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5/30/2024 | 55m 27sVideo has Closed Captions
May 30, 2024 - PBS NewsHour full episode
Thursday on the NewsHour, former President Trump is found guilty on all counts in his criminal hush money trial. President Biden gives Ukraine permission to fire U.S. weapons into Russia. Plus, a former senior State Department official on why she resigned in protest of U.S. policy in Gaza.
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May 30, 2024 - PBS NewsHour full episode
5/30/2024 | 55m 27sVideo has Closed Captions
Thursday on the NewsHour, former President Trump is found guilty on all counts in his criminal hush money trial. President Biden gives Ukraine permission to fire U.S. weapons into Russia. Plus, a former senior State Department official on why she resigned in protest of U.S. policy in Gaza.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipGEOFF BENNETT: Good evening.
I'm Geoff Bennett.
AMNA NAWAZ: And I'm Amna Nawaz.
On the "NewsHour" tonight: Former President Donald## Trump is found guilty on all counts# in his criminal hush money trial.
DONALD TRUMP, Former President of#the United States (R) ... will keep fighting.
We will fight# until the end.
And we will win.
GEOFF BENNETT: President Biden gives Ukraine# permission to fire U.S. weapons into Russia.
AMNA NAWAZ: And a former senior State Department## official on why she resigned in# protest of U.S. policy in Gaza.
(BREAK) GEOFF BENNETT: Welcome to the "NewsHour."
The verdict is in.
Former President# Donald Trump is found guilty on all## 34 criminal charges against# him in a New York courtroom.
AMNA NAWAZ: An historic moment,## as he becomes the first former president# charged and now co..
The case stemmed from Mr. Trump falsifying# business records to cover up hush money## payments to adult film actress Stormy Daniels# ahead of the 2016 presidential election.
Mr. Trump reacted after the verdict# and said this case is long from over.
DONALD TRUMP, Former President of the United#States (R) ...
This was a rigged#trial by a conflicted judge who is corrupt.
It's a rigged trial, a disgrace.
They# wouldn't give us a venue change.
We## were at 5 percent or 6 percent in this# district, in this area.
This was a rigged,## disgraceful trial.
The real verdict is# going to be November 5 by the people.## And they know what happened here, and# everybody knows what happened here.
GEOFF BENNETT: The judge has scheduled# sentencing for July 11.
That's just four## days before the start of the Republican# National Convention in Milwaukee.
William Brangham spent the day in# the courtroom and joins us now.
So, William, you were our eyes and# ears in the courtroom.
Tell us what## you saw when the verdict came# in and what the mood was there.
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Well, Geoff, this whole# afternoon suddenly capsized like the Titanic.
I mean, it was -- we were all expecting that# we were going to go home for the day.
The## judge had just been in the courtroom saying# the jury asked to be done for the day.
They## were going to go at 4:30 and be dismissed.
And# then, minutes later, he came back in and said,## actually, the jury has just passed me a# note saying they have received a verdict.
And the former president was# sitting at his defense table## and had been chatting amiably with# his lawyer.
And when that news came,## he suddenly stiffened very seriously# and sat still until the jury came in.
And then, for 34 distinct counts,# when they kept saying "Guilty,## guilty, guilty," the former president was just# staring straight ahead.
And it was clear then,## once all 34 counts were read,# how serious this all was.
The jury then filed out, went right in# front of the former president.
No one## made eye contact with him.
He seemed# to be staring straight ahead.
And,## as the former president filed out today, he was# as visibly angry as I have ever seen him.
I mean,## I have seen him in a few other# court cases here in New York City.
And he has fought with judges and seemed angry# and frustrated and perturbed.
This was as angry## as I have ever seen him.
He shook his son# Eric Trump's hand quite vigorously and then## walked out the door and stood in front of those# cameras and heard what we just heard from him.
So, just an incredibly striking day# and a very dramatic turn of events.
GEOFF BENNETT: William, does the relative# speed of the jury reaching a verdict,## does that make sense, in light of# what they asked for earlier today?
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: It does in some ways,# because the jury this morning heard two## different things at their request.# They wanted to hear jury instructions## and they wanted to hear a certain# type of testimony reread to them.
And both of those, now looking back in hindsight,# gives some clues as to what they were thinking,## because both of those things that they were# read today go right to the heart of this## case.
The first one was jury instructions# which detailed whether a defendant can be## found guilty if they orchestrated acts that other# people did, criminal acts that other people did.
And Donald Trump clearly, they seemed to believe,## is guilty of that.
The testimony that they# asked to relisten to today centered on this## famous 2015 Trump Tower meeting that many people# have pointed to as the sort of original moment## when the entire scheme that eventually undid# the president in this case was concocted.
This is where David Pecker of "The# National Enquirer," Michael Cohen,## his lawyer, and Donald Trump met and# created this scheme to become the eyes## and ears of the Trump campaign,# to look for any negative stories,## to pay people to stay quiet.
And that's what# eventually led to today's guilty verdict.
So, again, hindsight is always 20/20,# but it does seem, based on what they## wanted to hear this morning, that that is the# direction they were pointing.
And now we know.
GEOFF BENNETT: And lastly, William, what more do# we know about the sentencing?
What comes next?
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Well, as you mentioned,# the sentencing is right before the RNC## convention.
Each of these counts# carries a four-year $5,000 penalty.
We have no idea whether the former president# will be sentenced to prison.
New York state## judges have a lot of leeway to make that up.# He could very well be sentenced to probation## or house arrest.
I mean, this judge has# repeatedly said that he understands that## Donald Trump is running for president, that# he very well may likely be the next president.
And so he has said he wants imprisonment to# be a last resort.
