>>> TONIGHT, NANCY PELOSI.

SHE'S THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN IN POLITICS, BUT WHO DID SHE HAVE TO FIGHT TO GET THERE?

AND THE STEP-BY-STEP GUIDE HELPING WOMEN REPRESENT AND RUN FOR OFFICE.

"METROFOCUS" STARTS RIGHT NOW.

♪ >>> THIS IS "METROFOCUS," WITH RAFAEL PI ROMAN, JACK FORD AND JENNA FLANAGAN.

>>> "METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY -- SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, THE PETER G. PETERSON AND JOAN GANZ COONEY FUND, BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, THE AMBROSE MONELL FOUNDATION.

AND BY -- ♪ >>> SHE GREW UP IN A HOUSEHOLD WHERE POWER WAS LIKE ELECTRICITY AND RUNNING WATER.

>> NANCY PELOSI CAME UP IN A HISTORICAL ERA WHERE YOU DID SEE POLITICS AS COMBAT.

>> SHE'S GOT THIS NO HOLD'S BARRED ATTITUDE AND THE OTHER SIDE BE DAMNED.

>> SHE WAS NOT GOING TO SHUT UP ABOUT THIS.

SHE WENT AFTER THIS WITH A VENGEANCE.

>> NANCY PELOSI HAS NEVER BEEN ACCUSED OF BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT.

>>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "METROFOCUS," I'LL M JENNA FLANAGAN.

WHAT YOU JUST SAW WAS A SHORT PREVIEW FOR THE PGS "FRONTLINE" DOCUMENTARY, "PELOSI'S POWER."

THE FIRST EVER IN DEPTH FILM ABOUT HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI.

NOW, THE DOCUMENTARY TRACES PELOSI'S RISE TO THE TOP AND ANALYZING HOW FOR THREE DECADES SHE'S WIELDED HER POWER TO SHAPE HISTORY.

FROM THE IRAQ WAR TO THE FINANCIAL CRISIS, OBAMACARE AND THE INSURRECTION AT THE CAPITOL, NANCY PELOSI HAS BEEN AT THE CENTER OF IT ALL.

BUT THE FILM ALSO EXAMINES HOW PELOSI BECAME A LIGHTNING ROD FIGURE FOR THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT.

JOINING ME NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE FILM AND WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT PELOSI'S ROLE IN SHAPING AMERICAN HISTORY IS DIRECTOR AND PRODUCER MICHAEL KIRK.

MICHAEL, WELCOME BACK TO "METROFOCUS."

>> ALWAYS GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, JENNA.

>> SO, FIRST, I WANT TO START OFF AND GET YOUR TAKE, BECAUSE THE TITLE OF THE FILM, "PELOSI'S POWER," I FEEL IS SO INCREDIBLY -- IT FITS THE FILM PERFECTLY.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ON BOTH THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT TEND TO SCRATCH THEIR HEADS WONDERING HOW DOES NANCY PELOSI HAVE THIS MUCH POWER.

SO, JUST STARTING FROM THAT POINT, HOW DO YOU SEE HER AS A FIGURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN OUR COUNTRY THAT NANCY PELOSI HAS BEEN THERE AT THE HEART OF TO WIT UNS, AND THAT WAS THE -- FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, WONDERFUL BUT MASSIVE GROWTH OF WOMEN IN POLITICS, WOMEN IN THE ROOMS WHERE THINGS REALLY HAPPEN.

FOR AN AWFUL LOT OF NANCY PELOSI'S CAREER, MORE THAN 30 GREERPS S YEARS IN CONGRESS, SHE WAS THE ONLY WOMAN IN THE ROOM, AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND OTHER PLACES.

SHE REALIZED SHE WAS CARRYING A SPECIAL BURDEN AND A RESPONSIBILITY IN THAT ROLE AND IT WAS FASCINATING TO ME.

A, NOBODY'S EVER MADE A FILM ABOUT HER BEFORE, WHICH TELLS YOU SOMETHING ABOUT BEING THE ONLY WOMAN IN THE ROOM, AND SECOND, THAT SHE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHIP ON HER SHOULDER ABOUT ALL OF THAT.

