[♪♪♪] >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "CHICAGO TONIGHT."

POLICING A "CHICAGO TONIGHT" SPECIAL I'M BRANDIS FRIEDMAN.

>> I'M PARIS SCHUTZ ON THIS FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH WE SPEND THE NEXT HOUR LOOKING AT POLICING IN CHICAGO AND ACROSS THE REGION.

>> I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING THIS TO VOTE.

AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUES ARE READY FOR A VOTE ON IT.

>> THE CHICAGO CITY COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON TWO PLANS FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEXT MONTH.

WE DIG INTO THE DETAILS.

>> WE CAN NOW REIMAGINE WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY LOOKS LIKE.

>> GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH SPARKED A MOVEMENT TO DEFUND THE POLICE.

WE HEAR FROM ABOLITIONISTS AND THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE.

>> IT'S TAKEN OUR CITY A GENERATION TO GET HERE.

>> THE HISTORIC CHICAGO POLICE CONSENT DECREE IS FAR FROM THE FIRST EFFORT TO REFORM THE DEPARTMENT.

WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE THINGS STAND.

>> THEY ARE TIRED AND THEY DON'T FEEL SEEN AND HEARD.

>> OFFICERS DEAL WITH TRAUMA ON A DAILY BASIS.

HOW THE PAST YEAR HAS IMPACTED THEIR MENTAL HEALTH.

>> BUT FIRST, SOME OF TODAY'S TOP STORIES.

THE FAMILY OF GEORGE FLOYD MET WITH PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY.

A YEAR TO THE DAY AFTER FLOYD WAS KILLED BY A FORMER MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER.

>> TODAY IS ABOUT THE REMEMBRANCE OF OUR BROTHER GEORGE FLOYD, FATHER, UNCLE, FRIEND, COUSIN, AND Mr. PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT GAVE US THEIR CONDOLENCES AND KEEP IN TOUCHING BACK ON WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR.

>> FLOYD'S BROTHERS TOLD REPORTERS THEY ARE GREATFUL FOR THE CONCERN OF THE PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS WHO WAS AT THE MEETING.

THE GROUP DISCUSSED THE GEORGE FLOYD JUSTICE IN POLICING ACT WHICH BIDEN AND HARRIS ARE URGING THE SENATE TO PASS AND SEND TO THE PRESIDENT'S DESK.

>> IF YOU CAN MAKE FEDERAL LAWS TO PROTECT THE BIRD, THE BALD EAGLE YOU CAN MAKE FEDERAL LAWS TO PROTECT PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> BLACK CHICAGOANS CONTINUE TO HAVE THE HIGHEST RATES OF COVID-19 AND THE LOWEST VACCINATION RATES ACCORDING TO DATA FROM THE CHICAGO PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

HEALTH OFFICIALS SAY IF USING THIS HOLIDAY WEEKEND TO PUSH VACCINATION OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH EVENTS AROUND THE CITY AND ESPECIALLY IN COMMUNITIES WHERE VACCINE UPTAKE HAS BEEN LOW.

>> WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT AT SOME OF THESE EVENTS AND TALK TO THE FOLKS MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONVENIENCE STILL THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LOT ABOUT I WAS SCARED TO GET THE VACCINE OR I WAS AGAINST IT.

IT'S MORE LIKE I HAD TO WORK AND I COULDN'T GET IT I WASN'T SURE WHERE TO GET IT.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT OR NEED INSURANCE.

>> CDPH SAYS THE EVENTS ARE POP-UPS THE CHURCHES AND FOOD PANTRIES AND SCHOOLS AND DOOR-TO-DOOR CANVASING WITH NEWLY TRAINED VACCINE AMBASSADORS.

AND JUST OVER 800 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH THE CORONAVIRUS SINCE YESTERDAY.

AND AN ADDITIONAL 17 PEOPLE HAVE DIED.

MORE THAN 1.377 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE TESTED POSITIVE IN ILLINOIS SINCE THE PANDEMIC BEGAN.

AND 22,650 PEOPLE HAVE DIED.

JUST OVER 40% OF THE STATE'S POPULATION HAS NOW BEEN FULLY VACCINATED.

AND NOW TO KICKOFF OUR "CHICAGO TONIGHT" SPECIAL ON POLICING HERE IS PARIS WITH DETAILS ABOUT POLICE OVERSIGHT PLANS BUTTING HEADS IN CITY COUNCIL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> COMPETING PLANS FOR POLICE OVERSIGHT ARE COMING TO A HEAD IN CHICAGO.

YESTERDAY AT LONG-LAST MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT INTRODUCED HER PLAN FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

ACTIVISTS SAY IT IS A WATERED DOWN VERSION OF THEIR PLAN AND THAT IS CALLED EMPOWERING COMMUNITIES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR ECPS AND THAT PLAN WILL ALSO GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL NEXT MONTH.

AND JOINING US ARE TARER ABOUZEID, STAFF ATTORNEY FOR CARE CHICAGO AND LEGAL COUNSEL TO ACEH ALLIANCE AGAINST RACISM.

>> AND DESMON YANCY, SPOKELESS PERSON NOT THE GRASSROOTS ALLIANCE FOR POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY OR GAPA.

WE INVITED MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT AND DAVID BROWN THEY DECLINED BUT WE WILL HEAR FROM CHRIS TALIAFERRO.

WE DO THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE, GENTLEMEN AND AT THE TOP RUNDOWN WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE.

FIRST WITH MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT'S PLAN IT CREATES AN ELECTED BOARD THOUGHT COULD REVIEW BUT NOT VETO C.P.D.

POLICY AND RECOMMEND APPLICANTS BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON HIRING AND FIRING AND WOULD RECOMMEND A BUDGET PROPOSAL.

THE EMPOWERING COMMUNITIES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY PLAN WOULD GIVE THE BOARD FINAL SAY ON POLICY DISTRIBUTES BETWEEN C.P.D.

AND ADMINISTRATIONS AND CREATE A BINDING REFERENDUM IN 2022 THAT IF APPROVED BY CHICAGOANS WOULD GIVE AN ELECTED BOARD THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE THE POLICE SUPERINTENDENT.

SO TARER ABOUZEID, YOU'VE CALLED THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL WATERED DOWN VERSION OF YOUR PROPOSAL.

WHERE DO YOU BELIEVE THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL FALLS SHORT?

>> IT FALLS SHORT IN MANY PLACES.

I THINK WHAT SHE HAS ESSENTIALLY DONE IS COPY AND PASTE SOME PORTIONS OF OUR PROPOSAL AND THEN GO ON TO REMOVE ANY REAL AUTHORITY OR POWER AND CALL IT HER OWN.

I'M NOT SURE WHY IT TOOK SEVEN MONTHS.

I WANT TO CORRECT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID HER PROPOSAL DOES NOT CREATE THIS ELECTED BOARD.

THE ELECTED BOARD IS NOMINATED BY DISTRICT COUNCIL EXCEPT SHE DOES NOT CREATE A FORMAT TO HAVE THESE DISTRICT COUNCIL ELECTIONS.

THE BOARD WILL END UP BEING SELECTED BY HER AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE UNTIL SOME KIND OF ELECTION IS DECIDED ON IN THE FUTURE.

SHE DOES NOT SETUP AN ELECTION.

SHE ALSO TAKES AWAY ANY POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE FOR CAUSE THE C.O.P.A.

CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR.

AND SHE TAKES AWAY THE POWER TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE ON POLICY.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN NAMED AS ESSENTIAL BY MOST RESEARCHERS INTO POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY WITHOUT POWER OVER POLICY THE COMMISSION DOES THAT.

