>> O'Connell: TONIGHT ON BOSTON:" I'M SUE O'CONNELL, IN FOR JIM BRAUDE.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT WHO HE WANTS TO SEE SUCCEED IN PRIMARY ELECTIONS.

SO, WHAT DO THE RESULTS SO FAR TELL US ABOUT HIS ONGOING INFLUENCE, AND THE FUTURE DIRECTION OF THE PARTY?

THEN, WITH NO PARADE FOR A THIRD YEAR RUNNING IN BOSTON, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE OF PRIDE IN THE CITY.

>> O'Connell: SINCE THE POLITICAL RISE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, MANY BELIEVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT LARGE HAS BEEN FIRMLY REMADE IN HIS IMAGE, AND SOME OF THIS WEEK'S PRIMARIES HELPED SUPPORT THAT THEORY, WITH SOLID WINS FOR TRUMP-BACKED SENATE CANDIDATES J.D.

VANCE IN OHIO, AND TED BUDD IN NORTH CAROLINA.

BUT AS FOR HIS ENDORSEMENT IN THE IDAHO GOVERNOR'S RACE?

THAT CANDIDATE LOST BY MORE THAN 20%.

AND IN PENNSYLVANIA, TRUMP-BACKED MEHMET OZ, BETTER KNOWN TO MOST AS "DOCTOR OZ," IS NECK-AND-NECK WITH HIS ESTABLISHMENT OPPONENT.

BUT THEN THERE'S DOUG MASTRIANO, WHO PAID FOR BUSES THAT GOT PEOPLE TO THE CAPITOL RIOT-- AND ATTENDED HIMSELF-- FALSELY CLAIMING THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

HE WAS WELL ON HIS WAY TO PRIMARY VICTORY IN THE PENNSYLVANIA GOVERNOR RACE, EVEN BEFORE TRUMP'S OFFICIAL ENDORSEMENT.

SO, WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

JOINING ME TO DISCUSS IS AND JACQUETTA VAN ZANDT, THE HOST OF THE "POLITICS AND PROSECCO" VIDEO-CAST, AND A FORMER ADVISOR TO FRAMINGHAM MAYOR YVONNE SPICER.

AND, OZZIE PALOMO, FOUNDING PARTNER AND MANAGING DIRECTOR OF CHARTWELL STRATEGY GROUP.

DOUG MASTRIANO WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU, OZZIE, I WANT TO START WITH YOU FIRST AND SCRKS AND I WILL ASK YOU JACQUETTA, HAVE YOU SEEN A FORMER PRESIDENT OF EITHER PARTY THIS INVOLVED IN PRIMARY POLITICS IN THEIR PARTY, JUST AFTER LEAVING OFFICE, OZZIE, HAVE YOU?

>> NOT, CERTAINLY NOT IN THE MODERN ERA BUT I THINK AS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, SUE, TRUMP KIND OF BROKE THE MOLD ABOUT WHAT KREFN PRESIDENT, SITTING PRESIDENTS AND FORMER PRESIDENTS DID WITH RESPECT TO THEIR PARTY.

SO ST NOT SURPRISING.

I THINK HE ENJOYS BEING IN THE LIMELIGHT AND YIELDING-- WIELDING THE INFLUENCE OF HE ENJOYS THOUGH IT IS SCALING BACK SOME BUT AT THE END OF DAY HE ENJOYS BEING THE CENTER OF THE ATTENTION AND THIS IS A FORE MAT FOR HIM TO BE THERE.

>> O'Connell: JACQUETTA WE TALKED OVER THE YEARS WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS DONE WITH HIS TERM MANY WERE WORRIED HE DIDN'T GET INVOLVED QUICKLY ENOUGH INTO THE NEXT ELECTION AND THAT HAS BEEN A CRITICISM OF MANY PRESIDENTS AGAIN OF BOTH PARTIES.

HAS TRUMP CHANGED THIS NOW, WHEN BIED EVERYONE LEAVES OFFICE AT SOME POINT ARE PEOPLE GOING TO EXPECT HIM TO BE THIS INVOLVED LIKE TRUMP HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN HIS OWN PARTY'S PRIMARY ELECTIONS?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT DEMOCRATS DO.

I THINK YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF I'M OUT OF OFFICE NOW.

I WILL DIBBLE AND DABBLE IF I HAVE TO BUT IT'S NOT MANDATORY AND I WON'T DO IT IF I DON'T NEED TO.

AND BUT THIS IS ALSO WHERE REPUBLICANS KEEP BEATING US AT THE DOOR.

THEY CERTAINLY HAVE AN IDEA OF OKAYS I'M OUT OF OFFICE.

BUT I STILL NEED MY LEGACY AND MY RHETORIC TO GO FORWARD.

AND SO HOW DO I DO THAT?

>> I TAP PEOPLE THAT I KNOW ARE GOING TO CARRY ON THIS INFORMATION.

IT'S WHAT THEY DO BEST.

