>> TWO DOZEN NEW YORK COUNTIES SAY NO TO MIGRANTS... A CHANGING RELIGIOUS LANDSCAPE IN AMERICA... AND THE GOP FIELD GETS CROWDED, AGAIN.

STAY TUNED, IVORY TOWER IS NEXT.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED AROUND THE TABLE TONIGHT BY CHAD SPARBER, FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY.

TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM GANNON UNIVERSITY AND MICHAEL TILLOTSON, FROM SUNY CORTLAND.

LAST WEEK ON THIS PROGRAM WE DISCUSSED THE INFLUX OF ASYLUM SEEKERS TO NEW YORK AND WHETHER UPSTATE CITIES SHOULD TAKE IN ANY OF THESE MIGRANTS.

SINCE THEN, THE ISSUE HAS ONLY BECOME MORE CONTENTIOUS.

HERE IN ONONDAGA COUNTY A JUDGE HAS BLOCKED A MOVE BY A HOTEL TO HOUSE AT LEAST ONE BUSLOAD SENT NORTH BY NEW YORK MAYOR ERIC ADAMS.

MORE THAN TWO DOZEN NEW YORK COUNTIES HAVE ALSO MOVED TO BLOCK THE CITY FROM SENDING MIGRANTS THEIR WAY.

THERE ARE REPORTS THAT MIGRANTS WILL BE HOUSED AT SUNY CAMPUSES IN BUFFALO, ALBANY AND STONY BROOK ON LONG ISLAND.

MEANWHILE, GOVERNOR HOCHUL CONTINUES TO PUSH MIGRANTS AS A SOLUTION TO STATE LABOR SHORTAGES.

DO WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO HELP OUT NEW YORK CITY •AND TEXAS, WHERE MANY ARE CROSSING THE BORDER?

>> WELL, OBLIGATION SOUNDS LIKE A MORAL OR LEGAL CLAIM.

AND NO, EVEN AS A BIG BELIEVER IN SUBISDIARITY.

THIS HAS EXPOSED THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT'S WEAKNESSES ON IMMIGRATION.

HOCHUL'S CLAIM IS AN ECONOMIC ONE.

SHE IS MORE OR LESS RIGHT IN SUGGESTING THAT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS.

IMMIGRANTS DO JOBS THAT AMERICANS TYPICALLY DON'T DO.

AND IT'S COUPLED WITH SOME RESEARCH BY PATRICIA CORTEZ THAT SAYS THAT IMMIGRANTS REDUCE PRICES IN THE SECTORS IN WHICH THEY SPECIALIZE, SPECIFICALLY SHE CITES HOUSEKEEPING, GARDENING AND FOOD SERVICE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING FREE HOUSING IN HOTELS, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT WE COULD STAND TO BENEFIT IF WE LET IMMIGRANTS WORK IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT ISSUE OF LETTING THEM WORK, THAT, AGAIN, IS A NATIONAL ISSUE.

>> SO THE FREE HOUSING THAT YOU MENTIONED, I MEAN NEW YORK CITY IS REQUIRED BY A COURT DECREE FROM 40 YEARS AGO TO PROVIDE SHELTER FOR SOMEONE THAT SHOWS UP IN THE CITY.

SO NOW THEY'RE SAYING WE CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE.

THERE ARE SO MANY AND IT'S SO EXPENSIVE.

WHY SHOULDN'T UPSTATE CITIES-- WE ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME STATE-- WHY SHOULDN'T UPTD HELP THEM OUT?

>> I THIS I WE SHOULD BUT LIKE CHAD SAID, IT'S A NATIONAL ISSUE.

WE ALL HAVE TO DO OUR PART.

WE CANNOT GIVE THE BURDEN JUST TO THE STATES THAT ARE ON THE BORDER.

I ON DO THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN LIVES HERE.

