>> WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL CORRESPONDENTS EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" HEIST ARE IN THE MAKING WELCOME BACK TO THIS SPECIAL CORRESPONDENCE EDITION OF "OFF THE RECORD" WITH OUR LEAD STORY.

HISTORY IN THE MAKING AS 5 GOP CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR WERE IN JEOPARDY OF BEING BOOTED OFF THE AUGUST PRIMARY BALLOT.

ON THE OTR PANEL CHAD LIVENGOOD, NANCY KAFFER, ZACHARY GORCHOW AND VIA CHEYNA ROTH.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELCOME THE HOLIDAY EDITION OF OFF THE RECORD.

YOU HAVE SEEN A NEWS WEEK LIKE THIS BEFORE?

ANY OF YOU?

>> I PICKED A GREAT WEEK.

6:00 GREAT NEWS.

>> BY THE WAY CONGRATULATIONS.

THAT IS A NICE MOVE FOR YOU.

WELL, THE LEAD STORY RIGHT NOW WHAT IS HAPPENED AT THE STATE BOARD YESTERDAY AND YOU FROM NOT THERE, LACKEY YOU.

ALSO SEE WHAT HAPPENED.

>> THE STATE ELECTIONS BUREAU TONED IT FILED ENOUGH FRAUDULENT PETITION SIGNATURES IN THOSE BOXES THERE TO DISQUALIFY NOT ONE BUT FOUR REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR INCLUDING JAMES CRAIG, PEPPER RY JOHNSON, MICHAEL MARKY AND DONNA VANDENBERG SHE WAS NON-TOO PLEASED WITH THES ARE SES THE STATE USINGED TO BAT OVER THE BALLOT POTENTIALLY.

I FIND THIS PROCESS TO BE ARBITRARY GOAT RODEO AND IT IS A SHAME AND IT IS, IT IS ASSAULT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL.

REPORTER: THE PROCESS THE STATE DID USE IS TO NOT CHECK EVERY SUG TUR ON THE PETITIONS BUT UNSTEAD, IT MADE ASSUMPTION IF ONE NAME WAS FORGED ALL THINK OTHER NAMES WERE AUTO MATCALLY TOSSED OUT, TOO.

THEY CANNOT DO AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION THAT IS CLEAR FROM THE CASE LAWS.

OUT OF THE OPTIONS THEY COULD HAVE USED THEY PICKED ONE THAT VIOLATES MICHIGAN LAW.

REPORTER: NO IT DOESN'T COUNTER WHO DONEES THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE TO COMPARE ANY PETITIONING TURE THE LIST OF QUALIFIED VOTERS.

>> THE STAFF AND THE BOARD FINDS THAT SKER LATERS FILED FALSE CERTIFICATES, YOU ARE AUTHORIZED BY 11A TO PROCEED TO DISQUALIFY IN TIRE SHEETS OF PA TUGSES WITHOUT HAVING TO RESORT TO THE QVI.

THE TWO REPUBLICANS AND THE TWO DEMOCRAT ON THE STATE BOARD TOOK ALL OF THIS IN AND THEY VOTED 2-2 TO BASICALLY DO NOTHING.

WHICH MEANS THE CANDIDATES ARE OF OUR THE BALLOT FOR NOW.

>> WHAT CONCERNS ME IS MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ON HOW MUCH OF IT IS FRAUD AND TOSSING POTENTIALLY VALID SIGNATURES IN THAT POOL LIKE A TRIAL, YOU CAN ASSUME CERTAIN THINGS BUT IF THE PROOF IS NOT WE NEED TO ON THE SIDE OF CITIZEN AND RIGHTS.

REPORTER: THEY WILL HAVE TO FIND COURT TO PUT THEM BACK IN THE RACE OTHERWISE, WELL, THEY HAVE MORE FREE TIME THIS SUMMER.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THE OPENING QUESTION IS.

WHAT IS A GOAT RODEO?

HAVE ANY YOU BEEN TO ONE?

>> I AM FROM ALABAMA.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS.

>> IF IT DOESN'T HAP PIN ALABAMA, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T EXIST.

ZACHARY, WHAT IS GOING ON?

>> I MEAN, IT IS JUST AN EXTRAORDINARY UNPRECEDENTED, YET AGAIN, ANOTHER UNPRECEDENTED SITUATION.