But he has also said, if## he feels that that is appropriate, that he would# consider that.
So, again, we simply do not know.
The other thing that's important to remember is# that Trump has also been insulting this judge and## attacking him.
We heard a little bit of that# just a few minutes ago.
Every time he leaves## this courtroom, he attacks this judge.
And he# has recently attacked this judge's daughter.
Those things can be factored in as well,# but we won't know until later this summer.
GEOFF BENNETT: All right, that is William# Brangham in New York for us tonight.
William, thanks so much.
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Thanks, Geoff.
AMNA NAWAZ: Well, for more on the# verdict and the legal fallout,## we're joined now by two former federal# prosecutors who have been following the trial,## Jessica Roth of Cardozo School of Law in New# York and Renato Mariotti, an attorney in Chicago.
Good to see you both.
And I just want to start with ea..
I know we have talked about this before,# just to get your brief reaction to the## historic news that we have today of the first# former president now convicted of a felony.
Jessica, why don't you begin?
JESSICA ROTH, Yeshiva University Cardozo# School of Law: It is an extraordinary day.
This was the first trial of a former# president charged with crimes, and,## therefore, it is the first conviction of# a former president charged with crimes.
I thought that the jury's deliberations, the# speed with which the jury returned this unanimous## verdict on all 34 counts, spoke to how they really# didn't think this was a difficult case.
They asked## for testimony and for jury instructions to# be read back to them, as William was saying,## that highlighted that they essentially had no# trouble finding that these records were false.
And what they were interested in was finding out# if these records were falsifying a conspiracy,## intended to further and conceal a conspiracy# to promote Trump's candidacy for office.## That's what David Pecker's testimony# went to most clearly.
And David Pecker's## testimony corroborated Michael Cohen's account# of essentially how this conspiracy was launched.
So I thought it was very telling that# they asked for Pecker's testimony and## that they asked for the jury instruction# about accomplice liability.
That is the## mechanism that holds Donald Trump accountable# for the falsification of business records,## even if it was done through# the hand of other people.
AMNA NAWAZ: Renato, what about you?# What stands out to you on this day?
RENATO MARIOTTI, Former Federal Prosecutor: Well,## first of all, I should.. And it really, I think, is a day in which the# criminal justice system in the state of New## York worked.
Despite how difficult this was,# we did have a completed trial from beginning## to end.
The judge's rulings were within the# zone of what I would expect a judge to rule.
And, ultimately, the jury stayed together.
And we## had a full jury here and they# rendered a verdict at the end.
Regarding the verdict itself, I actually think it# was a case that was very winnable for the defense.## But they ended up losing this case because# they adopted their client's strategy.
I mean,## Trump likes to deny everything and attack# everyone.
And that's what they did here.
They denied the fact of an encounter between# Trump and Stormy Daniels.
They denied the hush## money scheme itself.
They claimed that all this# money was actually payment for legal services.## And they really didn't focus the jury on the# very technical legal defenses that they had,## instead mounting this sort of# attack-all-things defense that may## work in a rally or on a political program,# but does not work in a Manhattan courtroom.
GEOFF BENNETT: Jessica, tell us# more about the judge in this case,## Judge Juan Merchan.
He served# on the bench for some 17 years,## but this is by far the most high-profile# case to ever cross his courtroom.
Tell us about him and how he's# handled himself during this case.
JESSICA ROTH: I thought he# handled himself remarkably well,## despite being tested during# the course of this case.
Mr. Trump was attacking not only# the judge, but the judge's daughter,## which led to one aspect of the gag order,# which was to preclude Donald Trump from## speaking about the judge's family members.
And# despite those provocations, the judge remained,## I thought, remarkably calm on the# bench, even-handed in his rulings,## and really ran the courtroom in such# a way that there were no disruptions.
There was one defense witness called, Mr.# Costello, who was clearly disrespectful to## the judge, and the judge shut that# down immediately, but, notably,## did that outside the presence of the# jury, so that he would not be in any## way communicating to the jury his# views -- view about this witness.
So I thought he really did a remarkable job# controlling the courtroom, maintaining order,## and also running things very efficiently.
This## trial concluded far sooner than# many of us anticipated it would.
AMNA NAWAZ: Renato, walk us through what# happens next logistically, at least.
We're talking about a former president who's# under Secret Service protection.
After a## conviction like this, what normally happens?# What do we expect to happen in this case?
RENATO MARIOTTI: Well, he is out on# bond.
He is not imprisoned.
There## will be a sentencing.
That date has# been set, July 11, by the judge.
That## is, of course, in the midst# of the presidential election.
The judge will have that sentencing# in courtroom -- in the courtroom,## and Donald Trump will need to be there in court# again.
I do not expect that the former president## will be sentenced to a sentence of imprisonment.# I would be very surprised if that's the case,## given the sort of punishments that have been doled# out for the same charge in Manhattan in the past.
But, nonetheless, I believe he will# receive some punishment as a sentence,## and it remains to be seen what exactly that is.## It could range from anything from house# arrest to something much less than that.
GEOFF BENNETT: And, Jessica, in# the couple of minutes that remain,## Donald Trump's legal team can appeal this# verdict.
One imagines they will appeal it.
Did anything happen over the course of this trial## that would work to Donald# Trump's advantage on appeal?
JESSICA ROTH: There are a number of bases# on which I'm sure he will assert an appeal,## including some of the evidence that# came in, most notably, some of the## details that Stormy Daniels testified# about with respect to their encounter.
That might be the basis for an appeal, but# I don't think that it would prevail.
I think## the judge actually made sure that overly# prejudicial testimony did not come in.
And,## moreover, Trump didn't object# in a timely way to much of that.