AND IT IS LITERALLY HOW THEY HAVE RUN THE PARTY, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR THE LAST, FOR ME THE LAST 20 YEARS.

AND EVEN WHEN THEY DID THEIR AUTOPSY AFTER I BELIEVE IT WAS AFTER 2008, THAT WAS, THEY KNEW THAT THAT WAS THEIR STICKING POINT.

AND THEY KEPT RUNNING WITH IT.

>> O'Connell: ODDIE, I'M CUR-- CURIOUS ABOUT THIS TRUMP INFLUENTIAL.

BECAUSE ON ONE HAND HE HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE PRIMARY RACES.

BUT FROM OTHERS, SO I FROM AN OBJECTIVE STANDPOINT, NOT POLICY OR PERSONALITY BUT FROM AN OBJECTIVE STANDPOINT HE IS ALSO MAKING A LOT OF PEOPLE ANGRY WITHIN THE PARTY.

IF YOU JUST LOOK IN PENNSYLVANIA, THAT WAS A LATE ENDORSEMENT FOR THE GOVERNOR, THE CANDIDATE, MASTRIANO WHO IS PROBABLY GOING TO WIN ANYWAY, AND PEOPLE GOT UPSET THAT TRUMP GOT INTO THAT RACE AND DIDN'T ENDORSE THE OTHER CANDIDATE.

AND WITH THE DOCTOR OZ ENDORSEMENT, THAT RACE IS STILL BEING COUNTED.

PEOPLE WERE UPSET THAT OZ WAS ENDORSED, THAT HE WAS NOT QUITE AS TRUMP AS KATHY BARNET WHO WAS THE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE IN THAT RACE WHO MAY ACTUALLY END UP BEING THE SPOILER FOR OZ IF HE DOESN'T WIN.

ARE FOLKS IN THE JUST GENERAL, THE SUPPORTERS OF TRUMP AND THE RANK AND FILE REPUBLICANS, ARE THEY JUST ALL GENERALLY MAD AT TRUMP FOR BEING INVOLVED IN THESE PRIMARIES OR ARE THEY HAPPY?

>> YEAH, LOOK, IF YOU TAKE PENNSYLVANIA, IF THERE IS A METHOD TO THE MADNESS ON THE ENDORSEMENT, HE ONLY KNOWS WHAT THAT FORMULA.

IS HE CAME OUT EARLY AND CAME OUT EARLY FOR OZ AT THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE, WE WEREN'T SURE IF HE WAS GOING TO ENDORS DASH DASH ---- HE CAME OUT AND ENDORSING MASTRIANO LATE ON FRIDAY AFTER SEEING THE POLLS AND SAYING THIS IS A GUARANTEED THING, HE ESSENTIALLY UNDERCUT HIS ENCARNACION OWN ENDORSEMENT OF DR. OZ AND THAT MAY HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON ELECTION DAY VOTERS IN PENNSYLVANIA THAT VOTED THIS PAST TUESDAY.

WE WON'T KNOW THE RESULTS OF THAT, IT IS GETTING TOWARDS MANDATORY RECOUNT TERRITORY AND IT WILL BE SEVERAL WEEK, BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT IS THERE.

BUT YOU COULD HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE HIS LATEST ENDORSEMENT OF SOMEONE ON THERE WAY TO WINNING A PRIMARY COULD HAVE UNDERCUT HIS ACTUAL ENDORSEMENT OF A SENATE CANDIDATE WHO MAY HAVE HAD A CHANCE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARTY AT LARGE, I THINK THE PRESIDENT HITS HIGH WATERMARK AMONGST REPUBLICAN VOTERS PROBABLY IN OCTOBER OF 2020, A LITTLE BEFORE THE ELECTION WHERE NEARLY 80 PERCENT OF REPUBLICANS SUPPORTED THE PRESIDENT.

THAT HAS SUB SIDED NOW.

NOW LOOKING AT SIX IN TEN REPUBLICAN VOTERS THAT SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT.

AND WANT HIM TO REMAIN INVOLVED.

BUT AGAIN THAT HAS GONE DOWN ROUGHLY 20% FROM THE HIGH WATERMARK WHICH TO ME IS AN INDICATION THAT HE CERTAINLY HAS BROAD SUPPORT WITHIN THE PARTY AND THERE IS NO DENYING IT.

HE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE GUBERNATORIAL RACES AND THE POLLS ARE CORRECT.

IS HE ABOUT TO HAVE AN EMBARRASSING LOSS TO GEORGIA WITH DAVID PERDUE DOWN 36 POINTS.

I THINK A LITTLE BIT DEPENDS ON WHERE THE ENDORSEMENT, WHO THE CANDIDATES ARE AND WHAT THE ELECTORATE LIKE, AN ENDORSEMENT IN PENNSYLVANIA IS NOT THE SAME AS ENDORSEMENT IN NORTH CAROLINA.

