[theme music] WENDY WILLIAMS: The Pennsylvania Game is made possible in part by-- ANNOUNCER: By a grant from the Pennsylvania Public Television Network.

The network receives funding from the Commonwealth to provide public television for all Pennsylvanians.

WENDY WILLIAMS: Now let's get the game started.

Here's the host of The Pennsylvania Game, Scott Bruce.

My people.

Yes.

I love them.

Thank you, studio audience.

Thank you, folks at home, for joining in.

We've got a great new edition of The Pennsylvania Game.

I'm so excited, I can't wait to get started.

What do you say we meet our panelists today?

He's a singer, dancer and storyteller.

It's the hip Dutchman from Lancaster County.

Please welcome Amos Karnacher.

[cheers, applause] Back for a repeat visit.

Many of you may recognize our next panelist from her days at WTAJ-TV central region bureau chief.

She's currently the deputy press secretary for attorney general, Mike Fisher.

Please give a warm welcome to Barbara Petito.

[applause] SCOTT BRUCE: And last and certainly not least.

Jerry Zolten is an assistant professor at Penn State Altoona.

In addition to academics, he regularly performs with the R&B group Code Blue.

He's producer of Wreckin' the House, an album of traditional African-American gospel by Grammy winners, The Fairfield Four, please welcome Jerry Zolten!

[cheers, applause] My panel looks ready.

My audience is ready.

We're ready at home.

How about a question?

WENDY WILLIAMS: A beer-making renaissance began in Pennsylvania in 1987 when the state's first microbrewery was established by one of the country's few female brewers.

Is it A, Poor Henry's, B, Dirty Dawg Brewing Company, C, Samuel Adam's Brew House, or D, Stoudt's Brewing Company?

SCOTT BRUCE: A female brewer.

Kind of my dream date, actually.

Was it Poor Henry's, Dirty Dawg Brewing Company-- [liquid pouring] --nice work, sound effects-- Samuel Adam's Brew House, or Stoudt's Brewing Company?

Amos, we're going to go to you first.

I got to punch in?

SCOTT BRUCE: Yes, please punch in.

That would be good.

And what is your answer?

Well, I think Stoudt's is up there in Adamstown in Lancaster County, and they're doing pretty well for all these years.

So I guess I got to go with them.

D. SCOTT BRUCE: You're going to go with the Stoudt's, stick with your homeboys.

I like that.

Yeah, the homies.

Barbara, what do you think?

Sticking with the guy with the hat.

I'm going with Stoudt's, too.

SCOTT BRUCE: We have two Stoudt's.

Two Stoudt's.

Lancaster's scoring well.

Jerry Zolten, you gotta make it a clean sweep?

Well, you'd think a beer made with some Pennsylvania river water might be B, but I went with D, instead.

SCOTT BRUCE: Stoudt's.

All three have the same answer.

That means they all win.

[cheers, applause] A lottery ticket from the Pennsylvania lottery.

Take one and pass them down.

Thank you.

They've all picked Stoudt's.

They've all got tickets.

And what else did they win, Wendy?

WENDY WILLIAMS: The answer is D, Stoudt's Brewing Company.

Once a thriving brewing center, most of Pennsylvania's breweries were forced out of business by prohibition and the Great Depression.

By the mid-60s, less than 10 breweries remained in business.

Today, there are about 50 breweries, with new ones opening all the time.

Stoudt's Brewing Company, the first microbrewery, a brewery that produces under 15,000 barrels a year, was established by Carol Stoudt in 1987.

Located in Adamstown, Stoudt's produces more than 4,600 barrels a year.

Along with these new microbreweries, Pennsylvania has six old guard brewers that survive prohibition.

That's more than any other state.

Among them is America's oldest brewery, Yuengling.

It's said that Straub and Yuengling give two of the best industrial brewery tours in the country.

See.

[applause] Our panelists have finally been able to find a use for all that time they've spent in bars.

They knew the beer question.

Hey, hey, hey.

Time to move on with a whole new question.

WENDY WILLIAMS: Philadelphia City Hall, a national historic landmark rises 510 feet into the air, making it the largest and tallest masonry building in the world.

