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BILL MCCLELLAN FROM THE ST. LOUIS POST DISPATCH AND STL TODAY.COM.

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AND START WITH YOU, BILL.

TISHAURA JONES DELIVERED THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS THIS WEEK AND TOUTED LOWER CRIME NUMBERS AND ALSO LOWER AMOUNTS OF TIME IT TAKES TO CALL 911.

IN FACT, I HAD THE EXPERIENCE LAST WEEK DRIVING HOME ON 6440.

I SAW A WOMAN IN DISTRESS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SOME GUY NAMED WAGNER ANSWERED WITHIN FIVE SECONDS.

I WAS VERY SATISFIED WITH THAT.

SHE SAID THAT THE CITY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RENAISSANCE, THE MAYOR DID.

DO YOU BELIEVE IT?

>> NOT QUITE.

I'M A BIG BOOSTER OF.. AND I'M IN FOREST PARK EVERY DAY.

WHEN FRIEN.. TAKE THEM TO THE HILL, AND EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS IMPRESSED.

BUT I THINK THE CITIES IN THE RENAISSANCE KIND OF OVER DOES IT.

I DON'T ..

I THINK THE CRIME PROBLEM IS A CULTURAL THING, AND IT'S ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY, THE GANG ?S STA CULTURE.

AN.. IS CLAYTON AND HALF IS THE CITY.

AND IF YOU LIVE ON THE CLAYTON SIDE, LIKE I DO, YOU HAVE THE WONDERFUL SCHOOLS FOR FREE.

IF YOU LIVE ON THE CITY SIDE, YOU HAVE TO FACTOR INTUITION TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL PRETTY MUCH.

SO I THINK UNTIL THOSE TWO THINGS, NEITHER OF WHICH THE MAYOR HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HAPPEN, THERE WON'T REALLY BE A RENAISSANCE.

>>.. CITY, AND I SAID AT SOME POINT AFTER THE ELECTION OR WHILE I WAS RUNNING THAT I WAS GOING TO PRODUCE CRIME, THERE'S A THING CALLED HERE ME TELLING.

I HAVE WIPED CRIME OUT.

SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT.

RENAISSANCE, I WOULD SAY WE ARE IN THE BEGINNING OF A RENAISSANCE.

I MEAN.. SAY WE ARE OFF TO A GOOD START, AND I WANT TO SEEP THE GOOD START GOING.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

..

THE DISTANCE.

SHE'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

SHE'S A POLITICIAN.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT SHE HAS TO SAY.

BUT WE ARE NOT NEAR A RENAISSANCE IN MY OPINION.

>> RENAISSANCE IS ONE OF THOSE GREAT WORDS, AND NO ONE IS GOING TO KICK OFF A SECOND RUN TO BE MAYOR, WHICH THE MAYOR IS GOING TO DO BY SAYING WE ARE IN A SO-SO SPOT RIGHT NOW.

YOU CALL IT A RENAISSANCE.

THE ONLY THING ABOUT -- AND I BELIEVE WHEN THE CRIME STATS ARE ON YOUR SIDE, GO AHEAD AND BRAG ABOUT THEM.

BUT WHEN THE STATS S..

THE OTHER WAY, DON'T SHY AWAY FROM THEM THEN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE FIND AND I HAVE FOUND OVER THE YEARS.

IN FACT, I REMEMBER A GREAT LINE FROM THE LATE POLICE CHIEF BOB SHEETS WHO SAID I NEVER TAKE CREDIT FOR THE CRIME RATE WHEN IT GOES DOWN AND I DON'T TAKE BLAME WHEN IT GOES UP.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

THEY ARE CYCLICAL.

>> I HAD LUNCH WITH ONE OF HIS AIDES WHO SAID TO ME THINGS HAVE REALLY TURNED AROUND, AND THE KIDS ARE ALL MOVING BACK FROM THE SU PUSHES, COMING INTO THE CITY, AND THE PARENTS LIKE YOU WILL FOLLOW, LIVE DOWNTOWN, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE USED THE WORD RENAISSANCE OR THE OTHER ONE THEY LIKE IS TRANSFORMATIONAL.

>> I THINK THE MAYOR DESERVES CRITICISM FOR NOT GETTING THE CITY ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

SHE WANTED CONTROL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SHE STILL WANTS IT, BILL, BUT SHE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED FROM 1300 TO 1200.

SHE DID GIVE THEM A PAY RAISE, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO COMPETE IN THE ARMS RACE OF SALARIES IN THE COUNTY.

