>>> MANY OF OF THE BATTLES WAGED IN IS IT INDIANA GENERAL ASSEMBLY BREAK DOWN ON PARTY LINES, BUT FROM TIME TO TIME INDIANAPOLIS FURS THE REST TO HAVE STATE.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE STATE ENCOUNTERS A CHALLENGE THAT DOESN'T PLAY FAVORITES?

WHEN DEMOGRAPHIC DIVISIONS MEAN NOTHING AND EVERYTHING REGARDLESS OF AGE AND AFFILIATION, 18 SAYSTY OR ACCOMPLISHMENT IS EQUALLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO A THREAT?

HI I'M JON SCHWANTES AND ON THIS WEEK'S SHOW WE'LL EXAMINE THE RESPONSE TO THE SCOURGE THAT IS MENTAL ILLNESS THE.

>>> THE DIAGNOSIS, STREAM AND IS IT PREVENTION OF MENTAL ILLNESS ISs VIRTUALLY TESTIFY HOOSIER FAMILY CAN ATTEST A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND AS SUCH WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.

I'M PLEASEs TO WELCOME TO THIS TABLE, INDIANA LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SUZANNE CROUCH, CHAIR OF THE INDIANA ROUND TABLE ON MENTAL HEALTH, REPUBLICAN SENATOR MICHAEL CRIDER OF GREENFIELD, PRIMARY AUTHOR OF THE BILL I MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE RITA FLEMING OF JEFFERSONVILLE, AND STHEPHEN MCCAFFREY, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF MENTAL HEALTH AMERICAN OF INDIANA.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR THIS IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CROUCH, LET ME START WITH YOU, YOU'VE BEEN -- THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT YOU'VE CHAMPIONED FOR SOME TIME.

YOU WERE INVOLVED THE CREATING THE ROUND TABLE A FEW YEAR AGO BACK, YOU'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL THIS TESTIFYING.

SOMETHING OF AN UNUSUAL STEP FOR A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IN THE LEGISLATURE.

WHY THE PASSION FOR THE ISSUE OF METH?

>> THE HUMAN COST OF THIS PANDEMIC IS HUGE AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW FOR YEARS TO COME.

ONE OUT OF FIVE HOOSIERS STRUGGLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH AND ASTICK AND WE ALL KNOW HOOSIER THAT HAVE FACED THOSE CHALLENGES.

MY BROTHER STRUGGLED WITH DEPRESSION.

WE BURY MY BROTHER, HE WAS AN ALCOHOLIC, AND MY SISTER DIED IN HER EARLY 2020S AND OUR DAUGHTER COURTNEY IS 15 YEARS SOBER AND BIPOLAR SO WHEN YOU HAVE LIVED WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE MET THOSE CHALLENGES AND STRUGGLED THEY'RE OUT ON THEIR OWN, THEY THERE ARE GENES THAT PRE-DISPOSE THEM TO THESE CONDITIONS AND THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO AND YOU HAVE TO SPEAK OUT.

ONE MEMBER OF MY FAMILY SAID THEY GOT ALL THE BAD GENES IN OUR FAMILY.

BUT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE PEOPLE CARTS TO PLAY AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SENATE BILL ONE IS ABOUT.

>> YOU HAVE FUND FUND ANALOGY OF THE IMPACT IT CAN HAVE ON ANY FAMILY.

REGARDLESS OF STATUS ANDING NORTH INCOME.

SENATOR CRIDER YOU LOST A FRIEND TO SUICIDE AND THIS IS AN ISSUE YOU MENTIONED DURING IN THE SESSION THAT THIS IS KIND OF THE ONE THING THAT -- AND I'M PARAPHRASING, THE ONE ISSUE THAT LITERALLY AFFECTS EVERYBODY.