AND SHE'S DETERMINED TO MAKE THINGS -- TO CHANGE THINGS AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN AND SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER.

SO, THAT'S THE PERFECT CHARACTER FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE A FILM ABOUT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE NO FOR A REAL RIDE ACROSS HER 80 YEARS OF LIFE AS SHE ACCU ACCUMULATES, USES, SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY ABUSES, THE POWER THAT SHE LEARNED FROM A VERY EARLY AGE.

>> WELL, SPEAKING OF POWER THAT SHE LEARNED FROM A VERY EARLY AGE, WE KNOW NOTHING HAPPENS IN A VACUUM.

WHAT WERE THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH NANCY PELOSI THE HOUSE SPEAKER EMERGED FROM?

>> IF YOU COULD CREATE A CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU WOULD RAISE SOMEBODY TO BE POWERFUL, IT WOULD BE THE CIRCUMSTANCES TO NANCY PELOSI GREW UP IN.

THE YOUNGEST AND ONLY GIRL IN A FAMILY OF FIVE BROTHERS IN BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, WITH AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL, CHARISMATIC SORT OF WORD BOSS KIND OF A FATHER, WHO WAS THE MAYOR OF BALTIMORE.

KIND OF ONE OF THOSE DEMOCRATIC DEAL MAKERS.

COME TO THE HOUSE, TELL ME WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS, I'LL DO SOMETHING FOR YOU, THEN YOU'LL OWE ME, THEN WE'LL DO THAT DANCE FOREVER AND EVER.

AND NANCY WATCHED THAT HAPPEN.

AS THE APPLE OF HER FATHER AND MOTHER'S EYE.

AND SHE ALSO WATCH EED WHAT HAPPENED TO HER MOTHER, A VERY BRIGHT AND INTELLIGENT WOMAN, CAPABLE, MAYBE MORE CAPABLE IN LOTS OF WAYS THAN HER FATHER.

HER FATHER WAS A GOOD GUY, A HANDSHAKER, A VOTE COUNTER, BUT HER MOM RAN THAT PART OF THE OPERATION THAT WAS CALLED THE FAVORITE FILE.

IF YOU NEEDED SOMETHING FROM THE MAYOR, YOU WENT TO HER MOM AND HER MOM ORGANIZED ALL THOSE THINGS.

BUT SHE ALSO WATCHED HER MOM BE PUT DOWN BY HER DAD AND BE HELD IN PLACE.

AND I THINK THOSE TWO THINGS, WATCHING HOW A VERY SUCCESSFUL AND CHARISMATIC POLITICIAN CAN GET SOMETHING DONE BY COUNTING VOTES, BY DOING FAVORS, AND WATCHING HER MOM FIGHT TO GET HER OPINIONS IN FROM BEHIND THE SCENES TAUGHT NANCY A LOT ABOUT HOW TO ACT AND WHAT NOT TO DO WHEN SHE GREW UP.

>> WELL, THEN, CONSIDERING THAT SHE IS JUST SUCH A POLARIZING FIGURE FOR SO MANY, YOU KNOW, AMERICANS, I'M WONDERING FROM WHAT YOU LEARNED FROM MAKING THIS DOCUMENTARY, WHICH CAME FIRST?

WAS IT HER POLARIZING POSITION OR IS SHE, PERHAPS, A PRODUCT OF A POLARIZING SYSTEM?

>> WELLING, GWELL, THIS IS THE QUESTION TO ASK, AND THAT'S THE FUN ONE I THINK WE ROLL AROUND WITH INSIDE THE FILM, BECAUSE NANCY, WHEN SHE GOT TO CONGRESS, WAS ONE OF ONLY 23 WOMEN OF THE 435 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND MANY OF THOSE WOMEN WERE THE WIVES OF CONGRESSPEOPLE WHO HAD DIED, SO THEY'D TAKEN THEIR SEATS.

SO, HERE'S NANCY PELOSI SURROUNDED BY MEN WHO ARE NOT REALLY USED TO TAKING ANY INFORMATION FROM ANY WOMEN.