I think there are some interesting# legal questions that could provide## the basis for appeal, including the use of# this New York conspiracy election statute## incorporating by reference other unlawful# means.
That is something that I'm sure will## be tested on appeal and that I'm sure# appellate judges would take seriously.
AMNA NAWAZ: Renato, what about you?
Do# you agree with that when it comes to a## potential appeal ahead and how it could play out?
RENATO MARIOTTI: I think that's right.
I do think that there was a numb.. regarding some pretrial motions, as well as# his ruling regarding the jury -- or his jury## instructions that he gave regarding the# agreement of the jury as to the unlawful## means by which the election was sought to# be influenced in the underlying campaign## finance crime that was allegedly law -- or now,# I should say, proven to have been concealed here.
I do think that there is -- there are some issues# there that there could be room for disagreement## and you could see some potential merit on appeal.# That said, I have to think that prosecutors are## very pleased right now, because, regardless of# what happens on appeal, they did prevail at trial.
AMNA NAWAZ: That is Renato Mariotti# and Jessica Roth joining us tonight.
Thank you to you both.
We appreciate your time.
JESSICA ROTH: Thank you.
GEOFF BENNETT: And we are, of course,## watching this historic verdict against the# backdr..
Joining us now are our politics team.
That's# Lisa Desjardins, who covers the Trump campaign,## and Laura Barron-Lopez, who covers the# White House and the Biden campaign.
AMNA NAWAZ: Great to see you# both.
Thank you for being here.
Lisa, kick us off here.
We heard President Trump's immediate# reacti.. been talking to your Republican# sources.
What are you hearing?
LISA DESJARDINS: Well, the Trump# campaign and Republicans are using## a single word over and over again# right now.
They're saying shameful.
I'm going to point to the statement# by House Speaker Mike Johnson,## who is the top elected Republican# in the United States right now.
He wrote: "Today is a shameful day in# American history.
This was a purely## political exercise, not a legal one.# The weaponization," as he calls it,## "of our justice system has been a# hallmark of the Biden administration."
So, obviously, they have the first president# ever convicted of felonies.
They're going to## say this was wrong and they're trying to put# the blame back on the Biden administration.
But when you go a little deeper# and talk to other Republicans,## some who opposed former President# Trump, like Asa Hutchinson,## the former governor of Arkansas, I spoke to# him a short time -- while -- a while ago.
And he said, no, this speaks to confidence in# the justice system.
He told me that this is a## very serious moment and he felt like# this was a very serious decision.
He## said he's not sure if this will make# a difference in the campaign.
It is,## however, potentially making a difference# in the dollars for the Trump campaign.
We have already seen just in the last hour since# the verdict was announced the WinRed site that## Republicans use for fund raising crashed because# of interest.
And a source tells me that, just## in the time it crashed, they believe they would# have raised half-a-million to a million dollars.
GEOFF BENNETT: So, Laura, how# is the Biden campaign reacting## to this?
One imagines they had a# plan for this potential outcome.
LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: So, first, I want to# address how the White House is reacting.
What the White House is essentially saying# that, my sources there, that President Biden## is not expected to address this verdict today# in any type of official form.
That could change## in the coming days, as -- if he gets questions# from reporters that are with him as he travels.
And White House Counsel's Office# spokesperson Ian Sams said that,## essentially, the White House respects the# rule of law and we have no additional comment.
But a Biden campaign aide that I spoke to# said that they never expected that any result## in this would ultimately help or hurt Trump.# Now, when it comes to the official statement## that the Biden campaign put out, they said# that: "In New York today we saw that no one## is above the law.
There is still only one way# to keep Donald Trump out of the Oval Office,## at the ballot box.
Convicted felon or not, Trump# will be the Republican nominee for president."
So, again, they're saying right# there that they think that they're## going to persuade swing voters based on# issues much more than on this verdict.
AMNA NAWAZ: And, Lisa, you have been# reporting on the potential impact,## right, as this trial coverage unfolds.
AMNA NAWAZ: This is against the backdrop# of a major presidential election.
Some of the polling has shown that some of# the -- most of the support for Mr. Trump## is baked in.
But do we have any idea what# this guilty verdict means for his support?
LISA DESJARDINS: Right.
Up until now, there's been real divide# over the bringing of these charges and## whether politics was involved or not.# And I know we have discussed that on## this program.
But as far as what they will# do, I want to point back to our polling.
We asked American voters, registered voters,# if the former president was found guilty,## would they be more likely or not to vote for him?# And among all registered voters, just 15 percent## said they would be more likely, but the same# amount said, about, 17 percent, said less likely.
Two-thirds of those said that it would make no# difference.
Let's look at Republicans, though,## in that same survey.
If Donald Trump is# found guilty, 25 percent of Republicans## said it would make them more likely to# vote for him, 10 percent less likely.
These are folks who identify as Republicans.# And what's happening there when you talk to## Republican sources is, this is Republicans# who believe that this was a setup,## a political event, and that's why they say it# would make them more likely to vote for him.
What does it mean to vulnerable Republicans,# especially?
I talked to Dave Schweikert,## this congressman from Arizona in# a toss-up critical seat that could## control the direction of the House.
He said# he doesn't think there will be a difference,## mainly, from voters.
He thinks that# voters are locked in right now,## that Trump has brought support downballot,# but he doesn't think that's changing.
There is some question from some deeper Republican# sources I talk to about the folks that Laura has## done great reporting on, the Haley voters,# those unhappy Republicans, independents,## who may secretly be Republicans, but aren't# comfortable saying they're Republicans anymore.
This is something Republicans will watch, is this# a kind of verdict that will affect those voters,## take them away from Trump or bring them to Biden?