>> I THINK WHAT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAID AND TRYING TO BREAK DOWN THE STIGMA IS SO SOMEBODY BECAUSE LITERALLY MENTAL ILLNESS AND ADDICTION DOES NOT CARE WHAT YOUR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS IS, WHAT YOUR EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT IS IT LITERALLY AFFECTED MORE OF MY CONSTITUENTS THAN ANY OTHER ISSUE, SO EVERY SESSION I TRY TO MEET WITH THE PROFESSIONALS LIKE STEVE AND OTHERS TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT I CAN DO AS A LEGISLATOR TO BE HELPFUL AND I HAVE LOST A GOOD FRIEND TO SUICIDE IN 2019, THAT FALL WE MET AND THEY SAY DO YOU WANT TO TRY SOMETHING BIG?

AND I SAID YES LET'S DO IT SO WE CREATED THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COMMISSION AND SENATE BILL ONE IS AN OUTPOURING OF THAT, TERRIFIC WORK, I'M REALLY PROUD OF THIS.

>> TWO YEARS, THAT INCLUDES THE GENTLEMAN SETTING NEXT TO YOU.

>> YES AND THEY ENGAGED ACADEMIC PARTNERS IN IU AND BEGAN TO QUANTIFY THE COST OF MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE STATE AND IT AFFECTS SO MUCH.

IT AFFECTS THE SESSION SYSTEM.

T, AND CERTAINLY AFFECTS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE JUDICIARY THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH.

SO THIS IS A TOPIC THAT I'M PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO PUT FORTH, I THINK IT'S GOING TO MOVE US FORWARD.

>> THE NUMBERS YOU ALLUDED TO IN THE COMMISSION, THE FOLKS FROM FAIRBANKS CAME UP WITH DID HAVE KIND OF A LOT OF ATTENTION WHEN HUMIDITY GOVERNOR MENTIONED ONE IN FIVE -- 22 PERCENT, SO EVEN HIRER THAN THAT AND YOU LOOK AT FOR EVERY FOUR IF INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE RECEIVED TREATMENT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHO HASN'T.

SO LET ME ASK YOU REPRESENTATIVE FLEMING, YOU'RE KNOWLEDGE A MEMBER OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY BUT YOU'RE ALLEGESSED PHYSICIAN, A GYNECOLOGIST, DELIVERED 7,000 BABIES, SO IN THESE NUMBERS MORE TEEN HUNDRED OF THOSE BABIES ARE DESTINED TO FALL VICTIM TO MENTAL ILLNESS.

DO THE NUMBERS SEEM INFLATED TO YOU.

>> IT DOESN'T STRIKE ME AS ODD AND IF YOU LOOK IT AT THE BABIES THE MATERNAL DEATHS IN THIS STATE ARE AT AN APPALL INGLY HIGH RATE BUT WHAT CONTINUES TO INCREASE ARE DRUG OVERDOSES, SUICIDE AND HOMICIDE AMONG WOMEN, AND IF YOU RECENTLY DELIVERED YOU'RE MORE LIKE TO DIE OF THOSE THREE CAUSES THAN IF YOU'RE NOT PREGNANT AT ALL.

THAT'S TERRIBLE.

NOW, THERE ARE SOME SUCCESS STORIES.

WE'VE EXTENDED POST PARTUM MEDICAID COVERAGE FOR A YEAR SO SHE CAN CONTINUE THE TREATMENT THROUGH A YEAR.

YOU CAN'T JUST DROP HER IN A MONTH AND SAY WE CAN'T FUND YOUR MEDICATION ANY LONGER BUT WE MUST DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT THESE MOTHERS AND BABIES.

>> YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS 30 YEAR IN YOUR IT'S WATCHING THE MENTAL HEALTH AND THE WAY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ADDRESSED IT AND I THINK THE SUICIDE RATE IN INDIANA HAS CLIMBED EVERY YEAR FOR 50 YEARS I BELIEVE GYRE WE HAD A TEN PERCENT INCREASE LAST YEAR.

>> TEN PERCENT INCREASE LAST YEAR AND WE'RE GOV THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

YOU WATCHED IT UP CLOSE.

WHAT IS CHANGING?

IS THERE LESS STIGMA?

