>> Hi.

I'm Lewis Howes, New York Times best-selling author and entrepreneur.

And welcome to "The School of Greatness," where we interview the most influential minds and leaders in the world to inspire you to live your best life today.

In this episode, award-winning professor Katy Milkman shares her top secrets for beating procrastination in order to create positive growth in our lives.

I'm so glad you're here today.

So, let's dive in, and let the class begin.

♪ ♪ ♪ Why do you think it's so hard for people to want to change and create the life that they truly want, the desires they have, the dreams?

Why is it so hard when there's that many people feel stuck to actually make those changes?

>> Internal barriers -- one of the biggest actually is status-quo bias, the tendency to want to stick to whatever path you're on, to feel like any deviation from it will be a loss.

It's frightening.

It's overwhelming.

And so, it leads a lot of us to keep doing things that aren't productive, to stay in ruts.

>> There seems to be, like, a lot of people who are in relationships that aren't fulfilling them, and they're doing this for months or years.

But maybe they're so used to the pain, or they're just comfortable with the frustrations that it's -- they stay in it because it's less painful than the unknown of something else or... Would that fit into the status-quo bias?

>> Yeah, no, it absolutely would.

And it would also fit into escalation of commitment, which is another bias that has been extensively documented -- the tendency we have when we're on a path to stick to it, in part because we tend not to ignore sunk costs.

>> It's like three years of my life over this person, all this time invested.

I can't get that back.

>> That's right.

You can't get it back.

All the birthday presents that you purchased... >> Everything, everything.

>> ...and obsessed over, you know.

>> The house we bought together, the trips we've taken on, the family integrations.

>> All of those things that they're irrecoverable, they're historical, they're behind you.

You can't get them back.

We tend to weight that, and we shouldn't.

What you need to do is think about, "What are my options going forward?"

You know, what are the costs and benefits of either path -- staying with this person or, you know, moving on?

What are those cost-benefit paths?

But we focus on these sunk costs and think, "Oh, I can't give that up."

But you're not going to get it back no matter what, whether you stay in it or not.

>> It's in the past.

>> It's in the past.

And I think it's part of the reason that we would stay in a relationship or in a job that isn't working out.

>> Right.

>> Escalation of commitment is really common, and the sunk-cost bias is a big part of that.

>> Escalation of commitment.

>> Even once we decide we want to change, even once we've ignored the sunk costs and... >> Sure.

>> ...gotten over the status-quo bias, now we have a whole bunch of things holding us back from actually getting to where we want to be.

>> What are those things?

>> The first one is actually literally the getting-started problem, right?

>> Yes, yes.

>> So, you know you want to change, but, like, when are you really going to do it?

Then, I go to impulsivity.

We tend to overweight the instant gratification we'll get from our decisions, like, "It's going to taste so good to eat this," or "It's going to feel so great to scream at this person" or, you know, "It's going to be really exciting to buy this" instead of setting aside money for retirement.

We focus on the present at the expense of our long-term benefits.

That's another major barrier.

Procrastination is related to impulsivity.

We put things off because they don't feel great in the moment.

Then, we've got forgetting, which I actually think most people underestimate the importance of.

We forget a lot of important things, and we don't get to things because it's just not at the top of the priority list.

And we don't put it there, and we mean to put it there, and we don't.

Our motivation to make change, it ebbs and flows.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> There are times when we are in a more reflective, action-oriented, change-oriented mode and times when we're more pessimistic or just sort of going with the flow because we're, you know, in the middle of things.

And there are certain moments that feel like a new beginning in life.

>> Mm -- birthday, New Year's.

Yeah.

>> Yeah, there are moments that feel like, "Okay, I'm turning a page.

A new chapter's open."

>> An anniversary, a graduation.

>> Move to a new community -- right?

-- a new job.

>> A new job, a new city, yeah.

>> You got it.

Those are all fresh-start moments.

Actually, there's trivial ones, too, but they can matter.

Like, the start of a new week can feel like a fresh start.

>> That's true.

>> We feel like, "This is a moment when I want to step back and think big picture about things" because you recognize that there's that break point.

You think actually about your life, like you're a character in a book.

>> Mm.

>> The way we organize our memories and structure them, it's not linear completely.

Instead, it's like, you know, the college years, you know, the years playing sports... >> Right.