GEOFF BENNETT: And picking up on your point,# Lisa, Laura, how is the Biden campaign -- how## does this affect their outreach to those# moderate Republicans and those voters who## supported Nikki Haley, who said they will never# support Donald Trump under any circumstances?
LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: The Biden campaign is# actively courting those Nikki Haley voters,## independents that lean to the# right, Republican moderates.
And one source close to the campaign told# me that they think that this would have an## impact at the margins and this election# is going to happen at the margins, that,## ultimately, that this creates a new# barrier for those moderate Republicans## to vote for Donald Trump.
Are they going to be# comfortable voting for now a convicted felon?
But I have some new reporting from# outreach by the Biden campaign,## specifically on this voter group.
The Biden# campaign held a call last night with roughly## a dozen or so former Republican lawmakers,# and specifically saying that they needed## their help with outreach to these voters# that they think are true persuasion voters.
And these Republican lawmakers told, former# Republican lawmakers told them on the call## to really enlist them and use them.
And# they agreed that they were going to create## essentially working groups where they were going# to -- some of these Republican lawmakers were## going to be tasked with trying to get bigger-name# Republican endorsements for the Biden campaign.
Some were going to be tasked as key surrogates# for the Biden campaign.
Some were going to be## working on trying to get local state Republicans# to swing over to Biden.
So this is -- just goes## to show you that the Biden campaign, with# the help of former Republican lawmakers,## is really trying to reach out# to these moderate Republicans.
And they think that the three areas# that they could potentially do this## on aggressively are threats to democracy# and extremism -- this verdict feeds into## that extremism -- reproductive# rights, as well as the economy.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, Lisa, look ahead for# us now and what we see ahead in the## campaign.
Is this a message# that you see former President## Trump leaning into?
Because it could# potentially motivate his base more?
LISA DESJARDINS: Absolutely, and not just him.
Let's talk about people like Elise Stefanik, the# chairwoman of the House Republican Confe.. her job to try and keep the majority# there.
She came out with a statement## quickly.
Her job is also to raise# money.
And we know that Republicans,## RNC, has had trouble keeping# pace with the Democratic Party.
This is something that we have already# seen as a fund-raising boon to them.## And you know that former President Trump# does well when it's us against the world,## when he paints it as though all of his# supporters are being attacked by someone.
This is an example of where you should# expect him to say that even more.
GEOFF BENNETT: Lisa Desjardins# and Laura Barron-Lopez,## our great thanks to you both# for that incredible reporting.
LAURA BARRON-LOPEZ: Thank you.
AMNA NAWAZ: All right, let's return now to William## Brangham in New York, who has been inside# the courtroom today on this historic day.
William, how does all of this fit into the broader## legal landscape that the# former president now faces?
WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Well, as you say,# Amna, this is the first trial of his## to go to actual -- to trial and# to be heard in front of a jury.
There are, as we have reported, three other# major cases that Donald Trump is facing.## There is the Georgia case, the Fulton County# case that alleges election interference with## state officials in the 2020 election, Trump# and many other co-defendants in that case.
But that trial has no date set.
The# lead prosecutor on that, the DA there,## Fani Willis, has a court that is# looking into whether or not she## should be removed from that case.# So there's no progress on that.
The second case is, of course, the January 6 case,## major federal case being brought# against Donald Trump for his role## in the January 6, 2020, election,# insurrection, trying to overturn that election.
That case, we know, is also going nowhere.# It is waiting on the ruling from the Supreme## Court as to whether or not Donald Trump# has immunity for any actions that he took.
The third case is the classified# documents case down in Florida## that is also a federal case.
The judge in# that case has postponed that indefinitely,## and it is on a fast track to nowhere.
So it is very likely that what has just# transpired here will be the only case## that Donald Trump faces a jury before the# election.
And many people have argued it's## inappropriate that voters will go to# the polls not knowing whether or not## the leading candidate is actually guilty on any# of these major cases that he is charged with.
We heard at the top of the program that# Donald Trump said that the real verdict## will be November 5.
And that is, in one way,# incredibly true, because, if he is reelected,## two of those three cases will go away, because# he is likely to appoint an attorney general who## will take over the Department of Justice and# eliminate those cases or dismiss them entirely.
That's the January 6 case and# the classified documents case## in Florida.
Both of those would likely# go away if Trump is president.
Georgia,## we're not so sure about, so a still very# uncertain future legally for Donald Trump.
AMNA NAWAZ: That is William# Brangham joining us in New York.
William, thank you.
GEOFF BENNETT: And we will be back in a# mome.. For those of you watching the "NewsHour," we will# be right bac.. Amna Nawaz: And another major story we're watching# today.
There's been a major change in U.S. policy## on arming Ukraine, in particular how the weapons# that Washington provides are used.
For the first## time, the white House will allow some U.S.# weapons to be used to strike inside Russia.## For more on that now I'm joined by Nick Schifrin.# So, Nick, tell us, what did the president decide?
Nick Schifrin: For the last two years, President# Biden has had two goals in Ukraine, not## necessarily complimentary, one, to try and prevent# Russia from taking over Ukraine and therefore send## U.S. weapons and money into Ukraine.
The second# is to avoid direct U.S. Russia confrontation,## and that led him to restrict the use of those U.S.# weapons so that Ukraine could not fire them into## Russia.
But in the last few weeks, some 30,000# Russian troops gathered on the border bombarded## Ukrainian towns like this one in the hard Kiev# district, and seized 12 villages around the## buffer zone.
Or what Russia is trying to create is# a buffer zone.
They've also bombarded Hakim City,## the second largest city in Ukraine.