YOU HAD TEN CANDIDATES FILE PETITIONS TO GET ON THE BALLOT FOR GOVERNOR.

AND LOOKS LIKE FIVE OF THEM TO ARE GOING TO GET WIPED OUT.

IT IS JUST MIND-BOGGLING THAT YOU COULD HAVE HAD SITUATION WHERE SCAM ARTISTS FRAUDSTERS, CROOKS WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM WHO ARE SKER LATING THE PA ISES YOU BECAUSE YOU GOT TO HAVE 5,000 VALID.

THAT'S THE KEY WORD HERE, VALID, TO GET ON THE BILLION LOT, THEN WE ARE JUST SIGNING, MAKING UP NAMES, SIGNING NAMES, PEOPLE WHO HAD MOVED AWAY, AND WHO, WHO ARE LEGITIMATE VOTERS BUT DIDN'T SIGN AND THOSE PAGES OR SIGNED CLEAR IN THERE SAME HAND AND THE BAUER ROW OF ELECTIN STAFF WHICH IS COMBING THROUGH ALL OF THIS STUFF SAW CLEAR PATTERNS AND BASICALLY DECIDE, OK, IF THIS PERSON, LET'S SEE, ONE OF THE NAUMS OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALLEGEDLY TURNED PETITIONS IN, WILLIAMS WILL BLIM!IAMS HOW MANY BELIEVE THAT IS REAL LEE GIT NAMES AND WILLIAMS WILLIAMS TURNED IN TEN SHEETS OFFING DOORS THAT WERE MADE UP AND FAKE FROM ONE CANDIDATE AND ALSO TURNED THEM IN FOR CANDIDATE B, WE ARE THOUGH THOSE OUT.

>> DO YOU STILL HAVE THE LAW DEGREE?

>> I DO.

I DO.

I DO KEEP UP WITH IT.

WELL, LET'S PUT TO IT WORK HERE.

OK. DON'T START THE METER ON ME, OK. WHAT WAS YOUR LEGAL TAKE ON THE ARGUMENTS THAT YOU ARE HEARD PRO ANCONE YESTERDAY.

WE HAVE A CONFLICT IN STATE LAW I HEARD.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, THINKING THAT IS WHAT IT IS BOILS DOWN TO.

YOU HAVE THE CONFLICT IN STATE LAW.

THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW HAPPENS WHENEVER THERE IS SORT OF A NOVEL ISSUE YOU HAVE BOTH SEE YOUS WHO ARE CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE RIGHT WHAN IS GOING TO HAP PINT IS GOING TO GO AND THE COURTS WILL DECIDE EITHER HOW THIS LAW STRAIGHTENS OUT OR A NEW INTERPRETATION OF THE WILL YOU AND I MEAN, IT IS INTERESTING WE HAVE NOT SEEN A MASSIVE FRAUD ACCUSATION LIKE THIS SINCE I HAVE BEEN A REPORTER SINCE I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING MICHIGAN POLL TUX THEN I THINK IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE COURT ITSELF IS GOING TO END UP DECIDING IF THEY ALL DO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THEIR CHALLENGES IN COURT.

>> THE SCALE IS NOTHING I CAN REMEMBER BUT THIS STUFF HAPPENED EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS THE THING WITH COTTER BEFORE THAT.

THIS IS A GUY RUNNING FOR CONGRESS.

THE PEOPLE CHEATED AND THEY GOT CAUGHT.

RIGHT.

RIGHT.

I WANT TO SAY 2009 AND REVISION COMMISSION AND DETROIT RENAISSANCE WHICH IS BUSINESS LEADER FORCE MICHIGAN AND THE CHAMBER IDENTIFIED THIS AND OFFERED TO HELP CHART TO GET SUG TURES AND BACKED TEN CANDIDATES THEN NINE OF THEM DIDN'T MAKE THE BALLOT BECAUSE THING TURE GATHERING PEOPLE THEY HIRED TOTALLY SCREWED UP AND DID THE SAME THING.

SO THIS DOES HAPPEN PERIODICALLY AND IT IS THAT FIVE CANDIDATES HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS US THE MIND BLOWING THING BUT ALSO IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF CANDIDATES EVERY ELECTION CYCLE DO THERE ARE A GET ON THE ABOUT ABALL LOT.