>> WITH HER PROPOSAL THERE IS A ROUNDABOUT WAY SAYING SHE WOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY OVER THIS BOARD.

AND THEN HAVE IT BE FULLY ELECTED AT SOME FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED.

DESMON YANCY, YOUR PROPOSAL THAT YOU'VE JOINTLY AGREED ON IT WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO ENACT POLICY OR COME UP WITH POLICY FOR C.P.D.

FOR INSTANCE, SAY THE C.P.D.

HAD TO ENACT A FOOT PURSUIT POLICY.

HOW WOULD THIS PROCESS WORK?

>> THE PROCESS WOULD WORK WHERE WITH THE COMMISSION HAVING IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR THE POLICY, THE COMMISSION WOULD BE STAFFED WITH EXPERTS WITH PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THIS SORT OF WORK.

THEY COME UP WITH A POLICY WORK WITH THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE A POLICY THAT IS SAFE FOR ALL PEOPLE INVOLVED AND GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT ULTIMATELY, UNLESS THE COMMISSION AGREES THIS IS THE POLICY THE CITY DESERVES IS GETS PASSED.

WHAT TARER ABOUZEID SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL DOES, IT ISN'T CLEAR OF THE INTENTION TO CREATE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THROUGH THE ELECTIONS.

TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE PASSED WHERE SHE PICKS FIVE OF THE SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AND THEN THE COMMISSION DECIDES ON THE PROCESS FOR THE DISTRICT COUNCIL ELECTIONS, THE DISINDUSTRIES COUNCIL ELECTIONS CANNOT TAKE PLACE WITHOUT ACTION IN SPRINGFIELD.

SO THE WEIGHT ON SPRINGFIELD TO PASS LEGISLATION IT SEEMS DISINJINIOUS TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE A PASSING OF THE BALL.

TARER ABOUZEID IS THERE A FAIR CRITICISM THAT THE FINAL SEVENMEMBERS IS MADE UP OF FOLKS WITHOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUNDS AND WALKING IN THE SHOES OF A POLICE OFFICER WHEN COMING UP WITH POLICY THAT IMPACTS PUBLIC SAFETY AND POLICING?

>> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A FAIR CRITICISM.

I THINK THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE MADE UP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

WHEN YOU WANT SOMEONE TO OVERSEE WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES YOU ARE NOT HIRING THOSE SAME PEOPLE TO POLICE THEMSELVES.

WHAT WE WANT IS ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND WHO SHOULD YOU BE ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU?

YOU SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY.

AND SO THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT POLICING LAW ENFORCEMENT, WELL, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE TRIED THAT FOR DECADES AND WE KNOW IT DOES NOT WORK.

>> AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE POLICE BOARD IS NOT MADE UP WITH FOLKS THAT HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUNDS OVER THE YEARS SOME HAVE.

BUT MOST OF THEM AS I SEE IT HAVE NOT.

LET'S HEAR FROM ALDERMAN CHRIS TALIAFERRO, THE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE ON THAT NOTION OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU DO NEED SOMEONE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THE SUPERINTENDENT.

AND THE ACTIONS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT WILL ALWAYS REST SOLELY WITH THE MAYOR AS THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE CITY.

AND SO GIVEN THAT RESPONSIBILITY, GIVEN THOSE OBLIGATIONS, TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT SHE BE ABLE TO SELECT THE CANDIDATE FROM THE LIST PROVIDED TO HER.

>> ALL RIGHT.

ALDERMAN IS MAKING THE ARGUMENT FOR THE MAYOR RETAINING THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE THE POLICE SUPERINTENDENT WHAT ABOUT THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE MAYOR AND THE MAYOR THEN WEARS THE HAT.

IF THINGS ARE NOT GOING WELL WITH VIOLENCE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT?

>> WELL, I MEAN IT IS A SYSTEM THAT HAS NOT WORKED YET.

THE MAYOR'S BEEN ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITY OF CHICAGO AND THE POLICE CHIEF HAS BEEN ACCOUNTABLE TO HER, AND PREVIOUS MAYORS AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE DECADES LONG ISSUES WITH THE WAYS OUR COMMUNITIES ARE POLICED AND IT'S IMPORTANT WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE SAY SO HOW WE'RE POLICED AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE MAYOR BEFORE SHE WAS MAYOR AND HEAD OF THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY TASK FORCE WHERE IN HER DOCUMENT SHE TALKED ABOUT THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BODY.

AND THAT BODY SHOULD BE CREATED WITH THE COMMUNITY INPUT.

>> THIS WAS THE TASK FORCE SHE CHAIRED THAT THE FORMER MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL PUT HER IN CHARGE OF.

GO AHEAD.

>> AND THE COMMUNITY SHOULD DECIDE THOSE POWERS.

THE ORDINANCE SHE PUT FORTH DOES NOT HAVE THE COMMUNITY VOICE IN IT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED BY THE COMMUNITY IF SHE HAD SHE WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IN ORDER FOR THE TRANSFORMATION TO HAPPEN THAT WE NEED THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF CHICAGO USE THEIR VOICE AND HER ORDINANCE DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THAT.

>> TARER ABOUZEID YOU WOULD PUT A REFERENDUM TO VOTERS TO JUST MAKE THEM WEIGH-IN ON THIS QUESTION A BINDING REFERENDUM SHOULD THE COMMISSION HAVE THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE THE SUPERINTENDENT.

WHY DO THAT INSTEAD OF BAKE IT INTO YOUR PROPOSAL?

>> BECAUSE DEMOCRACY.

WE'VE HEARD FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE AND THERE IS A GENUINE GOOD FAITH SPLIT ON WHETHER PEOPLE WANT THE COMMISSION TO PICK THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE MAYOR.

NOW, WE WANT THE PEOPLE OF CHICAGO TO DECIDE AND THAT IS HOW IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE ANY POWER THE MAYOR HAS ANY POWER THE COMMISSION HAS COMES FROM THE PEOPLE.

WHAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE MAYOR KEEPS SAYING SHE WEARS THE JACKET BUT THE TRUTH IS IF THE VOTERS OF CHICAGO DECIDE THAT SHE SHOULD NOT BE HIRING THE SUPERINTENDENT, THEN THE PEOPLE OF CHICAGO WILL NOT PUNISH HER FOR WHAT THE SUPERINTENDENT DOES.

THE PEOPLE OF CHICAGO ARE NOT STUPID.

THEY WILL NOT TAKE AWAY HER ABILITY TO HIRE AND FIRE A SUPERINTENDENT AND THEN BLAME HER FOR WHAT THAT SUPERINTENDENT DOES.

>> LEAVE THAT ASPECT UP TO THE VOTERS.

LET'S BE CLEAR, THIS OVERSIGHT PANEL WOULD OVERSEE THE POLICE BOARD AND ALSO OVERSEE C.O.P.A., THE CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, 22 DISTRICTS HERE IN THIS BOARD.

YOU WOULD HAVE THREE PEOPLE ELECTED IN EACH DISTRICT THAT IS 66 PEOPLE TO PICK THE FINAL SEVEN PEOPLE.

ARE YOU WORRIED HERE ABOUT LAYERS AND LAYERS OF BUREAUCRACY?

DESMON YANCY THAT IS FOR YOU?

>> SURE, I DON'T THINK SO.

DEMOCRACY CAN BE MESSY SOMETIMES BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT EXIST IN REFORMING THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THE REASON WE WANT TO REFORM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY AND COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T FEEL SAFE WHEN THE POLICE COME TO THEIR DOOR ARE NOT GOING TO TALK TO POLICE WHEN THEY ARE VICTIMS OF CRIME.