>> ...the years living in Boston, whatever they are.

That's how you structure your memories, and that means there's actually implications to the way you live your life, because when you get to one of those chapter breaks, that's when you do this big-picture thinking.

>> Interesting.

>> And you also tend to feel like your identity is shifting, right?

>> Yes.

>> So, you, like, step into a new role.

You can look back and say, "Well, you know, last year in my old job, when I was a graduate student, I didn't manage to eat right.

But that was the old me, and this is a new me."

And so, you feel this sense of optimism and disconnect from those past failures.

>> Right.

Can you share more just about identity in general and how it hurts us or helps us?

>> One of the barriers we haven't talked about yet to change that I think is really important is whether you believe you can change, and identity and mindset are a big part of that.

So, we know a lot about mindset from work, for instance, by Carol Dweck at Stanford... >> Yes.

>> ...who's done this incredible -- >> The growth mindset versus fixed mindset.

>> Exactly.

>> It's powerful.

>> And that's sort of an identity, right?

You identify with being someone who can grow, or you identify as someone who is "X," right?

Like, you know, "I'm only this smart.

I'm only this capable."

So, in a sense, there's an identity that comes with believing you can grow or an identity that comes with believing you can't.

There's also wonderful research on the placebo effect.

>> Yes.

>> If you believe a sugar pill is going to make you healthier, you actually experience physiological benefits.

When we believe that we will achieve something, that also can improve our achievement -- right?

-- when we believe we're going to get an outcome.

>> How would you suggest that we learn to believe in ourselves more?

>> I think the most powerful thing is who you surround yourself with.

>> Really?

>> The people you work with, the people you train with, if you're an athlete, the people you socialize with, they give you a lot of those beliefs in yourself... >> Really?

>> ...and you can choose them with the messages they send you about what's acceptable behavior, what's normal, what they're achieving, and how you measure up.

It shapes so much about our confidence.

>> Are there ways we can build inner confidence without other people believing in us?

>> I do think you can go out and find these people... >> Mm-hmm.

>> ...even if you don't have them, and that we should proactively be creating those structures, right?

>> Yes.

>> So, if you want to build a habit, the best way to do it is not, like, standing in the same place, doing it exactly the same way every single time.

>> Sure.

>> That's never how you would practice in sports, and that would never work out when you're out on the field or out on the court, right?

You've got to be in variable conditions and preparing for anything that can arise.

>> Worst-case scenarios, yeah.

What are the most common behaviors that we have that I guess hold us back?

And then what are the behaviors that -- of the ultra-high performers, successful, you know, in business and sports?

>> So, the most common things we get stuck on are things related to our health, right?

We aren't making good decisions about what we eat, what we drink, whether we smoke, whether we're physically active.

We get stuck in bad social loops.

We sort of started by talking about relationships.

So, I think that's another place we get stuck, whether it's we feel like we're too shy.

>> Yes.

>> We're not meeting enough people.

We're meeting the wrong people.

We're in the wrong relationships.

That's another area where we get stuck.

I think education and career -- if you're a student, you're trying to achieve, but we often get stuck on not really studying rigorously and putting the time in and the focus in, and then that converts to work, where we're not being as productive as we could be.

We're not setting ourselves up for success.

>> And what are the behaviors of the ultra performers or the elite, who are accomplishing all their goals and pursuing their dreams?

What are those behaviors that they do really well?

>> Leaning on structure as opposed to expecting to just sort of follow the Nike "Just do it" mantra.

>> Schedule, structure, accountability, coaching, investing, like, money into it all so there's more investment in it.

So, it's like you've got to show up.

>> I think you can break down most big goals into its component parts.

It might not be as simple as, like, literally redoing the math... >> Yes.

>> ...but it might be, you know, "I want to have a better relationship, and I want us to spend more quality time together."

>> Yes.

>> "Let's try to spend a lot more quality time together this year."

Well, first you can get more concrete -- right?

-- than "a lot of," and so, say you had a monthly goal.

It might be like, okay, "I want to make sure that we go on, you know, five just-us dates a month" to have that alone time.

You might say, "That means, you know, every Friday plus one Saturday we're going to do it."

>> Mm-hmm.

>> And that means, you know, once a week plus one week that has two times.

"Let's go map out when they are."

It all becomes more bite-sized... >> Yes.