Which of the following is not true about the landmark?

A, there's more gold leaf in City Hall than in any other building in the world, B, it's larger than the US Capital, C, it features the tallest statue on any building in the world, or D, in 1993, 37 tons of pigeon guano were removed from the roof.

SCOTT BRUCE: What other show brings you this type of culture, ladies and gentlemen?

Which one is not true?

Remember, it's a not true.

There's more gold leaf in the City Hall than any other building in the world, it's larger than the US Capital, it features the tallest statue on any building in the world, In 1993, 37 tons of pigeon guano was removed-- there goes some now-- from the roof.

Barbara, we go to you first.

I'm going to say A. SCOTT BRUCE: A, the gold leaf.

That can't be.

I'm with the pigeon guano.

I think that happened.

SCOTT BRUCE: You're down with the pigeon guano?

BARBARA PEPITO: No, I think that happened.

OK. All right.

Well, let's find out.

Jerry, what do you think?

I don't know if it was 37 tons, exactly, but for that reason, I went with C. I think I went with C, didn't I?

Yes.

Because I don't remember Ben Franklin being all that tall.

SCOTT BRUCE: Ah.

Well.

Good thinking on that one.

How about you, Amos?

Any tall buildings down your way?

Yeah, there's one that's seven stories tall.

SCOTT BRUCE: Oh, my goodness, that's big.

What did you pick today?

That's 18 outhouses.

SCOTT BRUCE: [laughs] Let me see.

Well, I don't know.

See, when they said The Pennsylvania Game, I thought this was going to be with balls and bats and stuff.

I didn't know you have to study for it, but I put A. SCOTT BRUCE: A.

So you went with the gold leaf?

So we have two gold leafs, one Ben Franklin.

Let's find out what it is.

WENDY WILLIAMS: The answer is A.

You won't find more gold leaf in City Hall.

Although the controversial landmark in the heart of center city is the most expensive municipal building ever built in the United States.

At 548 feet from the street to the top of the statue of William Penn, it is also the largest and tallest building in the world without a steel skeleton.

Even larger than the US Capitol.

The William Penn statue stands 37 feet high and weighs 27 tons, making it the tallest statue on any building in the world.

The building which cost $24.3 million-- that's 6.4 billion in today's dollars-- is about to get $130 million face wash. A bird proofing project in 1993 cleaned out 37 tons of pigeon guano from the roof.

Mm.

A couple of quick notes-- [applause] Obviously, Jerry didn't even know which guy was on top of the building.

It's William Penn, not Benjamin Franklin.

And I don't think 18 outhouses would be enough to hold the 37 tons of guano.

But enough of that.

Let's go ahead and meet our panel a little bit more closely.

Amos Karnacher, the hip Dutchman.

What is, [blabbering] I've lost my ability to speak.

AMOS KARNACHER: I do that to people.

What, [laughs] what's so exciting about being down in the Dutch country?

Oh, well, it's so exciting down there.

I know you're a comedian.

I play a lot of the Amish comedy clubs down there.

I don't know if you ever heard of them, like Snickerdoodles-- SCOTT BRUCE: Snickerdoodles.

--and [indistinct] and The Laughing Outhouse.

SCOTT BRUCE: The Laughing Outhouse.

And they're tough there.

If they don't like your jokes, they don't heckle.

They shun.

SCOTT BRUCE: [laughs] OK. We don't want that.

No shunning for us.

Barbara, down to you.

Now, you used to be on the other side of the coin where you took all those no comments from people.

Now you're in the position where you got to give them.

Do you have to give them now?

Now all I say is I can't confirm or deny.

That's all I'm saying.

SCOTT BRUCE: Aah.

Hold your head high and move on, huh?

It's a completely different scene, but I'm loving it.

I'm having a lot of fun.

SCOTT BRUCE: Good for you.

Yeah-- Glad to have you with people.

And down to you, Jer.

I see on my notes here something that I didn't know, that it said you did some studio work with Paul Simon.

Oh, yeah.

I was working with the Dixie Hummingbirds, who had a big hit with Paul Simon in the '70s.