HAVING THE COMMUNITY VOICE AND HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WITHIN THE DISTRICT TO ENGAGE OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INITIALLY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW THE COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE POLICED WHAT ISSUES THEY HAVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY TO BE ADDRESSED AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS WHERE THE TRUST NEEDS TO COME FROM.

FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS AND BEYOND, THAT TRUST HASN'T COME FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY.

MANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES FELT MORE TERRORIZED AND OCCUPIED BY THE POLICE THAN SERVED AND PROTECTED BY IT.

>> AS WE MENTIONED THIS IS GOING TO COME TO A HEAD NEXT MONTH AS THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN, CHRIS TALIAFERRO, SAID THAT THESE BILLS WILL HAVE A HEARING.

WE'LL SEE WHERE THIS LANDS.

THANKS TO TARER ABOUZEID AND DESMON YANCY.

>> AND CHICAGO HAS BEEN GRAPPLING WITH POLICING ISSUES BEFORE GEORGE FLOYD'S MURDER BUT HIS KILLING KEPT THE ISSUE IN THE FOREFRONT TO THE POINT OF SPURRING CALLS TO COMPLETELY APOLISH THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AMANDA VINICKY JOINS US FROM SPRINGFIELD WHERE SHE IS COVERING THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION THIS WEEK AND HAS MORE.

AMANDA?

>> YES, PARIS IT IS TRUE THAT CHICAGO HAD BEEN TRYING TO CONFRONT ISSUES SURROUNDING POLICING FOR QUITE SOMETIME.

AS WAS THE CASE ACROSS THE COUNTRY GEORGE FLOYD'S KILLING SPURRED A SUMMER OF UPRISING THAT FOOT ACT OF FLOYD DYING AS BYSTANDERS BEGGED FOR MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER DEREK CHAUVIN TO LIFT HIS KNEE SPURRED OUTRAGE AND CALLS FOR CHANGE.

IT WAS DURING THAT TIME THAT A COALITION OF ABOLITIONISTS CAME TOGETHER AND FORMED THE DEFUND C.P.D.

CAMPAIGN.

ALYCIA KAMIL IS A 20-YEAR-OLD ORGANIZER WITH THE GROUP AND LOOKING BACK ON THE PART YEAR IT'S BITTERSWEET.

>> I'M GLAD PEOPLE ARE NOTICING AND RECOGNIZING THIS IS WRONG BUT ALSO I THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF BLACK PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED BEFORE THIS YEAR THAT WE NEEDEDDED SAME UPRISING, TOO.

>> BITTER IT'S TAKEN THIS LONG AND SOMETHING LIKE FLOYD'S DEATH TO BRING ATTENTION TO WHAT SHE SAYS ARE SYSTEMIC FLAWS IN POLICING AND PRISONS BUT SHE APPRECIATES THAT FOLKS ARE ASKING QUESTIONS AND THEY ARE JOINING THE MOVEMENT INCLUDING WORKSHOPS LIKE ONE THAT DEFUNDS C.P.D.

CAMPAIGN IS PUTTING ON TOMORROW.

THE INITIAL ACT OF THE CAMPAIGN THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE AWAY $1.2 BILLION FROM THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET AND REALLOCATE IT TOWARD REOPENING CLOSED SCHOOLS AND MENTAL HEALTH CLINICS.

ALYCIA KAMIL SAYS ONCE BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES GET THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS POLICE HAVE PEOPLE CAN TOSS OUT FALSE NOTIONS OF POLICING AND REIMAGINE WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY CAN LOOK LIKE.

>> KIND OF ABOUT WHEN WE TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING US AND PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT AND SERVE AND PUT IT INTO COMMUNITY AND ENTRUST IT INTO OUR ELDERS, PEOPLE RESPECTED IN THE COMMUNITY TO RESOLVE ISSUES ABOUT REINVESTING INTO BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.

>> 33rd WARD ALDER WOMAN, ROSSANA RODRIGUEZ-SANCHEZ RAN ON THE PREMISE THAT APOLICE WERE GETTING TOO MUCH FUNDING AND COMMUNITIES WERE NOT GETTING THE RESOURCES THEY NEED.

IT IS A NOTION SHE SAYS USED TO BE POLITICALLY RISKY.

THE ANSWER TO SOLVING ANY ISSUE HAD BEEN GIVE POLICE MORE MONEY.

>> BUT WHAT I'M SEE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE MOVING IN A DIRECTION TO MOVE AWAY FROM PUNISHMENT AND INCARCERATION AND DEATH AND MOVE INTO A A DIRECTION THAT MAKES PEOPLE WHOLE.

>> NOW, PRESIDENT OF CHICAGO'S FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE UNION SAYS DEFUNDING THE POLICE DIVERTING MONEY FROM OFFICERS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

HE SAYS THAT WILL MAKE COMMUNITIES LESS PROTECTED.

HE SAYS POLICE OFFICERS SPENT MANY LONG HOURS IN CHICAGO MOST VIOLENT NEIGHBORHOODS WORKING TO KEEP THOSE RESIDENTS SAFE.

>> THAT WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.

THESE NEIGHBORHOODS NEED MORE POLICE.

AND THE PROBLEM ISN'T NECESSARILY THE POLICE.

IT'S THE PROSECUTION ASPECT OF NOT KEEPING OFFENDERS IN JAIL.

>> NOW, JOHN CATANZARA SAYS THAT A LOT HAS CHANGED IN THE PAST YEAR SINCE FLOYD WAS KILLED.

>> SAD REALITY OF THAT WHOLE SITUATION IS THAT IT WAS LABELED AS IF IT WAS A PANDEMIC OR EPIDEMIC ITSELF AND A NATIONWIDE ISSUE THAT WAS GOING ON EVERYWHERE WITH EVERY OFFICER THAT EVER WEARS A BADGE AND IT WAS A FALSE NARRATIVE FROM THE GET GO.

IT WAS A ONE OFF LIKE MANY OF THESE SITUATIONS.

>> NOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, JOHN CATANZARA SAYS THAT OFFICER CHAUVIN DID INAPPROPRIATELY USE EXCESSIVE FORCE.

>> BUT THIS WAS NOT SOME PERFECT ROLE MODEL OF AN EPIDEMIC OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ABUSE OR EXCESSIVE FORCE NATIONWIDE.

IT WAS A RIDICULOUS NARRATIVE UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF RACE-BAITING SQUEAKY WHEELS USED THAT TO FURTHER THEIR OWN NARRATIVE AND MAKE LAW ENFORCEMENT MORE VILIFIED THAN EVER BEFORE.

>> JOHN CATANZARA SAYS HE DOES AGREE THAT MORE MONEY SHOULD BE GOING TO CHICAGO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE LONG BEEN SUBJECT TO DISINVESTMENT.

BUT HE SAYS THAT SHOULD COME FROM ELSEWHERE NOT C.P.D.

'S BUDGET.

BUT ROSSANA RODRIGUEZ-SANCHEZ SAYS THAT THE C.P.D.

BUDGET IS THE PERFECT PLACE TO HELP TO FUND THE TREATMENT NOT TRAUMA INITIATIVE THAT SHE INTRODUCED A PILOT PROGRAM THAT IS IN THE WORKS AND WILL HAVE PARAMEDICS, CLINICIANS, SOCIAL WORKERS AND SOMETIMES WITH POLICE AND OTHER TIMES WITHOUT C.P.D.

OFFICERS RESPONDING TO MENTAL HEALTH CALLS.

>> IN TERMS OF GETTING THIS MONEY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHICH IF YOU START THINK BEING THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD BE A MODEL THAT WOULD TAKE WORK OFF THE PLATE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YOU WOULD THINK THIS IS MONEY THAT WE CAN INVEST BUT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.