>> ...and achievable.

And this is, again, you said you're, like, mapping out your schedules.

Most people say, like, "I'm going to look for the most efficient route."

And, like, a small fraction of people say something different.

They say, "I try to find a way that I'll enjoy getting to that end destination."

>> Have fun.

>> Somebody who's like, "I'm going to just go to the gym and get on the..." >> And grind it out.

>> "...on the treadmill and grind it out."

>> It's gonna be hard every day.

>> Yeah.

And another person is like, "I'm going to go on a run with a running group.

We're going to go through beautiful trails that I know.

We're gonna do it together."

Those are really different paths, right?

Like, this one might be more efficient because you don't have to coordinate with other people.

You'll do it every day.

You're going to, like, know exactly your mileage.

It's going to be really controlled.

>> Yes.

>> But it turns out if you don't enjoy it, you don't persist.

>> Ah!

>> Some people sort of said, you know, "I will eventually do it," or "I'll do it, you know, I'll do it once a week."

And other people laid out real detail in their plans, and they had sort of if/then statements, like, "If it is a Thursday at 4:00 p.m., then I will go train for my marathon in this location," as opposed to "Sometime this week, I'll get around to it."

The more structure, the more clear it was, what's the cue that's going to trigger the behavior, the more follow-through.

And then, accountability, which you've mentioned a bunch of times... >> Yes.

>> ...does, you know, absolutely the research supports.

When someone else you care about, when they're holding you accountable, it matters because it changes the cost-benefit calculus of achieving your goals.

>> What would you say is the number-one thing we need to know about changing our behavior for the better?

>> What are the barriers for you and match the tools that you put together to build your strategy to what's holding you back.

So, if you're struggling with "I just dread doing this activity," then find a way to make it fun.

If you don't believe you can, then you need a new social structure and set of supports.

>> What's the biggest thing you want to change in your life right now?

>> Right now, I think the thing that I am struggling with most is work-life balance.

>> Then which category would you want -- >> Procrastination.

>> What tool should you be looking at more, and how should you be applying that tool from the moment you leave this interview for the next couple months?

How could you integrate that tool into your life?

>> Accountability and commitment are some of the things that are probably the most powerful here.

I've already instituted this in part because of these issues.

Like, my phone goes away during dinner with my family.

>> That's great.

>> When we're out doing activities, it needs to be away because otherwise I'll be tempted to check and see, "Oh, you know, is there something coming up from work that I should be responding to?"

What are you working on?

>> Oh, man.

I think I put a lot on my plate.

I have a lot of big goals and big dreams and aspirations with my mission, in terms of the people we want to reach and impact, with the business, business goals, building the team, financial goals, with my health and, like -- >> You sound like a workaholic, too.

>> I'm a passionate human that wants to develop more skills to serve the world better.

>> It's just mapping out the details, really... >> Yes.

>> ...of how you're going to get -- you know, when you start doing that, for a bunch of goals, you sit down and do them all at once?

>> It's a lot.

>> It's overwhelming.

>> It's too much.

>> And you get demotivated.

It's too much.

And I actually -- you talked about the seasons of your life, which I think is a beautiful way of describing one of the strategies that can get around this problem that has been pointed to.

And that is like, you know, one at a time do the planning.

>> I look at my life in seasons always, since I played sports.

I couldn't play football and basketball at the same time.

You've got to be all in on that sport for that season.

Now, I did do track and baseball in the same season one time.

It was very challenging.

>> [ Laughing ] That's tough.

>> I would run track meets, and then I would go pitch in baseball games and just pitch games my junior year in high school.

And it was doable, but I wasn't... >> All in.

>> ...at the highest level at either one.

I was good.

I was effective.

But I wasn't the best I could be at either one.

In sports, inside of a season, there is typically a preseason, a season, the playoffs, and then the postseason.

And the postseason is always a time to reflect.

"Do I want to do this next year?

Do I want to retire from this?

What are my goals for next year?

How am I going to train to prepare for the preseason and then the season?"

And I think that's always a good time, as well, just to take that time, whether that's the holidays, where you take time to reflect on the next year, the fresh start to see, "What are my goals again?"

How could we apply pledging in our, you know, life around a relationship, your finances, or your health?

>> Actually, interestingly, society is already set up with a lot of pledges involved in relationships without, you know, us even getting involved, right?