TO GET THEIR ATTENTION, ESPECIALLY ON HER PROGRESSIVE ISSUES, SHE REPRESENTS SAN FRANCISCO, AIDS, LOTS OF THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES, SHE HAD TO BE VERY OUTGOING AND VERY TOUGH ABOUT IT.

AND SO SHE WAS TOUGH INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND BY THE TIME SHE'S RUNNING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THEY'D LOST SIX ELECTIONS IN A ROW IN CONGRESS AND NANCY PELOSI DECIDED THAT THE ONLY WAY THEY WERE GOING TO GET AHEAD WAS THEY WERE GOING TO BE PARTISAN.

SO, SHE WAS ONE OF THE EARLY PROPONENTS OF DEMOCRATS, DON'T SIT THERE AND COOPERATE WITH REPUBLICANS, LET'S GET THINGS DONE THAT WE WANT TO GET DONE AND LET'S TAKE CREDIT FOR IT.

AND SHE DID AND THEY DID, STARTING WITH THE IRAQ WAR AND LOTS OF OTHER ISSUES.

AND I THINK THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WILL FREELY ADMIT THAT NANCY PELOSI IS ONE OF THE MOST PARTISAN POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON.

THEY HAPPEN -- MANY PEOPLE HAPPEN TO LIKE HOW HER PARTISANSHIP WORKS VERSUS HOW SOME OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTISANSHIP WORKS, BUT THAT WAS ALREADY GOING BY THE TIME SHE GOT THERE.

AND SO, A LOT OF HER POWER RESIDES FROM THAT AND A LOT OF HER -- THE CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE THAT IS NANCY PELOSI COMES FROM THAT.

SHE IS TOUGH.

SHE SAYS, I GET UP EVERY MORNING, PUT ON MY ARMOR AND EAT NAILS FOR BREAKFAST AND THEN I GO TO WORK IN THE CONGRESS.

SO, SHE -- SHE HAS VERY STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE AND EVEN PEOPLE INSIDE HER OWN PARTY THAT SHE HAS TO KEEP IN LINE.

SHE'S A TOUGH PERSON, YOU KNOW, TOUGH JOB, AND SHE DOESN'T CARE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

>> WELL, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT'S PLAYED OUT IN THE FACT THAT SHE'S HELD THE POSITION OF SPEAKER, OR AT LEAST THE PERSON WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THE HOUSE FOR AS LONG AS SHE HAS.

HOWEVER, WE DO TALK ABOUT, AS I MENTIONED IN THE INTRO, THAT THIS HAS BEEN THREE DECADES, AND AS HARD AS IT AT LEAST CAN BE FOR ME TO LEAVE THAT THE '90s WAS 30 YEARS AGO, A LOT OF THINGS THAT PERHAPS A LOT OF US THOUGHT WERE OKAY OR SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE THEN HAVE CHANGED.

HAS SHE ALSO EVOLVED IN THOSE 30 YEARS?

>> I THINK SHE HAS.

I THINK SHE WAS VERY PROGRESSIVE WHEN SHE GOT THERE.

I DON'T THINK SHE'S VIEWED AS VERY PROGRESSIVE BY SOME MEMBERS OF HER OWN PARTY, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE 2018 MIDTERMS WHEN A LOT OF WOMEN -- SHE RAN THAT CAMPAIGN TO GET BACK AT TRUMP TO TAKE AWAY TRUMP'S POWER, SHE WAS HIS ARCH NEMESIS AND SHE WANTED TO MAKE SURE DONALD TRUMP WAS HELD IN PLACE.

SHE GOES OUT AND WORKS VERY HARD, ALONG WITH A LOT OF OTHERS, TO GET A LOT OF WOMEN ELECTED, AND IT IS THE BLUE WAVE THAT COMES IN IN '18.

ALSO INCLUDES PEOPLE WHO, IN THE END, WILL CALL THEMSELVES THE SQUAD, WHO REALLY, STRONGLY THINK NANCY PELOSI ISN'T LIBERAL OR PROGRESSIVE ENOUGH, THAT SHE'S BEEN IN POWER TOO LONG.