ENDORSEMENT IN GEORGIA, IS NOT THE SAME IF HE STEPS INTO NEW HAMPSHIRE SENATE RACE THAT WE HAVE NUR OWN BACKYARD.

ONE AREA TO LOOK AT WHERE HE IS WAITING TO SEE WHERE IT WILL LAND BEFORE HE MAKES ENDORSEMENT IS MISSOURI.

THERE IS ALOT OF FEAR WILL COME OUT AND ENDORSE SOMEBODY CRAZY SO THE PARTY HAS BEEN TRYING TO KEEP HIM AT BAY.

BUT MY SENSE IS ONCE HE SEES A POLL THAT SHOW WHO'S THE WINNER WILL BE IN MISSOURI, HE WANTS TO KEEP THAT SENATE TRAIN RUNNING AS FAR AS IT IS A SUCCESSFUL ENDORSEMENT LIKE OHIO AND NORTH CAROLINA.

>> O'Connell: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DOUG MASTRIANO MORE IN PENNSYLVANIA GO THE GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE FOR GOP.

WE RARELY TALK THIS DEEPLY ABOUT STATE ELECTIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR REGION BUT TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN IT MAKES IT NEWS WORTHY AND MASTRIANO IS ALSO NEWS WORTHY BECAUSE OF HIS INVOLVEMENT IN THE INVESTIGATION THAT THE SENATE COMMITTEE REGARDING HIS INVOLVEMENT AT THE JANUARY 6th RIOT.

I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP FROM HIM WINNING THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE TALKING ABOUT WHAT HIS CAMPAIGN WAS BUILT ON.

LET'S TAKE A LISTEN.

>> IT GIVES US ALL HOPE, GOD USES THE FULLEST, THE WISE AND THE WEAK BE FOUND AS STRONG, RIGHT.

AND HE USES PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME TO CHANGE HISTORY.

>> O'Connell: SO THE INVOLVEMENT JACQUETTA OF THE EVANGELICALS IN THE SUPERMAGA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE CALLING IT THESE DAY, SUPERMAGA, ULTRA MAGA, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A MARVEL MOVIE OR NOT YOU ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE EVANGELICALS IN THIS MOVEMENT IS REALLY SHAPING A LOT OF THE WAY THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING IN THESE RACES.

HOW ARE THE DEMOCRATS GOING TO RESPOND TO THIS MELD OF RELIGION AND POLITICS?

>> I THINK THE FIRST THING IS THEY HAVE TO STOP BEING SCARED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I THINK WHAT WE SEE FROM THE LEFT IS THERE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT THAT COMES WITH SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES.

YOU WILL SEE A LOT.

I TRY TO PUT IT INTO SESSIONMENTS.

THE GRAND OLD PARTY.

THE REAGAN REPUBLICANS, THOSE PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTOOD THAT YES, I WANT SMALL GOVERNMENT BUT YOU KNOW I'M ALSO ABOUT MAKING IT AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD.

WHERE THE DEMOCRATS, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO EAT THEIR OWN AND THAT'S FINE.

LET THEM DO IT.

BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE AFRAID TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, WE'RE AFRAID OF THE THANKSGIVING CONVERSATION.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT RELIGION.

I BARELY WANT TO TALK ABOUT MUSIC.

WE ARE NOT HAVING REAL CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE APART OF THOSE REAL CONVERSATIONS MEANS SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THE DEMOCRAT, THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO RISE ABOVE THIS AND NOT TALK ABOUT IT.

I BELIEVE WHEN THEY GO LOW WE GO HIGH.

BUT I ALSO BELIEVE IN GETTING IN SOMEONE'S FACE AND SAYING NO, ARE YOU NOT CORRECT ABOUT THIS.

AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET YOU PERPETUATE THIS LIE.

AND THE DEMOCRATS JUST HAVEN'T DONE THAT.

THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SILENT.

>> WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN VERY FAR AWAY FROM THAT REPUBLICAN AUTOPSY THAT WAS DONE I THINK THAT YOU MENTIONED.

>> YEAH, JACQUETTA TOO ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT FROM-- WERE, THAT THE REPUBLICANS WERE PUSHING FORWARD.

>> I WANT TO PLAY ANOTHER CLIP FROM DOUG MASTRIANO BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE WENT OUT TO VOTE FOR HIM.

>> AND YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE SCHOOLS SHUTS DOWN AND THEY MASKED UP YOUR KIDS.

WHEN THEY MASKED UP YOUR KIDS?

DEPRIVED YOUR KIDS OF ATHLETIC OPPORTUNITIES, SCHOLARSHIPS?

OF-- OF THEIR EDUCATION?

OF THEIR PROM?

OF LIFE?

MASKING THEM UP FOR NO-- NO SCIENTIFIC REASON TO DO THAT?

NOT IN MY PENNSYLVANIA!