>> "I'm engaged.

I'm gonna get married.

This is my boyfriend."

>> Right!

>> "I'm not single anymore."

>> Right, and we're talking about, you know, sunk costs -- wedding rings.

>> Right, right.

>> These things are all related, right?

And it's interesting that these structures have bubbled up, even though the research that sort of proves how effective they are came decades, hundreds of years later in many cases.

>> Really.

>> But, you know, a lot of the things that exist that help us be true to each other or, you know, even if you think about taking professional pledges when you become a doctor, the Hippocratic Oath, a lot of these kinds of pledges, they're already there.

But one thing the research points to is can we build more of them, and how can we use them and how can we create ways that even when there isn't a structure -- right?

-- can you commit or pledge to each other in some way that will make your commitment to each other more meaningful and more powerful?

>> Yes.

>> So, anyway, it is interesting to see how society has already built some of this in and then think, "Can we take inspiration from it and from the research to build more of it in other places?

>> Right.

Can you talk to me about temptation bundling... >> Yes.

>> ...and what temptation bundling is and how we can utilize it for our lives?

>> I decided I was only going to let myself enjoy indulgent entertainment while I was exercising at the gym.

>> Right.

So, if I really want to watch the "Kardashians," I need to be on a treadmill or doing it here, where I can enjoy it while moving my body.

>> You got it.

So, for me, it turns out -- I've already admitted I'm a nerd.

So, no one's going to be surprised to hear this.

And, also, like, I can only handle so much sensory input.

So, I did it with audio novels.

>> Yes.

>> I couldn't do -- TV was, like, too much.

I couldn't follow the characters and everything.

>> Yeah, yeah.

>> So, you know, James Patterson, Alex Cross-style, actually, Harry Potter.

I love Harry Potter and, like, Voldemort, what's going to happen next?

So, I would only let myself listen to those books at the gym, and I would find myself then coming home from this long day of classes craving a trip to the gym.

>> Excited, yeah.

>> So excited -- what's going to happen to Alex Cross next?

Is he gonna get -- you know, is he gonna escape?

Is he gonna get the bad guy?

And then I'd get to the gym.

Time would fly while I was there because the workout isn't painful.

It's fun.

I didn't even notice.

Sometimes I worked out too long because I wanted to hear what happens next.

>> Wow.

>> And then I come back.

When I'm done, I'm refreshed.

I'm rejuvenated.

I've had my break.

I was ready to dive into my classwork.

And I turned around, you know, my grades improved a lot, thank goodness, because I was having a tough time there for a little while in grad school.

And it was just all better because I had figured out by linking a chore with a temptation, I could make it fun.

And we already talked about the importance of making it fun for persistence.

This is just a tactic for doing it.

So, I have since done research, teaching people to temptation-bundle, giving them temptations to hook with a chore.

Improves outcomes in terms of exercise, but you can think about porting it to other places, like only listen to this podcast, if it's somebody who loves your podcast... >> Sure.

>> ...while you're, you know, cooking your family a homemade meal or while you're catching up on household chores or while you're going for a run.

What is the thing that you sometimes don't do, put off because it's not instantly gratifying?

Can you link something you love with it?

>> Mm-hmm.

>> A snack you only let yourself pick up when you're heading to hit the books.

Make it social can be a way to make something fun, right?

>> Right.

>> That can be the temptation bundle.

"I only get to see my best friend when we're going for neighborhood walks and getting in our..." >> That's cool.

>> "...morning exercise.

And we'll gossip only at that time.

That's when we'll reserve the gossip, for the exercise walk."

So, what are the ways that you can find... >> Right.

>> ...something that you love?

Hook it to something.

>> The guilty pleasures with a healthy habit.

>> You got it.

College-transfer students, when they're transferring to a new college in a totally new community versus just, like, they're still living in the same environment with the same habits and friends and just going to a different, you know, "I used to go to this college down the street.

Now I'm going to that college."

>> Right.

>> The more disruption there was to your environment, the more that habit disruption came along with it.

And people were able to build better and different exercise routines.

>> Really?

Like, improvement and change would happen when you -- >> Right.

More easily when there's that shift.

>> A drastic change, a drastic physical change, the environment change.

>> Yeah.

>> Interesting.