WE NEED HOUSING FOR THEM IN A WAY THAT THEY CAN MAKE A LIVING AND CONTRIBUTE F. THEY'RE HERE, THEN THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE IN WAYS THAT THERE ARE JOBS A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO DO TO START WITH.

WE ARE SEEING COLLEGES UNFORTUNATELY CLOSE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

WE HAVE HAD 36 SINCE MARCH 2020 AT LEAST.

THERE IS ONE COLLEGE IN PARTICULAR IN OUR AREA AS FAR AS I KNOW IS VACANT AND COULD HELP HOUSE OUR IMMIGRANTS.

>> WHILE I AGREE ON THE IDEA OF UTILIZING THE VACANT SPACES, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A SPACE ON MY CAMPUS, AGAIN, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THAT RIGHT NOW IS VACANT.

WHERE, AT LEAST TEMPORARILY SOME PEOPLE COULD BE HOUSED.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I ALSO THINK THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE THAT OFTEN DOESN'T GET DISCUSSED, AND THAT IS WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE.

IT IS A NATIONAL ISSUE.

BUT SINCE IT'S BEEN PUSHED ON TO SORT OF STATES AND CITIES, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN THE REFERENDUM FOR CITIES, STATES WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN ASKED, DO YOU WANT TO BE A SANCTUARY STATE, DO YOU WANT TO BE A SANCTUARY CITY BECAUSE CERTAINLY OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR THAT AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS I HAD WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S NEW YORK CITY BECAUSE MAYOR ADAMS IS DOING WHAT HE IS DOING PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES.

BUT HE DID DECLARE NEW YORK CITY AS A SANCTUARY CITY.

WHERE WAS THE REFERENDUM WHERE PEOPLE OF NEW YORK CITY SAID WE WANT TO BE A SANCTUARY CITY.

NOW IF THEY SAID WE WANT TO BE A SANCTUARY CITY, THEN OKAY, MAYOR ADAMS, GO FORTH FOR TWO REASONS.

BUT IN THE CASE OF THE COUNTIES THAT HAVE SAID THEY CAN'T TAKE ANY MIGRANTS, THEY ALSO ARE MAKING ARGUMENTS THAT WE'RE WE FLECTING THE REALITIES OF OUR COUNTIES AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE SAYING TO US.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM, I HAVE WITH THIS.

>> THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING RIGHT NOW-- AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SESHT SENT ON TO NEW YORK CITY, ARE ASYLUM SEEKERS.

SO THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT IN THE U.S. TO SEEK ASYLUM.

SOMEONE CAN COME IN.

THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT.

SO SHOULD THAT LAW BE CHANGED?

I WOULD SUSPECT THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEKING ASYLUM ARE NOT NECESSARILY COMING BECAUSE OF PERSECUTION AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

THERE IS CERTAINLY AN ECONOMIC ANGLE TO THIS, TOO.

SO SHOULD THAT IDEA OF ASYLUM SEEKER HAVING THE RIGHT TO STAY HERE, SHOULD THAT BE CHANGED MICHAEL?

>> OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO LOOK AT THE ISSUE.

WE CANNOT FORGET, TO BEN'S POINT, THAT THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS.

THEY'RE NOT LIVESTOCK.

THESE ARE WOMEN, THESE ARE CHILDREN, THESE ARE TEENAGERS, THESE ARE FATHERS WHO WANT A BETTER LIFE FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

AND THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONDITIONS THAT EXIST IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRIES.

ON THE OTHER HAND, HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS AS A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS WITHOUT OVERBURDENING THE PLACES THAT THEY'RE BEING SENT TO?

DO YOU USE IT AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL TO SCORE POINTS OR JUST IGNORE IT AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY?

THIS IS A CHALLENGE NOT JUST FOR CENTRAL NEW YORK, BUT IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR AMERICA.

THE QUESTION BECOMES, IN MY VIEW, ARE THE WORDS ON THE STATUE OF LIBERTY EMPTY IDEALS THAT NO LONGER DEFINE THE AMERICAN ETHOS OR WILL THEY FIND MEANINGFUL WAYS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES?