Despite the# fact that Ukrainians were watching the Russian## troops gather right on the border and launch# this attack that everyone knew was coming.
And## yet Ukraine couldn't use those weapons to# try and prevent it.
And so a U.S. official## confirms tonight, quote, the president recently# directed his team to ensure that Ukraine is able## to use U.S. supplied weapons for counter fire# purposes in the Kyiv region so Ukraine can hit## back.
Kharkiv region is part of this statement.# This, a U.S. official who told me went on to say## our policy with respect to prohibiting the use of# long range strikes inside Russia has not changed.
Amna Nawaz: The very specific guidance there.# But this didn't happen in a vacuum.
There's## been a lot of international pressure on# President Biden.
What do we know about that?
Nick Schifrin: The British government# lifted its restrictions a month ago.
This## past week, the French president, Emmanuel# Macron, and the NATO secretary general,## Jens Stoltenberg, also said that Ukraine# should be allowed to use Western weapons## to fire into Russia.
But a U.S. official# tonight said that President Biden actually## made his initial decision on this two# weeks ago, May the 15th.
And so clearly## the international pressure has has increased.# But the U.S. decided this before that happened.
Amna Nawaz: Great reporting# from Nick Schifrin tonight on## this major change in U.S. policy.
Nick, thank you.
Nick Schifrin: Thank you.
AMNA NAWAZ:## In the day's other news: Israel's prime minister# is facing new pressure from within his own ranks.
The national unity party of Benny Gantz, who# sits on Benjamin Netanyahu's war cabinet,## said today that one of its lawmakers filed a# motion to dissolve Parliament.
In a statement,## the party said -- quote -- "Netanyahu, it's not# too late to come to your senses.
Either together,## we are victorious, or you continue alone# with the method of divide and rule."
The move follows an ultimatum that Gantz issued# in May demanding that Netanyahu lay out a postwar## plan for Gaza by June 8.
Back here, the U.S. State# Department today renewed its own calls for a plan.
VEDANT PATEL, Principal Deputy State Department# Spokesperson: It is imperative that our partners## in Israel have a vision for what the day# after this conflict is going to look like and## steps are taken to do whatever we can to help get# the region out of this endless cycle of violence.
AMNA NAWAZ: In the meantime, Slovenia's# government endorsed a plan to recognize## the Palestinian state today.
It requires# approval by the country's Parliament to## take effect.
That comes just two days after Spain,## Norway and Ireland officially recognized the# Palestinian state, which Israel has condemned.
Police in Detroit dismantled a pro-Palestinian# encampment at Wayne State University this## morning.
Officers arrested at least 12 people# after organizers refused to leave and declined## offers to meet with university officials.# The university's president cited health## and safety concerns and disruption to campus# operations as justifications for the crackdown.
The U.K. has joined the European Union# and human rights groups in criticizing## the conviction of 14 democracy activists in# Hong Kong.
They are among 47 people charged## under a 2020 national security# law that was drafted by China.
Several of the activists were seen entering court## ahead of the ruling.
They were# convicted of conspiracy to commit## subversion for their involvement in an# unofficial primary election in 2020.
Britain's minister for the Indo-Pacific said# today that the verdict -- quote -- "sends a## message that Hong Kongers can no longer# safely and meaningfully participate in## peaceful political debate."
The convicted# face a maximum sentence of life in prison.
Boeing officials spent three hours today# presenting the Federal Aviation Administration## with steps they will take to address safety# and quality issues.
The FAA gave Boeing 90## days to come up with a plan after a door plug# blew out during an Alaska Airlines flight in## January.
Since then, company whistle-blowers have# raised concerns about Boeing's safety culture.
The plan has not been made public,## but the FAA administrator said today# that it checks his agency's boxes.
MICHAEL WHITAKER, Administrator, Federal Aviation# Administration: What we were looking for was## a plan that's comprehensive, that's detailed,# and th.. addressed, like quality management, a more robust# safety management system, an environment where## employees feel that they can speak up and raise# safety issues, and better manufacturing processes.
And those are all elements of the plan.
AMNA NAWAZ: The FAA said it will not yet allow# Boeing to increase production of its best-selling## 737 MAX jets.
The company was ordered to slow# down output after the incident in January.
The Supreme Court sided with the# National Rifle Association today in## a case involving First Amendment# rights.
In a unanimous ruling,## the justices said that the NRA can sue a# former New York official who encouraged## companies to stop doing business with the# NRA after the 2018 Parkland school shooting.
In her opinion, Justice Sonia Sotomayor# wrote that -- quote -- "Ultimately,## the critical takeaway is that# the First Amendment prohibits## government officials from wielding their power# selectively to punish or suppress speech."
However, she added that the ruling does not# shield the NRA and others from regulation.
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts has# declined an invitation to meet with Senate## Democrats to discuss flags flown outside Justice# Alito's homes.
His response came in a letter in## which he said that -- quote -- "Participating# in such a meeting would be inadvisable."
Senate Judiciary Chair Dick Durbin and# Senator Sheldon Whitehouse had asked## for the meeting.
They want Alito# to recuse himself from any cases## involving the January 6 attack or the 2020# election after The New York Times reported## two instances in which flags associated with# insurrectionists were flown at Alito's houses.
The U.S. economy grew less than previously# thought in the first quarter of the year.## New Commerce Department data shows that U.S. GDP# expanded at an annual rate of 1.3 percent from## January to March.
That is down from an initial# reading of 1.6 percent.
That's also the weakest## quarterly growth since the spring of 2022.# Consumer spending also grew at a slower pace,## at just 2 percent for the quarter, amid# high interest rates and lingering inflation.