THEY QUESTION DIRECTLY FROM THE FIRST DAY THAT THEY WERE IN CONGRESS, HER LEADERSHIP, HER POWER, WHETHER SHE WAS WHERE SHE WAS ON THE GREEN NEW DEAL AND LOTS OF OTHER ISSUES, AND SHE, OF COURSE, FOUGHT BACK, BEING NANCY PELOSI.

AND IT'S AN INTERESTING PART OF THE FILM TO WATCH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POWER THAT THE SQUAD MEMBERS HAVE, AND WHERE IT COMES FROM, AND THE POWER THAT NANCY PELOSI HAS AND WHERE HE POWER COMES FROM.

AND WHETHER SHE'S READY TO CEDE ANYTHING TO THEM AND THEIR ISSUES.

SHE WANTS THEM TO PLAY BALL WITH HER.

SHE SAYS, THEY'RE ONLY FOUR VOTES, I DON'T CARE.

IF THEY DON'T VOTE WITH ME, THEY'RE ONLY FOUR VOTES.

THEY MAY HAVE MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS OR INSTAGRAM, BUT THEY'RE ONLY INFLUENCERS, THEY DON'T HAVE POWER, I HAVE POWER.

AND IT'S JUST A FASCINATING PART OF THE FILM THAT I THINK IS A FRESH LOOK INSIDE WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

>> PERHAPS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR ALL OF US TO REMEMBER THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOT ACTUAL REALITY.

BUT TURNS BACK TO THE FILM, THOUGH, YOU ALSO GET INTO HOW SHE BECAME THE LIGHTNING ROD THAT SHE DID FOR THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT.

WE KNOW THAT WHEN THE INSURRECTION TOOK PLACE, IN ADDITION TO CALLS FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST THEN VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE, THERE WAS ALSO CALLS FOR VIOLENCE SPECIFICALLY AGAINST HOUSE SPEAKER PELOSI.

HOW DID SHE BECOME THE LIGHTNING ROD FOR THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHT?

>> IT'S -- IT GOES BACK TO 2010 AND THE AFFORDABLE CARE ABILITY, WH ACT, WHERE SHE REALLY PUSHED THAT THROUGH.

OBAMA WAS TRYING TO COOPERATE WITH THE REPUBLICANS AND THEY WERE JUST DOING WHAT SHE CALLS THE DANCE OF THE SEVEN BEALS.

IN HER OPINION, SHE DIDN'T WANT ONBAMA TO COOPERATE.

SHE SAID, YOU GO AHEAD, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO GET PASSED.

SO, SHE BECAME FLIGHTENING ROD OF THE REPUBLICANS EVEN THEN.

THEY RAN AGAINST HER DRAMATICALLY, NOT SO MUCH AGAINST OBAMA IN 2010, THEY BEAT THE DEMOCRATS SOUNDLY $70 MILLI OUT ABOUT NANCY PELOSI.

THEY GOT IT IN THEIR HEADS THAT NANCY PELOSI WAS THE TRUE ENEMY, AND FOR THOSE EIGHT YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS BEFORE TRUMP AND BEFORE 2018, SHE WAS JUST RUNNING THE PARTY, SHE WAS LITERALLY THE BEST THING FOR FUND-RAISING FOR THEREPUBLICAN PARTY THERE WAS.

ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS SAY NANCY PELOSI.

SO, WHEN JANUARY 6th COMES ALONG, HERE'S THE WOMAN WHO'S THE MOST POWERFUL WOMAN, PROBABLY EVER IN AMERICAN -- CERTAINLY EVER IN AMERICAN POLITICS, AND HERE'S THE WOMAN WHO'S ONLY TWO HEARTBEATS AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY.

IT'S HER BUILDING, THE SPEAKER IS IN CHARGE.

THEY DESTROY THE BUILDING, THEY ATTACK IT.

SHE'S ANGRY AND AFRAID AND THEY KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE NANCY PELOSI THAT'S GOING TO COME AFTER THEM.

SHE INITIATES WITH HER DEMOCRATS THE IMPEACHMENT OF TRUMP AND SHE GOES AFTER EVERYBODY IN THIS JANUARY 6th COMMISSION.