"Loves Me Like a Rock."

For their new 70th anniversary album, they've recreated that song, and we rerecorded it in Philadelphia, and Paul Simon was there, and I was there.

It was-- SCOTT BRUCE: Great stuff.

--a lot of fun.

SCOTT BRUCE: I didn't even know about it.

That's good to hear.

OK. [applause] Wasting no time, let's jump back to the game for a new question.

WENDY WILLIAMS: From the late 1800s to 1930, inclined planes, cable-car type vehicles, carried passengers and cargo up and down Pittsburgh's steep hillsides.

Why were they discontinued?

A, too many fatal accidents, B, because of environmental concerns.

C, motor vehicles and new roads made them obsolete, or D, they were unreliable in the winter due to ice buildup on the tracks.

SCOTT BRUCE: Being from Johnstown and a fan of our own inclined plane down there, I love this question.

Did they have too many fatal accidents?

Did they prove to be unprofitable because of high maintenance costs?

Did motor vehicles and new roads make them obsolete?

Or were they unreliable in the winter due to ice buildup on the tracks?

Jerry, down to you first.

I'm going to go with C. I remember those inclined planes operating for years.

But I think with the bridges and the roads, people just didn't need to take that route.

SCOTT BRUCE: Just another case of modernization, killing something good.

What do you think, Amos?

I went with C. The PennDOT guys are always on the job, so-- [laughter] SCOTT BRUCE: Very good.

How about you, Barbara?

C on PennDOT.

I didn't even know they were disconnected.

I thought they were-- I went with C also, motor vehicles-- SCOTT BRUCE: Three C's.

Motor vehicle-- SCOTT BRUCE: What could that mean?

Lottery tickets, lottery tickets, lottery tickets.

Pass them down.

They've got lottery tickets.

Let's see if they've also got the right answer.

WENDY WILLIAMS: The answer is C, motor vehicles and new roads replaced the inclined planes, called inclines, for short.

In the 1870s, the first of these remarkable engineering works were built to haul cargo and people up and down Pittsburgh's precipitous hillsides.

By the early 1900s, Pittsburgh operated as many as 16 inclined planes, more than any other city in the world.

Some inclines could carry a hundred passengers plus horses, wagons, and produce, or 20 tons of coal in a single or double car.

The inclines enjoyed brisk passenger business, some transporting as many as a million patrons a year.

Surprisingly, fatal accidents were rare in the inclines' long history.

Two Pittsburgh inclines, both on the National Register of Historic Places, continue to carry daily passengers for a dollar fare.

Ooh, wonderful.

OK, time to check our tote board and see what we have.

Amos has 3 points, Barbara has 3 points, Jerry right behind with 2.

[applause] We're off and running on this game.

That means it's time for our first clue in the Mystery Pennsylvanian.

Get your pens ready.

Here we go, kids.

Your first clue is-- born in Allegheny in 1874, she was best known for her innovative prose style.

[chiming melody] Born in Allegheny in 1874.

She was best known for her innovative prose style.

My guess is it's a woman.

[laughter] Call me wacky.

Everybody's writing something.

Everybody's either thinking or writing something, and it's going to be time to move on.

So let's go to our next question.

WENDY WILLIAMS: In 1960, MVP shortstop Dick Groat hit a National League leading .325 and captained the Pittsburgh Pirates to their first world championship in 35 years.

But a success on the diamond was bittersweet.

"I'm remembered as a baseball player," Groat said in 1999, "and not by the sport I played the best."

Was the sport A, basketball, B, football, C, hockey, or D, bowling?

SCOTT BRUCE: What the heck did Dick Groat feel he played better?

Was it basketball, football, hockey or bowling?

Amos, we'll go to you first.

I guess bowling, no idea.

SCOTT BRUCE: Bowling, that's a good-- That's a good ignored sport.

SCOTT BRUCE: Yeah, I like that.

How about you, Barbara?

It's hockey.

SCOTT BRUCE: It's hockey.

She knows.

She-- I don't know.

SCOTT BRUCE: --feels good.

All right.