And on Wall Street, stocks fell as investors# digested that economic data.
The Dow Jones## industrial average dropped 330 points to# close at 38111.
The Nasdaq fell 183 points,## or more than 1 percent.
The# S&P 500 gave back 31 points.
Still to come on the "NewsHour": rising costs and# a supply shortage limit first-time buyers' ability## to purchase a home; and Nobel Prize winner Maria# Ressa on the future of journalism and democracy.
Another U.S. government official announced today## she has resigned to protest the Biden# administration's policy toward Israel.
At least half-a-dozen officials in the# State, Defense, Education and Interior## departments have done so since the war in# Gaza began following Hamas' October 7 attack.
The latest official is Stacy Gilbert leaving# the State Department after a 20-year career.
Nick Schifrin is back now with that story.
NICK SCHIFRIN: The officials who# helped shape America's national## security policy often disagree on# key decisions, sometimes publicly.
But the war in Gaza has created# more internal dissent and public## resignations than perhaps any# recent U.S. policy challenge.
And, today, Stacy Gilbert, former senior civil# military adviser in the State Department's Bureau## of Population, Refugees and Migration, wrote# -- quote -- "I cannot continue working for a## government that denies and enables Israel's# deliberate carnage in Gaza" -- unquote.
And Stacy Gilbert joins me now.
Thanks very much.
Welcome to the "NewsHour."
Why have you chosen to resign, rather than# fight for policy within the State Department?
STACY GILBERT, Former Senior State# Department Official: This follows## a lot of frustration about the policy, but# especially seeing what's happening in Gaza.
When this national security memo# directive came out in early February,## which directed the State Department and Department# of Defense to write a report to Congress assessing## countries on two things, their ability to# adhere to international humanitarian law,## also known as the law of war or the Geneva# Conventions, and whether they facilitate## and not block humanitarian assistance -- I# have worked in government for a long time.
I'm not one who relishes getting tasked with# more reports, but I thought, this is a report## that actually could have some impact.
I was# mostly focused on humanitarian assistance.
So, when the report came out on May 10,# and I read the conclusion, especially## the conclusion on -- that Israel was not blocking# humanitarian assistance, I decided I would resign,## because that was absolutely not the opinion of# subject matter experts in the State Department,## USAID, the humanitarian community,# organizations that are working in Gaza.
NICK SCHIFRIN: And those subject# matter experts included you,## because you were participating in the report.
STACY GILBERT: Yes.
Yes.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Let me bring it up.
Here's the quote from the State Department repor.. that the Israeli government is prohibiting or# otherwise restricting the transport or delivery## of U.S. humanitarian assistance within the meaning# of Section 620I of the Foreign Assistance Act."
That's a reference to a law about# humanitarian assistance.
Now,## as you say, that was not the opinion# of you, your other colleagues,## some of your other colleagues, in# the State Department and USAID.
And you write this -- quote -- "There# is abundant evidence showing Israel## is responsible for blocking aid.
To# deny this is absurd and shameful."
What is your evidence for that?
STACY GILBERT: There are databases.
For any day, you could get quantifiable data# about ho.. how many tons of flour have not been allowed in.# And, sometimes, things get in, but, most often,## things are delayed, blocked.
There are other# bureaucratic impediments to delivering that aid.
We have the data.
It is known.
The# organizations working on the ground## in Gaza have sent numerous reports# detailing those obstacles.
So to## look at that information and assess that# Israel is not blocking aid is ludicrous.
NICK SCHIFRIN: The report does criticize Israel# for -- quote -- "not fully cooperating" with## U.S. efforts to maximize aid delivery,# but it goes on to point out that Hamas## is embedded in the civilian population and# appropriated aid for military purposes.
And it points out that Israel substantially## increased aid in early to mid-April# as the report was being released.
So,## doesn't that mean that Israel was not blocking# aid at the time the report was released?
STACY GILBERT: Israel has been blocking# aid throughout this.
And it's like turning## on and off a spigot.
Sometimes, aid# comes in.
Often, it gets turned off.
And it is simply not enough to address the needs## in Gaza.
It hasn't been.
That's why# there is a famine.
Famine is not... NICK SCHIFRIN: The U.N. has not declared a# famine.
They have said famine is looming.
NICK SCHIFRIN: The World Food Program executive# director has declared famine in Northern Gaza.
STACY GILBERT: There is -- the# conditions for famine are there,## widespread.
It is severe malnutrition.
And the remedy for that is certainly more food.# The assistance that Israel allows in has been## minimal.
It has been turned on, turned# off.
And it's not just assistance going## in.
It's things like visas for aid workers.# It's a range of obstacles they have posed.
NICK SCHIFRIN: We should say that# Israel has said it doesn't block aid,## and it actually has blamed the U.N., as you know,## for the ability or inability, as Israel# has argued, in order to deliver that aid.
And you accused officials in the United States# State Department of denying the facts.
That's## a quote from your letter.
And here's what# deputy Spokesperson Vedant Patel said today.
VEDANT PATEL, Principal Deputy State# Department Spokesperson: We stand by## the National Security Memorandum 20 report.
We are not an administration or a# department that twists the facts,## and allegations that we have are unfounded.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Did the State# Department twist the facts?
STACY GILBERT: They did.
Again, I -- the subject matter experts# are in consensus on this that.. has blocked humanitarian assistance in many ways.
NICK SCHIFRIN: The report that# you drafted, that you saw,## the version of the report that you saw# was changed, you told me earlier today,## by undersecretary-level, kind of number three# level, underneath the secretary of state.
Isn't that normal, though?
Isn't it# normal for people like you to draft## things and then the ultimate decision goes to# high-level people, including the secretary?