IS THERE NOW AN ACCEPTANCE, THIS ISSUE TOUCHES EVERYBODY?

HOW HAVE YOU SEEN THE ISSUE EVOLVE THIS THE POLITICAL ARENA?

IT HAS CHALLENGED.

WHEN I FIRST TOOK THIS JOB IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THAT'S BAD BEHAVIOR, PEOPLE NEED TO PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOTSTRAPS AND BECAUSE IT IS AN IN VISIBLE DISORDER WE DON'T HAVE A POSTER CHILD WHICH HAS MADE IT DIFFICULT.

>> IT IS CHANGING, THE COLTS CAME FORWARD WITH THE LOSE THE STIGMA CAMPAIGN.

>> IN MY FIRST YEARS IN THE STATE HOUSE I HAD TO LITERALLY CARRY AROUND A BRAIN SCAN OF SOMEONE WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA JUST TO SHOW THIS IS A PHYSICAL MENTAL ILLNESS AND THAT WAS THE FIRST MESSAGE, THAT IT'S A MEDICAL ILLNESS AND THAT IS GETTING THROUGH.

I THINK FRANKLY THE OPIOID PANDEMIC MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE, COVID DIDN'T CREATE THE CRISIS BUT IT MADE PEOPLE MORE AWARE OF IT SO WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER AND THANKS TO EVERYBODY HERE AT THE TABLE THERE'S NEVER BEEN -- I THINK YOU SAID SENATOR CRIDER THERE'S NEVER BEEN A SENATE BILL ONE THAT'S BEEN FOCUSED ON MENTAL HEALTH.

>> THAT MEANS THE CONTROLLING CAUCUS, IN THIS CASE THE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY HAVE DEEMED IT SEW IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE BESTOWED UPON IT THE TOP NUMBER ONE RANKING AND I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

ONE OTHER QUESTION FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT STEPHEN McCAFFREY SAID ABOUT THE NOTION OF HOOSIERS BEING TOUGH.

WHAT ABOUT THIS NOTION IN I'VE HAD OLDER RELATIVES WHO WOULD SAY PRECISELY THAT.

YOU HAVE TO SUCK IT UP, BE OPTIMISTIC.

DO YOU SEE POCKETS OF THAT IN YOUR PARTY OR OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE OR HAVE WE GOTTEN PAST THAT?

>> I THINK SOME OF THAT IS OUT THERE BUT NOT TO THE TEMPT EXTENT STITT USED TO BE.

TO STEVE'S POINT THERE WERE BAD THINGS THAT CAME FROM COVID, THERE WERE SOME GOOD THINGS.

ONE OF THE BAD THINGS IS WE ALL FACED A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE ALL FACED THAT SO THERE'S MORE OF AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YES WE CAN ALL GO THROUGH THIS AND MORE OF A SENSE OF URGENCY TO DO SOMETHING,.

>>> FOR INSTANCE PUBLIC HEALTH WHERE I'VE TEASED YOUR PARTNER IN CRIME THE GOVERNOR THAT HE'S A VICTIM OF LONG HAUL COVID BECAUSE OF WHAT SOME PERCEIVE AS OVERREACH IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY ORDER AND HE STILL HAS SOME CHANNELS WITH THE FUNDING OF PUBLIC HEALTH MEASURES BUT YOU SEE THIS AS DISTINCT.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME BAGGAGE.

>> I THINK THAT HAS TO DO WITH LOCAL VERSUS STATE CONTROL.

THIS IS EARN IS ALL?

>> AND ESPECIALLY KIDS, I'VE SOUTHEASTERN THE PUBLIC HEALTH DATA THAT SUGGESTS AS BAD AS COVID WAS FOR EVERYBODY, YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY DEALING WITH THE THINGS THAT IF MEMORY SERVES WE ALL DEALT WITH IN THOSE THE FORMATIVE YEARS, WITH DON'T EVEN KNOW PERHAPS THE SCOPE OF THE ENORMITY OF THE PROBLEM.