>> ALDERWOMAN SAYS WHAT CHICAGO IS DOING NOW RELYING ON POLICE TO END VIOLENCE IS NOT WORKING.

>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEFUND THE POLICE THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO DO THAT.

I THINK THAT THE PART THAT WE ARE MISSING IN THE CONVERSATION IS WE NEED TO CREATE THE SYSTEM OF CARE THAT ARE NOT IN PLACE RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PREVENT VIOLENCE AND IN ORDER TO ADDRESS WHEN INTERPERSONAL VIOLENCE AND INTERCOMMUNITY VIOLENCE HAPPENS.

>> SHE SAYS SHE DOES BELIEVE IN HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AND ALSO BELIEVES IN RESTORATION.

I AM, OF COURSE, IN THE ILLINOIS STATE CAPITOL IN THE HOUSE CHAMBERS AND POLICE ARE HAVING TO FIGHT OFF ATTEMPTS TO END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY FOR OFFICERS.

IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE THE TRACTION TO PASS.

BUT IT STILL IS VERY MUCH PART OF THE CONVERSATION PARTICULARLY AS THIS MAJOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL PASSED EARLIER IS SET TO TAKE EFFECT THIS SUMMER.

>> BACK TO YOU.

LOTS OF PIECES OF THIS DEBATE.

THANK YOU.

UP NEXT, THE COMPLICATED HISTORY OF CHICAGO POLICE REFORM EXPLAINED.

PLEASE STAY WITH US.

THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN OPERATING UNDER A CONSENT DECREE MANDATING REFORMS.

THE ORDER WHICH WAS PROMPTED BY THE 2014 POLICE MURDER OF TEENAGER LAQUAN McDONALD IS THE FIRST-EVER CONSENT DECREE THAT DEPARTMENT HAS FACED.

BUT AS "CHICAGO TONIGHT'S" NICK BLUMBERG REPORTS, IT IS FAR FROM THE FIRST ATTEMPT AT POLICE REFORM.

>> IN 1919 CHICAGO ERUPTED INTO RACE RIOTS AFTER THE KILLING OF A BLACK TEEN WHO CROSSED AT COLOR LINE AT A SOUTH SIDE BEACH.

GANGS TERRORIZED AND KILLED BLACK RESIDENTS.

SOME POLICE SUPPORTED THE GANGS AND THE DEPARTMENT DID LITTLE TO PROTECT AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

>> 90% OF THE RIOTERS IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS WERE ARRESTED WERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

WHICH PROMPTED A LOUD AND ANGRY OUTCRY FROM THE BLACK MINISTERS ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHO CALLED UPON MAYOR THOMPSON TO DO SOMETHING TO RESTORE ORDER.

>> THE STATE MILITIA HAD TO BE BROUGHT IN.

THE GOVERNOR CREATED A COMMISSION ON RACE RELATIONS WHICH FOUND RAMPANT RACISM IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE CAME.

IN THE 1960s, POLICE WORKING IN THE SUMMERDALE DISTRICT WERE REVEALED TO BE BURGLARS.

THE SCANDAL LAID BARE CORRUPTION IN THE DEPARTMENT.

RICHARD DALEY GOT RID OF THE OLD COMMANDERS WHICH PEOPLE AROUND FIRED SOME OF THE OLD POLITICAL CIVILIAN ADVISERS AND INSTITUTED A NEW COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM.

>> WHAT HE DID HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CORRUPTION BUT IMAGE HE WAS SUCCESSFUL IN THAT.

BUT NOT ONE OUNCE OF EFFORT WAS EXPENDED TO CLEAN UP CORRUPTION.

>> IN 1967, AFTER RIOTS ROCKED CHICAGO AND OTHER CITIES, PRESIDENT LYNDON JOHNSON CALLED ON THE ILLINOIS GOVERNOR TO LEAD A COMMISSION AIMED AT FINDING OUT WHY AND HOW TO PREVENT FUTURE UNREST.

THE COMMISSION'S LAST SURVIVING MEMBER TOLD "CHICAGO TONIGHT" WHAT IT FOUND.

>> POVERTY AND HARSH RACISM, TERRIBLE HOSTILITY TOWARD THE POLICE WHICH WAS JUSTIFIED IN MOST INSTANCES AND ALMOST ANY RANDOM SPARK COULD SET OFF THIS VIOLENCE.

>> BUT JOHNSON REJECTED THE REPORT.

THE UNREST OF THE 1960s WAS HARDLY THE END OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CHICAGO POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY.

IN THE 1970s, 80s AND 90s, ALMOST 200 BLACK MEN WERE TORTURED IN POLICE CUSTODY.

>> THAT WAS OVERSEEN BY POLICE COMMANDER JOHN BURGE WHO WAS CONVICTED ON FEDERAL CHARGES IN 2010.

THE CITY CREATED A REPARATIONS FUND FOR POLICE TORTURE VICTIMS AND A TORTURE INQUIRY AND RELIEF COMMISSION WHICH GRAPPLED WITH FUNDING AND BACKLOGS.

>> HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THAT CLAIM TO BE ADJUDICATED AND RECOGNIZED AND FOR ULTIMATELY ACCOUNTABILITY TO HAPPEN?

THE CITY HASN'T FORCED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO RECKON WITH THIS HISTORY IN A INFRASTRUCTURAL WAY THAT CHANGES THE WAY THAT THEY UNDERSTAND POLICING.

>> IN 2015, THE DEPARTMENT WAS AGAIN IN THE SPOTLIGHT AFTER THE RELEASE OF DASH-CAM VIDEO SHOWS FORMER OFFICER JASON VAN DYKE SHOOTING LAQUAN McDONALD 16 TIMES.

THEN MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL SETUP A POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY TASK FORCE.

>> THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS WITH POLICING HELPED INSTITUTIONALIZE THE CODE OF SILENCE.

>> VAN DYKE WAS CONVICTED OF SECOND DEGREE MURDER AND IT BROUGHT OUT A CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION.

>> C.P.D.

DOES NOT GIVE THE OFFICERS TRAINING TO DO THEIR JOBS SAFELY, EFFECTIVELY AND LAWFULLY.

>> WHEN THE TRUMP JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DROPPED THAT INVESTIGATION FORMER ILLINOIS ATTORNEY GENERAL PICKED IT UP NEGOTIATING THE CONSENT DECREE.

>> FOR DECADES CHICAGO HAS ENDURED TRAGEDIES AND HEARTACHE AND FAILED ATTEMPTS THAT REAL POLICE REFORM.

THE CONSENT DECREE GIVES US A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT.

>> FOR "CHICAGO TONIGHT" I'M NICK BLUMBERG.

>> AS YOU JUST HEARD CHICAGO HAS A LONG HISTORY OF RACIST AND VIOLENT POLICING IN BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.

THE CONSENT DECREE THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 2019 IS MEANT TO FORCE CHANGE IN BOTH PRACTICE AND CULTURE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE CONSENT DECREE PROVIDES A DETAILED PLAN TO ACHIEVE CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, MANDATES BROAD POLICE REFORM ENFORCED BY A FEDERAL JUDGE HAS AN INDEPENDENT MONITOR TO TRACK PROGRESS.

REQUIRES REFORMS TO TRAINING AND POLICIES AND MOVES TO GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.

BUT THE INDEPENDENT MONITOR WHO TRACKS THE PROGRESS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION REPORTS THAT THE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY CONTINUE TO BLOW THROUGH DEADLINES TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHANGES AND THE MOST RECENT MONITOR'S REPORT FOUND THE DEPARTMENT IS MISSING MORE DEADLINES THAN IT MEETS.