THERE ARE WAYS THIS CAN WORK.

WE THINK OF AKRON OHIO WHO HAVE ABSORBED THE IMMIGRANTS INTO THEIR TOWN IN MEANINGFUL WAYS.

LASTLY, I FIND IT INTERESTING THERE WAS $85 MILLION FOUND TO BUILD AN AQUARIUM BUT NOT THE POLITICAL WILL TO HELP HUMAN BEINGS WHO HAPPEN TO NOT LOOK LIKE YOU.

>> DAVID, YOU ASKED TWO QUESTIONS I WANT TO RETURN TO.

ONE IS SHOULD WE CHANGE THE LAW ON WHAT AN ASYLUM SEEKER IS?

THE LEGAL DEFEND SIGNIFICANTSES ESTABLISHED IN THE U.N. CONVENTION IN THE 1950s POST WAR, SO, YEAH, IT IS KIND OF OUTDATED IN THAT SENSE.

AND RELATED TO THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE EUROPE HAS ASYLUM SEEKER PRINCIPLES WHERE YOU GET TO SEE ASYLUM IN THE FIRST COUNTRY YOU SET FOOT IN.

THE U.S.

DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THAT PRINCIPLE.

BUT IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HAITIANS WHO SHOW UP TO THE UNITED STATES FIRST?

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HONDURANS WHO GO THROUGH MEXICO?

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THERE.

AND I THINK THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE ON THE TABLE.

THE OTHER QUESTION THOUGH, THAT YOU RAISED IS ABOUT NEW YORK AND TRYING TO ABSORB, YOU KNOW,-- THEY SAY THEY CAN'T ABSORB THESE PEOPLE.

LOOK, MAYOR ADAMS IS COMPLAINING ABOUT 60,000 ASYLUM SEEKERS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.

MIAMI RECEIVED TWICE THAT NUMBER IN THE SAME KIND OF TIMEFRAME DURING THE BOAT LIFT IN THE 1980s, EARLY 1980s.

WE DIDN'T SEE THE FEAR LABOR MARKET CONSEQUENCES LIKE WIDESPREAD UNEMPLOYMENT OR DECREASED WAGES IN THAT CASE.

IF MIAMI COULD DO IT IN 1980, NEW YORK CITY COULD DO IT NOW.

>> AND I WILL SAY THE ASYLUM SEEKER THING, NOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GENERALLY IN FEAR OF THEIR LIVES AND FAMILIES IN FEAR OF THEIR LIVES AND FINDING A COUNTRY THAT THEY ARE SAFE IN.

BUT IT'S ALSO A TWO-PART PROCESS.

AND SOME OF THE TIME IT'S USED TO GAIN SOME TIME HERE, IT TAKES ABOUT TWO YEARS FOR THAT PART, THE FIRST PART TO RUN ITS COURSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO A LEGAL THING WE SHOULD BE LOOK AT THAT IN GLOBALLY THAT WHAT IS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WORK WITH MEXICO TO BE THAT ONE COUNTRY.

AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T START SHIPPING OUR IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA AND NOT LEADING BY EXAMPLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS A FEW THINGS GOING ON.

>> NOW... A STUDY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO REPORTS ONLY HALF OF AMERICANS SAY THEY ARE CERTAIN GOD EXISTS.

34% OF AMERICANS NEVER GO TO CHURCH.

A SECOND STUDY, FROM THE PUBLIC RELIGION RESEARCH INSTITUTE SAYS 27% OF AMERICANS HAVE NO RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION, WHILE THE NUMBER OF WHITE CHRISTIANS HAS BEEN DROPPED SHARPLY.

THAT SAME SURVEY SAYS CHURCHGOERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE INVOLVED IN CIVIC AFFAIRS.