>> A RECENT STUDY SAID ONE IN FOUR HIGH SCHOOL BOYS AS CONTEMPLATED SUICIDE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS SO WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE FUTURE OF INDIANA.

>> VERY ALARMING NUMBERS.

YOU HAD YOUR SORT OF FANFARE IN THE INTRODUCTION, SETTING THE STAGE FOR SENATE BILL ONE.

NOW TELL US WHAT IS IN THE BILL.

>> I THINK THE CORE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN IMPROVE THE DELIVERY OF SERVICES TO FOLK IN CRISIS SO BEGINS TO LOOK AT MOVING INDIANA MORE TOWARDS THE CERTIFIED COMMUNITY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH MODEL AND IN ORDER TO BE A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CENTER YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT FOLKS 24/7, TO DO THINGS LIKE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE.

>> WHICH IS WHY INDIANA ONLY HAS WHAT, 19 NOW FOR 92 COUNTIES?

>> TO BE SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN DO THINGS LIKE MANAGE MEDICINE IF SOMEBODY IS ON MEDICINE TO HELP THEM MAN THEIR ADDICTION.

BUT REALLY THE GAIL CHANGER I THINK IS THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE, THE PILOT PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DONE THIS THE SEDATE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT WE CAN DEFER PEOPLE FROM THE EMERGENCY ROOM AT 60 PERCENT AND YOU CAN RESOLVE THAT INCIDENT'S, THAT YOU CAN -- FOR CERTAIN IF THEY DON'T END UP IN THE E.R.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WIND UP IN THE COUNTY JAILS SO WE ARE HOPEFUL -- INDIANA IS NOT LOAN THIS THIS DISCUSSION, SO IT MARRIES UP THE 988 CRISIS HOTLINE -- >> THINGS THE FEDERAL NUMBER ANY KNOWLEDGED LAST YEAR THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE TIED TO THE HOT LINE, SO YOU'RE CALLING AND YOU GET SOMEBODY WHO RESPONDS AND THEN YOU HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO GO.

>> SO IT'S A SIMPLE FORMULA, IT'S SOMEONE TO SCALIA AND SOMEONE TO RESPOND IN A SAFE PLACE TO GO AND RECEIVE FOLLOW-UP CARE AND THAT FOLLOW-UP CARE IS ANOTHER CRITICAL ASPECT OF THIS DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE LEARNED THAT AS FOLKS MAYBE HAVE BEEN IN INCARCERATION IF WE CAN HELP THEM THAT TRANSITION THE RECIDIVISM RATE WILL DROP AND WE WILL SEE MORE SAYS.

SO WE'VE LEARNED SOME HARD LESSONS BUT SENATE BILL ONE BEGINS TO ENCAPSULATE THAT AND GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

>> AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO WOULD REQUIRE THE FAMILY AND SOCIAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION TO SEEK FEDERAL FUNDING TO BILL THAT OUT.

>> AND IT BEGINS TO CHANGE THE WAY WE PAY FOR THE SERVICES THROUGH MEDICAID SO THERE WOULD BE DOWNSTREAM WHAT'S CALLED A STATE PLAN AMENDMENT TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO.

>> RITA FLEMING AGAIN YOU'RE FROM IF THE MEDICAL END OF THINGS ARE THERE RED LIGHT OF THE BILL THAT YOU SEE AS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT?

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PRICE TAG ATTACHED, I GUESS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -- MAYBE THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S ISSUE BUT ARE THERE CERTAIN L.ES THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT?

>> I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE COMPREHENSIVE NEGATIVES OF THE APPROACH, IT'S NOT JUST A GROUP THERAPY APPROACH, IT'S COMPLETELY WRAP AROUND SERVICES AND IF I CAN BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT HOW THAT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

MY MOTHER WAS ALSO A PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC AND WE WERE SO EMBARRASSED OF THAT BUT THROUGHOUT HER LIFE WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A GOOD PHYSICIAN, GROUP THERAPY, APPROPRIATE MEDICATIONS, BECAUSE IT USED TO BE MEDICATIONS WITH TERRIBLE SIDE EFFECTS BUT THE MEDICATIONS THAT FOCUS ON THE BRAIN CHANGES ALLOWED HER TO LIVE A PRETTY NORMAL LIFE TO THE AGE OF 88, THAT IS PRETTY UNUSUAL FOR A PERSON WITH ADDITIONS LIKE THAT.