AS A RESUL.. HOMICIDES THAT ARE FAR HIGHER THAN A LOT OF CITIES IN THE COUNTRY WITH MUCH HIGHER POPULATIONS.

>> SHE'S FOCUSING ON NORTH ST. LOUIS, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE MOST STEADY, YOU KNOW, INCREASES.

>&g..

ANYTHING COMPARED TO THAT.

I HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.

BUT WHAT'S YOUR POINT, CHARLIE?

SHE SAID IT WAS A RENAISSANCE, AND SHE'S RUNNING -- I DON'T THINK ANY OF US SITTING AT THE TABLE -- THERE'S OTHER ISSUES, TOO, AND WE HAVE HAD ISSUES SUCH AS THE JAIL WHERE THE REVIEW BOARD CANNOT EVEN TOUR THE KITCHEN OR THE MEDICAL FACILITIES.

WE H..

WHICH ARE SO BAD THAT VENDORS ARE THREATENING TO QUIT.

>> THE POINT I'M MAKING IS I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

IF WE WANT TO BANG ON THE MARROW.

>>..

COOL WORD TO USE WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO RUN FOR REELECTION.

>> IT'S NOT TETHERED TO REALITY, THOUGH.

.. STORY THAT THE POPULATION LOSS IN THE CITY OF ST. LOUIS IS GREATER THAN A HANDFUL OF CITIES IN THE COUNTRY.

>> LIFE IS STILL FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE VERY GOOD.

>> THEN WHY ARE THEY MOVING OUT?

>> CHARLIE, SOME ARE MOVING IN.

>> YOU MENTIONED THAT CLAIM AND EDUCATION ARE REALLY BAD.

>> THEY ARE.

IS IT A RENAISSANCE?

NO.

IS IT PERFECT?

NO, NOT AT ALL.

>> I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE HAD TO CANCEL THE 13 CARNIVAL.

WE CANCELED THE MOON LIGHT.

I THINK IT'S A CITY IN DESPAIR.

>> JOE BIDEN AND DONALD TRUMP ARE PAINTING A PICTURE OF THEMSELVES THAT SAID MAN, THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE.

>> YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING THEM EITHER, ARE YOU?

>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS THAT IF I'M RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND MY STUMP SPEECHES AND THESE ARE THE THINGS I SAID, OKAY, SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE SAYING OH, THIS IS THAT, AND THIS IS THIS AND THAT'S THAT.

SHE'S GOING TO RUN FOR MAYOR.

>> HE SAID THERE WAS A GREAT MA MALACE.

>.. STUMP SPEECH.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH YOU THAT WE ARE NOT IN A RENAISSANCE.

AGAIN, IS SHE GOING TO SAY WE ARE SO-SO, WE ARE OKAY.

WE ARE PRETTY LUKE WARM.

NO.

>> MEMBE..

POLITICIANS TO WHAT THEY SAY -- GLS A WORD CHOICE.

>> YOU ARE LIKE THE SPORTS ANALYSTS WHO COVER THE CARDINALS.

>> OH, NO.

WAIT A MINUTE.

>> I THINK DEREK GOLD DOES A WONDERFUL JOB AND EXPLAINS THINGS WE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD OF.

>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE SI PAR SHOP WHO WAS OFF DUTY AT THE MARCH QUIMARCHMARCHLOUNGE, AND HE WAS APPR EHENDING SOMEONE WHO WAS FAILING TO LEAVE A BAR.

I GUESS HE WAS GOING.. ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING OR DISTURBANCE OF THE PEACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

HE DETAINED HI..

HIM WHICH IS CORRECT POLICE PROCEDURE, BUT THEN HE LIT UP A STOAGY WHILE THE GUY WAS ON HIS BACK.

THAT'S SO UNPR..

WHEN PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> WHAT .. SHORTAGE AND THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS IN ST. LOUIS AND CITY OF ST. LOUIS?

WHO WOULD SIGN ON FOR THIS KIND OF SCRUTINY.

I DON'T THINK WE COULD ASK MEN AND WOMEN -- THIS ISN'T ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

THIS IS THE EMILY POST.

THIS IS SOMEBODY WHOSE CHARGED WITH KEEPING THE PEACE.

HE WAS ACTING AS AN OFF DUTY SECURITY OFFICER, AS THEY OFTEN DO.

AND WEAR.. MAYBE HE WAS HOT DOGGING FOR HIS FRIENDS.