So, moving, like, in a different state or a different climate or a different just like all-around environment will help you shift -- >> Or a different job... >> Got you.

>> ...a different place you hang out.

Whatever it is, the physical change can actually sort of help, in addition to that fresh-start psychological change... >> That's cool.

>> ...is what I think the research points to.

>> What else do we need to know about behavioral change to support us in accomplishing and achieving our goals?

>> Flexibility.

>> Flexibility is key.

Not consistency is key.

>> Flexibility was key.

And we're like, "What?

What's going on?"

So, we dig in.

We're analyzing this data.

We're like, "What's going on?"

The people who had gone more consistently at their regular time, they did keep going a little bit more often at their special time.

So, if you're a 7:00 a.m. person, you're going a little bit more at 7:00 a.m. if you were in that rigid group than if you're in the flexible group.

But they're rigid.

That's the key word.

>> It's almost like if you miss that time, "I'm not going at all."

>> That's right.

>> "I missed the day.

So, I'm not going to go at noon or 5:00 or 7:00."

>> They don't go if they've missed their 7:00 a.m. That's it.

They give up on themselves.

It's an "only under these circumstances" kind of habit.

The flexible people, they go a tiny bit less at their regular time.

But if they miss that time, they have another time.

They have a backup plan.

They have a backup plan after that.

So, they're going to the gym more net-net, because they've built this flexible strategy.

Like, they have their first best, their second best, and their third best.

They've built a no-matter-what habit, if you will.

>> "I'm going to do this at midnight if I have to or 11:00 p.m., as long as I get it in."

>> They've learned how to roll with the fact that life is not consistent.

>> Life's not perfect, yeah.

>> And so, you know, they have a most regular time, but they also have a next-best time and so on instead of an only, rigid routine.

I think that's what we learn from, and it's so important if we're trying to build good habits, if we're trying to build routines that will last to understand that we need to, okay, have a first best, but have a second best and third best and practice being flexible as we're trying to build up that performance.

So, it's related to failure... >> Yeah.

>> ...which was the other thing I said we hadn't talked about, because flexibility is about -- >> Ha!

You don't fail... >> Right.

>> ...because you can shift it.

>> Exactly.

>> Whereas if I have to do it at 7:00 a.m. and I don't make it, and I'm done for the day, I failed.

That's interesting.

So, tell me more about failure.

That was the next thing you were going to say, right?

>> Almost inevitably we fail when we're trying to achieve anything ambitious.

>> Okay.

>> And a lot of people don't get back up again.

It's so important.

>> Why do we not get back up?

Because it's so defeating, or it's deflating, or we told people we were going to do this, and then we let them down or we let ourselves down or...?

>> All of the above, you know?

All of the above, or we don't have a growth mindset or, you know, we think maybe something else will be easier.

>> Or perfectionists.

And so, then we procrastinate if it's not perfect or... >> There's a million reasons.

That's one of the challenges, and that's what makes it so hard to solve.

But we know a little bit, and flexibility seems to be one of the key things.

You know, having a growth mindset so you can say, "That failure isn't diagnostic of me, but it's an opportunity to grow and learn, and I can get better and do better the next time."

So, these are some of the things, but I think we need a lot more.

Marissa Sharif, who is a professor at Wharton with me, has this really cool research on what she calls emergency reserves.

I call them mulligans.

And the idea was, she's going to set that tough goal but give herself some emergency reserve, some sort of like -- if you play Monopoly, like, the "Get Out of Jail Free" card... >> Yes, yes.

>> ...that you save for the real emergency, but you've got it in your back pocket, and then you can declare like, "Everything's okay.

I'm going to use this now."

>> So, three times a month I can go emergency card, like, "I'm exhausted.

I didn't sleep well last night.

I got too much on my plate today."

So, these are one of three days that I can say, "It's okay, and I'm not a failure."

>> And it's got to be limited.

>> Right.

>> So, it doesn't become like, well, every day is an emergency.

>> Well, I'd never work out -- yeah, yeah.

>> And she thinks calling it an emergency is important, even though I like to call it a mulligan because you don't want to be tempted to use it.

>> Yeah.

>> She says she actually almost never takes it, but what she does is she sets, like, seven-days-a-week goal, but she gets two emergency reserves.

She almost never takes them.

If you do that kind of structure -- right?