JOINING US NOW TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE CONSENT DECREE AND IMPLEMENTATION SO FAR ARE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO LAW PROFESSOR CRIAG FUTTERMAN ALSO A MEMBER OF THE A COMMUNITY WORKING GROUP ON POLICE REFORM.

NUSRAT CHOUDHURY LEGAL DIRECTOR OF THE A.C.L.U.

OF ILLINOIS, ROXANNE SMITH, A LEADER AT COMMUNITIES UNITED A GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION WORKING FOR RACIAL JUSTICE AND POLICE REFORM.

AND JESSIE FUENTES, AN ACTIVATOR AND EDUCATOR AND POLICY YOUTH POLICY IN HUMBOLDT PARK.

WE DID INVITE MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT AND CHICAGO POLICE SUPERINTENDENT DAVID BROWN TO JOIN US ON TONIGHT'S PROGRAM AND THEY BOTH DECLINED OUR INVITATION.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

AND FIRST OF ALL LET ME BEGIN WITH CRIAG FUTTERMAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS MISSING MORE DEADLINES THAN IT IS MEETING.

BUT SO FAR HAVE THERE BEEN POSITIVE STEPS FORWARD?

>> WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.

AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS SADLY NOT UNLIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE SEEN EFFORTS TO MANAGE POLITICAL CRISES BUT WITHOUT THE COMMITMENT TO ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING CONDITIONS THAT HAVE ALLOWED CHICAGO POLICE TO ABUSE BLACK FOLKS.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE CONSENT DECREE IN TERMS OF POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE IT'S LIKE RATHER THAN EMBRACE THE CONSENT DECREE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BETTER, WHAT WE'VE SEEN THAT C.P.D.

CONTINUES TO RESIST THE CONSENT DECREE AND DENY THE NEED FOR CHANGE.

PUBLICLY CLAIMING CONSENT DECREE IS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY WHAT WE SEE ON THE GROUND IS RESIST TENS AND DENIAL.

>> NUSRAT CHOUDHURY IT TOOK THE LA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET OUT FROM UNDER A CONSENT DECREE.

WHY DOES IT TAKE IMPLEMENTATION SO LONG?

>> THE POLICE CULTURE HAVE GROWN OVER DECADES AND CENTURIES AT THE ROOT OF POLICING SYSTEMS WERE [INAUDIBLE] IN SLAVERY AND INTEGRATION.

THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT POLICE CULTURE LIKE THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT OR LAPD THESE ARE THOUSANDS OF OFFICERS WHO ENGAGINGED IN A CODE OF SILENCE AND CULTURE CHANGE TAKES POLITICAL WILL AND IT TAKES ACCOUNTABILITY.

PIECES OF PAPER ARE IMPORTANT REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET THE POLICIES RIGHT.

THE POLICIES DON'T MATTER IF THEY ARE NOT ENFORCED.

AND PARTICULARLY ENFORCED TO INSURE THAT OFFICERS WHO HURT PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN VIOLENCE ESPECIALLY AGAINST COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT HAVE LONG WITHSTOOD THAT VIOLENCE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

>> ROXANNE SMITH YOU KNOW PERHAPS MORE PROFOUNDLY THAN MOST PEOPLE WHAT NUSRAT CHOUDHURY WAS TALKING ABOUT.

YOUR SON WAS SHOT SIX TIMES BY POLICE 17 YEARS AGO AND HE REMAINS INCARCERATED YOUR YOUNGER SON WAS VIOLENTLY THROWN TO THE GUN AND HANDCUFFED AFTER SUFFERING AN ANXIETY ATTACK AND YOU CALLED FOR HELP.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE NEED FOR REFORMS SPECIFICALLY TO THE DEPARTMENT'S FOOT PURSUIT POLICY?

>> THE CODE OF SILENCE HAS TO JUST BE DELETED, PERIOD.

DEPLETED.

FOR A BETTER WORD.

MY GOD, OF THE THAT WE TRY TO REENFORCE AND TALK ABOUT AND PUT TOGETHER WITHIN THE GAPA ORGANIZATION, ALL THOSE THINGS NEVER THEY PUT IN WHAT THEY WANTED TO PUT IN AND THEN THEY SLID UNDER THE RUG THE OTHER ISSUES.

NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.

WE'RE STILL BEHIND.

MY SON IS GOING THROUGH A LOT.

TOMORROW'S HIS BIRTHDAY.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY FAITH IN THE CONSENT DECREE PROCESS, ROXANNE SMITH?

>> SOMEWHAT.

I'M TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS DAY BY DAY AS WE KEEP PUTTING ONE FOOT FORWARD AND TAKING STEPS TO CHANGE THINGS, I DO HAVE FAITH THAT I HAVE TO KEEP STANDING FOR SOMETHING OR I WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING.

WE HAVE TO STAND FIRM ON WHAT WE BELIEVE.

WE HAVE TO KEEP IT MOVING AND WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT IN WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

IT'S BEING PROVEN AND EVERYTHING THAT IS NOW IS BEING REVEALED.

LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WAS UNDER THE COVERS FROM BURGE R BURGEES UP TO NOW.

LOOK AT IT.

>> OUR KIDS ARE DYING.

>> JESSIE FUENTES ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CONSENT DECREE CALLS FOR IS GREATER ENGAGEMENT ON THE PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY WITH BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES.

HOW GOOD A JOB IS THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT DOING IN YOUR OPINION AS FAR AS ENGAGING PEOPLE OF COLOR?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB WE HAVE TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT POLICE PRESENCE LOOKS LIKE IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ACROSS THE CITY.

I LIVE FER LEFT IN THE WEST SIDE OF HUMBOLDT PARK AND I GIVE LITTLE VILLAGE AND PILSEN A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC.

ARE THERE A HEAVY PRESENCE OF POLICE OFFICERS ABSOLUTELY.

THERE ARE 30 POLICE OFFICERS STANDING IN ONE CORNER.

BUT THEY WERE ENGAGING WITH ONE ANOTHER.

THEY WERE NOT ENGAGING WITH COMMUNITY.

THEY WERE NOT BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH FAMILIES THEY ARE NOT ENGAGING OUR NONPROFIT AGENCIES THAT ARE DOING VIOLENCE PREVENTION WORK WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS TAKING UP SPACE AND OFTEN FEELS LIKE THEY ARE CREATING FEAR IN THOSE SPACES RATHER THAN BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS.

WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LOOKS LIKE GIVEN THE HISTORY WE KNOW OF POLICING IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO.

WE KNOW THAT YOUNG PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY YOUNG PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE TERRIFIED OF POLICE OFFICERS.

IT DOESN'T DO OUR COMMUNITY JUSTICE FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH GUNS ON THEIR BELTS AND BADGES ON THEIR CHESTS I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO ENGAGE IN OUR COMMUNITIES WE NEED TO RETHINK WHAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LOOKS LIKE AND C.P.D.

NEEDS TO BE OPEN AND CREATIVE WHAT THEY BELIEVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LOOKS LIKE.

>> LET'S GET BACK TO THE ISSUE OF FOOT PURSUITS.

IN 2017 THE DEPARTMENT OF HAVE YOU SAID THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDED TO REASSESS THE FOOT PURSUIT POLICY.

DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING IN THE NEAR FUTURE?

>> YEAH, WELL, AS YOU NOTED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CALLED FOR THIS BACK IN 2017.

THE TRIBUNE DID A STUDY AROUND THE SAME TIME AND WHAT IT SHOWED THAT A THIRD OF THE INSTANCES WHICH POLICE KILL PEOPLE FLOW FROM A FOOT CHASE MOST THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE OCCURRED.