STACY GILBERT: What typically happens# is, the subject matter experts draft## the report and it goes through a# clearance process.
That's very common.
In this case, subject matter experts# were removed from the report and it## was drafted at a higher level.
That's not to# say there aren't other constraints that the## humanitarian aid organizations face, but I'm# also resigning in part to speak up for them.
NICK SCHIFRIN: Stacy Gilbert, former# senior civil military adviser in the## State Department's Bureau of Population,# Refugees and Migration, thanks very much.
STACY GILBERT: Thank you.
GEOFF BENNETT: The cost of housing is a top# financial concern for voters this election## year, second only to inflation.
That's# according to a Gallup poll this month.
It comes as home prices in the U.S. jumped 6.5# percent in March compared to a year earlier,## making it the sixth time over the past year# that home price indexes hit a new record high,## all of this as interest rates remain at their# highest levels in more than two decades.
I spoke earlier with Alex Horowitz.# He's project director of the Housing## Policy Initiative at The Pew Charitable Trusts.
Alex Horowitz, thanks so much for being with us.
ALEX HOROWITZ, Housing Policy Initiative Project# Director, The Pew Charitable Trusts: Hey.
Gla.. be here.
GEOFF BENNETT: So one indi.. the number of first-time homebuyers# who are relying on their parents to## co-sign loans or to help with down# payments, it's as high as it's been## in at least 30 years.
That's according to a# Freddie Mac analysis of loan applications.
What are the implications?
ALEX HOROWITZ: So, right now, home prices are# about the highest they have been .. income.
And with interest rates being this# high and a structural shortage of housing,## housing affordability has gotten awfully tough.
And it is very tough to crack into# this market as a first-time homebuyer.
GEOFF BENNETT: And it strikes me# it also widens the divide between## those who can afford a home and those who can't.
ALEX HOROWITZ: So, we see that people# who are previously homeowners have## equity in that home.
And so it's much# easier to trade up to another home,## because the value of the home they're# in has been increasing as well.
But if somebody hasn't been in the market before,# then it's tough to break in, and rents are also at## an all-time high as a share of income.
So saving# up for a down payment has gotten the hardest that## it's ever been because residents are spending# so much on rent while they're waiting to buy.
GEOFF BENNETT: The U.S. is in a# long-term housing shortage right now,## with the construction of new# homes failing to meet the demand.
They also have people who locked in record# low interest rates during the pandemic who## are reluctant to move, for obvious reasons, all# told, a shortage of some seven million homes.
What does a viable policy solution look like?
ALEX HOROWITZ: So there are places# in the U.S. that have succeeded in## adding to their housing supply, even while# home construction in the U.S. is awfully## low and not keeping up with population# growth and the need for more housing.
And the places that have been successful have# made it easier to build.
That's true in cities,## it's true in towns, and it's true in states.
And# in those places that have added a lot of supply by## updating their zoning, by allowing townhouses,# duplexes, apartments, we see real results.
Affordability is improving in places# like Minneapolis.
It's improving in## places like Houston, even while it's# getting worse in most of the U.S. GEOFF BENNETT: What about California?# Because California lifted restrictions## to encourage more multifamily housing and# alleviate the state's housing shortage.
But two years after that law went# into effect, according to state data,## as reported by The Wall Street Journal,## the number of housing units completed is in# the dozens.
What went wrong in California?
ALEX HOROWITZ: That California# duplex law hasn't worked yet,## and it often takes more than one# try to get a state law right.
California enabled duplexes.# They're technically allowed,## but they left jurisdictions lots# of ways to block them.
And, again,## we're talking about at this point individual# homeowners looking at duplexes.
And so it## doesn't add enough to the housing supply only# to allow duplexes.
That's not a viable solution,## but really it's local regulatory barriers to those# duplexes that haven't been fixed in the state law.
When California first legalized accessory# dwelling units -- so that's a basement apartment,## a backyard apartment, a garage conversion --# they didn't get many.
And it took until 2017,## after they started trying in the '80s,## until they started getting serious# building of accessory dwelling units.
Now more than 100,000 of those# have come online in California,## but they needed a very strong# state law in order to produce them.
GEOFF BENNETT: So those states and# cities that have seen success in## encouraging more supply and density# of housing, what are they doing?
ALEX HOROWITZ: The foremost tactic that has# worked has been to make it easy to build## apartments near commerce or near transit, because# builders are ready to build apartment buildings.
They know how.
The main obstacle is that the# permitting is very difficult because most land## doesn't allow apartment buildings because of# local regulatory barriers.
But we see that## the cities that have made the most progress in# improving affordability have said yes to apartment## buildings.
They have said yes to it as a matter of# right in their zoning, so that builders know, if## they submit an application to build an apartment# building, they're going to be able to do so.
And now we're seeing states start to model their# laws on the success of those localities, with five## states now making it easier to build apartments# on land that zone commercial.
And that has a lot## of potential to add to the housing supply, even# though all of those state laws are very recent.
So we haven't seen them have a big effect yet.
GEOFF BENNETT: Alex Horowitz# is the project director of## the Housing Policy Initiative# at The Pew Charitable Trusts.
Thanks so much for being with us.
ALEX HOROWITZ: Thanks a lot.
AMNA NAWAZ: Amid a rise of authoritarians# and crackdowns on press freedom worldwide,## the future of news and democracy# are inextricably linked.
Nobel Prize-winning journalist# Maria Ressa, author of the book## "How to Stand Up to a Dictator" and# CEO of the digital news site Rappler,## has spent nearly 40 years on the front lines# of the battle for press freedom in her home## country of the Philippines and around the world.# She joins us now here for a deeper discussion.