>> SHE WOULD NOT HAVE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE WOULD YOU SAY THE VARIOUS EXPERTISE.

>> RIGHT.

>> SENATOR McCAFFRY YOU HAVE THIS 30 YEAR FRONT ROW ROW SEAT, AND I SNOW KNOW YOU'VE SAID THIS IS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR CAREER.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE WE ARE LUCKY IN INDIANA TO HAVE A GREAT COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTER, PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM BUT THAT WAS A SYSTEM THAT WAS CREATED -- A BILL THAT WAS SIGNED BY JOHN KENNEDY SO WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT THAT IS OLD AND THIS CCBHC MODEL IS EVIDENCE BASED PRACTICE IN A WAY THAT WE DO NOT DO.

WE HAVE A WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES, WE JUST NEVER HAVE AND THIS MODEL IS A WAY TO DO IT AND IT IS TIED CLOSELY TO 988, AND I WOULD SAID IN TERMS OF WHAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE STARTED THE COMMISSION WE STARTED LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TOPICAL ISSUE AND WHAT WE REALIZED WAS WE COULDN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THEM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE OR A FOUNDATION OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN THE STATE OF INDIANA AND THAT WE HAD TO START THERE FIRSTMENT SO MONTH DIFFERENT THAN ROADS OR HIGHWAYS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT FOUNDATION, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN YOU YOU CAN LOOK AT THE OTHER ISSUE.

SO THERE ARE THREE PARTS OF THE BUILT WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT THE ISSUES THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS.

>> AND CONTINUES WITH SOME LEGISLATIVE APPOINTMENTS TO FLESH IT OUT.

WITH SHOULD POINT OUT OF THE THAT INDIANA'S PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM WAS STRUCTURED A HUNDRED YEARS AGO SO THIS KENNEDY MARYLAND M IS JOHNNY COME LATELY.

LET'S GET DOWN TO MONEY BOASTLESS A LOT OF DOLLARS IN THE STATISTICS THAT WE TALK ABOUT, UNTREATED CARE IS A $4.2 BILLION WALLOP TO THE STATE WHEN YOU LOOK AT DIRECT CARE, IN DIRECT SCARE AND LOST PRODUCTIVITY AND THE COMMISSION SUGGESTED $130 MILLION IS WHAT WAS NEEDED.

LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT AND I KNOW ALL BETS ARE OFF UNTIL THE NEW REVENUE FORECAST, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT 30 MILLION BUT IN THE STATE BUDGET, PROPOSED RAISES FOR STATE TROOPERS THAT'S 6 MILLION-DOLLAR MORE THAN THAT PROPOSED INCREASE THAT SOME LAWMAKERS THINK IS SUFFICIENT, A IS 30 MILLION SUFFICIENT AND IF NOT WHAT ARE YOU AND YOUR PARTNER ERIC HOLCOMB DOING TO DO TO ENSURE THAT GETS CLOSER TO THE ONE THINKER MILLION?

>> WE KNOW INDIANA'S ECONOMIC CONDITION IS VERY SOUND AND REVENUES ARE COMING IN EVERY MONTH WAY OVER PRO-JEFF PROJECTION SO THAT REVENUE FORECAST IS GOING TO BE WAY OVER WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH.

>> YOU WANT TO SEE 130 MILLION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> BUZZ ANYBODY THINK THAT'S UNREALISTIC?

>> 30 MILLION WOULD COVER THE CALL CENTERS SO WHEN WE SAY A PLACE TO CALL AND A SAFE PLACE TO GO, 30 MILLION WILL PAY A THIRD OF THAT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT.

