER HE WAS BANNED FROM THE SPORT IN 1989 FOR BETTING ON THE GAME.

HE DENIED IT AT THE TIME BUT LATER ADMITTED TO IT.

WITH THE REINSTATEMENT ROSE BACKS ELIGIBLE FOR THE HALL OF FAME.

ROSE DIED LAST YEAR.

[♪♪] IT IS A LESSON IN HISTORY THAT FEW KNOW BUT ONE LONG TIME ATTORNEY AND POLITICAL OPERATIVE SET OUT ON A MISSION TO FIND HOW THOMAS JEFFERSON HAD A MAJOR INFLUENCE ON KENTUCKY'S CONSTITUTION OF 1792.

SACREDLY WRITING CONTROVERSIAL STATE RESOLUTIONS.

DENIS FLEMING WORKED IN KENTUCKY STATE GOVERNMENT AS GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THREE GOVERNORS SERVED AS CHIEF DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND CONGRESSIONAL CHIEF OF STAFF.

HIS FIRST BOOK TOMORROW HAS JEFFERSON AND THE KENTUCKY CONSTITUTION HAS NOW EARNED HIM CREDIT AS A CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR.

SEVERAL CHAPTERS IN THE BOOK DETAIL KENTUCKY'S OPPOSITION TO THE ALIEN ENEMIES ACTS OF THE LATE 18TH CENTURY AND THIS FEATURE ON BOOKS AND AUTHORS TURNING THE PAGE DENIS FLEMING CONNECTS OUR PAST AND PRESENT.

>> DENIS FLEMING GOOD TO SEE YOU SIR.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> Renee: IT'S BEEN A LONGTIME.

THAT NAME SOUNDS FAMILIAR AND DOES HE HAVE A BROTHER WHO IS IN THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY RIGHT NOW?

>> I SURE DO.

I HAVE A DAUGHTER THAT WORKED FOR LEADER McCONNELL AND WE HAVE A FAMILY FULL OF FOLKS INVOLVED IN POLITICS.

>> Renee: AND YOU?

>> FOR 23 YEARS I WAS IN PUBLIC SERVICE SANDWICHED THROUGH PRIVATE PRACTICE IN LOUISVILLE AND MY LAST EIGHT YEARS HAVE BEEN IN THE HEALTHCARE SECTOR.

14 YEARS I WAS IN FRANKFORT.

FIRST IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CABINET AND I WORKED WITH JEFF NOEL THE SECRETARY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UNDER GOVERNOR WILKINSON AND GENERAL COUNSEL DEPUTY SECRETARY OF HIS CABINET AND FOR A YEAR-AND-A-HALF WITH GREG STADIUM BOAS THE CHIEF DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THEN BEN CHANDLER RAN FOR GOVERNOR, LOST.

AND HAD COFFEE WITH ME ONE DAY AND SAID I'M THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR CONGRESS.

I SAID GOSH I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WIN THAT AND HE SAYS I BET WE CAN.

AND HE WON IT AND I WENT AND WAS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF FOR EIGHT-AND-A-HALF YEARS IN WASHINGTON.

>> Renee: YOUR FAMILY IS POLITICAL.

YOUR BROTHER IS A REPUBLICAN IN THE KENTUCKY GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

>> HE HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN HIS THIRD TERM.

BEFORE THAT FOR 12 YEARS MAYBE MORE, HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE LOUISVILLE METRO COUNCIL.

>> Renee: YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PLUGGED IN.

AND TO ADD TO ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE, THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE FORWARD TO THE BOOK CALLS YOU A CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR.

>> CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

>> DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE?

>> WELL, WHEN I WROTE THIS BOOK I NEVER DREAMED THE ALIEN SEDITION ACT WOULD HAVE ANY MODERN-DAY ROLE.

IT'S LIKE IT WAS IN THE PAPER I WAS DRIVING HERE AND IT WAS ON NPR JUST NOW ON A HOUR LONG SPECIAL ON THE ALIEN ENEMIES ACT IT WAS A COMPONENT OF THE ALIEN SEDITION ACTS PASSED BY CONGRESS THROUGH THE REQUEST OF PRESIDENT ADAMS ADAMS IN 1798.