WHAT DO YOU SAY?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) >> O'Connell: SO OZZIE, THIS AGAIN SAY CANDIDATES WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT JOE BIDEN LEGITIMATELY WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

IS THIS THE KIND OF RACE WE'RE GOING TO SEE FROM A NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS BOTH ON THE STATEWIDE LEVEL AND ON ITS RACES DURING THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS HERE FOR CONGRESS?

>> LOOK, MOST OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS I DEAL WITH AND CANDIDATES I DEAL WITH, 2020 HAS BEEN SETSED, RIGHT, JOE BIDEN DUALLY ELECTED TO PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, CURRENTLY SERVING AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS BROADER CONSERVATIVE-- CONSPIRACY THEORY AMONG THE BROADER REPUBLICAN PARTIES.

BUT I THINK IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON THE CANDIDATES AND WHICH REGION OF THE COUNTRY WE'RE DISCUSSION.

THE ELECTABILITY AND VIABILITY OF CANDIDATES ARE SOMETHING BOTH PARTIES STRUGGLE WITH QUITE FRANKLY AND THE REFERENCE MADE TO REPUBLICANS EATING THEIR OWN WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF DEMOCRATS EATING THEIR OWN, IN NEW YORK MASS, SEAN PATRICK MALONEY POTENTIALLY CHEAJING AN AFRICAN PLARYN IN THE 17th DISTRICT ITS-- HAPPENS WITH BOTH PARTIES, LEX ABILITY AND VIABILITY IS SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE SPHRUG ELED IN THE PAST.

LOOK BACK IN 2012 WHEN WE HAD SENATE RACES THAT THEY PUT FORWARD CANDIDATES THAT LOOK GREAT IN THE PRIMARY BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, INCITE THE BASE.

THEY LOST HANDILY, SO I KNOW THAT THE PARTY AT LARGE IS ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON EXPANDING THE PARTY, GROWING THE PARTY.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE OCCUPIES.

I THINK SENATE REPUBLICAN PARTY AT LARGE HAS MADE GOOD INROADS WITH MINORITY COMMUNITIES.

THEY MADE INROUTS WITH WOMEN PARTICULARLY IN 2016.

I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS BECAUSE OF TRUMP OR HILARY CLINTON, THEY HAVE TAKEN A HIT SINCE THEN AND WE SAW THAT IN 2020 BUT THE POCKET BOOK SLOOS THAT DOUG MASTRIANO ELABORATEDDED ON IS SOMETHING THAT IS REAL AND SOMETHING THAT WILL BE BEFORE A A LOT OF CANDIDATES COME NOVEMBER.

>> I WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

>> O'Connell: YEAH.

>> I WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

I ACTUALLY DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NOT MADE INROADS IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.

THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED WHO WITHIN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO TARGET.

THAT IS NOT BECAUSE-- COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE NOT A MONO LITHED THERE ARE WEALTHY BLACK AMERICANS WHO VOTE DIFFERENTLY THAN MIDDLE CLASS BLACK AMERICAN, WEALTHY LATINOS WHO ARE DIFFERENT VOTERS FROM PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

SO I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THEY MADE INROADS.

I DON'T THINK EITHER PARTY HAS MADE INROADS.

BUT I THINK THE POINT THAT I'M GETTING FROM YOU, OZZIE IS THAT BECAUSE THERE IS THAT BELIEF THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE, AND THAT IS GOING-- WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE IN THE MID-TERMS, YOU SEE LUCY LET'S RALLY RIGHT NOW FIGHTING FOR HER LIFE.

IN HER DISTRICT AND THAT WAS REDISTRICTED OUT OF.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE ACROSS COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ALL THE TIME.

THERE IS ALWAYS A REDISTRICTING SO EITHER MORE WHITE VOTERS COME IN AND LESS PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO VOTE.

SO YEAH, I AM NOT SURE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.

>> I MEAN MY COMMENT WAS BASED ON ACTUAL-- I THINK I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT POLLING NUMBERS AND ELECTION RESULT DATA, TRUMP DID MAKE INROADS WITH AFRICAN-AMERICANS, HISPANIC AMERICAN, ASIAN AMERICANS.

HE LOST WHITE SUBURBAN WOMEN WHICH IS REALLY WHAT COST HIM IN CERTAIN STATES LIKE IN GEORGIA.

BUT I THINK AGAIN HE ACTUALLY TAKE THE MAJORITY OF BLACK, HISPANIC AND OTHER MINORITY VOTER, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

BUT DID HE MAKE INROADSROADS FROM WHERE MITT ROMNEY WAS OR WHERE HE WAS TBH 16 OR 20RBGS ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK YOU CAN'T DENY PROGRESS WAS MADE WITH RESPECT TO SUPPORT KIND OF COMING TOWARDS THE REPUBLICAN ON POCKET BOOK SLOOS.

IT WASN'T PERSON-- PERSONALITY DRIVEN.

I AGREE THERE IS A LONG WAY TO GO AND I THINK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

WE JUST HAD THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OPEN A MINORITY OUTREACH CENTER IN CONNECTICUT OF ALL PLACES.