MICHAEL, HOW DOES THIS CHANGE AMERICANS APPROACH TO ORGANIZED RELIGION AND FAITH IN GOD UM PACT OUR CULTURE, OUR SOCIETY?

>> TO BE CLEAR, ORGANIZED RELIGION HAS ALWAYS AFFECTED SOCIETY AND CULTURE.

HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK?

WE CAN LOOK AT COLONIALISM.

THE COLONIZERS SAW THE BIBLE AS AN ECONOMIC INSTRUMENT TO BE USED IN THE EXPLOITATION OF AFRICA BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE THE BIBLE AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH.

THEY SAW IT AS AN INSTRUMENT TO BE MECHANIZED IN THE DUAL APPLICATION OF THE BIBLE AND THE GUN.

ADDITIONALLY GLOBAL WHITE SUPREMACY AND SEGREGATIONISTS IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE ALWAYS RELIED ON SELECTED PARTS OF THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THEIR MACK ANYTHINGSES AGAINST PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT.

AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, THEY USE IT TO CREATE A PSYCHOLOGY THEY'RE DIVINELY INSPIRED TO ACT AGAINST THE TYRANNICAL UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IN THEIR VIEW.

SO IT IS NOT DOES IT AFFECT CULTURE AND SOCIETY.

THE QUESTION IS WHEN HAS IT NOT?

>> WELL, WITH THIS CHANGE, THERE HAS ALWAYS HAD AN IMPACT.

SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED, TARA, ABOUT THIS DECLINE IN RELIGION AND FAITH.

>> NOT ONLY SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED.

QUITE FEIGNINGLY, I THINK WE SHOULD BE SCARED.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DECLINING FAITH AND THE COMPARE IT WITH THE RISE IN THE USE OF WEED, OR WE'LL BE NICE AND CALL IT CANNABIS, YOU LOOK AT THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM ANXIETY AND ON MEDICATION AND DEPRESSION, THE RISE IN THE DIVORCE RATE.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAS RISEN HAS RELIGION IS ON AT THIS HAS GONE DOWN.

I THINK IT IS HAVING A MAJOR IMPACT ON OUR SOCIETY AND IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT IS HAVE BEEN CITED BY PSYCHOLOGISTS AND PSYCHIATRISTS ESPECIALLY FOR TEENAGERS, AS TO WHY SO MANY ARE DEPRESSED, IT'S A LACK OF CONNECTION.

RELIGION WAS WHERE FIRST CONNECTIONS WERE BUILT WITH OTHER CHILDREN AND OTHER FAMILIES.

AS THIS HAS DECLINED, IT HAS INCREASED.

IT IS HAVING A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR SOCIETY AND IMPACTS OUR INCREASE IN INDIVIDUALALITY IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE NEGATIVE THAT CULLS WITH THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH MY CONSERVATIVE FRIEND TARA.

I MEAN LOOK, THERE IS PLENTY OF SECULAR BENEFITS TO RELIGION.

RELIGION CREATES A RECIPE FOR EMPATHY THAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE MIGHT DISAGREE WITH OUR ADVERSARY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL CALLED TO SEE THE FACE OF GOD IN THAT PERSON AND TO NOT HATE AND TO FORGIVE.

AND THAT'S POWERFUL STUFF FOR GETTING ALONG IN IN A DIVERSE SOCIETY.

THAT'S NOT TO MENTION ALL THE ROLES THAT RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS PLAY IN PROVIDING A SOCIAL SPHERE OR A PLACE OF BELONGING.

AND THIS DECLINE IN RELIGION THAT WE ARE SEEING IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THAT BOWLING ALONE CONCEPT THAT ROBERT PUTNAM WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, THAT THIS RETREAT FROM CIVIC SOCIETY AND INTO OUR OWN MISERABLE ISOLATED SELVES.

THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR MENTAL HEALTH.

IT'S NOT GOOD FOR SOCIAL FUNCTION.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION, RIGHT?