YEAH.

I MEAN.

JUST FOR PEOPLE'S UNDIR STANDING THE STATED MAINTAINS THIS DATABASE CALLED THE QUALIFIED VOTER FILE FOR 7 MILLION REGISTERED VOTERS THEN WHEN YOU GO TO VEG TER TO VOTE YOU SIGN YOUR NAME AND THAT SIGNATURE GETS COMPARED WHEN YOU GET A BALLOT, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE REQUEST ABSENTEE BALLOT, IN THE, ALSO, SOMETIMES, WHEN YOU SIGN ONE OF THESE PASS AND THESE PEOPLE STAND ON THE CORNER IN THE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THIS GROCERY STORE OR WHAT NOT, IN THE, SO, THIS IS THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN THEY SAW THESE PATTERNS AND THEY STARTED TOSSING THE PAGES AS ZACK SAID THEN, THE OPTION, THE OTHER OPTION IS THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND CHECK EVERYONE OF THESE UNGS THEN TURN THE MINIMAL OF 15,000 AND TEN CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR THEN, I MEAN, THE SCALE OF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF AND SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE CLEARLY CAN NOT HANDLE NEVER HAD THINK IT.

NEVER HAD IT ON THE RUN IN THE PRIMARY AT LEAST IN MODERN MICHIGAN HISTORY THEN SO, MAIN, THIS THEN A TIMELINE HERE.

I THINK THE LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO LOOK AT THE TIMELINE OF THIS BECAUSE YOU HAD A FILING DEADLINE IN APRIL THEN YOU REALLY GOT TO HAVE THESE BALLOTS KIND OF FAMIZED BY THE FIRST WEEK OF JUNE TO PRINT THEM TO GOT AVAILABLE AND VOTERS HAVE CHANGED THE ABSENTEE BALLOT LAW TAN AND THE CONSTITUTION IN 2018 THEN A WHOLE LOT OF SHORT TIMEFRAMES SO NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO BE SOLUTE PALOOZA AND SEE EVERY COURT IN THE STATE.

AND YOU ARE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE AND CLEAR YOUR CALENDAR BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO BE BUSY THE STAFF DID SPOT-CHECK WITH 1,000 SIGNATURES A AND THEY PULLED OUT OF THE PAINGS AND COMPARED AND THEY FOUND SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO MAKE THE THINK IT WAS, THEY SPOTTED CHACK CHECKED 1 THE AND THOUGHT THEY WERE ON SOLID GROUND IN SAYING THESE ARE FRAUDULENT.

THAT IS STANDARD THE SPOT-CHECKING IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH WHETHER THEY GOT VALID.

>> WELL SOME OF THE CANDIDATES THROUGH.

ON THE MERSE THINK OF COURT AND SAID YESTERDAY, WE TRIED.

WE DID THE BEST WE COULD.

THEN THE END OF THE DAY THERE IS A STATE LAW AND 15,000 BALLOTS SUG TURES READ MY LIPS FOLKS WELL, WHAT WAS IT?

DO OR DO NOT.

THERE IS NO TRY.

THAT IS I THINK.

>> WHO SAID THAT?

>> A MOVIE CALLED OHM FIRE STRIKES BACK.

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT IS GO.

A THE SITUATION IS HERE THOUGH.

YOU KNOW?

YOU GOT TO GET THERE.

I MEAN.

WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS?

IT IS IT THE CANDIDATES?

SOME SAY IT THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY.

>> NO.

ARE WHY ARE LAUGHING.

>> IT'S THE STATE'S.

ITS THE CANDIDATE'S RESPONSIBILITY.

IT IS INTERESTING.

THERE IS ONE CASE MOST RECENTLY AND IN 2014 REMEMBER JOHN CONYERS THE LAST RE-ELECTION AND THE CAMPAIGN WAS COMPLETELY UNORGANIZED AND THEY COULDN'T EVEN POLL TOGETHER 1,000 VALID SIGNATURES IN DETROIT FOR JOHN CONYERS THE 50-YEAR MEMBER OF CONGRESS AND TURNED THE SLOPPIEST THING AND HE HAD TO GET A FEDERAL JUDGE TO PUT HIM ON THE BALLOT UNDER SOME ARGUMENT THAT WAS UNREGISTERED VOTERS ON PETITIONS THEN SAYING, THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO SPEECH WAS SLIGHTED IF HE WAS NOT ON THE BALLOT THEN BY THE SAME POINT COULDN'T A CANDIDATE ARGUE.