HE.. OUT OTTOMAN IN QUESTION, ON THE SUSPECT.

TH..

IF HE WANTED TO HAVE A MOMENT WHEN YOU NEED A GREAT DEAL OF ADRENALINE, WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT ETIQUETTE AND APPEARANCES.

AS LONG AS THE SUSPECT WAS NOT HURT, WHICH HE WAS NOT, I UNDERSTAND HE WAS EXPOSED TO SECONDHAND SMOKE, AND I'M SURE A LAWSUIT IS IMMINENT.

I THINK IT'S A TEMPESTIST I TEMPEST IN A TEAPOT.

TH..

LIVES IN THEIR HANDS, AND OCCASIONALLY IF YOU WANT TO BE A COWBOY, BE A COWBOY, AS LONG AS NOBODY GETS HURT.

>> BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT WORSE.

NOBODY GOT HUSBANDER.

NOBODY GOT SHOT.

>> EXACTLY!

>> THERE WAS N.. THAT LEAD TO THE POLICE OFFICER OR THIS PERSON, AND PLUS HE WAS OFF DUTY.

OKAY?

I MIGHT ..

I WAS OFF DUTY AND THIS HAPPENED, AND WHILE I'M WAITING FOR THE POLICE TO GET HERE, I LIT UP A CIGAR.

>> BECAUSE I DID WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

>> YOU ARE UPSET ABOUT THAT AND UPSET ABOUT THE MAYOR'S SPEECH.

CHARLIE, I DON'T GET IT.

>> I CAN RECALL WHEN THESE PANELISTS WERE VERY UPSET WHEN THE POLICE YELLED WHOSE STREETS?

OUR STREETS.

>> THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE.

>> LIGHTIN..

SOMEONE'S FACE?

I WILL GIVE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.

I TOLD YOU POLICE WHO WERE VIDEOTAPED OR WHATEVER.

AND SOME KID, 1:00 IN THE MORNING, SHOULD HAVE BEEN HOME AND SPOUTS OFF TO HIM AND THE POLICE OFFICER SMACKED HIM.

OKAY.

THE ..

HE SMACKED THE POOR LITTLE KID.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT.

I DON'T CARE.

HE COULD HAVE ARRESTED HIM OR DONE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT HE SMACKED THE KID AND TOLD HIM TO GO HOME.

THAT GUY LIT A CIGAR.

DO YOUR JOB.

>> SO IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, YOU WON'T BE BOTHERED BY IT?

>> I WON'T BE BOTHERED BY IT.

>> SHOULD BE PART OF EVERY ARREST RIGHT NOW.

>> BUT HE DIDN'T DO IT WHILE KNEELING ON SOME GUY'S CHEST.

>> HE DIDN'T DO IT.

>> WELL, JOE HOLLEMAN, YOU'RE A GUY WHO FOLLOWS POLITICS AS CAREFULLY AS EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE BUSINESS.

MARK CARTER IS RUNNING FOR STATE SENATOR, STATE REP. >> SENATOR.

>>.. PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY, AND CURRENTLY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND ANESTHESIOLOGIST ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, AND A LOT OF COUNTIES ACROSS THE NATION ARE HEADED UP BY MANAGERS, COUNTY MANAGERS, KIND OF LIKE CITIES LIKE CLAYTON AND CHESTERFIELD AND MANY OTHERS ARE HEADED UP BY CITY MANAGERS, SO YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY TRAINED IN MUNICIPAL OR COUNTY GOVERNANCE RUNNING THE SHOW AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS NO FORMAL CREDENTIALS IN CIVICS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THI..

INTERESTING POLITICAL STORIES, IF ONLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE RAMIFICATIONS.

CERTAINLY IT'S..

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IT'S PUT IN TO BASICALLY THEORETICALLY THE WHOLE MOVE BEHIND THE CITY MANAGEMENT, CITY ADMINISTRATOR TYPE SYSTEM IS TO MOVE DIRECT PRETTIAL INFLUENCE POLITICAL I NFLUENCE, AND ALL CITY COUNCIL OR IN THIS CASE COUNTY COUNCIL IS THEY APPOINT THE MANAGER.

THAT'S WHERE THEIR INFLUENCE IS.

HE'S PROPOSING TO BASICALLY TAKE A BUNCH OF POWER AWAY FROM SAM PAGE, HIS COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING IS THERE ARE THREE REPUBLICANS ON THE BOARD AND FOUR DEMOCRATS.