-- the seven-day-a-week tough goal, she compares that to what about just a five-day-a-week goal, which is structurally the same as seven days with two "Get Out of Jail Free" cards.

>> Yes.

Interesting.

>> Or you get the seven.

>> Which one's -- >> Seven days with the emergency reserves crushes the other two.

Just much better performance because you're striving for that tough goal, but you don't give up on yourself if you have a miss.

>> So, having the mulligan method or approach... >> Yeah.

>> ...to your recovery-from-failure strategy is a good strategy is what I'm hearing you say.

>> Yes, yes.

I think that understanding and appreciating the value of things like cheat meals, emergency reserves, it lets you forgive yourself.

And that's the fundamental thing.

>> Yes.

>> Like, failures happen.

Understand how to forgive yourself.

It can be through flexibility, which we talked about, sort of having the backup plan to the backup plan to the backup plan instead of an "if only" plan.

And it can be with these kinds of sort of thinking about how will I give myself an emergency reserve or a mulligan so that -- being prepared for life to throw you curve balls in different ways... >> Yes.

>> ...I think seems really important to success.

>> How else do we learn how to recover from failure... >> That is -- >> ...so we don't beat ourselves up, like... >> Yeah.

>> "I'm horrible.

I'm a loser.

I suck.

I'm no good.

I can never do this because I keep failing over and over again."

>> Yeah.

>> I think a lot of us are in beat-up mode.

>> If you've built your team and your support structures and, you know, recovering from failure also has to do a lot with confidence... >> Yes.

>> ...to know that you can get back up and that there is another chance and that it's okay.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> I think that social support can be an important part of recovery, as well.

>> This is called the Three Truths question.

It's a hypothetical scenario.

So, I'd like you to imagine you get to live as long as you want to live, but, for whatever reason, it's your last day on Earth... >> Whew!

>> ...and you've created and accomplished everything you want to create and accomplish in your life, many years away from now.

But, for whatever reason, you've got to take all of your work with you, or it's got to go somewhere else.

All your written work, the audios, the videos, the research papers got to go with you somewhere else.

But you get to leave behind on a piece of paper, you get to write down three things you know to be true from all your lessons in life, whether it be from research and academics or just life lessons, the three things you know to be true that you would want to kind of share with the world, and this is all we would have to remember you by are these three truths or three lessons.

What would you say would be those for you?

>> If you want to achieve your potential, if you want to achieve your goals, find a way to make the path to achievement fun.

It cannot be painful.

Number two is probably about fresh starts.

Life is full of these moments that give us renewed confidence in ourselves, renewed motivation, a sense of a new beginning and a clean slate, and that by looking for opportunities to create chapter breaks when things aren't going right, we can get further.

You know, I'd like to do even more research on this to prove this in a million different ways.

But what we know already is it's clear these moments arise.

They help us pursue our goals.

We can call them out and help people achieve more.

So, fresh starts are there.

They're real, they're coming, and they can give us the opportunities we need to grow.

>> Yeah.

>> I think my third -- you have to create flexible approaches to achievement that you cannot be too rigid, that rigidity is the enemy of habit and success because life throws you curve balls constantly.

And, you know, of course, routinization -- we all understand that there is sort of a habit loop and when we want to build.

>> Yes.

>> But we have to build it with a recognition of the real world and the real constraints we'll face.

So, I think those are my three.

>> What's your definition of greatness?

>> People who are -- there's a North Star, something, a purpose and meaning and mission that's driving them forward creates greatness to me.

And that's when I see someone who has that clear North Star, that purpose, and they've built their life, created the structures to support it, and are sort of leaning towards it in all aspects of themselves.

To me, that's greatness, and it can be seasonal.

So, the North Star can change seasonally, but seeing someone who's really lined up everything because they have that North Star and purpose -- that's when I feel like I'm in the presence of greatness.

>> Love it.

Katy, thanks so much.

Appreciate it.

>> Thank you.

>> We hope you enjoyed this episode and found it valuable.

Stay tuned for more from "The School of Greatness" coming soon on public television.

Again, I'm Lewis Howes.

And if no one has told you lately, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.

And now it's time to go out there and do something great.

If you'd like to continue on the journey of greatness with me, please check out my website lewishowes.com, where you'll find over 1,000 episodes of "The School of Greatness" show, as well as tools and resources to support you in living your best life.

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