LOOK.

I HIRED LEGITIMATE FIRM AND ASSUMED THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOB.

I COULDN'T FLY SPECK ALL OF THOSE NAMES MYSELF.

>> COULDN'T.

THAT WAS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING THE STATE TO DO TO FLY EVERY SINGLE ONE.

YOU ARE HE ONE THAT HIRED THE PEOPLE.

THEY GO THROUGH AND BE LIKE OK YOU CHECK EVERY SINGLE SIGNATURE ON THE CANDIDATE ARE THE ONES WHO THAT WANT TO BE IN THIS POSITION AND RUN FOR GOVERNOR AND IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY A LEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THEY ARE HIRING ANG SOMETHING YOU GET INTO WHEN YOU HIRE PEOPLE TO COLLECT FOR YOU AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THEY ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.

ASK YOURSELF.

HOW DO YOU TALK IT LIKE THE GOVERNOR SAYS I DON'T KNOW THE FOLKS ARE DOING.

I HIRED THEM?

I DIDN'T PITCH TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND I DIDN'T CHECK.

LIKE WE DON'T CARE FOR THAT WHEN THE GOVERNOR SAYS IT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE GOVERNOR.

>> DUE DILIGENCE.

AS CANDIDATE YOU HAVE TO SOON THE PETITION.

WHEN YOU TURN EVERYTHING IN.

YOU ARE SIGNING A STATEMENT THAT SAYS YOU ETHOSES BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND THESE ARE VAL RID SIGNATURE AND THE BUCK STOPS WITH THE CAN DID AND I TRIED IT IS NOT MY FAULT AND YOU ARE TOTALLY OPENING UP THE FLOODGATES IF THIS IS.

IF THEY IGNORE THIS.

THEN CHIEF SAYS HE THIS IS IT IS ORCHESTRATED FRAUD THEN THOUGHT IT WAS ORCHESTRATED ATTACK WHEN THE DNR WHEN PROTESTERSES STORMED THE CALM PIN ANNOUNCEMENT THEN HE THOUGHT THEY WERE PAID AND THE DNR ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN THEN IN 2020 DURING THE BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS HE STATED WAS ORCHESTRATED AND LIKE THIS WEIRD INSISTENCE THERE IS ALL THE PLOTS.

HE ALLEGE THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE BUR THROW ELECTIONS WAS OUT TO GET THEM.

YEAH.

YEAH.

>> FORMER CONGRESSMAN IN 2012 THE CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN AND THE CAREER WENT UP IN SMOKE AND AT THE HABES HANS OF A COUPLE OF AIDES WHO JUST AT THE LAST WEEKEND BEFORE THE FILING DEADLINE RAN AWHICH AND TRIED TO FORGE SIGNATURES AND COPY AND PAST IT.

THEY GOT OUT.

THEN SLAP STICK AND THOSE GUYS ENDED UP GETTING CHARMED CRIMINALLY FOR THAT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THE BUCK STOPPED WITH THAT.

HE SIGNED BE A SAID THEY WERE GOOD AND THEN THEY WERE NOT.

HE GOT KNOCKED OFF.

WE ENDED UP WITH CAREY AND THAT IS.

>> ON THE PROGRAM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SAID THAT EVERY SIGNATURE WAS GOING TO BE CHIPPED AND WELL COME FINE OUT THIS DID NOT HAPPEN.

THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE A BULLETPROOF CASE HERE.

MEAN BASICALLY SAYING HE AS HE SAID ASSUMPTION THAT ONE NAME WAS WRONG WE THROW IT ALL THE NAMES SOME PEOPLE, I THINK, THAT IS GOING TO BE IT.

THE PART OF THE ARGUE.

WELL.

S THAT YOU THE ARGUMENT.

THEN, I SUPPORT.

I SUPPOSE IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE SUPREME COURT COULD ISSUE ORDER TELLING THE BAUER ROVE ELECTIONS CHECK EVERYING TURE I DON'T THINK THE SUPREME COURT WILL JUST WHERE I WOULD BE SURES PRICINGED IF THEY CAN.

