STAND BY.

>> FROM OUR STATE HOUSE STUDIO IN MONTGOMERY, I'M TODD STACY.

WELCOME TO CAPITOL JOURNAL.

A WILD DAY IN THE LEGISLATURE TODAY AS THE SESSION WINDS DOWN TO THE END.

WE'LL START TONIGHT'S COVERAGE IN THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WHICH HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON LEGISLATION THAT WOULD REVAMP AND REORGANIZE THE STATE'S ETHICS CODE.

WE'VE REPORTED THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS ON HOUSE BILL 227, FROM REPRESENTATIVE MATT SIMPSON, WHICH AIMS TO SIMPLIFY THE ALABAMA ETHICS CODE AND REORGANIZE PROSECUTORIAL JURISDICTIONS.

THE BILL PASSED OVERWHELMINGLY IN THE HOUSE, BUT RAN INTO TROUBLE IN THE SENATE WHEN IT DREW OPPOSITION FROM BOTH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE ETHICS COMMISSION.

>> THIS BILL WILL REVAMP THE ETHICS LAWS AS THEY ARE IN ALABAMA.

THIS IS A BILL HAS COME FROM MANY YEARS, NOT JUST THIS BILL, BUT MANY EFFORTS IN THIS BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THE ETHICS LAWS MAKE SENSE.

THE GOAL BEHIND IT IS IN CLARITY.

AND IN THE CONFUSION -- >> I HADN'T READ IT COMPLETELY BUT I DO HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR BILL.

AND WE SEE THE SUBSTITUTE THAT'S BEFORE THE COMMITTEE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEBODY MAY NOT BE VOTING, WITH LESS THAN 24 HOURS TO LOOK AT THAT CLOSELY AND THE SPONSORS AND EMAIL THAT OUT.

BUT THAT COMMITTEE DID HAVE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS BUT THIS BILL SEEMS TO GO FAR BEYOND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> I THINK, THOUGH, THAT IF WE'RE GOING FOR CLARITY, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I'M NOT SURE WE ACHIEVED THAT.

THIS OBVIOUSLY SEPARATES SOME CRIMES FROM SOME CIVIL OFFENSES BUT WITH A BIG OVERLAP WHEN ONE MAY BECOME THE OTHER.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BECOME THE BIGGEST PROBLEM AS FAR AS SEEKING CLARITY HERE.

WE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS ON IDEAS HOW YOU GET THERE.

AND MAYBE IF WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, WE COULD HAVE WORKED IT OUT.

THERE'S ROOM FOR COMPROMISE, ROOM FOR MIDDLE GROUND.

>> THE COMMITTEE DID NOT VOTE AND COULD TAKE UP SUBSTITUTE LEGISLATION TOMORROW.

THAT WOULD BE THE LAST CHANCE THE BILL WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR COMMITTEE.

THE GAMBLING PACKAGE DID NOT COME BACK UP TODAY AND WORD IS IT IS LIKELY DEAD FOR THE SESSION.

BUT ITS LARGE SHADOW STILL LOOMED OVER OTHER PROCEEDINGS TODAY.

HERE'S HOW.

THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE STALLED SENATE BILL 219, THAT'S THE BILL PAVING THE WAY FOR A NEW, STATE OF THE ART AGRICULTURE EVENT CENTER IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, A PROJECT PROMOTED BY THE ALABAMA FARMERS FEDERATION, BETTER KNOWN AS ALFA.

THAT LED MOST IN THE STATE HOUSE TO SPECULATE THAT PROPONENTS OF THE GAMBLING PACKAGE IN THE HOUSE WERE RETALIATING AGAINST ALFA FOR ITS OPPOSITION TO THE GAMBLING PACKAGE.

LATER ON IN THE SENATE, THE SPONSOR OF THAT AG CENTER BILL, SENATOR SHAY SHELLNUTT, LED A PROLONGED FILIBUSTER ON THE SENATE FLOOR TO SLOW DOWN BUSINESS, ALSO IN RETALIATION TO HOUSE MEMBERS FOR DELAYING HIS BILL.

ALL THIS LED TO SOME SPARKS FLYING ON THE SENATE FLOOR.

>> THAT FARM CENTER BILL.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO MY DISTRICT.

WE PASSED OUT HERE, THE HOUSE CHANGED IT.

IT CAME BACK TO COMMITTEE.

WE HAD THE CONFERENCE.

AND ALL THREE SENATORS SIGNED OUT ON THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.