>> THE DO YOU THINK THAT'S DOABLE?

THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH OPPOSITION AT ALL, YOUR BILL CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE WITHOUT A SINGLE NAY VOTE AND OUT OF THE IS THAT SENATE.

>> YOU SHOW THIS IS NECESSARY, WE NEED THIS MUCH MONEY AND SOME OF THE TESTIMONY WAS COMPELLING AND WE COULD EXPAND THAT SO MUCH MORE LIKE THE COMPETENCY RESTORATION SERVICES SO IF WE WERE TO BROADEN THAT WITH THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD BE VERY IMPACTFUL.

>> SENATOR DO YOU CARE WHERE IT COMES FROM?

AND THE REASON I SAY THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGET SURPLUS AND THEN THE CHAMBER AND A COALITION OF HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS HAS TRIED OUT SOMETHING THAT IT'S BEEN FOND OF FOR SOME TIME WHICH IS THE 2-DOLLAR IN CIGARETTE PER PACK TAX TO -- A PORTION OF WHICH WOULD GO TO THIS.

DO YOU CARE WHICH OF THOSE?

>> NO, I DOUGHNUTS CARE SO I THINK I WOULD TALK ABOUT THE CIGARETTE TAX IN A MINUTE.

IT HAS ALL KINDS OF DOWNSTREAM BENEFITS FOR OTHER HEALTH ISSUES.

THE CELL PHONE FEED IS APPEALING .

WE USE THAT SYSTEM FOR THE LAST MANY YEARS TO FUND OUR 911 CENTERS CAN IT'S A VERY PREDICTABLE STREAM OF MONEY AND IT DOESN'T DECREASE LIKE THE CIGARETTE TAX DOES.

>> IF BY DEFINITION IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL -- >> MY MIDDLE SCHOOL CHILDREN HAVE CELL CELL PHONES SO THAT'S GOING TO BE INCREASING OVER TIME, SO THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE DELIVERY SYSTEM, THE CCBHCS AND THE CRISIS RESPONSE FOLKS, THEY CAN STAFF UP AND HAVE SOME CERTAINTY THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE THERE DOWNSTREAM.

>> LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR DO YOU HAVE PREFERENCE?

>> IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE FUNDING SOURCE BECAUSE IF WE FUNDED OUT OF JUST OUR GENERAL FUND APPROPRIATIONS THEN IN TWO YEARS WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT FUNDING IT AGAIN AND IF THE STATE WOULD GO GO INTO A DOWNTURN WE COULD GO BACKWARDS.

>> AND PRESUMABLY IF THIS PROBLEM -- IT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM, CHANCES ARE IF THAT TRAJECTORY YOU DESCRIBED WERE TO HAPPEN THAT WOULD DIMINISH THE SERVICES BUT ANOTHER BILL SOMEWHAT COMPANION BILL THAT ALSO PASSED AS FAR AS I KNOW WITHOUT ANY NEGATIVE -- IS HOUSE BILL 1006 WHICH DEALS WITH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND I THINK THE CHIEF JUSTICE SUGGESTED EIGHT PERCENT OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE JAIL SYSTEM MAY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS.

>> YES, THE NUMBER IS EIGHT PERCENT IF YOU INCLUDE PERMEATIONS MENTAL ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE ORDERS AND 1006 GRANTS -- >> GREG KEEPS GETTING IT TO BE 1006 SO WE CAN EITHER GET CONFUSED OR KEEP TRACK.

>> BUT BASICALLY IT STEERS PEOPLE TOWARD CLINICAL CARE.

SO INCARCERATION.

>> THAT'S RIGHT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PRETRIAL WHERE PEOPLE ARE SITTING IN JAIL AND THEY COULD BE SERVED BETTER IF THEY RECEIVED TREATMENT AND THAT'S WHAT 1006 WOULD DO.

>> EXCEPT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO?

>> AND WE HOPE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH SENATE BILL ONE AL WE HAVE MORE WRAP AROUND SERVICES.