IT'S TO PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS AS TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO VIS-A-VIS THIS PROPOSAL.

ONE .. HANCOCK AND MARK CARTER, TWO REPUBLICANS, WILL BE IN FAVOR OF IT.

KELLY DUNAWAY AND LI..

SUPPORTED EVERYTHING SAM PAGE DOES.

MR. ANTER WOUL ANTER WOULD HAVE TO GET TWO OF THOSE THREE TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE BILL.

THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL SORTS OF BACK DOOR POLITICAL MANEUVERING.

>> BECAUSE IS IT A GOOD IDEA?

>> GENERALLY SPEAKING THE CITY MANAGER IS A FINE IDEA.

>> WE HAVE ONE.

IN KIRKWOOD, FIVE GENTLEMEN MOVED HERE FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE AND GOT HERE AND GOT HIRED BY THE CITY OF KIRKWOOD, DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY IN KIRKWOOD.

EVEN BETTER.

THAT'S..

I DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF VICTIM.

I'M HERE TO MANAGE THE CITY.

ALL CITIES NEED THEM.

I THINK IT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD IDEA.

.. >> I'M SORRY HOLLEMAN.

MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I GREW UP IN CHICAGO UNDER MAYOR DAILY.

I CAN'T IMAGINE A COUNTY MANAGER AND HE OR HER, HE OR SHE BEING ABOVE POLITICS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

LET THE VOTERS -- THEY MAKE PLENTY OF MISTAKES, BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE AN ELECTED PERSON IN CHARGE.

>>.. DYSFUNCTION, THOUGH, GOING ON AT THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

THIS MIGHT BE OUR ONLY HOPE FOR BRINGING THAT TO AN END.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN RECENT YEARS AND I WAS SO SURPRISED BY IS WHEN THE COUNTY GOT THE MONEY FROM THE RAMS SETTLEMENT AND TOOK YEARS TO PUT IT IN AN INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNT.

MAYB..

KNOWLEDGE OF MUNICIPAL FINANCES, MAYBE THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED AND LOST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

TH.. >> THE CITY FORGETTING TO COLLECT THE MARIJUANA TAX.

THESE SORTS OF THINGS HAPPEN.

BUT HAVING A BUNCH OF TECHNOCRATS.

>> HOW ABOUT A HARD.. PUBLIC SERVANT.

>> HARD WORKING ELECTED PUBLIC SERVANT.

>.. >> WHAT MAYOR WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER SO I COULD SIT AROUND AND SMOKE THAT CIGAR.

>> BLAME THEM.

>> ALVIN REID, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN FERGUSON.

THIS..

APPARENTLY A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWN BUSINESSES -- A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHO RENT BUSINESSES ARE NOT PAYING PROPERTY TAXES, SO THERE'S ONE PROPOSAL TO YANK THE LICENSE FROM THE BUSINESS INSIDE THE BUILDING THAT IS NOT UP-TO-DATE ON ITS PROPERTY TAXES EVEN IF THE BUSINESS ITSELF DOESN'T OWN THE BUILDING AND IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY TAXES.

>> I TRADE E-MAILS AND SPOKE OVER THE YEARS, AND WE HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS, BUT I REALLY LIKE HIM.

>> HE'S THE PERSON PROPOSING THIS.

>.. WHAT, YEAH, THIS IS FOR POTHOLES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE'S ON TO SOMETHING HERE.

YOU HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

MAYBE THE FIRST STEP IS OKAY, YOU MIGHT LOSE YOUR TENANT IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, PAY YOUR TAXES, AND THEN YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANY MONEY AFTER THAT.

JUST MAYBE IT'S TO GET THESE BACK TAXES PAID.

>> AT THE SAME TIME TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S FEET ARE BEING HELD TO A FLAME GIVES IT -- I DON'T KNOW.

>.. >> IF SOMEONE GETS PEDESTRIAN SKEWERS ANPEDICURES,WHY WOULD YOU YANK IT?

>> CHARLIE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO RENT THAT PROPERTY TO MAKE MONEY.

IF YOU TELL HIM YOU CAN'T RENT IT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T PAID YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, AND CASSOFF IS AN ECONOMISTS.

>> IS IT AN IMPERFECT PROPOSAL?