NEARLY HALF OF THE CHASES RESULTED IN DEATH, SPEAKING WITH NOTHING MORE THAN SUSPICION OF A MINOR OFFENSE.

EYE QUARTER OF THE PEOPLE KILLED ARE SHOT IN THE BACK AND GUESS WHAT?

BLACK FOLKS ARE TARGETED 94% OF THOSE CHASES.

AND DESPITE THAT IN TERMS OF THE PROSPECTS C.P.D.

CONTINUES TO ENGAGE IN ABOUT SEVEN FOOT PURSUITS A DAY.

THE INDEPENDENT MONITOR FOUND THAT 30% OF THE CHASES RESULTED IN USE-OF-FORCE WITH 30 RESULTING IN DEADLY FORCE.

30 SHOOTINGS IN THE LAST NINE MONTHS OF 2020 ALONE.

THE COMMUNITY COALITION THAT NUSRAT CHOUDHURY AND I REPRESENT OFFERED TO WORK WITH C.P.D.

YEARS AGO TO IMPLEMENT A POLICY AND PROVIDED THEM WITH NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES WORKING WITH OTHERS AND THE CITY JUST REFUSED TO DO SO.

AND THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY IF THE MAYOR AND C.P.D.

HADN'T RESISTED PUTTING IN PLACE A BASIC POLICY ON FOOT PURSUITS?

AND ACTUALLY ENGAGED MEANINGFULLY AND GENUINELY ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST WE'VE SEEN FROM THE CONSENT DECREE JUST AN OUT AND OUT REFUSAL TO ENGAGE THE MENTALITY STILL THAT NOBODY GETS US BUT US AND HEAVEN FORBID SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK WITH TELLS US WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

>> NUSRAT CHOUDHURY, SO HOW MUCH POWER DOES THE INDEPENDENT MONITOR, HOW MUCH POWER DOES THE FEDERAL COURT HAVE THE TWO HAVE TO MOVE THINGS ALONG SO THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T DRAG ITS FEET IN THE FACE OF ITS CRITICS AS ITS CRITICS WOULD SAY?

>> IF YOU HAVE POWER AND THAT POWER IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH PEACE TO DEFINE POLICING IN CHICAGO.

THE CONSENT DECREE IS ONE PHASE THAT IS IMPORTANT.

PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN TO THE STREETS IN A RECKONING THIS YEAR THAT IS AS IMPORTANT.

WE ARE SEEING PUSHES FOR LEGISLATIVE REFORM LIKE THE ANJANETTE YOUNG ORGANIZED IN THE CITY OF CHICAGO TO CURB WRONG RAIDS WHERE POLICE ARE RAIDING HOMES IN BRACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES LIKE ANJANETTE YOUNG AND THOSE EFFORTS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT.

IN TERMS OF QUESTION, THE MONITOR SHE HAS TREMENDOUS POWER AND IS TRACKING THE CITY'S FAILURE TO LIVE UP TO ITS PROMISES AND THAT IS A CLEAR MESSAGE.

THE CITY MADE PROMISES IT'S NOT DELIVERING.

IT IS LIGHT YEARS BEHIND AND CRAIG'S POSITION THERE ARE PEOPLE WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE FAILURE TO MAKE THAT PROGRESS, IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

AND I THINK THE COURT ALSO IS WATCHING CLOSELY.

AND I THINK THE COALITION THAT WE REPRESENT WHICH INCLUDES FOLKS LIKE ROXANNE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN INVESTED FOR YEARS, ARE GOING TO HOLD THE MONITOR AND THE COURT TO THOSE PROMISES.

TO TRACK THAT PROGRESS AND ACTUALLY HOLD THE CITY ACCOUNTABLE WHEN IT FAILS TO MEET THAT PROGRESS.

>> JESSIE FUENTES WHAT DO YOU THINK IF THE NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE PRIORITY WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE BIGGEST PRIORITY SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF REFORM.

>> WE HAVE TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON FOOT PURSUITS AND WE HAVE SEEN ADAM TOLEDO AND ANTHONY BEALE END UP IN DEATH BECAUSE OF -- ANTHONY ALVAREZ END UP IN DEATH BECAUSE OF FOOT PURSUITS.

THEY HAVE TO TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY.

THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASING A REVISED VERSION IS NOT ENOUGH.

WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY DO AWAY WITH FOOT PURSUITS AS MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED HALF LEAD TO DEATHS AND WE CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE TO USE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> ROXANNE SMITH I WILL CLOSE WITH YOU AS SOMEONE PROFOUNDLY AFFECTED BY THE INTERACTION OF POLICE WITH YOUR FAMILY, WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU WANT TO SEND?

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEND TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CITY OFFICIALS WHO HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE THESE CHANGES?

>> THERE ARE CRISIS PREVENTION INTERVENTION SUCKS.

THAT'S PUTTING IT BLUNTLY.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO TO DEESCALATE A SITUATION THEY ESCALATE.

THEY BRING IT UP 10 TIMES HIGHER THAN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

MY SON DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE HAS [INAUDIBLE] THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU TREAT HIM LIKE A CRIMINAL.

SENECA WAS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD JUST GETTING OFF OF WORK.

AND SO HE ASKED YOU A QUESTION AND YOU CHASE HIM AND SHOOT HIM DOWN?

WHO DOES THAT?

THEIR PRIORITIES ARE MIXED UP.

AND WHEN THERE'S SOMEONE WHITE IT IS ANOTHER THING THEY TAKE THEM TO MCDONALD'S.

REALLY?

THAT'S OUT OF ORDER.

I NEED TO SEE SOMETHING CHANGE.

HE GOT A STAMP I'M GOING TO FALL FOR ANYTHING AND I'M NOT DOING THAT THAT IS WHY I'M HERE.

>> AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHTS AND SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCES AND OBSERVATION, ROXANNE SMITH, CRIAG FUTTERMAN, JESSIE FUENTES, NUSRAT CHOUDHURY.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND UP NEXT CONCERNS OVER MENTAL HEALTH FOR CHICAGO POLICE OFFICERS.

BUT FIRST, A LOOK AT THE WEATHER...

THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS HAVE SOUNDED THE ALARM ABOUT COVID'S IMPACT ON EMOTIONAL WELLNESS.

BEFORE THE CORONAVIRUS, POLICE OFFICERS ALREADY FACED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAUMA EACH DAY.

AND THROUGHOUT THE PAST YEAR, SOME SAY THEIR MENTAL HEALTH HAS WORSENED.

>> KIMBERLY MARSHALL STILL REMEMBERS A CALL SHE RESPONDED TO ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO.

A YOUNG BOY WAS THROWN OUT OF A BUILDING WINDOW BECAUSE HE WOULDN'T STEAL CANDY.

>> I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER GOTTEN OVER THAT.

THAT HAS STAYED WITH ME AND THAT DOES CAUSE THOSE DARK THOUGHTS.

>> MARSHALL WAS A CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER FOR 20 YEARS.

SHE SAYS THE EMOTIONAL DRAIN OF THE JOB WAS A CHALLENGE FOR HER.

>> THE KIDS THAT YOU SEE HURT, THEY STAY WITH YOU THE MOST.

EVERYONE SAYS THAT.

>> MARSHALL SAYS POLICING IS ONE OF THE MOST STRESSFUL JOBS RIGHT NOW.

>> OH, MY GOODNESS THE WAY THIS COUNTRY FEELS ABOUT THE POLICE?

I WOULD BE A RECOLLECT EVERY TIME I WENT TO KNOCK ON SOMEONE'S DOOR BECAUSE THEY ARE UPSET THEY ARE VERY ANGRY.

>> MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS SAY OFFICER WELLNESS WHICH WAS LOW DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE WORK DECLINED MOREOVER THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF CIVIL UNREST, THE PANDEMIC AND GROWING DISTRUST IN THE POLICE.

THOSE CLINICIANS WHO SERVE OFFICERS SAY THAT THOUGH A STIGMA EXISTS, THEIR GROWING CASE LOADS POINT TO A DESIRE FOR MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES BUT A NEED FOR MORE.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF OFFICERS THAT ARE QUESTIONING NOW STAYING IN THE FIELD.

OR YOU KNOW, TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN CAN I QUIT OR WHEN THE EARLIEST I CAN RETIRE?

AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN DOING THIS AS MUCH AS IN THE LAST YEAR.

>> CARRIE STEINER WAS A CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER FOR 13 YEARS.

AFTER LEAVING THE DEPARTMENT, STEINER OPENED THE FIRST RESPONDERS WELLNESS CENTER.

THE ORGANIZATION SERVES FIRST RESPONDERS AND FAMILIES.

SHE SAYS SOME OFFICERS ARE HESITANT TO ASK FOR HELP.

>> CULTURALLY, TOO, WHEN YOU ARE AN OFFICER YOU DON'T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO THINK THAT YOU ARE WEAK OR YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE JOB OR YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE A SCENE.

>> SO FAR THIS YEAR, AT LEAST 57 CURRENT AND RETIRED OFFICERS NATIONWIDE HAVE DIED BY SUICIDE ACCORDING TO BLUE HELP, A NONPROFIT THAT TRACKS POLICE SUICIDES IN THE U.S.

IN 2020, 172 DIED BY SUICIDE.

AND IN 2019, THAT NUMBER REACHED 238.

TWO CHICAGO POLICE OFFICERS DIED BY SUICIDE IN MARCH.

ACCORDING TO THE 2017 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REPORT THAT LED TO THE CONSENT DECREE, C.P.D.

'S SUICIDE RATE WAS 60% HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AMONG LAW ENFORCEMENT.

ROBERT SOBO CAUTIONS THAT OFFICER SUICIDES ARE HARD TO TRACK BUT SAYS THE RATE IS STILL TOO HIGH.

ROBERT SOBO IS THE DIRECTOR OF C.P.D.

'S COUNSELING DIVISION EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

>> SUICIDE IS STILL A BIG PROBLEM AND IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE, SUICIDE IS UP ABOUT 28% NATIONALLY.

>> HE SAYS SUICIDE PREVENTION MEANS PRO-ACTIVELY ADDRESSING THE STRESS, TRAUM MAN DEPRESSION OFFICERS ARE DEALING WITH.

EAP OFFERS MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES TO CURRENT AND FORMER OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

THE PROGRAM HAS 13 CLINICIANS, SIX DRUG AND ALCOHOL COUNSELORS AND 200 RANK-AND-FILE MEMBERS OFFERING PEER SUPPORT.

C.P.D.

'S PROGRAM IS THE MOST ROBUST IN THE NATION.

>> GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE 13 OF US AND ALL OF US AT EAP IN GENERAL HAVE ENORMOUS CASE LOADS IF WE HAD MORE WE WOULD BE JUST SERVING MORE PEOPLE BECAUSE THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES IS THERE.

>> AFTER THE LATEST SUICIDES IN THE DEPARTMENT, C.P.D.

BROUGHT ALEXA JAMES JAMES ON AS SENIOR ADVISER OF WELLNESS.

>> OUR RESPONSE IF WE JUST FOCUS ON THE SUICIDES WE ARE MISSING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DAILY IN PAIN AND TIRED AND THEY DON'T FEEL SEEN AND HEARD.

>> JAMES IS THE C.E.O.

OF THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE ON MENTAL HEALTH CHICAGO.

JAMES IS WORKING WITH ROBERT SOBO TO BUILD A CULTURE OF WELLNESS IN THE DEPARTMENT MOVING FROM PRESENTING TRAUMA TO PREVENT TO GO.

>> WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ELIMINATE TRIGGERS AND CHALLENGES AND EXAMINE POLICIES THAT HARM OFFICERS.

>> INCLUDING TRAINING, TRAUMA BRIEFINGS AND CONSIDERING WORKING CONDITIONS LIKE THE CANCELED DAYS OFF AND MANDATORY OVERTIME OFFICERS FACED LAST SUMMER.

AFTER RETIRING, KIMBERLY MARSHALL WENT TO SCHOOL TO BE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

SHE URGES OFFICERS TO SEEK HELP.

>> EVERYTHING IS TREATABLE THAT IS MY FAVORITE LINE.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO IN ORDER TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER AND WHOLE SO THEY DO NOT STAY IN THE STATE OF DEPRESSION UNDER THE STATE OF STRESS, FEELING HOPELESS.

EVERYTHING IS TREATABLE.

>> MARSHALL SAYS AS A POLICE OFFICER SHE ALSO SAW THE NEED FOR MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITIES SHE WAS SERVING WHICH IS WHY SHE SWITCHED FIELDS.

AND YOU CAN VISIT OUR WEBSITE FOR A LIST OF MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES.

GEORGE FLOYD'S MURDER SHARPENED THE FOCUS ON POLICE USE-OF-FORCE ACROSS THE NATION.

CHICAGO'S POLICE FORCE HAS SEEN ITS SHARE OF TURMOIL AS WELL FATAL SHOOTINGS, REVELATIONS OF BOTCHED RAIDS AND TACTICS AT PROTESTS HAVE ALL BEEN THE SUBJECT OF CRITICISM AND AS WE'VE HEARD CALLS FOR REFORM AND DEFUNDING.

BUT MANY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SAY THEY ARE GIVEN TOO FEW RESOURCES AND TOO MANY RESTRICTIONS TO DO WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS A DIFFICULT AND DANGEROUS JOB.

JOINING US IS FORMER LAW FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, MARC BUSLIK, 39 YEAR VETERAN OF THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TEACHING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT CHICAGO.

HE IS A MEMBER OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION PARTNERSHIP.

WALDERMAR CRUZ, A RETIRED CICERO SERGEANT AND PRESIDENT OF THE PUERTO RICAN POLICE ASSOCIATION.

AND PETER GARZA A RETIRED CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR FOR THE COOK COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FORMER COOK COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR JOINING US.

PETER GARZA LET'S START WITH YOU PLEASE.

FOR MANY YEARS IN CHICAGO THE CRIME RATES HAVE BEEN HIGH VIOLENT CRIME CLEARANCE RATES HAVE BEEN LOW.

HOW SHOULD WE AS CITIZENS JUDGE THE PERFORMANCE OF POLICE?

>> YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

WHEN I WAS A COLLEGE STUDENT AT ILLINOIS STATE A PROFESSOR TOLD ME IF YOU WANT TO CONFUSE OR DESTROY A SYSTEM, CONFUSE IT.

AND THE PEOPLE AT THE BOTTOM WILL HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE SO-CALLED THE LEADERS THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP WILL BE CONFUSED AFRAID TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR FEARING THAT THEY WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.

AND THIS BRINGS ME TO SAY WE NEED TO TAKE TWO OR THREE STEPS BACK.

WE'RE MAKING POLICING SUCH A CONFUSING SITUATION THAT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS BRINGING IN THEIR UNPROFESSIONAL OPINIONS.

YOU HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEY DO EVERYTHING ON THE BASIS OF GETTING REELECTED.

I GUARANTEE YOU IF THE MAYOR IF THIS CITY WERE VERY PRO POLICE, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE MAYOR WOULD BE SAYING TO THE ELECTED -- TO THE CROWDS, YOU KNOW WHAT?