>> RITA FLEMING, FINAL THOUGHT.

>> IT'S AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY FOR THE PROGRESS THAT INDIANA WANTS TO MAKE IN TERMS OF HEALTH, EMPLOYMENT, EVERY ASPECT OF THIS STATE IS AFFECTED BY THIS SO WE HOPE THIS MOMENTS MOMENTUM MOVE FOR THE.

>>> I APPRECIATE YOUR IN PUT ON THIS ISSUE.

MY GUESTS AGAIN HAVE BEEN INDIANA LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SUZANNE CROUCH, CHAIR OF THE INDIANA ROUND TABLE ON MENTAL HEALTH, REPUBLICAN SENATOR MICHAEL CRIDER OF GREENFIELD, PRIMARY AUTHOR OF THE BILL I MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE RITA FLEMING OF JEFFERSONVILLE, AND STHEPHEN MCCAFFREY, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF MENTAL HEALTH AMERICAN OF INDIANA.

AND TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY CONVERSATION WITH INDIANA LAWMAKERS COMMENTATOR ED FEIGENBAUM.

EDIT SEEMS IS THAT BASED OP THE VOTES AND THE CONVERSATION TODAY EVERYONE SEEMS TO THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

WHY IS IT ONLY NOW HATCH SOMETHING.

>> ANOTHER GOOD IDEA'S TIME HAS COME.

THERE'S A LOT OF REPUBLICAN IN FIGHTING ON THIS PARTICULARLY THIS THE SENATE.

SENATOR MIKE YOUNG FROM INDIANAPOLIS HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE INITIALING LEGISLATION WHICH FOCUSED MORE ON SCHOOLS AND HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PARENTAL RIGHTS AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE SURVEYS THAT WERE GOING ON.

>> SURVEYS AND SCREENINGS CAN TIME FRAME WITHOUT A PARENT'S KNOWLEDGE OR PERMISSION.

>> RIGHT AND WE'RE SEEING THAT REEMERGE NOW AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, HAMILTON SOUTHEASTERN SCHOOLS PULLED BACK A VARY THAT PARENTS SAID CAN SOME OF THE NEW SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS SAID CONCENTRATED TOO MUCH ON THE SOCIAL LEARNING ASPECT AND THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAS APPROPRIATE SO A SIX FIGURE SURVEY JUST WEB BY THE WAYSIDE.

>>> AND THIS BILL AND FOR THAT MATTER THE OTHER HAS NOTHING TO DO THAT.

IS THERE BAGGAGE ENOUGH TO DERAIL IT.

>> THE PANEL TALKED ABOUT THAT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE HAVE THOSE OBJECTIONABLE MATTERS IN THERE, THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE AND AGAIN THIS IS AN IDEA WHOSE TIME AS COME.

>> AND DOESN'T GET THE FULL FUNDING, $130 MILLION.

>> I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT BUT YOU SAW THE SURVEY SHOWING THE HIGH SUICIDE THOUGHT RATES AMONG TEENS AND THAT CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF LAWMAKERS.

>> GIVEN THIS IS GREASE WILL WE SEE MORE OF THE RALLIES, THE FAVORITE COMMUNITY, OTHERS IN THE LOBBYING EFFORTS?

>> I THINK YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO SEE THE POSITIVE END OF THIS I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE GROUPS WORKING AGAINST THIS LIKE THEY HAVE BEFORE.

>>> HOOSIERERS SAY HEALTH CARE COSTS ARE OUT OF CONTROL AND LAWMAKERS AGREE.

WHAT IS THEIR PRESCRIPTION FOR RELIEF ON THE NEXT INDIANA LAWMAKERS.

THAT CONCLUDES THIS EDITION OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS.

I'M JON SCHWANTES, ON BEHALF OF ED FEIGENBAUM, I THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND I INVITE YOU TO VISIT WFYI.ORG FOR MORE STATEHOUSE NEWS.

UNTIL NEXT WEEK, TAKE CARE.