AND ONLY ONE REPRESENTATIVE SIGNED OUT.

THE OTHER TWO DID NOT SIGN OUT.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

THAT'S WHERE I AM.

AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO PASS THE BUDGET AND GO HOME.

THERE'S NO OTHER HOUSE BILL, LOCAL BILLS.

I'M SORRY FOR YOU.

>> I THINK YOU ARE BEING VERY SELFISH AND SHORT-SIGHTED.

AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT, BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT WE WANT.

THIS IS A DELIBERATIVE BODY, IT'S A DEMOCRACY.

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE IT LIKE A BIG BOY JUST LIKE I TOOK MY OWN THE OTHER DAY, LIKE A BIG GIRL.

I SAID MY PIECE AND LEFT IT ALONE.

>> AND SUCH AS IT IS IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS LATE IN THE SESSION.

WE'LL GET BACK TO THE SENATE IN A BIT, BUT IT WAS THE HOUSE TODAY WORKING RELATIVELY QUICKLY THROUGH A CALENDAR OF BILLS TO GIVE THEM FINAL PASSAGE.

SENATE BILL 157, FROM SENATOR ARTHUR ORR, WOULD ALLOW SCHOOL TEACHERS GREATER FLEXIBILITY TO EXPEL STUDENTS FROM THE CLASSROOM IF THEY ARE DISRUPTIVE.

BUT SOME LAWMAKERS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER EXPULSION WAS THE RIGHT ANSWER.

>> WHAT THIS BILL WOULD DO IS TO AUTHORIZE TEACHERS TO EXCLUDE DISRUPTIVE STUDENTS UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, WOULD PROVIDE PROCEDURES FOR RETURNING DISRUPTIVE STUDENTS TO CLASS.

WOULD AUTHORIZE A PRINCIPAL TO SPELL A STUDENT WHO HAS BEEN EXCLUDED THREE TIMES IN A MONTH WOULD REQUIRE THE BOARD OF EDUCATION TO ADOPT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR THIS BILL.

AND WOULD GIVE CERTAIN IMMUNITIES AND WITH THE BOARDS, AND COMPLY WITH SPECIAL EDUCATION LAW AND FOLLOWS THE DUE PROCESS BILL THAT SENATOR SMITHERMAN AND REPRESENTATIVE COLLINS SPONSORED.

>> WHEN WE TOOK GOD OUT OF SCHOOLS, PART OF YOUR PROBLEM ARRIVED.

WHEN YOU TAKE THE PADDLE OUT OF THE HAND OF THE TEACHER, PART OF YOUR PROBLEM ARRIVED.

I HAVE TO HEAR THIS CONVERSATION EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM MY WIFE BECAUSE SHE DEALS WITH THE DISCIPLINE IN HER SCHOOL.

AND I TELL HER EVERYDAY, YOU NEED A RESIDENT BUTT WHOOPER IN YOUR SCHOOL TO HANDLE THE DISCIPLINE.

>> SENATE BILL 98 ALSO FROM ORR AIMS TO BEEF UP PUBLIC SCHOOL SECURITY BY OFFERING LOCAL SYSTEMS THE RESOURCES AND POLICY NEEDED TO BETTER SECURE SCHOOLS.

REPRESENTATIVE TERRI COLLINS CARRIED THE BILL IN THE HOUSE.

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>> TAKES UP THE SCHOOL SECURITY INSPECTIONS.

USES A COLOR RATING, RED, GREEN, YELLOW.

HAS GRANTS TO FUND THOSE WITH THE GREATEST OF NEEDS.

IT HAS MAPPING IN COLLABORATION WITH ALEA, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S AT THE UPPER LEVEL.

THEN, IT INCLUDES OUR LOCAL LEVEL, IN EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL SYSTEM CHANGING SCHOOL SECURITY COORDINATOR TO DISTRICT SAFETY COORDINATOR, SO WE KNOW IT'S FOR THE WHOLE DISTRICT.

IT SETS UP WHAT QUALIFICATIONS THOSE PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE AND WHAT THEIR DUTIES WOULD BE.

AND IT REQUIRES THEM TO ANNUALLY HAVE A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THEIR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, BE IT POLICE OR SHERIFF, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, FIRE, AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

>> BACK UP IN THE SENATE, THE LAST OF THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT BILLS SAW FINAL PASSAGE TODAY.