CAN WE SAY THAT THIS IS BECAUSE OFFED THIS DECLINE IN RELIGION?

>> NO, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT I DO THINK IT HAS BEEN INCREMENTAL AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE TEND TO MISS IT, WHERE IT WAS ABOUT A PERCENT EACH YEAR, DECLINE.

SO IT WASN'T LIKE, YOU LOOK AROUND YOU GOT A FEW LESS PEOPLE IN CHURCH OR THE MOSQUE OR WHATEVER YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF IS.

BUT THAT ADDS UP.

1% EACH YEAR-- I MEAN THIS HAS BEEN DECLINING SINCE AFTER WORLD WAR II THAT YOU HAVE HAD THIS DECLINE AND NOW WE ARE SEEING IT WITH BAPTISMS AND, LIKE REAL MEASUREMENTS THAT IT IS DECLINING FAST.

>> MICHAEL.

>> I THINK IN TODAY'S WORLD WE CANNOT UNDERAPPRECIATE HOW MUCH HATE IS BEING TAUGHT IN CERTAIN CHURCH THROUGHOUT AMERICA AS WELL.

WE CANNOT UNDER APPRECIATE THAT IN THIS CURRENT MOMENT AS WELL.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

2001, THAT OCCURRED IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, EXTREME RELIGION, BUT NONETHELESS.

SO TO SAY IT'S CAUSATION, WOULD BE A MISNOMER BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING THAT RELIGION MAKES EVERYBODY SAFE.

WELL, IF YOU ARE DOING IT IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, THEN IT CAN GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION THAN IT IS MEANT TO.

>> ON THE TOPIC OF CAUSATION.

WHY IS RELIGION DECLINING?

A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DECLINE IN MORAL CREDIBILITY OF THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS.

I'M CATHOLIC, THE CLERGY SEX SCANDAL.

I MEAN IT'S TERRIBLE, RIGHT?

YOU LOSE MORAL CREDIBILITY.

>> ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES HAS BEEN-- WELL, ACTUALLY THERE HAS BEEN A RISE IN NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH, BUT MANY OF THE PEOPLE GOING THERE NOW HAVE FLED CATHOLICISM.

>> IT HAS BEEN GENERATIONAL, TOO.

GENERATIONS AGO, YOUR PARENTS WENT RELIGIOUS THEIR TO CHURCH, NO PUN INTENDED.

THEN YOU WOULD GO ON, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN EVENTS AND SO FORTH.

IT HAS SLOWLY DECLINED OVER THE YEARS.

>> AND THIS GENERATION WITH ALL OF THEIR SO CALLED FAULTS, THEY LIKE AUTHENTICITY AND THEY GIVE VERY FEW SECOND CHANCES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AUTHENTIC.

RELIGION IS IN TROUBLE TO SOME DEGREE WITH THIS GENERATION.

>> NON-DENOMINATIONAL RISE IS CONSISTENT WITH LIKE AMERICAN DEMOCRATIZATION OF RELIGION.

I WANT AN INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATION.

IT'S EASY.

CATHOLICISM HAS 24 RICH THIS RICH, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEOLOGICAL THING.

SO... >> THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

AND WITH THAT, THEY ARE BUILDING A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALL THE MOVING AROUND AND THINGS THAT HAPPENED AFTER WORLD WAR II, THERE WAS THIS LOSS OF COMMUNITY.

AND SO YOUR NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH, THAT'S PART OF THE FOUNDATION WHAT HAVE THEY DO, INITIALLY AN ATTAR INITIAL COMMUNITY.

>> THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE THIS CONVERSATION AND THE FIRST TOPIC WE HAD.

AND I THINK OF JOHN WINTHROP'S FAMOUS CITY ON THE HILL SPEECH THAT PRESIDENT REAGAN USED TO LIKE TO CITE ALL THE TIME BUT THAT CAME FROM A MODEL OF CHRISTIAN CHARITY.