NO TIME TO DO IT.

ASK OHIO ABOUT TIMETABLES THEY MOVED ALL THE ELECTIONS SCHEDULED DOWN THERE.

SUPREME COURT CAN MOVE ALL THE TIMELINES BACK THAT I NEEDS TO AS NECESSARY IN THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, DO IN SEE SUPREME COURT GOING IN AND COUNT AND CHECKING EVERYING TURE AND TELL ROW TEGSLES CHECK THEM AND DO IT.

I WOULD BE SURPRISES IF E THEY ODDERRED TO THE BALLOT.

>> WELL I AGREE.

THAT?

I THINK ZAC IS SPOT ON THERE AND CAN'T SEE A WORLD IN WHICH NO WHAT YOU GUYS TRIED YOUR BEST AND THE BEST OK TO GET ON THE BALLOT I THINK THERE I GOING TO BE SON ACTION THAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO OR THEY ARE GOING TO DO IN ORDER TO SORT OF DO MORE TO ENSURE THAT THESE WERE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SUG TURE.

THEN ALSO, FIVE CANDIDATES DID MEET THIS THRESHOLD AND THOSE FIVE CANDIDATES ARE NOT THE BEST FUN AND THE BEST WITH THE BEST OPERATION WE HAVE TWO OF THE TOP TIER CANDIDATES WHO HAD THE MOST MONEY THE SPOST SUPPORT AND THE MOST RESOURCE FAILINGED TO MAKE THE THRESHOLD SO IT IS NOT AS THOUGH EVERYONE TRYING FOR THE BALLOT HIT THE SAME ROADBLOCKS SOME FOLKS DID AND SOME DID NOT.

HE SPEND AT LEAST 3 MILLION TO DATE ON THE CALM BANE AND COULD HAVE WELL BOUGHT HIMSELF THE BEST CHECKED SIGNATURES MONEY INTO BUY AND THEN THE LATE MADDY BOUGHT HIMSELF 400,000 ONE YEAR TO GET AMENDMENT ON THE BALLOT THEN REQUIRE JOHNSON COULD NOT COME UP WITH 15,000 SO SIT BACK AND WATCHING THIS UNFOLD IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIME A RACE WOMAN NAMED GRETCHEN WHITMER AND THINKING TO HERSELF, I MEAN, I THINK SHE HAS GOT TO BE UNHAPPY ABOUT THE CHAOS OVER THERE AND I THINK, I HI, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW, YOU BUILD THE CAMPAIGN CALENDAR FROM BACKWARDS THEN EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND THE TUN THE MUCK ON THIS AND THERE IS ALOST OPPORTUNITY OR THEM AND A PLUS FOR HER AND WHAT IS CLEARLY GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT ENVIRONMENT FOR DEMOCRATS AND THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, DY HAVE AUM COV DEMOCRATS STI THE WEAK, WOW, THIS IS NOT.

MAYBE NOT THE B TEAM OF CAN DAYS OUT THERE THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ONE PERSON WHO PRESENTS THE MOST DIFFICULT CONTRAST FOR THE GOVERNOR IS DICKSON WHO THEN GETS ENDORSEMENT OF THE DAVOSS THAT SINGLE-HANDEDLY SOLVES THE GREATEST WEAKNESS AND CAN'T RAISE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE STATE SENATE CAMPAIGN LET ALONE RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR AROUND NOW WELL FUNDED IF THIS HOLDS OR THE FIVE CANDIDATES SHE HAS GOT A PRETTY GOOD SHOT AT GETTING THE NOMINATIONS SO LONG TERM I THINK YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE ARE STILL IN A TOUGH RACE AND THIS IS, I THINK SHORT TERM LIKE THIS IS GREAT.

LOOK.

KEEP IT GOING AS LONG AS POSSIBLE YEAH.

