>> Bonnie: THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY: FIRST, THE TOXIC LINK BETWEEN MASS SHOOTINGS AND MISOGYNY; THEN, A HUGE WIN AGAINST A TOP SCHOOL IN A TITLE IX SETTLEMENT.

>>> BEHIND THE HEADLINES: TEACHING YOUNG WOMEN FINANCIAL LITERACY.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, MASS SHOOTINGS .

SEVERAL FACTORS ARE BEING BLAMED FOR AMERICA'S MASS SHOOTING CRISIS.

BUT ONE PERHAPS UNDERREPORTED LINK BETWEEN ALMOST ALL SHOOTERS IS MISOGYNY.

THE SHOOTER IN DAYTON, OHIO, KEPT SO-CALLED b TO TARGET.

THE 19-YEAR-OLD WHO KILLED FOUR PEOPLE IN GILROY, CALIFORNIA, READ BOOKS CONTAINING MISOGYNISTIC SCREEDS.

AND EXPERTS SAY HATRED OF WOMEN IS A CORE PART OF WHITE SUPREMACY, THE IDEOLOGY THAT INSPIRED A MAN TO KILL 22 PEOPLE IN EL PASO, TEXAS.

ACCORDING TO MOTHER JONES MAGAZINE, THERE HAVE BEEN 63 MASS SHOOTINGS KILLING FOUR OR MORE PEOPLE SINCE 2011.

ALMOST A THIRD (32%) OF THOSE KILLERS HAD A HISTORY OF STALKING AND HARASSING WOMEN, HALF (50%) SPECIFICALLY TARGETED WOMEN, AND ALMOST 9 IN 10 (86%) HAD A HISTORY OF DOMESTIC ABUSE.

I N ADDITION, OF THE 115 SPREE KILLERS SINCE 1982, ONLY FOUR ARE WOMEN.

"TO THE CONTRARY" MANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO GO ON TO DO THESE HATE FILLED TYPES OF HUNTING SPREES, WHERE THEY FIND AREAS OF THE COUNTRY TO MAKE THEIR STANCE BY KILLING PEOPLE, ALSO TEND TO HAVE A VIOLENT HISTORY AGAINST WOMEN.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST REALLY BEGINNING TO DRILL DOWN SORT OF WHO THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE AND WHAT THEY HAVE IN COMMON.

AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN THAT WE'VE BEEN BLOCKED FOR SO LONG IN CONGRESS WITH BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO A STUDY OF GUN VIOLENCE.

>> Bonnie: SO MEGAN BEYER, IS THIS COMPONENT OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL MAKEUP OF A MASS KILLER BE IGNORED?

>> LOOKS LIKE IT.

9/10 OF THESE MASS SHOOTERS HAVE HISTORY OF DEVELOP TO THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

IT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIVING ROOM.

REPUBLICANS WILL NOT ALLOW US TO DO THE FUNDING TO STUDY TO CONNECT THE DOTS.

>> I THINK THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP INK THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP.

DO WE MAKE A CAUSAL LINK?

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.

THESE ARE PEOPLE DEEPLY DISTURBED AND WE CANNOT GET AWAY FROM THAT .

>> IN THIS CASE AND IN MOST, WE ARE IGNORING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

A WOMAN IS CALLED EVERYDAY BY A PARTNER OR ABUSER AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT.

>> WE SPEND MORE TIME FIGHTING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND NOT ONLY THE HELP ME STOP FUTURE MASS KILLINGS BUT YOU WILL HELP SOCIETY IN GENERAL.

>> Bonnie: ONE OF THE RED FLAG LAW THAT MAY BE CONGRESS WILL CONSIDER AND MAYBE IT'S NOT -- MAYBE THE PRESIDENT IS FOR AND MAYBE NOT, THAT'S -- THEY WILL CALL ON A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WITH A WHOLE LOT OF HORRIBLE BACKGROUNDS.AN WE REALLY KEEP TRACK OF USING THE FACT THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT?

COULD YOU KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE MANIACS WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE GUNS?

>> I THINK A LOT OF FAMILY MEMBERS RS KNOW IF THERE IS SOMEONE IN THEIR HOME WHO HAS ACCESS TO A LOT OF GUNS AND THEY ARE SAYING THINGS THAT ARE VIOLENT AND SCARY AND THEY'VE GOT MENTAL ISSUES, BELIEVE ME, IT'S SO HARD FOR PEOPLE -- I HAPPEN TO HAVE IN OUR FAMILY SOMEBODY WITH NOT VIOLENT BUT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

>> WHICH FAMILY DOESN'T?>> RIGHT.

YOU WANT TO PROTECT SOMEONE.

IMAGINE WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE.

SOME OF THESE MASS SHOOTINGS WERE REFERRED THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY GUNS IN THE HOME AND THESE POOR MOTHERS, ONE OF WHOM WAS KILLED, YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE LAW WILL RECOGNIZE THIS.

MARYLAND, LAW WENT INTO EFFECT BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, ABOUT 750 CASES WERE REPORTED.

JUDGES ONLY ALLOWED REMOVAL OF GUNS AND 400 CASES.

IMAGINE IN THOSE 400 CASES, MAYBE WE WERE ABLE TO PREVENT ONE OF THESE TRAGEDIES.

>> IT'S LIKE THE BROKEN WINDOW THEORY IN NEW YORK CITY WHERE YOU GET PEOPLE ON THE SMALLER THINGS AND KEEP THEM FROM DOING THIS BIGGER THINGS.

I THINK WE SHOULD CHECK PEOPLE WHO COMMIT VIOLENCE AGAINST ANIMALS AND WOMEN ALSO MEN.