AND GIVEN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO THE I AM GRAIGHTS ISSUE-- THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE, THIS GOES ALL THE WAY BACK IN OUR HISTORY, RIGHT?

THE FIRST PEOPLE, FIRST EUROPEANS ARRIVING ON OUR SHORES.

>> REVEREND KING'S I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH REFERENCES GOD'S CHILDREN THREE TIMES.

LIKE EQUALITY IS NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO FOR HUMANITARIAN PURPOSE.

IT'S NO, NO, NO, FACE OF GOD.

THIS IS WHY WE DO IT.

GOD SAYS SO?

>> THIS HAS BEEN A BIG WEEK FOR LAUNCHING PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS.

FIRST SENATOR TIM SCOTT OF SOUTH CAROLINA ANNOUNCED, THEN FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS FINALLY MADE IT OFFICIAL AND SAID HE'S RUNNING.

HIS OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT VIA A TWITTER INTERVIEW SUFFERED FROM TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND DID NOT GO WELL, ALTHOUGH HE FOLLOWED IT WITH A MUCH MORE POLISHED INTERVIEW ON CABLE TELEVISION.

OTHERS ARE IN •NIKKI HALEY, MIKE PENCE, ASA HUTCHINSON AND VIVEK RAMASWAMY •.BUT DO ANY HAVE A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN JULY?

WHY ARE THEY RUNNING?

>> WELL, DO THEY HAVE A CHANCE?

SOME OF THEM MORE THAN OTHERS.

RAM SAMMY-- RAMASWAMY, PROBABLY NOT, ASA HUTCHINSON, PROBABLY NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH NAME RECOGNITION.

THEY HAVEN'T MADE A PUBLIC SPLASH.

NOW THAT COULD CHANGE BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW.

TIM SCOTT, NIKKI HALEY, A LITTLE MORE OF A CHANCE, TIM SCOTT BECAUSE HE HAS A PRETTY BIG WAR CHEST ALREADY AMASSED AND SEEMS TO BE DRAWING IN MORE.

NIKKI HALEY BECAUSE SHE HAS PROBABLY, OF ALL OF THE NON-TRUMP FOLKS, SHE HAS MORE NAME RECOGNITION.

AND SHE HAS, IN A SENSE, PROBABLY A SLIGHTLY BETTER TRACK RECORD THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS IN TERMS OF SORT OF HAVING DONE SOMETHING PUBLICLY AS THE U.N.

AMBASSADOR.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS HAVING BEEN THE GOVERNOR OF SOUTH CAROLINA WHEN THE CONFEDERATE FLAG WAS TAKEN DOWN.

SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER CHANCE.

BUT BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS RUNNING AS THE I'M NOT TRUMP BUT I'M SORT OF LIKE TRUMP GROUP.

>> SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO HIM, THEY CAN MAYBE PICK UP THE SPOILS THERE.

CHAD?

>> NO, NOBODY HAS A CHANCE.

I MEAN LOOK, THE LATEST CNN POLL FOUND 53% OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE VOTING FOR TRUMP AND 84% ARE AT LEAST CONSIDERING VOTING FOR HIM IN THE PRIMARY.

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM OF DIFFUSE SUPPORT OVER THE ANTI-TRUMP CANDIDATES.

HE IS BEATING COLLECTIVE FIELD.

AND THEN WE ALSO KNOW THAT TRUMP DOESN'T LOSE ELECTIONS.

SO IMAGINE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE GETS THE NOMINATION HERE.

DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO GO AWAY QUIETLY?

IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT'S VERY DIRE FOR ANTI-TRUMP REPUBLICANS.

WHERE I THINK THINGS COULD GET INTERESTING IF SOMEBODY LIKE CHRIS KRISTI ENTERS AS A VANITY PROJECT, JUST TO MESS WITH HIM, TO GET IN THE GUTTER AND FIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE-- THEY'RE NOT CHALLENGING HIM, RIGHT?