THAT IS NOT AN AREA THAT I WOULD HAVE NORMALLY HAVE POINTED OUT ON A MAP THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAD ANY TRI IN.

MY GUESS IS THERE ARE HOUSE RACES AND CERTAINLY A SENATE RACE AND GEUB FLA TOR YAL RACE THAT THEY ARE TARGETING AND UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT THAT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE GOING TO HAVE IN THAT STATE.

>> JUST AS WE WRAP UP QUICKLY, I WANT TO ASK YOU EACH, JACQUETTA START WITH YOU.

DO YOU THINK BY THE END OF JUNE WHEN THE SUPREME COURT HAS RULED ON ROE V. WADE AND WE EXPECT THAT SOME 20 STATES WILL AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER MAKING ABORTIONS IMPOSSIBLE, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP THE DEMOCRATS CHANGE HISTORY AND ACTUALLY KEEP CONTROL OF THE SENATE AND CONGRESS IN THE FALL OR DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO ENERGIZE BOTH SIDES.

>> I THINK IT IS GOING TO ENERGIZE BOTH SIDES.

THIS IS SUCH A POLARIZING ISSUE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LAND ON IT.

THIS WILL ENERGIZE BOTH SIDES.

AND I DON'T THINK THIS FIGHT IS GOING TO BE OVER FOR AWHILE.

I WISH IT WOULD AS A WOMAN.

I'M SO TIRED OF TALKING ABOUT THIS.

BUT I THINK IT WILL ENERGIZE BOTH SIDES.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK, OZZIE?

>> I AGREE.

LOOK, I THINK DEMOCRATS GOING TOO THE MID TERMS ARE LOOKING FOR A RALLYING CALL TO GET THE BASE MOBILIZE TODZ WHERE THEY WERE WHEN JOE BIDEN GOT ELECT THE.

I THINK THIS COULD BE THAT MOMENTS.

BUT TO THE POINT I THINK IT MOBILIZES A CERTAIN SECTION OF THE REPUBLICAN BASE IN DIFFERENT REGIONS.

BUT LOOK, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE SAW EARLY POLLING COME OUT, POST ROE V. WADE LEAK THAT SAID THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT WASN'T THAT CHANGED FROM THERE.

IT MAY CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE FINAL DECISION LOOKS LIKE COME JUNE, JULY BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE POCKET BOOK ISSUES, JPMORGAN CAME OUT SAID THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF PRICE OF GAS, COULD BE $6 COME AUGUST, THAT IS A REAL, REAL HINDRANCE PARTICULARLY IN A REGION LIKE THE NORTHEAST THAT WILL IMPACT EVERYONE.

SO IT WILL COME DOWN TO HOW MOBILIZED EACH FACTION OF EACH BASE GETS WITH RESPECT TO ROE V. WADE BUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE INFLATION AND RECESSION IS GOING TO BE THIS PROBLEM.

>> JACQUETTA.

>> IN IT GETS TO $6 I'M BIKING EVERYWHERE.

I'M GRAD I LIVE IN A WALKABLE CITY.

>> I WILL WATCH THAT, I WILL DEFINITELY WATCH YOUR VIDEO CAST FOR THAT, IF THAT HAPPENS.

JACQUETTA VAN GLARNTLE OZZIE, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT.

CONVERSATION, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

WITH PRIDE MONTH LESS THAN TWO WEEKS AWAY, IT'S ANOTHER BITTERSWEET ONE IN BOSTON.

THE CITY HASN'T SEEN A PRIDE PARADE IN ALMOST THREE YEARS, THANKS TO THE PANDEMIC, AND NOW, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHETHER IT'LL EVER BE COMING BACK.

THAT'S THANKS IN PART TO THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THE PARADE, BOSTON PRIDE, DISSOLVING AFTER MORE THAN 50 YEARS, AMID COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION'S ALL-WHITE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IGNORING ISSUES OF RACE AND TRANSGENDER INCLUSION.

JOINING ME ARE DAVID ZIMMERMAN, PUBLISHER OF "BOSTON SPIRIT" MAGAZINE, AND GRACE MORENO, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MASSACHUSETTS L.G.B.T.

CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU.

DAVID, I WANT TO START WITH YOU, YOU PUBLISHED AN OPEN LETTER TO THE PRIDE COMMITTEE IN THE LATEST ISSUE OF BOSTON SPIRIT PRACTICING.

THAT YOU KNOW BASICALLY SAYS IN PART "THE SELFISHNESS OF YOUR ACT IS UNFATHOMABLE.

FOR NEARLY A YEAR, YOU WORKED WITH AN OUTSIDE FIRM ON A TRANSITION PLAN TO BRING IN A NEW, MORE DIVERSE BOARD.

THEN, WHEN THE TIME CAME TO FINALIZE THAT PLAN, YOU TOOK YOUR BOOKS, YOUR RECORDS, YOUR FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS, AND YOU WENT HOME."