HOUSE BILL 358 FROM REPRESENTATIVE ANTHONY DANIELS WOULD OFFER EMPLOYERS TAX CREDIT INCENTIVES TO PROVIDE CHILD CARE AND ALSO EMPLOYEES TAX CREDITS TO MAKE THAT CHILD CARE MORE AFFORDABLE.

HOUSE BILL 346 FROM REPRESENTATIVE CYNTHIA ALMOND ESTABLISHED THE WORKFORCE HOUSING TAX CREDIT, WHICH WOULD TAP INTO FEDERAL RESOURCES TO OFFER DEVELOPERS INCENTIVES TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR WORKERS.

SENATOR CHRIS ELLIOTT CARRIED THE BILL IN THE SENATE.

>> YOU'VE SEEN AROUND BALDWIN, TUSCALOOSA, AND LEE AND HUNTSVILLE, BIRMINGHAM AREA WHERE THE COST OF LIVING AREA IS SO EXPENSIVE.

AND DEVELOPERS CAN BUILD MULTI-HOUSING AND CHARGES AND THE MARKET IS SKY HIGH.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND FILL THE NICHE IN THAT MARKET.

AGREEING FOR THESE CREDITS PROVIDE ESSENTIALLY WORK FORCE HOUSING, KEEP OUR RESTAURANTS OPEN, THE HOTELS STAFFED AND OF COURSE, ANY OTHER INDUSTRIES OUT THERE THAT NEED THIS TYPE OF HOUSING ASSISTANCE.

>> IT IS PROVIDING A CRITICAL NEED TO PROVIDE WORK HOUSE HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE STATE, PARTICULAR WHERE TOURISM IS IN THAT REGARD, AND VISAS TO BRING IN WORK FORCE AND BEING ABLE TO HOUSE THE PEOPLE, THAT IS, THE FEDS ARE INCENTIVIZING THESE CREDIT US GO WITH THE FED CREDITS TO HELP MAKE THESE HOUSES AVAILABLE FOR OUR WORK FORCE.

>> ALL THOSE BILL GO TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER NOTABLE BILLS RECEIVING FINAL PASSAGE TODAY.

SENATE BILL 53, FROM SENATOR ARTHUR ORR AND REPRESENTATIVE SUSAN DUBOSE, WOULD ALTER CHILD LABOR LAWS TO ALLOW TEENAGERS TO WORK AFTER SCHOOL JOBS FOR THREE HOURS A DAY WITHOUT CONSENT FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT.

SENATE BILL 191, FROM SENATOR SAM GIVHAN AND REPRESENTATIVE MARGIE WILCOX, AUTHORIZES THE ABC BOARD TO BUILD OR BUY ITS OWN LIQUOR WAREHOUSE.

SENATE BILL 231 FROM SENATOR ORR AND REPRESENTATIVE SCOTT STADTHAGEN PROHIBITS STATE INCENTIVE DOLLARS FROM GOING TO COMPANIES WHO VOLUNTARILY ALLOW UNIONS WITHOUT A VOTE OR WITHOUT A SECRET BALLOT VOTE.

AND SENATE BILL 238, FROM SENATOR JABO WAGONER AND REPRESENTATIVE TIM WADSWORTH, ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SALES FOR A SELECTED AREA OF CULLMAN COUNTY SLATED FOR A MAJOR RESORT.

ALSO, RECEIVING FINAL PASSAGE TODAY WAS THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

IT'S ON ITS WAY TO GOVERNOR KAY IVEY WHO SAID SHE LOOKS FORWARD TO SIGNING IT.

THE EDUCATION TRUST FUND BUDGET DID NOT RECEIVED FINAL PASSAGE TODAY.

HOWEVER, IT ONLY REQUIRES ONLY A CONCURRENCE VOTE BY BOTH CHAMBERS TOMORROW TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK.

TODAY MARKED YOM HOSHOA IN THE LEGISLATURE.

THE DAYS OF REMEMBRANCE FOR THE HOLOCAUST.

THE HOUSE WELCOMED LEADERS FROM THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AS WELL AS CHILDREN OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS FOR A REMINDER OF THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING THE MEMORY ALIVE SO IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

>> TODAY IS THE NATIONAL -- NOT NATIONAL -- IT'S THE WORLD HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY, MAY 7 OF THIS YEAR.

WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR ON THE FLOOR AND RECOGNIZED THAT DAY.

I THINK EVERY YEAR SINCE 2015.

YOU HEARD RABBI CRAMER GAVE THE PRAYER TODAY AND SPEAKING ABOUT RUTH AND HER SISTER.