THEY'RE NOT CHALLENGING HIM AT ALL.

CHRISTIE I THINK IS HUNGRY FOR THAT FIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FUND IT IF HE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE OF RUNNING, BUT AT LEAST THEN IT BECOMES INTERESTING.

>> HE HAS BEEN POSITIONING HIMSELF FOR THAT.

AND THERE ARE MURMURS THAT HE IS GOING TO THROW HIS HAT IN THE RING.

>> MICHAEL.

>> I THINK WE CANNOT UNDER APPRECIATE WHETHER WE TALK ABOUT WHAT DOESN'T HAVE A CHANCE.

I DON'T THINK THE CULTURE WARRIORS DON'T HAVE A CHANCE.

WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE COAL MINING TOWNS OF WEST VIRGINIA OR SWAMP LANDS OF LOUISIANA OR MISSISSIPPI DELTA OR APRIL LAICHA KENTUCKY, THEY'RE STARTING TO REALIZE SOMETHING.

CULTURAL WARRIORS DON'T BRING FOOD TO THE TABLE OR BRING TOWN THE PRICE OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.

OR IMPROVE HEALTHCARE.

BUT THERE ARE TWO THINGS CULTURE WARRIORS DO VERY WELL.

THEY FEED THE EMOTIONAL SATISFACTION OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TERRIFIED OF A CHANGING DEMOGRAPHIC AND THEY COME FROM THE GRIEVANCE OF THE SAME SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION.

LET'S LOOK AT THE CONTRAST ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

ONE SIDE WANTS WOMEN TO HAVE AUTONOMY OF THEIR BODIES AND THE OTHER SIDE IS TAKING AWAY SOVEREIGNTY.

ONE WANTS AMERICANS TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE HOW THEY LOVE ONE WANTS INDIVIDUALS TO CHOOSE WHAT BOOKS THEY READ, THE OTHER SIDE IS BANNING BOOKS ON A DAILY BASIS.

24 HOURS AGO, THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA TALKED ABOUT DESTABILIZING AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS WHICH ARE THE FOUNDATIONS OF A DEMOCRACY.

LAST NIGHT AND LASTLY FOR ME, SPEAKING OF THE OTHER NIGHT, I THINK THE RIGHT IS PLAYING A VERY DANGEROUS GAME WITH THE FUTURE OF THIS PARTY.

THIS THEY CONTINUE TO ALLOW CULTURE WARRIORS TO DETERMINE THE NARRATIVE OF THE PARTY AND ONLY SPEAK TO A DEPENDABLE BUT SMALL CONSTITUENCY THAT IS DWINDLING EVERY DAY IN PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS.

I THINK THEY'RE TURNING FROM THE PARTY OF THE G.O.P.

TO THE PARTY OF BAN ISSUEMENT.

>> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE THAT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET TO OUR As AND Fs.

CHAD, WE'LL BEGIN WITH YOUR F. >> AS OF THIS MORNING WE STILL DON'T HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THE DEBT DEAL AND THE HYPOTHETICAL DEFAULT DATE IS LESS THAN A WEEK AWAY.

IT'S A BIG STORY BUT I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO THIS.

DEFAULT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

THE ONE THING I MIGHT SAY IS THAT IF DEFAULT DOES HAPPEN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO BLAME ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER BUT RATHER TO BLAME ALL INCUMBENTS FOR FAILING TO COMPROMISE.

VOTE THEM ALL OUT OF OFFICE AS SOON AS YOU GET A CHANCE.

>> TARA.

>> MY F GOES TO THE AUTOMOBILE AND CAREY PAIR INDUSTRIES.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY 200 DIFFERENT PARK OUTSIDE AND DO NOT DRIVE RECALLS.

UNFORTUNATELY ONCE A CAR HAS HAD TWO OR MORE OWNERS, BASICALLY THERE IS NOT MUCH WAY TO CONTINUALLY CONTACT THOSE OWNERS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEIR CARS NEED TO BE RECALLED.