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

I AM GOING TO HIRE MORE POLICE AND GET MORE.

YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

NOW WITH THAT SAID, WE HAVE TO ASK DO WE NEED THE POLICE?

WHY DO WE HAVE POLICE?

WELL, WE NEED POLICE BECAUSE THAT'S THE FOUNDATION OF ANY SUCCESSFUL SOCIETY.

BEFORE THERE'S GOVERNMENT, BEFORE THERE'S BUSINESS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED A SOCIETY NEEDS SAFETY WHICH MEANS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WHICH MEANS POLICING AND A POLICE OFFICER NOT THE LEADERSHIP THE POLICE OFFICER IS THE ONE ON THE FRONTLINE.

AND HIM AND HER HAVE BEEN THROWN UNDER THE BUS TOO MANY TIMES.

>> MARC BUSLIK I WANT TO GET YOU IN HERE.

ONE OF THE POLICING CONCEPTS THAT YOU ADVOCATE FOR IS POLICE LEGITIMACY.

MARC BUSLIK CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT APPROACH?

>> CERTAINLY.

I'VE BEEN SPEAKING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON THIS ISSUE OF POLICE LEGITIMACY.

AGAIN, I AM NOT AN ACTIVIST WITH AN AGENDA.

I AM A SCIENTIST AND FORMER BUREAUCRAT AND WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT POLICE RA LEGITIMACY THAT THE COMMUNITY TRUST THE POLICE TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS THE RIGHT WAYS.

WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY WHAT WE CALL A COMMUNITY INFORMED APPROACH.

AND IT HAS TO BE COLLABORATIVE.

THE POLICE CAN BE VERY GOOD AT CERTAIN THINGS VERY GOOD AT CRIME FIGHTING.

BUT IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T CONSIDER THAT IMPORTANT, THEN IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER HOW GOOD WE ARE.

IF THE COMMUNITY SAYS WE CARE A LOT ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.

BUT IT'S A POLICE AGENCY THAT IS NOT VERY TRANSPARENT, DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD DISCIPLINARY SYSTEM THAT SERVES TO PREVENT MISCONDUCT, THEN WE'RE NOT WINNING.

SO IT IS A MATTER OF COLLABORATING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WORKING TOGETHER AND I USE AN ACADEMIC METAPHOR OF THE ANCIENT GREEK TEMPLE WE LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SOLID AND ESTHETICALLY APPEALING AND THAT IS POLICE LEGITIMACY.

IT'S SOLID.

IT LOOKS THE WAY WE WANT IT TO LOOK.

AND TO EXTEND THAT METAPHOR WE HAVE THESE COLUMNS WHICH REPRESENT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT DEPARTMENTS DO.

CRIME FIGHTING, ACCOUNT BILL, INVESTIGATIONS, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND WE NEED TO EVALUATE AN ASSY BASED ON THOSE THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY CONSIDERS IMPORTANT.

>> WALDERMAR CRUZ DO YOU THINK THE AMOUNT AND THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT POLICE OFFICERS GET DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IS SUFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE?

>> NO, I DON'T.

I THINK WE AS A CITY HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB IN TAKING OUR TIME AND TRAINING OUR POLICE OFFICERS.

WE CANNOT MAKE IT A SYSTEM WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH OUT AS MANY POLICE OFFICERS INTO THE STREET TO COVER THE STREET BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY RETIREMENTS.

WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS GOING ON, MENTAL HEALTH, PSYCHOLOGY, SOCIAL WORK, JUVENILE ISSUES THAT WE CAN'T COVER EVERYTHING BUT WE'RE MANDATED TO DO IT.

AND I THINK IF WE WANT TO IMPROVE POLICING WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR TIME AND TRAINING OUR OFFICERS PROPERLY WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE TRAINING THEM.

THIS TRAINING SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, I THINK HAS A LOT OF FAVORITISM AND NEPOTISM SO WE ARE NOT GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TRAINING OUR OFFICERS THEY ARE LOSING OUT BEFORE THEY HIT THE STREET.

AND THAT IS WHY THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS WE NEED TO CORRECT.

>> AFTER THE ADAM TOLEDO SHOOTING HIS LAWYER HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT TOLEDO HAD A GUN.

>> IT IS NOT RELEVANT BECAUSE HE TOSSED THE GUN.

IF HE HAD A GUN HE TOSSED IT.

THE OFFICER SAID SHOW ME YOUR HANDS HE COMPLIED AND TURNED AROUND THERE IS A STILL PHOTO GOING ON THE INTERNET WITH HIS HANDS UP AND HE IS SHOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS CHEST.

>> PETER GARZA IN THE TOLEDO SHOOTING AND THE ANTHONY ALVAREZ SHOOTING THE OFFICER GAVE AN ORDER TO DROP THE WEAPON WHICH WAS FOLLOWED BY THE OFFICER OPENING FIRE IN BOTH CASES FATALLY IN SITUATIONS LIKE THESE HOW LONG SHOULD A PERSON GET TO COMPLY WITH THE OFFICER'S ORDER BEFORE THE OFFICER FEELS THE NEED TO SHOOT?

>> WELL, THAT'S DOUBLE QUESTIONING A POLICE OFFICER WHOSE LIFE IS ON THE LINE.

I NEVER DO THAT.

BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE -- YOU CAN'T EMPATHIZE WITH THAT TYPE OF A SITUATION WHICH LEADS ME TO THIS POINT.

WHEN THE PEOPLE MAKING THESE DECISIONS THEY ARE NOT THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE CHIEF OR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE DEPARTMENT FOR EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL TO TAKE ONE DAY AT THE ACADEMY AND DO THREE DAYS ON EVERY SHIFT AND GO ON PATROL WITH THE POLICE OFFICER.

THAT WAY THEY WOULD BE BETTER ABLE TO EMPATHIZE WITH WHAT THE POLICE OFFICER DEALS WITH.

NOW, ONE OF YOUR LAST PANELISTS IS SAYING WE SHOULD GET RID OF THE GUNS AND THE BADGES ON THE POLICE AND WE'RE BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE POLICE.

BUT WHAT I DON'T HEAR IS ANY BLAMING OR ANY CONSEQUENCE FOR THE CRIMINAL OR FOR THE VICTIM.

THE VICTIM HAS BEEN COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN NOW.

AND WE ARE IN A SOCIETY NOW WHERE EVERYONE HAS THEIR BIAS OPINION.

AND LIKE THE COMMANDER SAID EVERYBODY HAS A HIDDEN AGENDA AND THEY WANT TO THROW IN THEIR TWO CENTS BUT A LOT OF THAT STUFF IS RIDICULOUS.

>> PETER GARZA WHEN YOU ARE SAYING VICTIM, VICTIMS OF CRIME.

>> VICTIMS OF CRIME.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM.

>> FROM THERE FUNCTIONS THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE BETTER PERFORMED BY OTHER ENTITIES?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THEY HAVE REALLY NO -- I WAS TRYING TO GET MARC BUSLIK IN ON THE QUESTION.

GO AHEAD, MARK.

>> I THINK SO.

WE TRIED SOMETHINGS IN MY DISTRICT WITH PEOPLE RESPONDING TO A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

LEAP AS YOU SAID WHO I'M REPRESENTING THIS EVENING, THEY'VE DEVELOPED WHAT THEY CALL THE COMMUNITY RESPONDER MODEL TO OFF LOAD SOME TASKS FROM THE POLICE THAT ARE NOT EMERGENCY OR DIRECTLY LAW ENFORCEMENT TO OTHER PERSONNEL OTHER RESPONDER PERSONNEL.

AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THAT CAN BE DONE, YES.

>> OK. AND THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT.

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