YEAH IF I AM GOVERNOR WHITMORE I WANTED TO RUN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT HE WAS A STRONG CANDIDATE AND I THINK A LOT ABOUT HIM IN THE BEGINNING THEN THINK THAT PRETTY WALKLY DECREASED AS HE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE AIRTIME AND THEN, THEN YEAH I WOULD LIKE TO REASON AGAINST IF PRI HERE AND THINK LIKE ZACK SAID AND HER RESUMES NOT SUPER THICK BUT HAS NOT BEEN ISSUE IN RECENT YEARS BUT SHE HAS GOT MONEY FROM THE DAVOSS NU AND ATTENTION OF TRUMP THEN SHE IS VERY GAGGING AND SHE IS, MAIN, THAT PUTS HER AT THE FRONT OF THIS PACK I THINK.

>> THERE IS ONE THING THAT JAMES CRAIG HAD GOING AND HIS NAME I.D.

IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN AFTER BEING THE POLICE CHIEF OF DETROIT FOR EIGHT YEARSES WAS AS HI AS ANYONE.

NOBODY COULD MATCH THAT.

AND THE ONLY PERSON LEFT IN THE FIELD THAT HAS THE NAME I.D.

IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN IS KEVIN BECAUSE OF THE AWED AUTO DEALERSHIP AND NAMED OLDER VOTEDDERS IN OAKLAND COUNTY WILL KNOW THAT NAME.

AND OLDER VOTERS IN MACOMB AND OAKLAND COUNTY ARE IMPORTANT TO WINNING THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY BUT HOW THAT PLACE OUT WITH THE ABILITY TO BOY TV ADS AND MONEY VERSUS WHAT THE DAVOSS MAY COME IN TO HELP DICKSON ON WE'LL SEE.

ALSO GIVING HER THE DAVOSS ARE GIVING HER NA THAME RECOGNITION AND MAY NOT KNOW.

PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW.

BUT YOU PUT NEXT TO THE DAVOS NAME AND ANY SORT OF AD OR WITH ANY OF THEM.

THAT IS AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO STICK IN PEOPLE'S MIN.

AND GIVEN HER THAT.

THAT MAY BE A BAD THING IN SOME CIRCLES.

YEAH DEN ON WHICH SIDE OF THE STATE YOU ARE ON.

OK. OK.

THE REPUBLICAN SIR COALS THE GRASS ROOTS WILL LOOK AT THAT AND SAY SHE IS CANDIDATE AND AND NOT LAST SIGHT OF THE FACT IN THAT CONTEST WHICH ARE YOU PICKING.

A LOT MORE MONEY.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

HE DOES HAVE ADVANTAGE.

HE CAN SPEND IT TO HELP HIMSELF AND VADA VOSSS CAN BUNDLE AND COME UP WITH THIRD PARTY ORG ALL WELL AND GOOD.

AGE IT IS A NICE CHUNK AND SPENDS THAT IN THE PRIMARY A NICE CHUNK OF MONEY AND BUT SO FAR MOSTLY KEEP K HIS POWDER DRE PROBABLY WUSSLY.

SO WE SEE HOW FAR HE IS WILLING TO GO.

YOUR TAKE ON THE ENDORSEMENT.

IT IS HUGE FOR HER.

THERE IS POSSIBLE CONFLICT WITH YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THIS ARE IN THE ANTIESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN FAD GOING ON NOW.

TRUMP ALSO LIKES HER THORS TO BACK TO YOU AGREE.

YEAH.

AND PARTS OF THE STATE AND THE GA WHO IS CHIROPRACTOR FROM IDEA WHO STARTED A FACEBOOK GROUP DURING THE CORONAVIRUS LOCKDOWN AS A BACK LASH TO GOVERNOR WHITMER.

AND NARROWER RATES NOW.

ALL RIGHT.

AND SUGGESTION IN A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE IT WAS WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR.

AND MESS ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE TICKET FOR GOVERNOR AND HAVING INCUMBENT CREATES ISLAND WHERE DEMOCRATS CAN COMPETE IN MICHIGAN.

AND THEY ARE HORRIBLE.

AND A HUGE CLASSIC PRESIDENT'S PARTY AND MID TERM DRAG.

AND KEEP IT CLOSE.

AND OTHER PARTS OF THE KICK KET.

AND HER JOB PERFORMANCE NUMBER WAS SLAGLY UNDER WATER.

POSITIVE 50 TO 45 BUT I SAW HER JOB FIRMANCE WAS LITTLE WINDER LIKE 47 FAVORABLE AND 52 YOU CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT IF I AM WRONG.