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT IT GETS IT STA.. WHAT YOUR POSITION IS IS IT'S SORT OF LIKE WITH THE PLAGUED UNHOUSED BILL OF RIGHTS, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PERFECT PIECE OF LEGISLATION IMMEDIATELY CRAFTED THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

I APPRECIATE THAT CASSOFF IS SAYING WE NEED TO GET THE TAX MONEY.

YOU OWE TAX MONEY.

HOW DOES THIS WORK?

MAYBE YOU FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE THE PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF PAYING THEIR RENT TO THE LANDLORD, BUT LET'S GET IT STARTED.

>> I'M A BARBER, I GOT A LICENSE, AND MY SHOP IS IN BILL'S BUILDING.

BILL DOESN'T PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES SO MY LICENSE GETS YANKED AND MY KIDS STARVE.

>> NOT NECESSARILY.

I LEFT WITH A SITUATION WHERE I'M SUING MY LANDLORD OR GOING TO THE CITY AND SAY CAN YOU GARNISH OR MY RENT MONEY.

IN FACT I CAN DRIVE IT DOWN HERE AND HAND IT TO YOU.

SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN.

I WILL SAY THE SMALLER THE BUSINESS, THE LESS CHANCE YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF JUSTICE.

IF EMERSON, OR WHOEVER USED TO BE IN FERGUSON, HAD TO PAY THEIR TAXES ON A BUILDING THAT THEY RENTED, THEY AIN'T GOING TO THROW OUT WHOEVER WORKS THERE.

>> I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU.

YOU USED THE CORRECT VERB TENSE FOR GARNISHEE.

>> AS BILL MCCLELLAN ALWAYS SAYS, DON'T LET THE PERFECT BE THE ENVY OF THE GOOD.

>> AND CHOUTEAU SHE DECIDED TO YANK THE LICENSE OF SHOOT THEM UP SHELL.

SO NOW THERE'S CRIME SURROUNDING THE OWNERS THAT THE BP STATION ON CHOUTEAU AND THE BOARD ELECTED TO YANK THAT LICENSE AS IF THE BP IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GUNFIRE?

>> IF I'M WILLING TO THROW INNOCENT FERGUSON PEOPLE OUT OF THE BUSINESS, YES, TAKE THE LICENSE FROM THE CRAZY BP.

AND HE PROBABLY HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY YOU ARE A NUISANCE.

BYE.

BUT SOMEBODY WILL STEP UP.

THAT SOMEBODY WILL PROMISE TO DO ALL THE RIGHT THINGS AND WON'T BE A SHOOT THEM UP SHELL OR BLAST THEM BP.

BUT WILL REMAIN TO SEE IF THAT'S TRUE.

BUT NEW OWNERS.. AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL WORK BETTER.

YO..

THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

>> I THINK IT SOUNDS SHADY.

I REALLY DO.

I THINK A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES HAVE TRIED.

THIS IS LIKE THE CIT.. WAR ON BUSINESSES THAT MAYBE IN EARNEST THEY HIRED EXTRA SECURITY AND HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO HOLD UP THEIR END OF IT.

I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT.

>> THE CITY CUT 400 OFFICERS.

THERE'S A LOT OF SHOOTINGS AROUND THE BP AND THE BP OWNER GETS BLAMED FOR IT.

>> SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WE BROUGHT THE VERY SUBJECT UP ON THIS SHOW AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

LET'S LOOK AT THE CITY'S LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS, THAT'S ONE REASON THAT PLACES -- IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE PLACE TO BECOME A PROBLEM SPOT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS OUT THERE.

SO THE CITY IS CULPABLE IN THIS SITUATION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY CITY'S POWER TO SHUT DOWN WHAT IT BELIEVES IS A PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> IF THERE WERE 20 OF THESE THINGS, THAT'S ONE THING.

IF THERE'S ONE HERE AND ONE THERE, SHUT THEM DOWN.

>> WENDY WIESE, THE GOVERNOR MIKE PARSON TRAVELED TO ITALY, PART OF AN ECONOMIC, I GUESS, JUNKETTE AND HE WANTS TO STIMULATE BUSINESS TO ITALY.

>> MISSOURI HAD $170 MILLION IN EXPORTS IN 2023.

THAT'S NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT.

MICHAEL JORDAN SAID, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, YOU MISS 100% OF THE SHOTS YOU DO NOT TAKE.

I DO NOT BEGRUDGE THE GOVERNOR TAKING THIS TRIP TO EUROPE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE STOPPING IN ROME AND MILAN.