THERE'S OTHER SURVIVORS, INCLUDING THEM, WHO HAVE SAT RIGHT HERE ON THE FLOOR.

AND WE RECOGNIZE THEM.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS YEAR, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SURVIVORS WITH US HERE TODAY.

WE STILL HAVE SOME LEFT THAT LIVE IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA BUT WE'RE LOSING THEM EACH YEAR.

BUT I WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT WE RECOGNIZE THEM.

YOU ARE GOING TO SEE PICTURES OF SURVIVORS, MANY OF WHOM SAT ON THIS FLOOR AND YOU RECOGNIZED THEM.

>> AND I'LL SPEAK WITH TWO OF THOSE LEADERS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF YOM HASHOA WHEN WE COME BACK.

>> TODD STACY: WELCOME BACK TO "CAPITOL JOURNAL."

JOINING ME NEXT, DOCTOR PUCKETT, PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AT TROIF UNIVERSITY.

AND RABBI SCOTT CRAMER.

GENTLEMEN, THANKS FOR COMING ON THE SHOW.

PROFESSOR, I MENTION THAT YOU ARE CHAIRMAN OF THE ALABAMA HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE COMMISSION.

Y'ALL HAVE THIS GREAT CEREMONY TODAY AND BROUGHT TO IT THE LEGISLATURE TODAY FOR Y, A DAY OF GREAT REMEMBRANCE.

NOW, TELL US WHAT IT MEANS, IN THE WORLD WITH MARKING YOM HASHOA.

WELL, IT'S THE DAYS OF REMEMBRANCE FOR THE VICTIMS OF THE HOLOCAUST, SURVIVORS OF THE HOLOCAUST AND INITIALLY IT WAS INCLUDED THE LIBERATORS OF THOSE SURVIVORS.

ALTHOUGH, IN ALABAMA, WE HAVE NO LIBERATORS REMAINING.

SO, WHAT WE DO EVERY YOM HASHOA.

IT LASTS FOR A WEEK, IT'S THE U.S.

HOLOCAUST MUSEUM DESIGNATED AS THE DAYS OF REMEMBRANCE.

FALLS ON DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE SPRING IN THE JEWISH CALENDAR.

BUT WHAT WE DO, WE COMMEMORATE THE HOLOCAUST.

WE REMEMBER THE VICTIMS, HONOR THE SURVIVORS WHO WERE THERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR WHICH WE'VE YOM HOSHOA NO SURVIVORS ATTEND.

WE JUST HAVE SO FEW THAT NOW AREN'T ABLE TO TRAVEL OR BE OUT IN PUBLIC.

SO, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, AT THE COMMEMORATION, TODAY, WE YOM HOSHOA A SECOND GENERATION SURVIVOR, DOCTOR ROBERT MAY IN BIRMINGHAM SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST.

SHE CAME AND SHARED HIS EXPERIENCE WITH US.

AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HONOR THOSE WHO PERISHED AND HONOR THE SURVIVORS AND EDUCATE.

EDUCATE IS REALLY THE MAIN GOAL OF THE ALABAMA HOLOCAUST COMMISSION TO EDUCATE THE NEXT GENERATION.

>> TODD STACY: SO, RABBI, THE WORDS NEVER AGAIN RING ON DAYS LIKE THIS, YET, IT'S HARD TO GET THE WORDS OUT WITHOUT RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT OCTOBER 7TH HAPPENED AND IT WAS THE LARGEST SLAUGHTER OF JEWS SINCE THE HOLOCAUST.

SO, WE'RE HERE DOING THESE DAYS OF REMEMBRANCE AND THAT'S LOOMING LARGE.

WHAT'S THAT BEEN LIKE OVER THE MONTHS FOR THE JEWISH COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY AS THE WAR HAS RAGED ON.

>> IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.

THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T KNOW SOMEBODY WHO IN ISRAEL IS CONNECTED WITH SOMEBODY THAT WAS LOST.

AND WE'RE NOT TALKING SOLDIERS.

WE'RE TALKING CIVILIANS, WOMEN, CHILDREN THAT WERE SLAUGHTERED MOSTLY, NOT ONLY AT A MUSIC FESTIVAL, BUT PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES.

PEACEFUL KIBUTTZES.

AND THERE ARE NO WORDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT TRAGEDY THIS IS.

AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE STILL OVER 90 HOSTAGES ALIVE.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.