LOOK.

IT IS GOING TO BE ANG OHIO THIS PAST POINT.

THEY ARE HOLDING BACK.

AND SO RIGHT NOW WHAT I SAW IN THAT SURVEY IT LOOK TO ME LIKE EM DEM DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING DEMOCRAT AND INDEPENDENTS HOLDING THERE.

NENT PENTS WERE 38% PLUS 46 NEGATIVE.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LOOK AT.

AND THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION ARE STILL JUST AN ANCHOR ON DEMOCRATS NOW AND IT IS NOT.

IT HAS NOT GOTTEN MUCH BETTER.

DOWN THE ROAD FOR GENERAL ELECTION.

IF THE DOME CRATES IF ABORTION RIGHTS CAN GET ABORTION RIGHTS ON THE BALLOT.

THIS IS JUST PREVIEW NOW YOU CAN GUARANTEE THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO EVERYONE OF THOSE.

AND COMPANY ARE ALL GOING TO BE MAKING HAUER THEY ARE VALID SO YOU GET THAT ON THE BALLOT.

THAT IS GOING TO ENERGIZE WOMEN AND GOING TO END NER GAZE AND SOME PENTS AS WELL AND GOING TO HELP AND BECOME THE FIRE WALL FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

MER THAN 60% DON'T THINK ROW SHOULD BE OVERTURNED SO A BELL WEATHER TOO.

AND CHANGED THE DYNAMICS ON THIS ISSUE THE QUESTION IS SAYING NOW LOOK AGENT HIGH ENTHUSIASM ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AND I DON'T KNOW.

THE PROPOSAL WOULD LEGALIZE ON THE BALLOT DON'T THINK IT CHANGES ANYTHING ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE.

AND YOU KNOW THERE IS POTENTIAL AS ALWAYS FOR THE PRESIDENT'S PARTY TO HAVE AMONG THEIR VOTERS.

SUPREME COURT DOES OVERTURN AND IT PROVIDES INCENTIVE FOR VOTERS WHO WOULD NOT BE AS ENTHUSED TO COME OUT TO VOTE.

ONE MORE THING ABOUT BUS YOU MENTIONED THIS.

IF THE SUPREME COURT UT DON'T THROW OUT ROW AND DOES UPHOLD THE 115 LAW BECAUSE WE HAVE VICE LACT STANDARD AND NOT A MEDICAL STANDARD SO SAYING 15 WEEKS THEN NO MEDICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 16 AND 8 OR 4 SO OPENING THE DOOR FOR STATES TO PUT IN MORE RESTRICTIVE MEASURES NOW MICHIGAN CANNOT HAPPEN HERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE HAVE A GOVERNOR WHO WOULD VETO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

EVEN THAT SPECTOR IS NOT AS ENERGIZING BUT IT IS STILL A LOOTING ISSUE IF SIMPLY THE LAW IS UPHELD.

THE OF NOR HAS HUGE PROBLEM.

I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO COME OUT BECAUSE THEY HATE SO MUCH.

I HEAN THEY HAVE THAT GOING FOR THEM THE ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR THEM AND DUST LIKE SO MUCH.

WHAT THEY NEED IS SOMETHING FOR HER TO PLAINTIFF ON.

NOT JUST PENT PEPS THINK THINK DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING COMPLACENT AND THEY DON'T COME OUT WHEN THEY ARE NOT ENTHUSIASTIC FOR CANDIDATE SO I THINK KNEED THE TO FIND SOMETHING WHETHER IT IS BEING OVERTURNED OR SOMETHING ELSE INVOLVING ABORTION OR SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF YET.

SHE DOES NOT HAVE IT NOW.

>> THEY WERE OVERJOYED WITH ANOTHER PART OF THIS SUR THAT I HAVE SAID 93% OF THE PEOPLE THINK THE ROADS HAVE NOT BEEN FIXED DID YOU HEAR LOTS OF SCREAM ON THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

WITH CANNOT GET 93% ON WHETHER THE TIGER WILL ONE THE WORLD SERIES.

PROBABLY GOOD.

PROBABLY COULD.

GOVERNOR WHITMORE IS GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE NOR.

REMIND PEOPLE THE GOVERNOR PROPOSES DID NOT PLAY BALL.

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