THE REASON THEY WERE PASSED WE WERE IN A DEVELOPING WAR WITH FRANCE AND FRANCE HAD BEGUN TO TAX OUR MERCHANT SHIPPING IN THE CARRIBBEAN IMPORTANT TO KENTUCKY.

SO MANY GOODS CAME UP THROUGH THE PORT OF NEW ORLEANS.

UP THROUGH MISSISSIPPI.

AND WE TOOK THE POSITION THAT BECAUSE WE OWED FRANCE SO MUCH MONEY AFTER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, $5 MILLION A QUARTER OF OUR NATIONAL BUDGET THAT WE WANTED TO RENEGOTIATE THAT PAYMENT AND LOUIE THE 16TH HAD BEEN DEPOSED AND A NEW GOVERNMENT WAS IN PLACEMENT WE SENT A GROUP TO NEGOTIATE A NEW PAYMENT SYSTEM.

THEY UNFORTUNATELY, ASKING FOR A BRIBE OF A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND OUR FOLKS LEFT AND CAME BACK AND TOLD CONGRESS PRESIDENT ADAMS THAT OUR SHIPS WERE CONTINUING TO BE ATTACKED.

ADAMS SOME PEOPLE THINK OVERREACTED BUT HE PASSED THE NATIONAL PROPERTY TAX, HE RAISED AN ARMY OF 20,000 FOLKS.

HE DEVELOPED THE CAPITAL SHIP BUILDING PROGRAM IN THAT CLIMATE, HE HAD CONGRESS PASS THE ALIEN SEDITION ACTS IT RAISED FROM FIVE YEARS TO 14 YEARS THE TIME TO TOOK TO BECOME A CITIZEN AND DECLARED ANY CRITICISM OF THE PRESIDENT TO BE ILLEGAL.

YOU COULD NOT CRITICIZE CONGRESS AND IT ANGERED JEFFERSON AND IT CALLED FOR THE DEPORTATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS AGAINST THE INTERESTS OF THE COUNTRY.

AND THAT HAD ENGAGED IN PREDATORY INVASIONS AND WHAT THE NATION WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.

WE WERE ON A WAR FOOTING.

BUT KENTUCKY HAD A DIFFERENT REACTION TO YOU WILL AOF THAT.

KENTUCKY HAD A LOT OF AFFINITY FOR FRANCE SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS GOVERNOR GARRET WAS UPSET.

HE WROTE PRESIDENT ADAMS AND SAID KENTUCKY'S IN A STATE OF INSURRECTION.

HE SAYS IF NOT COMPLETELY HE SAYS DISAFFECTED WITH THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT YOU NEED TO RETHINK THIS POLICY.

SO JEFFERSON WHO WAS VICE-PRESIDENT AT THE TIME, SECRETLY WROTE THE KENTUCKY RESOLUTIONS AND GAVE THEM TO JOHN BRECKINRIDGE AND THE GREAT BIOGRAPHER OF THOMAS JEFFERSON SPECULATED AND CAME CLOSE TO PROVING THAT WILSON CARRY NICHOLAS WAS THE GO-BETWEEN IN GETTING THESE RESOLUTIONS TO KENTUCKY.

BRECKINRIDGE WAS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THEY PASSED WITHIN TWO DAYS UNANIMOUSLY AND THEY DECLEAR CLAIRED THAT KENTUCKY WASN'T GOING TO ABIDE BY THE ALIEN SEDITIONS ACT.

WE DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE DEPORTED WE THOUGHT IT WAS DISRUPTIVE.

WE DECLARED STATE OF NULLIFICATION AS IT RELATES TO THOSE ACTS.

AND DECIDED WE WEREN'T GOING TO ABIDE BY THE LAW.

THE SAME THING PASSED IN VIRGINIA THAT JEFFERSON WROTE.

BUT MOST OF THE REST OF THE NATION WAS SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON NATIONALLY.

FORTUNATELY, THE ACT DIED SORT OF A NATURAL DEATH.