BUT ALL WE WANT TO DO IS BRING THEM HOME.

>> TODD STACY: RIGHT.

>> NONE OF THE SURVIVORS COULD MAKE IT TO THIS EVENT TODAY.

THIS EVENT HAS HONORED THE SURVIVORS AND WE GOT TO SIT WITH THEM AND HEAR THEIR STORIES.

AND TO BE AT A TIME WHEN WE CAN'T HEAR THEIR STORIES ANY MORE IS UNCONSCIONABLE TO ME.

>> TODD STACY: I'M CURIOUS AND I'LL BE WITH YOU IN A SECOND, DAN.

BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE CONGREGATION, YOUR TEMPLE.

WHAT'S IT, HAS IT BEEN LIKE, AS THESE PRO TESTS HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL ON MANY COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

IT MAY HAVE STARTED AS AN ANTIWAR PROTEST BUT IT'S GOTTEN TO PRETTY CLEARLY ANTI-SEMITIC, JEW HATRED UNDERTONES QUITE FRANKLY.

HOW HAS IT BEEN FOR JEWISH COMMUNITY TO SEE THIS LIVE ON TV, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER REALLY SEEN BEFORE.

YOU KNOW, I GET ASKED THIS A LOT.

YOU KNOW, ONE CAN BE PRO ISRAEL AND STILL NOT LIKE SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL DOES.

>> TODD STACY: SURE.

>> AND I THINK THAT BUT TO MAKE THE ENVIRONMENT IN THIS COUNTRY THAT MY GRANDFATHER CAME FROM RUSSIA TO BE IN A COUNTRY WHERE HE DIDN'T HAVE TO FEAR.

AND HERE WE ARE AT THE OTHER END OF THE GENERATION, THE THIRD GENERATION, AND WE'RE FEARING WALKING ON A CAMPUS.

HOW UNCONSCIONABLE IS THAT?

AND MOST OF MY CONGREGANTS FEEL THAT.

ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE KIDS IN COLLEGE.

WE YOM HOSHOA A TEACHER AT TROY THAT NOW TEACHES AT UCLA AND HE TOLD ME WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE, AND HOW THEY HAD TO CLOSE DOWN THEIR SCHOOL BECAUSE MOSTLY, HE TEACHES AT A JEWISH DAY SCHOOL.

AND THEY ARE ON CAMPUS.

AND HE SEES THESE PRO TESTERS AND HAS SYMPATHY FOR WHAT THEY ARE PROTESTING BUT NOT THE ANTI-SEMITISM.

>> YOU ARE IN ACADEMIA AND WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT THESE PRO TESTS HAVEN'T COME TO ALABAMA.

AND I THINK THERE'S PRETTY GOOD REASON FOR THAT.

BUT THE QUESTION I KEEP GETTING AND KEEPS GETTING TOSSES AROUND IN PODCASTS AND ON TWITTER, HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT?

HOW DID WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE THERE IS SUCH A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THIS GENERATION OF STUDENTS THAT IT JUST SHOCKS THE SYSTEM TO SEE LARGE GROUPS OF ANTI-JEWISH PRO TEST ANY DISCUSSION IN ACADEMIA, LIKE, GOSH HOW DID WE GET HERE?

>> THERE IS.

AND THERE'S NO GOOD ANSWER FOR THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND PUT IT IN CONTEXT, WITH THESE PRO TESTS, ANTI-SEMITISM, FRONT AND CENTER, BUT THIS IS NOT NAZI GERMANY.

THIS IS NOT 1930S OR THE 1940S OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND THAT'S NOT TO MINIMIZE THE DANGER THAT MANY OF THE JEWISH STUDENTS AT PLACES LIKE UCLA OR IN THE NORTHEAST ARE SUFFERING.

BUT IT IS AN OUTSPOKEN MINORITY THAT IS DOING THIS.

ONE THAT'S BEEN AIDED AND ABETTED BY SOCIAL MEDIA, BY AN UNREGULATED TYPE OF SOCIAL MEDIA.

YOU SEE THIS ON WHAT WAS TWITTER, X, AND ON INSTAGRAM, SO MANY DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS.

WE'RE CONNECTED.

AND THESE GROUPS CAN NOW CONNECT IN WAYS THAT FRANKLY THEY COULDN'T GENERATIONS AGO.

SO, I DON'T THINK THAT ANTI-SEMITISM HAS EVER LEFT.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF AMERICAN LIFE.