SO, SHE IS, FROM THE RIGHT'S POINT OF VIEW, THE THING THAT IS WRONG -- TRUMP STARTED IT, OF COURSE, WITH, AGAIN, WITH THE SWAMP IN WASHINGTON AND SAYING NANCY PELOSI, NANCY PELOSI, NANCY PELOSI.

AND THAT'S -- AND THAT'S WHO SHE IS TO THE RIGHT.

AND I THINK INTERESTINGLY, IT'S A REAL QUESTION OF WHETHER SHE LOOKS AT RUNNING AGAIN, BUT WHETHER SHE'LL BECOME THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IF THEY WIN IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT, I THINK, IS A VERY BIG IF.

>> THAT IS DEFINITELY A BIG IF AND DEFINITELY RACES WE WILL BE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY.

THE FILM IS "PELOSI'S POWER" FROM "FRONTLINE."

MICHAEL KIRK, ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW.

>> THANK YOU, JENNA, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>>> FOR MOST OF RECORDED AMERICAN HISTORY, POLITICAL POWER HAS LOOKED A CERTAIN WAY.

PORTRAITS OF POWER CALLING IMAGES OF MEN DRESSED IN SUITS TO MIND.

HOWEVER, AFTER THE 2018 MIDTERM ELECTIONS, WHEN WOMEN ACCOUNTED FOR NOW MORE THAN 100 SEATS IN CONGRESS, IT WAS CLEAR THAT CHANGE IN REPRESENTATION IS UNDER WAY.

BUT WHAT OBSTACLES DID THESE POWERHOUSE WOMEN FACE GETTING TO OFFICE?

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE INTERESTED IN RUNNING, WHAT SHOULD YOU KNOW BEFORE YOU ENTER THE RACE?

IN A NEW BOOK TITLED "REPRESENT: THE WOMAN'S GUIDE TO RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND CHANGING THE WORLD," ACTOR, COMEDIAN, WRITER, JUNE DIANE RAYFIELD GIVES WOMEN A STEP-BY-STEP GUY TO RUNNING.

AND WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE HER WITH US NOW.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> SO, I WANT TO PREFACE THIS BY SAYING IT'S A MARVELOUS BOOK AND I THINK INFUSED WITH GREAT HUMOR WHILE STILL FOCUSING ON VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AND THAT'S A DIFFICULT BALANCE TO ACCOMPLISH, SO, MY COMPLIMENTS TO YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT.

LET ME ASK YOU, FIRST QUESTION, I'LL ALWAYS CURIOUS, I'VE WRITTEN A FEW BOOKS MYSELF, I'M ALWAYS CURIOUS FOR WRITERS AS TO WHY THEY DECIDE TO FOCUS, WITH ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAVE, ON THIS PROJECT?

AND YOU TALK IN YOUR INTRODUCTION LETTER THAT YOU AND KATE DO ABOUT WHAT GOT YOU TO IT.

GIVE US A QUICK SENSE OF THAT.

>> YEAH, AFTER THE 2016 ELECTION, I WAS FEELING THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT, JUST DEVASTATED, AND HUMILIATED AT HILLARY'S LOSS AND I -- I WAS CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY WOMAN IN AMERICA WHO FELT THIS WAY, BUT DONALD TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY CERTAINLY MADE ME FEEL LIKE, WELL, SHOOT, I CAN DO THIS, TOO.

AND I DID SOME LIGHT GOOGLING AND COULD NOT FIND A LOT OF INFORMATION ON WHAT THE FIRST STEPS WOULD BE.

I THINK THAT CIVIC ENGAGEMENT IS KEPT AWAY FROM A LOT OF US.

MAYBE ON PURPOSE.

AND WE DON'T -- WELL, FOR MOST WOMEN, WE DON'T CONSIDER OURSELVES.

AND WE THINK THE PROCESS SEEMS MYSTERIOUS AND OVERWHELMING AND OFTEN BEST LEFT TO OTHERS TO DO.

SO, I REALLY SET OUT TO WRITE A GUIDEBOOK TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.

KATE BLACK WAS SOMEONE I FOUND, SHE'S THE CHIEF OF STAFF AT EMILY'S LIST AT THE TIME, AND SHE HAD ALL OF THE INFORMATION.