I'm making that up.

I don't know.

SCOTT BRUCE: Jer?

I went with bowling.

I remember when I was a pinsetter back in McKeesport, I think seeing Dick Groat at the other end of the alley.

SCOTT BRUCE: You think you saw Dick all the way down the lane?

No, I got hit with a lot of bowling pins in those days.

We got two bowlings.

We've got hockey.

I think we got wrong answers.

[laughter] WENDY WILLIAMS: The answer is A, basketball.

The nation's first dual sport star, Dick Groat, was named basketball's national player of the year in 1952 after averaging 26 points and 7.6 assists as a senior at Duke.

That same year, he went straight to the majors from the College World Series, hitting a team high .284 in 95 games for the Pittsburgh Pirates.

That winter, Groat suited up for the Fort Wayne Pistons and intended to play two pro sports.

But the Pirates' general manager convinced him he couldn't give 100% to both.

Although basketball was his first love, and baseball, he considered hard work, Groat honored his contract with Pittsburgh.

In 1962, he was traded to St. Louis and retired from baseball in 1967.

Today, he's a radio analyst for Pitt basketball.

[applause] Dick Groat and Bill Mazeroski were probably the greatest double-play combination in the history of baseball.

And Bill Mazeroski is still not in the hall of fame.

Write a letter.

Sorry, I got too carried away.

Let's go to a new question.

WENDY WILLIAMS: Penn State developed a product that is used around the world by 90% of the organizations in this industry.

Is it the A, ice cream scooper, B, highway road reflectors, C, meteorological satellites, or D, golf turfgrass?

SCOTT BRUCE: Hmm, Penn State.

What Penn State product do you use around the world.

Is it the ice cream scooper, highway road reflectors, meteorological satellites or golf turf grass.

Barbara, how do you feel about these.

Aah.

I should know this.

I don't.

It's the turfgrass.

SCOTT BRUCE: You're going with the turfgrass.

Well, we'll find out if you do know it.

Jerry, what do you think?

I feel in my heart that it's the turfgrass, as well.

SCOTT BRUCE: We got two turfgrasses.

Could it be three?

No.

SCOTT BRUCE: Oh!

We saved a lottery ticket.

I guess the A, the ice cream scooper because of the Creamery.

SCOTT BRUCE: Oh, the Creamery ice cream scooper.

So we've got a scooper, we got some turfgrass.

Let's find out what it really is.

WENDY WILLIAMS: The answer is D, golf turfgrass.

Penn State researchers have spent years perfecting the emerald carpet of grass types now used on 90% of all golf courses around the world.

Penncross, considered the industry standard, is just one in a long line of grasses specially developed by Penn State for the nation's putting greens.

The heat tolerant strains were designed to stand up to extremely low mowing heights, commonly one eighth of an inch, used on many top golf courses.

Penn State grasses are so dense that 13,000 shoots can fit onto the space the size of a quarter.

By comparison, a typical homeowner's lawn might have 20 shoots growing in the same space.

Fascinating.

Fascinating stuff.

That brings us to the part of the show where we check our scores.

As I look down, the guys have 3.

But guess what?

Barbara with a 4 is leading the charge.

[cheers, applause] That means it's time for our next clue in the Mystery Pennsylvanian.

Pens ready.

Contestants, here we go.

Clue number 2, an avant-garde writer, eccentric, and self-styled genius, her Paris home was a salon for the leading artists and writers of her time.

[chiming melody] Key word in there might have been Paris, kids.

An avant-garde writer, eccentric, and self-styled genius.

Her Paris home was a salon for the leading artists and writers of her time.

Born in Allegheny in 1874, she was best known for her innovative prose style.

Everybody seems to have something going.

Barbara's thinking, thinking, but we're running out of time, so we're going to go back to the next question.

[somber music] WENDY WILLIAMS: A Pennsylvania native, Lawrence Gobright worked for the Associated Press in Washington since its founding in 1848.

On April 14, 1865, Gobright filed, quote, "a short special," that is still quoted as a model of terse storytelling.