BUT I THINK THAT IT HAS BEEN MINIMIZED FOR THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS.

AND THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS A VERY LOUD, SMALL MINORITY WHO IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS.

THOSE WHO ARE PRO TESTING THE WAR -- PROATESTING THE WAR, OR YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ADVOCATING.

ESPECIALLY THE VERY YOUNG.

>> TODD STACY: AND YOU MENTIONED SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE A LOT OF IT SEEMS TO BE VERY PERFORMATIVE, SOCIAL CACHE IN BEING IN SOLIDARITY IN THE ENCAMMENTS AND THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO GET BEHIND THEM.

VERY WELL STATED, VERY TOUGH TO ANSWER.

AND ANOTHER FOLLOWUP ON THAT, FOR BOTH OF YOU.

WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

WHETHER IT'S COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

IF I TOLD YOU THAT -- FIVE YEARS AGO, GOSH, THREE YEARS AGO -- AND I WOULD BE ASKING YOU ABOUT THE RAMPANT ANTI-SEMITISM PROBLEM IN AMERICA.

I WOULD HAVE LAUGHED.

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

BUT GIVEN WHERE WE ARE, MAYBE WE HAVEN'T FULLY DISSECTED IT.

TALK ABOUT WHERE WE GO FROM HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN AND THAT PEOPLE ARE PROPERLY EDUCATED.

DOES THE HOLOCAUST COMMISSION ON TIMES LIKE THIS PLAY A BIG ROLE TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE HISTORY.

I'LL START WITH YOU.

>> I THINK IT DOES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TASKED WITH, WITH THE ALABAMA HOLOCAUST COMMISSION IS PROMOTING HOLOCAUST EDUCATION ACROSS THE BOARD AND ALSO ADDRESSED ANTI-SEMITISM.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THE HOLOCAUST OCCURRED.

AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, AND REALLY THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER.

WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS.

BUT EDUCATION HAS TO BE THE KEY.

YOU CAN'T JUST SHUT DOWN SPEECH.

THE PROTESTS.

SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUT NOT BEING VIOLENCE ON OTHERS.

AND IT'S REACHING THE UNINFORMED, WHO CAN'T DISCERN WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT'S NOT.

WE'RE ALL STILL REELING FROM OCTOBER 7.

AND TRYING TO FIND WHAT WE SHOULD DO, WE'RE ALL WORKING.

WE REALLY ARE.

>> THERE IS A TIME FOR DIALOGUE AND I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE ARE REALLY WILLING TO LISTEN RIGHT NOW.

I WAS ASKED TO TALK AT AN INTERSEMINARY CONFERENCE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, MOSLEMS, CHRISTIANS, AND WE WANTED TO TEACH EACH OTHER ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE INS LIFE.

AND I CHOSE TO SPEAK ABOUT HATE.

I USED SOME BIBLICAL PASSAGES AND THE CONCLUSION THAT I CAME TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO HATE SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW.

IT'S EASY TO JUST SAY, OH, I DON'T LIKE THAT GROUP OR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.

I ADVOCATE THAT WE TRY TO GET TO KNOW AS MUCH PEOPLE AS WE CAN.

AND I YOM HOSHOA AN I MA'AM AFTERWARDS AND GAVE ME A BIG HUG.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER.

I'M MA'AM IMMAM.

NOW, LISTEN TO THEM, NOT CUT THEIR STORY.

HOW IT EFFECTS YOU, HOW IT EFFECTS ME.

AND NOW, LISTEN TO MINE.

HOW CAN WE GET TOGETHER.

HOW WE GOT HERE?

I THINK A LOT OF IGNORANCE GOT US HERE.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT ISRAEL IS AND WHAT IT'S ABOUT, WHAT IT STANDS FOR.

BUT IT IS THE ONLY PLACE IN THE WORLD THAT JEWS CAN GO TO FEEL FREE.

TO FEEL UNHATED.

AND YET, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS >> TODD STACY: WELL SAID.

AND VERY TIMELY.

I APPRECIATED YOU TAKING YOUR TIME AFTER THE EVENTS OF THE DAY TO HELP OUR VIEWERS UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING ON.

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> TODD STACY: WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

>> TODD STACY: THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR TONIGHT.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW NIGHT AT THE SAME TIME WITH MORE COVERAGE OF THE ALABAMA LEGISLATURE RIGHT HERE ON APT.

FOR OUR "CAPITOL JOURNAL" TEAM, I'M TODD STACY.