AND SO WE REALLY SET OUT TO DEMYSTIFY THE PROCESS, TO MAKE IT, YES, FUN, DARE I SAY AND ACCESSIBLE, BUT ALSO, FILLED WITH GRANULAR DETAILED INFORMATION ON HOW TO RUN A RUN FOR OFFICE COULD LOOK IN A VERY REAL, VERY FULL LIFE.

>> LET ME ASK YOU A BIG PICTURE QUESTION AND WE'LL GET TO THE SPECIFICS HERE.

IN PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER, WHAT DID YOU FIND IN TERMS OF THE BARRIERS?

BOTH THE REALITIES OF BARRIERS AND MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT, THE PERCEPTION THAT WOMEN HAVE OF THE BARRIERS FOR THEM RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

>> YEAH, DEFINITELY.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE THE VERY REAL EXTERNAL BARRIERS THAT EXIST AND THEN THERE ARE THE INTERNAL BARRIERS.

AND THE VERY REAL EXTERNAL BARRIERS ARE AROUND MONEY.

AND ACCESS TO WEALTH.

AND HAVING PERSONAL WEALTH OR ACCESS TO WEALTHY CIRCLES CERTAINLY MAKES THE PROCESS A LOT EASIER.

ALSO WOMEN HAVE A HARDER TIME FUND-RAISING.

WOMEN OF COLOR HAVE AN EVEN HARDER TIME FUND-RAISING THAN WHITE WOMEN.

AND THESE ARE JUST FACTS AND THEY'RE REAL AND THERE'S SOMETHING TO REALLY CONSIDER, BUT THEN THERE ARE THE INTERNAL BATTLES, THE FEELINGS AROUND, ARE WE QUALIFIED ENOUGH?

THE FEARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE EMBARRASSED, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SEXUALIZED, HUMILIATED IN SOME WAY, IF WE TAKE A STEP INTO THE PUBLIC ARENA.

AND THE BOOK DOES NOT DISMISS THOSE FEARS OR SAY THAT THERE'S NOT A REALITY TO THEM, BUT WE ALSO OFFER WOMEN, I HOPE, A LOT OF WAYS TO COMBAT THESE INTERNAL FEARS AND TO ADDRESS THEM.

AND I THINK ULTIMATELY, BY PROVIDING WOMEN WITH A CHECKLIST AND A PATH AND A ROAD MAP THAT THEY CAN REALLY WORK AND THEY CAN REALLY INTERACT WITH.

BY THE END OF IT, MY HOPE IS THEY'RE REALLY ARMED FOR THIS PROCESS IN A DIFFERENT WAY AND THAT THEY -- WHAT THEY REALLY WALK AWAY FROM, THE BOOK WITH, IS THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'RE NOT ALONE IN THIS, THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING SOMEONE WDOES ALOE AND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ENGAGING A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THEM TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

>> WHY DO YOU THINK -- YOU MENTIONED THE QUALIFICATIONS AND I WAS STRUCK BY A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE BOOK.

ONE IS THE FACT THAT SURVEYS HAVE SHOWN THAT EVEN MEN WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED THINK THEY'RE QUALIFIED.

EVEN THOUGH WHO HAVE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT QUALIFIED HAVE SAID, YEAH, BUT I'M OKAY, I'M QUALIFIED TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

AND YET SO MANY WOMEN WHO ARE HIGHLY QUALIFIED MIGHT QUESTION THAT ABOUT THEMSELVES.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

>> YEAH.

WELL, I THINK, HONESTLY, JACK, IT'S BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A SEXIST CULTURE.

AND WOMEN ARE NOT PRIMED AS LEADERS.

WE ARE NOT PRIMED TO BELIEVE THIS IS FOR US.

I ALSO THINK REPRESENTATION MATTERS AND SO IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE YOURSELF AS SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON'T SEE MUCH MODELING FOR IT.

SO, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY WE'RE INTERNALIZING THESE MESSAGES AND WE'RE INTERNALIZING THAT -- THE PATE YARD CALL CULTURE THAT WE LIVE IN, WE ARE ALSO APART OF IT, AND IT SEEPS IN, SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP, OF COURSE, IS TO IDENTIFY THAT THESE ARE MESSAGES AND JUST THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING INHERENT, THAT'S TRUE.