WHAT MOVED YOU TO WRITE ABOUT THIS NOW?

>> THE FACT THAT WE WERE COMING UP TO PRIDE MONTH, REALLY, WAS IMPETUS BEHIND THE TIMING OF IT AND JUST THE FACT THAT I HAVE BEEN SEIZING ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

IN THE MAGAZINE, REVEREND MONROE WHO YOU KNOW AND HAS BEEN ON THE SHOW, WROTE AN ARTICLE FOR US ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

AND WE GOT NO ANSWERS THEN.

AND WE'VE GOTTEN NO ANSWERS SINCE.

AND AS I SAID, I JUST, I THINK IT IS UNFATHOMABLE THAT THESE PEOPLE TOOK THIS PUBLIC TRUST, THIS PUBLIC INSTITUTION THAT THEY DON'T OWN, THEY WERE CARETAKERS AND THEY WERE STEWARTS.

AND THEY DECIDED TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM EVERYBODY WITH NO EXPLANATION, NO REASON, NOTHING.

FOR 50 YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN PRIDE BOARDS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.

MANY OF WHOM IN THE 70S ENDORSED PHYSICAL-- ENDURED PHYSICAL ABUSE, ENDURED EMOTIONAL ABUSE.

JUST WENT THROUGH HORRIBLE TIMES TO GET THIS OFF THE GROUND, THAT BOARD TRANSITIONED TO A NEW BOARD, WHEN THEIR TIME HAD COME TO AN END.

WHO TRANSMISSIONED TO A NEW BOARD.

AND THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR DECADE AFTER DECADE AFTER DECADE.

PEACEFUL TRANSITION.

HERE IS OUR INFORMATION, TAKE IT, GROW IT, RUN WITH IT.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS BOARD FOR SOME REASON THAT THEY REFUSE TO EXPLAIN, DECIDED JUST TO TAKE THEIR BALL AND GO HOME.

>> GRACE, YOU'VE BEEN ADVOCATING WITH THE PRIOR PRIDE COMMITTEE FOR YEARS REGARDING ISSUES OF INCLUSION AND INVOLVEMENT.

AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO RELITIGATE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

BUT YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE GROUND WITH OTHER COMMUNITY LEADERS TRYING TO COME TOGETHER TO LAUNCH A NEW-- A NEW PRIDE COMMITTEE.

I WOULD OFFER, I THINK I WOULD THINK PERSONALLY IT'S HARDER TO BUILD A NEW ONE THAN IT WOULD BE TO WORK ON THE FRAMEWORK AS DAVID IS POINTING OUT OF A BOARD THAT HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN THROUGH GENERATIONS AT LEAST.

WHAT HAS BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE OVER THE PAST YEAR AND HOW CLOSE ARE WE, DO YOU THINK, TO HAVING A NEW PRIDE COMMITTEE?

>> WELL, THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH WHAT DAVID IS SAYING.

BASICALLY THIS GROUP TOOK SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T BELONG TO JUST FIVE OR SIX INDIVIDUALS T BELONGS TO ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY AND TOOK THEIR TOYS HOME.

AND THAT INCLUDES A-- OF LISTS OF 20,000 PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE CAN'T REACH OUT TO, INCLUDES MANY, MANY ASSETS THAT WE DON'T HAVE.

THE COMMUNITY HAS COME TOGETHER AND THEY ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ALL VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE NOT REDOING WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE LAST FIECH.

WE WANT TO BE INCLUSIVE.

AND THAT INCLUDES THOSE OF US THAT SIT IN ORGANIZATIONS OF POWER TO WIELD SOME OF THAT POWER TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AS WE DO.

AT THE CHAMBER WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION, A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, I SAT THROUGH VACATION DAYS THAT HAVE I BEEN ON MEETINGS WITH FOLKS, TRYING TO GET ALL THE VOICES TO THE TABLE.

YOU KNOW, YOU START OFF BY SAYING WE MIGHT NEVER HAVE ANOTHER PRIDE.

WHAT I SEE IS THE PASSION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT PRIDE WILL BE BACK AND PRIDE WILL COME TOGETHER BECAUSE OUR FAMILY, THE PRIDE, THE LGBTQ FAMILY IS NOT GOING TO BE STOPPED BY JUST A GROUP OF A FEW PEOPLE.

IT WILL JUST BE REALLY HARD TO REGROW SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS, RIGHT?

AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR IS WE'RE SUPPORTING A GROUP OF T AT THE CHAMBER SUPPORTING A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING A POP UP PRIDE ON JUNE 129 SUNDAY AT THE BOSTON COMMON COMMONS AND WHAT THE POPUP PRIDE IS DOING IS A LOT OF THE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, REGULAR PEOPLE ARE CALLING US SAYING HEY, WHAT CAN I DO?

CAN I, YOU KNOW, CAN I VOLUNTEER, CAN I GIVE YOU $20, CAN I GIVE YOU $40 TO GET THIS GOING.