AND MANY REPAIR SHOPS DON'T CHECK FOR THAT WHEN THEY REPAIR YOUR CAR.

SO ACCORDING TO CARFAX.COM, THERE ARE AROUND 2.5 MILLION CARS DRIVEN DAILY UNDER A DO NOT DRIVE OR A PARK OUTSIDE REQUIREMENT.

WHICH MEANS THEY'RE A DANGER TO ALL OF US.

>> BEN.

>> MY F GOES TO THE NOTION OF HAVING THE SAME BODY, APPROVING A BUDGET THAT REQUIRES BORROWING THAT ALSO DECIDES IF THEY HAVE WILL TO RAISE UP THEIR SELF IMPOSED DEBT CEILING WHEN THE BILL COMES DUE.

>> OKAY MPLEGHT AND MICHAEL, F. >> MY F GOES TO THE CONTINUED PRESENCE OF GEORGE SANTOS IN AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS.

>> AS THEY BE.

-- AS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE QUICK.

THAT WAS A QUICK F. CLAD, YOUR A.

>> TO SALT CITY MARKET AND THEIR CULTURE CUISINE AND CONVERSATIONS PROGRAM CELEBRATING ASIAN-AMERICAN AND PACIFIC ISLANDER HERITAGE THIS MONTH.

OUR OWN ANIRBAN HOSTED COCKTAILS.

IF I SOUND SLUGGISH THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW WHY.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO SALT CITY MARKET, IT HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY.

GH AND EAT SOME GOOD FOOD.

IT'S AWESOME.

>> YOUR A TARA.

>> THIS MONTH IS ASIAN PACIFIC ISLANDERRER HERITAGE MONTH AND IN HONOR OF THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO AMERICA, STAGE 4 CANCER SURVIVOR AMY LEE.

DURING HER RECOUP LAYINGS SHE FOCUSED ON HER LOVE FOR MUSIC, DANCE AND THE ARTS AND UPON RECOVERY, COMBINED HER EXPERTISE IN BEHAVIORAL DESIGN WITH HER RESEARCH IN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TO CREATE DANCE FOR HEALING.

THIS NOT FOR PROFIT WEBSITE PROVIDES AN A.I.

TELEDANCE PLATFORM THAT PAIRS THOSE WITH CHRONIC DISEASE AND OLDER AMERICANS WITH CAREGIVERS WITH COMPATIBLE BUDDIES THROUGH PERSONALIZED ONLINE CREATIVE ARTS CLASS.

BASICALLY IT'S AN INDIVIDUALIZED A.I.

ARTS PARTNER AND THAT HAS HELPED THEIR RECOUP LAYINGS AND IN-- RECUPERATION AND INCREASED THEIR HEALTH MENTAL AND PHYSICAL.

>> A GOES TO NEUROSURGEONS SWISS WHO USE BLUETOOTH TECHNOLOGY APPROACH TO ENABLE A PARALYZED MAN TO WALK AGAIN.

HE CAN WALK, HE CAN STAND AND CLIMB STAIRS.

>> THAT'S AN AMAZING STORY.

MICHAEL, YOUR A.

>> TO JOHN SUAREZ WHO IS THE CURRENT DIRECTOR OF THE SUNY CORTLAND INSTITUTE FOR CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.

THE INSTITUTE PRODUCES PROGRAMMING, PROVIDED INTERNSHIPS TO HELP STUDENTS UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF INVESTMENT IN CIVIC LIFE.

>> THANK YOU.

I SAID THAT WAS AN AMAZING STORY ABOUT THE SPINAL RESEARCH.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BY SIMPLY THINKING I WANT TO TAKE A STEP, THAT MAN CAN TAKE A STEP.

>> AND I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK ABOUT CHRISTOPHER REAVES, THE REAL SUPER MAN.

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