>> HE'S GOING TO LEARN ABOUT RENAISSANCE.

HE LIS.. TALK ABOUT THE RENAISSANCE.

>> MAYBE THEY ARE GOING TOGETHER.

>> I WIL.. CAN YOU JAM IN BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 1st WHEN THE NEW GOVERNOR TAKES OVER?

YEAH.

AND WE M..

THEY MAKE WINE IN ITALY.

SO MAYBE WE CAN TRADE OR SOMETHING.

IT'S A TRIP THAT HE TOOK.

THAT'S ALL.

>> I DON'T EXPECT HIM TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING EXCEPT SEE THE WORLD A LITTLE BIT.

HE WENT FROM BEING A SHERIFF TO THE GOVERNOR.

>> SHAKE A FEW HANDS.

>> VISIT ST. LOUIS.

COME TO KANSAS CITY.

>> THE MAYOR RECENTLY WENT TO MONTREAL WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE.

LAST YEAR ..

INCLUDING PEOPLE FROM THIS TV STATION, WENT TO LONDON, RIGHT?

>> THEY WENT TO WORK AND PEOPLE WENT TO MONTREAL AND CAME AROUND AND CAME BACK.

THEY WEREN'T THERE FOR HOWEVER LONG THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO BE THERE.

&g.. >> I THINK THEY ATE LUNCH AND CAME BACK.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>.. EXPORTS -- I KNOW IT CAN BE GREATER, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO TRY TO DO.

>> HOW MUCH WILL THE GOVERNOR BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH AS FAR AS GETTING NEW EXPORTS?

I DON'T KNOW.

>> WAS IT 170 MILLION TO ITALY ITSELF?

>> ITALY.

>.. ITALY?

&g.. >> H.. YOU PRESS A LITTLE PLEASURE.

THESE ARE JUNKETS, MAN.

>> ONE MINUTE TO GO, AND EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THE GREAT KIRKWOODIANS PASSED AWAY.

DAVID SEEBORN PERFORMED NOT ONLY ON LATE NIGHT TELEVISION BUT ROLLING STONES AND AS WELL AS DAVID BOWIE.

HE SAID HE WAS THE LAST KID PICKED FOR ALL HIS SPORTS TEAMS GROWING UP IN KIRKWOOD BECAUSE HE HAD POLIO, OF COURSE AND DELIVERELIVED WITH THAT HIS ENTIRE LIFE.

HUGE TALENT IN OUR OWN BACKYARD.

>> HE TOOK PRIDE IN THE CITY THAT HE HAD LIVED IN FOR MANY YEARS.

IT'S A SAD DAY WHEN .. AWAY.

HE HAD J..

GUESS, LAST FALL FROM ST. LOUIS.

AND IT'S FITTING THAT THAT DID OCCUR.

.. >> FOR SURE, ONE OF THE GREATS.

LET'S GO TO THE OLD MAILBAG AND SEE WHAT THE VIEWERS SAY ABOUT LAST WEEK'S SHOW.

JIM AND BECKY SACHS WROTE THIS PAST SATURDAY EVENING WE ATTENDED BUGS BUNNY AT THE SYMPHONY WHILE UFC FIGHT NIGHT WAS AT ENTERPRISE AND HAD A HOME GAME.

WE ARE PLEASED TO SEE A NU.. OF POLICE OFFICERS DIRECTING TRAFFIC AND MONITORING THE AREA.

THANK YOU FOR BEING THERE.

IT WAS APPRECIATED.

WE ALSO HEARD FROM MORRIS FLETCHER OF KIRKWOOD WHO WROTE ST. LOUIS PUBLIC SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD TAKE THE FUNDS THEY ARE CONSIDERING TO PAY PARENTS TO DRIVE CHILDREN TO SCHOOL AND FUND PAY RAISES FOR BUS DRIVERS.

WE ALSO GOT THIS CALL FROM -- THAT WAS MORRIS FLETCHER OF KIRKWOOD, AND WE GOT THE CALL FROM THE NINE LINE.

>> WHERE IS KIM GARDNER STORY IS PURELY A POLITICAL FABRICATION, BECAUSE I CHECKED THE MISSOURI BAR WEBSITE AND SHE'S A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING, WHICH MEANS SHE PAID THE BAR DUES IN 2024 AND COMPARED THE ADDRESS.

IF THEY WANTED TO FEEND HER, HE CAN CONTACT THE MISSOURI BAR.

THEY HAVE AN ADDRESS FOR HER.

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