Was he reporting on A, the assassination of President Lincoln, B, General Lee's surrender at Appomattox, C, the free delivery of mail to all cities with 50,000 people or more, or D, the first railroad train robber.

SCOTT BRUCE: All right.

This occurred on April 14, 1865.

Associate Press reporter Lawrence Gobright, did he report on the assassination of President Lincoln, General Lee's surrender at Appomattox, the free delivery of mail to all cities with 50,000 people or more, or the first railroad train robbery?

Jerry, we're sliding down to you.

A complete blank.

I just went with the first one up there.

The dates seemed about right.

SCOTT BRUCE: The dates would seem about the assassination.

That makes sense to me.

How about you, Amos?

Same thing.

And they played sad music during that.

SCOTT BRUCE: And they played sad music.

Always looking for our little underclues.

Very nice.

Barbara?

The year sounds right.

I don't know about the date.

I went with the first railroad train robbery.

That would seem to be, you know-- SCOTT BRUCE: Blowing off the chance for lottery tickets.

Once again.

SCOTT BRUCE: And yet, that's not all she blew.

Let's find out.

WENDY WILLIAMS: The answer is A, the assassination of President Lincoln.

Lawrence Gobright, a native of Pennsylvania, was alone leafing through the newspaper in the office of the Associated Press when an excited friend burst through the door, shouting that he had witnessed the president's assassination.

Gobright heard the gist of the story, then raced to Ford's Theater to examine the scene for himself.

Minutes later, he ran into the telegraph office and filed a short special, which began, "Washington, Friday, April 14, 1865.

The president was shot in a theater tonight and is perhaps mortally wounded."

Gobright's dry factual dispatch, written in chronological order as dictated by the style of the day, has been described as one of the first examples of objective news writing.

[applause] Gobright reported the so-called gunpowder news during the Civil War and came to know Lincoln well.

Other reporters complained that censors gave him special leeway in reporting the news.

So once again, you come to our show, you learn stuff.

I like that.

Let's learn something new right now.

WENDY WILLIAMS: The Rodin Museum, administered by the Philadelphia Museum of Art, houses the greatest collection of Auguste Rodin outside of Paris.

Which of the following is not one of this famous sculptor's works?

A, The Kiss, B, The Thinker, C, The Athlete, or D, My Lef SCOTT BRUCE: Which one was not the famous sculptor's works?

The Kiss-- [smooching sound] --there we go, The Thinker-- go ahead, find a sound for that one-- [laughter] --The Athlete-- [chiming melody] [laughter] --or My Left Foot.

OK, we're going to go to Amos first on this.

Which do you think it might be?

Oh, gosh, I hit the wrong button.

Oh, you did?

Well, tell us what you meant.

I meant A, The Kiss.

SCOTT BRUCE: You meant A, The Kiss.

OK, well, that's probably going to cost you later.

AMOS KARNACHER: OK. SCOTT BRUCE: Barbara, what do you think?

You're cheating.

The Thinker.

SCOTT BRUCE: The Thinker?

You went with The Thinker.

You went with C. OK, that's a good answer.

JERRY ZOLTEN: I was hoping that that statue of Ben Franklin that sits on the-- [laughter] But that's not there.

So I went with The Athlete.

I don't think that Rodin-- SCOTT BRUCE: The Athlete?

So we have The Kiss, The Thinker and The Athlete, and nobody went with My Left Foot.

Give me the answer.

WENDY WILLIAMS: The answer is D, My Left Foot.

The Rodin Museum was commissioned in 1923 to house the Rodin art collection of philanthropist Jules Mastbaum.

Mastbaum acquired not only finished bronze sculptures, but plaster studies, drawings, prints, letters and books, the greatest Rodin collection outside of Paris.

The museum displays bronze casts of the artist's greatest works, including The Thinker, perhaps the most famous sculpture in the world.

As well as The Kiss and The Athlete.

Although Auguste Rodin's rough surface sculptures resemble impressionist paintings, he aimed to copy exactly what he saw.

He often chose models who were unattractive by conventional standards, believing that beauty is defined as that which has character.

Rodin died in 1917 at age 77.