THE MAYOR HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED AND HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE IN FINDING A SPATIAL N GETTING US THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IT.

SO IT IS GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING, WE'RE GOING TO COME TOGETHER ON JUNE 12th AT THE BOSTON COMMON.

ST NOT GOING TO BE AS WONDERFUL AND BEAUTIFUL AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

BUT WHAT WE ARE HOPEFUL FOR IS IT WILL GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME HEALINGS TO COME TOGETHER AND TO START ANEW.

WE STILL HAVE HOPE BECAUSE THE ASSETS HAVE NOT BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE FROM THE OLD PRIDE COMMITTEE SO WE STILL HAVE HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE SOME JUSTICE THERE AND THAT THEY WILL AT LEAST TURN OVER THE LISTS THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN BEING ABLE TO REACH PEOPLE.

>> DAVID, HAS ANYBODY FROM THE PRIDE COMMITTEE RESPONDED TO YOU REGARDING YOUR LETTER?

>> THEY HAVE NOT.

AND YOU KNOW, IN ANOTHER PART OF THAT LETTER WHAT I DID IS OFFERED THEM OPEN SPACE IN THE MAGAZINE, UNEDITED.

WE WOULD NOT TOUCH THEIR WORDS, THEY COULD RUN A LETTER IN THE MAGAZINE EXPLAINING WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID TELL US WHY.

AND I DO THINK THAT THE LACK OF DIVERSITY ISSUE ON THE BOARD WAS AN ABSOLUTE PROBLEM, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, AND IT WAS AN ISSUE.

I DO NOT THINK, HOWEVER, THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHY THE BOARD SHUT DOWN AND TOOK EVERYTHING AND WENT HOME.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED THEN.

WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING.

>> ONE PERSON'S OPINION BUT THE ONLY REASON I CAN THINK IS THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO SEE WHAT WAS IN THEIR BOOK.

>> O'Connell: WHERE ARE THEY IN TERMS OF, AND GRACE, YOU KNOW THIS ANSWER.

THEY ARE LOCALLY-- LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO DISPERSE THAT MONEY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM READING THE LAW.

TO TWO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LIKE MINDED TO THEM S THERE A TIME FRAME ON WHEN THAT HAS TO HAPPEN?

>> YEAH, WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHARITIES DEPARTMENT AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

AND I HAVE ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS TO VALID FIE OR SIGN OFF ON THE CHARITY CLOSING.

AND ONE OF THOSE STIPLATIONS IS IT IS NO LONGER NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS NOT THE CASE HERE WITH PRIDE.

NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED PRIDE TO EXIST SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BRAINING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER AROUND THE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND FROM AN ADVOCACY PERFECT-- PERSPECTIVE.

THE OTHER PIECES THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, AN ENTIRE REVIEW WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO BE ABLE TO BE ALLOWED TO CLOSE DOWN.

MY CONVERSATION WITH THE CHARITIES DEPARTMENT OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WAS WELL, IT'S CLEARLY STILL A NEED AND THERE IS CLEARLY STILL OTHER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEAD.

I MYSELF WILL PUT MYSELF INTO THE LAST THING I INTERVIEW IS ON A BOARD OF PRIDE BUT I WILL DO IT FOR A YEAR TO TRANSITIONING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

AND THERE ARE OTHER LEADERS LIKE DAVID AND OTHERS WHO WOULD STEP UP AND SCERVE TO MAKE IT GET TO THE NEXT PLACE.

AND THEN HAND IT OVER TO AN EQUITABLE BOARD THAT COULD BE SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.

BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN.

I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE BY THIS TIME THEY'VE GIVE ANSWER WAY ALL THE BULL HORNS AND THE TABLES AND ALL THE VARIOUS PLACES.

BUT THERE IS STILL ASSETS THERE AND APPARENTLY THE MONEY DWINLDED AWAY, APPARENTLY THE MONEY YOU KNOW, I THINK DAVID HAS A POINT THERE.

YOU KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT US TO SEE.

AND WHAT EVER THAT IS, IS HURTING THE COMMUNITY.

>> O'Connell: I WOULD REITERATE WHAT DAVID SAID, CERTAINLY FOLKS FROM THE BOSTON PRIDE COMMUNITY ARE WELCOME TO TALK TO ME, TO EITHER ONE OF YOU, TO BAY WINDOWS TO BOSTON SPIRIT MAGAZINE, TO READ ABOUT IN.

AND AS BUSINESS PEOPLE, YOU ARE THE PUBLISHER OF BOSTON SPIRIT MAGAZINE, I'M THE COBUB LISHER OF BAY WINDOW -- WINDOWS, GRACE, YOU ARE WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

THERE HAS BEEN CHALLENGE-- CHALLENGERRERS, THERE HAVE BEEN CHALLENGERS REGARDING THE CORPORATE ASPECT AND THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF PRIDE.