AND THEN WORK TO DISMABTLE THAT.

>> THE CHAPTERS ARE ALL -- THEY'RE ALL INTRIGUING.

THEY RANGE FROM BIGGER PICTURES, YOU TALK ABOUT FUND-RAISING, WHERE DO YOU GO TO FIND THE MONEY?

YOU MENTIONED EMILY'S LIST AND THE ROLE THEY CAN PLAY, BUT YOU EVEN FOCUS ON, HAVE A SORT OF A MICROFOCUS, YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU SHOULD WEAR.

WHAT SHOULD YOUR UNIFORM BE?

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT CHAPTER.

>> WELL, THAT WAS A REALLY DIFFICULT CHAPTER TO WRITE, AND I STILL -- I'M STILL NOT SURE IF WE SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED IT, AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, FOR SO MANY WOMEN, BEAUTY STANDARDS ARE COMPLICATED AND POTENTIALLY DAMAGING AND SO TO WRITE ANYTHING THAT PRESCRIBED WHAT TO WEAR FOR WOMEN WAS VERY TROUBLESOME TO ME.

AND YET, WE GOT SO MANY QUESTIONS WHEN WE STARTED TO TALK TO WOMEN WHO WERE CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR OFFICE ABOUT THIS VERY SUBJECT.

AND A LOT OF THEM JUST WANTED TO BE TOLD WHAT TO WEAR AND SO THAT THEY COULD MOVE ON WITH THE REST OF THEIR CAMPAIGN AND FOCUS ON THE THINGS THEY ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT.

SO, ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS A REAL -- CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE IN THAT CHAPTER, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND BUY A WHOLE NEW WARDROBE, YES, WE GIVE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON OUTFITS THAT MIGHT WORK.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO NOT SPEND ANY MONEY AND TIME ON IT, WE JUST TELL WOMEN TO GO INTO THEIR CLOSET AND PUT ON SOMETHING THAT MAKES THEM FEEL REALLY GREAT.

AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT AT ALL, THEY SHOULD JUST MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT CHAPTER.

BECAUSE IT IS A BIT OF A BERMUDA TRIANGLE, BUT TURNS OUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO INCLUDE, BECAUSE -- BECAUSE IT IS A BIG ISSUE FOR SO MANY WOMEN.

>> WE ARE A VISUAL SOCIETY.

AND, YOU KNOW, MEN HAVE IT -- >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MEN HAVE ADVISERS TO TELL THEM WHAT COLOR TIE TO WEAR -- >> THAT'S TRUE.

BUT I THINK FOR WOMEN -- MEN PUT ON A SUIT AND THEY SEEM POWERFUL.

AND FOR WOMEN, IT'S A MUCH TRICKIER THING TO DO, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT COSTUME OF POWER TO JUST PUT ON.

FOR WOMEN, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY.

>> TALK ABOUT THE CHECKLIST, BECAUSE I -- AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT, IN THE VERY BEGINNING, THIS INFUSION OF HUMOR, BUT IT'S POWERFUL HUMOR.

AND IT'S INFORMATIVE HUMOR.

TALK ABOUT HOW YOU EWE TILLIZED THE CHECKLIST AT THE END OF EACH CHAPTER.

>> WELL, SO, WE START BY REALLY ASKING WOMEN TO JUST SAY IT OUT LOUD AND TO TELL SOMEONE OUT LOUD AND AT THE END OF THAT CHAPTER, THEY GET TO CHECK A LITTLE BOX.

WE THINK GOING THROUGH THE BOOK AND CHECKING THAT BOX AND HAVING DONE THE WORK AND RESEARCH FOR WHATEVER THAT CHAPTER IS ASKING YOU TO DO, 'EM POWERS WOMEN TO FEEL MORE READY TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW?

SO MANY OF US, I MEAN, I'M ONE OF THESE WOMEN, I LIKE TO KNOW THAT I'VE DONE ALL OF THE WORK AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE I CAN GO DO THE THING.