[laughter] SCOTT BRUCE: That brings us right up to our mystery clue number 3.

Everybody ready.

Here it comes.

The grand duchess of what's-it-all-about literature.

She perplexed the world with such sentences as, "A rose is a rose is a rose."

[chiming melody] The grand duchess of what's-it-all-about literature.

She perplexed the world with such sentences as "A rose is a rose is a rose."

And my whole panel smells sweet, by the way.

She was born in Allegheny in 1874.

She was best known for her innovative prose style.

An avant-garde writer, eccentric, and self-styled genius.

Her Paris home was a salon for the leading artists and writers of her time.

And we are going to go to Barbara first as she finishes scribbling.

It's time.

Place it up so we can see it.

We all want to look.

Put it right in front there.

What do you have?

Sarah Something.

SCOTT BRUCE: Sarah Something.

I remember her.

She was innovative.

Diane Von Furstenberg.

Who's that?

No, that's not it.

SCOTT BRUCE: No.

But I like the little smileys in the middle.

I like your artwork.

Thank you.

SCOTT BRUCE: That's lovely.

Thank you very much for brightening up our show with that.

Jer, what do you have?

I guess I have to reveal my ignorance at this point.

But I started with Eudora Welty.

Even though she's from the south, who knows?

I thought, maybe, she got tired of it and moved there.

Then I went with Dorothy Parker, for reasons that are unclear to me.

But Lillian Hellman may be the person we're looking for.

I don't know.

But we'll find out.

SCOTT BRUCE: All wonderful answers.

JERRY ZOLTEN: Thank you so much.

I think they're entirely wrong, but they're wonderful answers.

[laughter] Amos, what do you think?

I don't know.

I said Gertrude Stein.

SCOTT BRUCE: You went with Gertrude Stein on both the second and third lines.

OK. Now, Jerry is nodding.

He thinks it might be it.

Can he change now?

I don't think the producers are going to let us do that.

Let's find out from Wendy what the right answer is.

WENDY WILLIAMS: Gertrude Stein-- [applause] --author, poet, feminist and playwright, was a radical innovator in 20th century literature.

As a writer, she experimented with language.

As an art collector, she recognized the early genius of artists like Matisse and Picasso.

Born on the north side of Pittsburgh, she spent much of her life in Paris with other post-World War I expatriate American writers, whom she described as a lost generation.

She wrote more than 40 books in four decades before she died in Paris in 1946.

Her first book to reach a wide public was The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas, actually, Stein's own autobiography.

The author of such lines as, "When I'm alone, I am.

When I'm not, I'm not."

Some critics complain that they didn't know what she was talking about.

Gertrude Stein, a famous Pennsylvanian.

Gertrude Stein.

Jerry knew it too late.

[applause] But Amos seemed to know it.

And I think that might have helped him because as I look down to the tote board, it turns out the score is 6 to 4 to 4.

Amos has pulled it out from behind!

[cheers, applause] From behind.

Is that some kind of Amish thing or what?

I can't believe it.

It was just great.

Wendy, let's tell him what he's won.

WENDY WILLIAMS: OK, Scott, we've got passes to Longwood Gardens in historic Kennett Square and to Pennsylvania's flagship, the US Brig Niagara in Erie.

Plus, 50 chances to win $1,000 a week for life from the Pennsylvania lottery.

And just as a special little hoot, we have some extra prizes for him.

His own Amish watch!

Ha ha ha!

[applause] His Amish sundial watch and his tape, he brought them out and we handed them out to the contestants and the people in the audience, and they were just so gracious.

We had a wonderful time.

I hope you did at home, too.

If you have a question for The Pennsylvania Game, why not send it to The Pennsylvania Game, Wagner Building, University Park, PA 16802.

You'll win a free subscription to Pennsylvania Magazine.

And also, feel free to stop by at our website, wpsx.psu.edu.

In the meantime, thanks to everybody.

Have a great night.

We'll see you next time.

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The network receives funding from the commonwealth to provide public television for all Pennsylvanians.

WENDY WILLIAMS: Guest accommodations provided by the Nittany Lion Inn on the University Park campus of Penn State.

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