THEY WERE NEVER IMPLEMENTED.

I ARGUE IN THE BOOK THAT THIS WAS A PRELUDE TO THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE WHERE WE GOT ON MUCH BETTER TERMS WITH FRANCE.

AND JEFFERSON IT WAS A BIG ISSUE IN THE ELECTION OF 1800.

ADAMS TRIED TO RUN AGAIN AND JEFFERSON WON AND HE PUT OUR KENTUCKY AND JOHN BRECKINRIDGE A U.S.

SENATOR AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND JUST BEFORE HE TOOK THE JOB AS ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE SPEARHEADED THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE A HUGE ADDITION OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES AND 15 NEW STATES AND HELPED DEVELOP THE WESTWARD EXPANSION OF THE COUNTRY.

>> Renee: HOW DO YOU CONTEXTIZE HEAR AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WHEN IT COMES TO DEPORTATIONS AND THE REFLECTION ON THE ALIENS ENEMIES ACT NOW?

HOW DO YOU PUT ALL OF THAT INTO CONTEXT?

>> YES.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT IS REMARKABLE IS THE SAME LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE AS PASSED IS STILL THERE TODAY.

THAT IS THE ONLY PART OF THE ALIEN SEDITION ACT IS ALIVE AND ON THE BOOKS AND THAT PERMITS THE DEPORTATION OF INDIVIDUALS ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT ARE DEEMED TO HAVE ENGAGED IN AN INVASION OR PREDATORY INCUR JEANS.

THE COURTS STRUGGLE WITH THAT.

THERE WAS A TEXAS COURT THAT THOUGHT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO ENGAGE IN THE DEPORTATION SCHEME.

AND THE SUPREME COURT, FOR THOUSAND, SAID THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CAN PROCEED BUT THEY NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF ASPECTS OF DUE PROCESS.

WHAT DOES DUE PROCESS MEAN?

DOES THAT MEAN EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO A HEARING?

THAT COULD BE THE CASE AND THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT.

IT WILL BE FASCINATING TO SEE AS THAT CASE MOVES ALONG IF THERE MAYBE FIVE VOTES ON THAT U.S. SUPREME COURT TO VALIDATE THE DEPORTATION SCHEME.

ONE OF THE COURTS I THINK IT WAS THE TEXAS COURT, ATTACKED THE PRESIDENT'S PROCLAMATION DECLARING AN EMERGENCY AND IMPLEMENTING THE ALIEN ENEMIES ACT ON THE GROUNDS HE HAD NOT ESTABLISHED ENOUGH OF A NEXT DISCUSS BETWEEN THE NEXUS BETWEEN THE ALIENS BEING A THREAT THAT ENGAGED IN AN INVASION.

IN OTHER WORDS FOR CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICAN GANGS DO THEY CONSTITUTE ENEMIES THAT ENGAGED IN AN INVASION WHICH IS QUESTIONABLE OR A PREDATORY INCURSION AND WHAT IS THAT?

WE HEARD LAST WEEK THIS IS ALL SO CURRENT IN THE NEWS, THEY ARE THINK BEING REDOING THAT PROJECT PROCLAMATION TO TIE MORE OF A NEXUS TO THE GANGS AND PERHAPS SUPPORT FROM AN EVIDENTIARY STANDPOINT AN ASSOCIATION OF CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICAN GANGS WITH NATIONALISTIC ACTIVITIES IN PARTICULAR COUNTRIES.

THE JURY IS OUT HOW THAT WILL DEVELOP BUT IT'S JUST ALMOST AS INTERESTING AND CONTROVERSIAL AS IT WAS IN KENTUCKY 240 YEARS AGO.

>> Renee: FLEMING TALKS ABOUT THOMAS JEFFERSON HOW HE INFLUENCED KENTUCKY'S SEPARATION OF POWERS LANGUAGE IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

THAT IS CONSIDERED QUOTE UNUSUALLY FORCEFUL.

WE'LL BRING YOU THAT IN A FUTURE BROADCAST OF "KENTUCKY EDITION."

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