BUT -- BUT YES, THERE'S A CHECKLIST, YES, WE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT IT, YES, I THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE, AND ALSO, MY HOPE IS THAT WOMEN DON'T USE THIS BOOK AS A CRUTCH.

THAT IF THEY ARE ON THE FIRST CHAPTER AND THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK I'M READY TO RUN NOW, I HOPE THEY CLOSE IT AND JUST START.

BECAUSE I -- I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME TO WAIT.

>> I'VE OFTEN BELIEVED, SORT OF COMPLIMENT FOR YOU, IF I MIGHT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AS A GOVERNMENT AND I TEACH IN VARIOUS COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES AND I SAID, LOOK, OUR FOUNDERS ENVISIONED THIS AS CITIZEN LEGISLATORS, NOT PROFESSION ALLEGE SLAL OR THES.

TALKING ABOUT BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE HERE.

WE'VE BECOME MUCH MORE GOVERNED BY PROFESSION ALLEGE SLAY OR THES, ALMOST AT EVERY LEVEL.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT VALUES OF YOUR BOOK HERE, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE THINGS WE MENTIONED, LEARNING AND LEARNING IN A WAY THAT'S ENJOYABLE, BUT IT ALSO PRESENTS A BIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO BE A CITIZEN LEGISLATOR AND YOU HAPPEN TO BE A WOMAN, COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND WE'LL HELP YOU GET THERE.

THAT BEING SAID, WHAT'S THE -- IF SOMEBODY SAID TO YOU, OKAY, I'M A WOMAN, I'M REALLY INTERESTED, WHAT'S THE BEST PIECE OF ADVICE YOU CAN GIVE ME?

ABOUT RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

HOW DO YOU DISTILL IT?

>> I THINK THE BEST PIECE OF ADVICE I WOULD GIVE IS TO START TALKING ABOUT IT.

I'M -- THAT WAS THE FIRST THING KATE SAID TO ME IN OUR VERY FIRST PHONE CALL.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AMAZING, BECAUSE SHE -- SHE SAID IT WAS THE FIRST THING WOMEN SHOULD DO EVEN BEFORE THEY FIGURED OUT WHERE TO RUN OR WHAT THE EXACT REQUIREMENTS WERE FOR THAT SPECIFIC SEAT, THAT THEY SHOULD SIMPLY START SAYING IT ALLOWED.

SO, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PIECE OF ADVICE, BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT -- THAT THE SORT OF PROMISE OF OUR DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT WE THE PEOPLE.

AND THAT MEANS ALL OF US PEOPLE.

AND ONE OF THE COOL THINGS -- COOL FACTS WE ADD IN THE BOOK IS THAT MOST WOMEN ARE RUNNING BECAUSE THEY SEE A PROBLEM THAT DIRECTLY EFFECTS THEM AND THEY WANT TO SOLVE IT.

NOT ALL MEN, BUT A LOT OF MEN ARE RUNNING FOR THE CAREER ADVANCEMENT.

SO, WE SHOULD ALL WANT PEOPLE IN OFFICE, MEN OR WOMEN, ANY GENDER, WHO ARE RUNNING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT THEY SEE.

AND I THINK THAT IDEA OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, WE'RE NOT REALLY TEACHING CIVICS ANYMORE.

IT IS SO MYSTERIOUS.

AND WE DON'T OFTEN THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO AND I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE READ THE BOOK AND WALK AWAY FROM IT THINKING, OH, I AM APART OF ALL OF THIS THAT I SEE AROUND ME AND THAT COULD MEAN A RUN FOR OFFICE.

>> WELL, ONCE AGAIN, THE BOOK IS TITLED "REPRESENT: THE WOMAN'S GUIDE TO RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND CHANGING THE WORLD."

JUNE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US IT'S JUST WONDERFUL WORK THAT YOU AND KATE DID.

YOU BE WELL.

>> YOU, TOO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>> "METROFOCUS" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY -- SUE AND EDGAR WACHENHEIM III, THE PETER G. PETERSON AND JOAN GANZ COONEY FUND, BERNARD AND DENISE SCHWARTZ, BARBARA HOPE ZUCKERBERG, THE AMBROSE MONELL FOUNDATION.

AND BY --