Maria, welcome back.
Great to see you.
MARIA RESSA, CEO, Rappler: Thanks for having me.
AMNA NAWAZ: So, you are in town because# you're being honored by the .. Voices for your commitment to press freedom# in the Philippines and around the world.
On the press freedom front, I want# to ask you about what Reporters With## Borders recently shared from their# annual World Press Freedom Index.
They found that political pressure on media has## increased at an alarming rate.
Tell us# about why we're seeing this right now.
MARIA RESSA: I mean, it's hand in## hand with the deterioration, the# degradation of democracy, .. And you compare RSF with Freedom House, which# is a decline of seven -- in the last 17 to 18## years.
And then you put that together with the# Committee to Protect Journalists numbers.
The## attacks on journalists have increased as the# quality of democracy has gone down globally.
We have to sacrifice more to keep doing our jobs.
AMNA NAWAZ: When you look at the stakes, we# talk a lot about the U.S. election this year,## but this is really a key election# year around the world, right?
Globally, more voters than ever are heading to# the polls in 2024, representing some 49 percent of## the world's population.
When journalists# themselves are under this kind of political## pressure and under these kinds of attacks,# what's the potential impact on elections?
MARIA RESSA: This is let -- me throw another quick# stat, which is that Sweden has said -- there's a## think tank there that said 71 percent of the# world is now under authoritarian rule, right?
We are electing illiberal leaders# democratically, because journalists are## attacked, not just in the business model, not# just the government that wants to grab power,## but also the people, the trust of# the people in the news organization,## right, all this coming through information# warfare, information operations on social media.
And it is about to get worse, because# you now have generative A.I.
coming in,## so you're going to get industrial-grade propaganda## coming at you, and you won't be able to# tell the difference from fact and fiction.
AMNA NAWAZ: On that tech front, because# you focus a lot there on the intersection## between big tech and journalism,# you wrote recently, and you said:## "What's clear is that journalism won't# survive if we don't build our own tech."
What should journalists be# doing now that we're not?
MARIA RESSA: So, look, essentially, democratic# governments, including the United States,## have outsourced technology for the public# sphere to private companies driven by profit.
And this business model, surveillance# capitalism, Shoshana Zuboff# wrote about it.
That book didn't come# out until 2019.
We didn't even know.## Our data is being collected, we're being cloned,## and microtargeted.
It's a different business# model from a news organization, right?
You're going to different the personalization# of your reality.
But the difference with that,## though, is if you have 100 people and they have# their own personalized realities, they would be## in an insane asylum.
So, globally, this is what# we're creating because of surveillance for profit.
And that surveillance for profit has# to stop.
Impunity must be stopped,## because it has been used by China, Russia,# Iran to microtarget the cellular level of## democracy.
This is why, starting in 2016 in the## United States, you have had Russia -- Russian# disinformation touch 126 million Americans.
This is data that was released by the# Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018.
AMNA NAWAZ: At the same time,# what we're seeing is really a## coming together of some news companies# and big tech firms with A.I.
technology.
We just saw in the last couple of days,# last week, "The Atlantic," Vox Media,## and Wall Street Journal owner News Corp# making deals with OpenAI to develop products,## to access their archives.
What do# you think the future holds there?
MARIA RESSA: Generative A.I.
has not been# proven.
It is still speculative, at best.
And neither A.I.
of social media nor generative# A.I.
are anchored in facts, right?
So what we are## doing when we cut deals with these companies is# the same mistake we made with social media when we## took the share button and put it on our Web sites.# We're giving away valuable, our -- in that case,## our relationships with our community to social# media that allowed the growth of Facebook.
Meta, the world's largest distributor# of news now, just last year decided they## were going to choke traffic to digital# news sites, right?
So you lose control.
On generative A.I., by giving that,# right, you're going to get a fraction## of the kinds of investments that# are walking into these companies,## right?
And, again, it will# not be anchored on facts.
AMNA NAWAZ: Maria, you spoke# recently at Harvard's commencement,## and there was a powerful moment you pulled# from your own experience as a journalist## under attack in the Philippines and# the advice that you gave to them.
And you said this: "These times# will hopefully teach you the same## lesson I learned.
You don't know# who you are until you're tested,## until you fight for what you believe# in, because that defines who you are."
What do you hope this next generation of# journalists and leaders takes away from that?
MARIA RESSA: You know, I speak# with both our young journalists,## because Rappler is a young organization.
Our# median age is 25 years old.
We're about 100,## 120 people, right?
Median age is 25.
And when we came under attack,# it wasn't just the -- our young## reporters, but it was also their# parents you have to deal with,## right?
And the question they always ask# is, why do you want to be a journalist?
But you know what?
When we came under attack,# all the friction of a news organization,## running a news group fell away.
The mission# became everything.
This is the time that will## define whether facts, evidence-based# thinking, whether that will win.
AMNA NAWAZ: Maria Ressa, we are so# grateful for your leadership in this## space and for making time to come# talk to us.
Always great to see you.
Thank you.
MARIA RESSA: Thanks for having me.
AMNA NAWAZ: And before we go, an# update to our lead story tonight.
Donald Trump has become the first former president# to be convicted of felony crimes.
A New York jury## today found him guilty on all 34 counts of# falsifying business records and covering up## hush money payments to adult film actress Stormy# Daniels as he was running for president in 2016.
GEOFF BENNETT: Mr. Trump's sentencing# is scheduled for July 11, just days## before the Republican National Convention begins.
And that is the "NewsHour" for# tonight.
I'm Geoff Bennett.
AMNA NAWAZ: And I'm Amna Nawaz.
On behalf of the entire "NewsHour"# team, thank you fo..
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