NOT JUST HERE IN BOSTON BUT AROUND THE AREA.

AND I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PRIDES HAPPENING IN MASSACHUSETTS THAT JUST AREN'T BOSTON IN WHICH YOU CAN SEE BOSTON SPIRIT MAGAZINE HAS HAS A LISTINGS AND WE ARE AS WELL.

ARE WE AT AN POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP OF THESE PRIDE EVENTS AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS ASPECT OF WHAT PRIDE ORIGINALLY MEANT?

>> THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.

BOSTON SPIRIT, BAY WINDOWS HAS BEEN AROUND LONGER, SO SUE, YOU ACTUALLY EVEN HAVE MORE OF A HISTORY AT LEAST IN THIS PART THAN I DO.

WE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 17 YEARS.

WITHOUT QUESTION THE BIGGEST CHANGE THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THAT 17 YEARS IS CORPORATE INVOLVEMENT IF DIVERSITY, INCLUSION AND EQUITY IT HAS BECOME A BIG BUDGET ITEM IN EVERY MAJOR COMPANY.

AND COMPANIES HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEE RESOURCE GROUPS DEDICATED TO DIFFERENT NICHES OF EMPLOYEES.

THEY HAVE THEIR LGBT GROUP, ASIAN AMERICAN, WOMEN GROUP, VETERANS, SO FORTH AND SO ON.

ALL OF THESE GROUPS GET BUDGETS AND VISIBILITY.

CORPORATIONS ARE TRYING, AT LEAST FROM THE VISIBILITY PART TO DO THE RIGHT THING WITH REGARD TO DNI.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE PRIDE STARTED, IN THE ACTIVISM BEHIND IF, AND THE SOCIAL AND COMMUNITY PART OF IT, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRIDE PARADE WAS FOR YEARS AGO, THE PRIDE PARADE TOOK ABOUT FOUR HOURS.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU WERE BROADCASTING IT.

AND IT WAS ONE COMPANY AFTER ANOTHER COMPANY AFTER ANOTHER COMPANY, OF JUST-- WHICH IS WONDERFUL BUT AS YOU SAID, THERE IS A TIPPING POINT IN A LOT OF PEOPLE-- A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AND SEEING IT AS MUCH MORE OF A CORPORATE ENTITY THAN A SOCIAL AND ACTIVISM ENTITY.

AND YES, THAT IS AN ISSUE AND IT IS A VOA, VERY DIFFICULT ONE TO BALANCE.

BECAUSE I DO THINK EVERYBODY IS TRYING IN PART TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

>> GRACE, AS WE WRAP UP HERE, I WANT TO GIVE THE LAST WORD.

IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING INVOLVED OR THEY WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION OR THEY WANT TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE PRIOR PRIDE COMMITTEE, WHAT CAN THEY DO?

>> I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THERE IS THE CORPORATE PIECE AND I THINK THAT THIS NEW PRIDE WANTS TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY BUT THERE IS ALSO SOME RECKONING THAT WE HAVE HAD TO COME TO WITH THE CORPORATE SECONDER.

WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN TO BE INCLUSIVE.

YOU CAN'T JUST SLACH YOUR NAME ON THE FRONT OF THIS EVENT AND SAY ARE YOU INCLUSIVE AND NOT HIRE LGBTQ OR SUPPORT TRANSPEOPLE IN THE WORK OR DONATE TO OUR CAUSE OR EVEN FIGHT AGAINST US WHEN IN IS LEGISLATION IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR LOCALLY.

IF YOU REALLY ARE A SUPPORTER, YOU REALLY NEED TO BE A SUPPORTER AND IN OUR CHAMBER WE MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WHO IS A CORPORATE PARTNER SIGNS ON TO BEING SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND BRING EQUITY TO THE LGBTQ.

THE OTHER IS WE NEED PEOPLE TO SHOIP ON JUNE 129D.

PEOPLE NEED TO COME OUT AND BRING THEIR PICNIC BASKET, BLANKETS, AND BE A PART OF BEING-- BE A PART OF THE CHANGE THAT WE WANT TO SEEVMENT AND I THINK THAT THERE SAY POPUP PRIDE HAS A WEBSITE.

COME TO OUR CHAMBER AND WE WILL HAVE IT, OUR MASSACHUSETTS LGBT CHAMBER WEBSITE AND WE'LL HAVE IT THERE, I DON'T HAVE IT NOW TO GIVE TO YOU BUT WE HAVE ONE.

AND DO FLAIT TO BUCKS BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO FUND THIS OURSELVES, WE'RE NOT GOING FOR CORPORATE MONEY THIS YEAR.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH FOUNDATIONS, INDIVIDUALS AND THE REST OF THE LGBTQ NONPROFITS ARE PETITION PITCHING IN TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

>> I THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR INVOLVEMENT, DAVID GLIRMMAN, GRACE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT BUT COME BACK TOMORROW, FOR TALKING POLITICS.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

GOOD NIGHT.

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