BUT THE ANIMALS AND THE WOMEN GET IGNORED OFTEN.

>> THE CHALLENGE, THOUGH, IS YOU HAVE AT LEAST WITH ONE OF THESE MASS SHOOTINGS THIS PAST WEEKEND, HIS MOTHER SAID SHE HAD TAKEN INFO ABOUT HIM, HER CONCERN TO THE POLICE AND THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH.

I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK FROM THE BIGGER PICTURE AND SAY, IS LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THESE TIPS?

IF SUDDENLY WE OPEN THE DOOR TO LOTS OF TIPS, ARE THEY ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THEM?

BUT I THINK AN INTERESTING POINT HERE, WORRIED THAT I THINK CONSERVATIVES HAVE WITH THESE LAWS IS THEY WILL BE -- IT MAY CATCH PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE SOME DIFFERENT DIFFICULTIES, PEOPLE COMING -- FORMER MILITARY SERVICEMEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO MAY GO THROUGH SPELLS REALLY FEEL LIKE, WELL, SUDDENLY I FEEL CAN NO LONGER HAVE THE GUN IN MY POSSESSION EVEN IF I HAVE A PTSD, SOMETHING MAY TRIGGER ME.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES COULD BE TOO BROAD SWEEPING LEGISLATION.

>> Bonnie: YOU HAVE EARNED ONE OF THE LARGEST NGOS FIGHTING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN THE COUNTRY.HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO GET THE WORD OUT AND TO GET PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION?

>> YOU KNOW, THIS ISSUE IS VERY HARD, VERY LOCAL TWO STATES SPECIFICALLY ABOUT COMPOSITION AND DATA.

THE DATA IS THERE.

OMPOSITION AND DATA.

THE DATA IS THERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF NEW POLICIES AND MAKING SURE DATA IS USED IN USE CORRECTLY.

AND WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES, YOU HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE OF PROTECTIVE ORDER DATABASES.

A LOT OF THINGS WE FOUGHT FOR FOR SURVIVORS TO GET ON THE BOOKS SO THAT THIS CAN BE HAPPENING BUT WE CANNOT IGNORE -- VERY FEW INSTANCES WE CAN SAY THIS PERSON HAS HISTORY OR LIKELY TO.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS SOMETHING WE HAVE INFO, WE KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING AT HOMES, ONE IN FIVE WOMEN ARE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

WE HAVE A TOOL AND WE NEED TO USE IT.

>> I WAS TELLING THE STORY ABOUT A FAMILY MEMBER WHO WILL REMAIN NAMELESS WHO FINALLY LEFT HER HUSBAND, NOT BECAUSE OF ALL THE VIOLENCE AGAINST HER , AND THERE WAS A LOT OF BROKEN BONES, BUT SHE LEFT BECAUSE SHE FOUND HERSELF SITTING IN THE BEDROOM WITH HIS LOADED GUN WHILE HE WAS SLEEPING.

SHE WAS AFRAID SHE WOULD SHOOT HIM.

WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT TOO THE WAY PEOPLE ARE TREATED WHEN IN FACT THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THESE VIOLENT PERPETRATORS.

>> THERE IS A BIG EPIDEMIC IN THIS COUNTRY ABOUT WHY WOMEN STAY WITH ABUSERS, WHY MOTHERS DON'T MAKE CHANGES.

SO MANY STORIES ABOUT THE ABUSE OR SURVIVOR AND CONTROL.

THAT IS ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY, IS WE ARE STILL IN THIS POSITION OF VICTIM BLAMING.

>> SURVIVORS IN CONTROL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

>> IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE BEING ABUSED, YOUR CHOICES.

YOU CAN LEAVE THE SITUATION, YOU CAN MOVE -- >> PUBLIC BLAMES THE -- >> VICTIMS -- >> DISCOURSES WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO PERPETRATE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND BEING ENABLED BY THEIR -- I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE ACCUSED OF ENABLING ABUSERS.

SOCIETALLY, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE SEE, IS THE SORT OF JUST PULL YOURSELF UP AND MOVE RIGHT ALONG.

THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST SHOCKING THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZE.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS PERPETRATED BECAUSE SOCIETY IN GENERAL LOOKS AT THE PERSON HE WAS HAVING THE VIOLENCE PERPETRATED UPON THEM, AS YOU SAID, ENABLING -- WELL, IF SHE HAS CHOICES, SHE COULD LEAVE.

UNBELIEVABLE THEY STILL BLAME THE PERSON WHO WAS THE VICTIM.

>> REMEMBER ANITA HILL, WHY DID NOT SHE QUIT?

WHY DID SHE STAY?

THE QUESTIONS ARE AROUND THE WOMAN.

>> IS THIS A TIPPING POINT OF SORTS?

WITH THE THREE MASS SHOOTINGS WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS OF EACH OTHER OR -- >> WE THOUGHT NEWTOWN WAS A TIPPING POINT -- >> PARKLAND, THE PRESIDENT SAID , JUST LIKE HE SAYING NOW, HE MIGHT DO BACKGROUND CHECKS BUT THEN WE MET WITH LAPIERRE AND IT WAS ALL OVER.

>> HE MET WITH LAPIERRE AGAIN THIS WEEK.

>> EXACTLY, THE PRESIDENT -- BUT ONE THING WITH THE NRA BEING IN THE CONDITION IT'S IN, DOES IT'S STILL HAVE THE POWER IT USED TO?

>> EVEN AS LOBBYING, IT MAY STILL HAVE INFLUENCE.

IT GOES BEYOND NRA MEMBERS.

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO ARE FEARFUL OF THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF SAYING, OKAY, WE WILL TAKE ASSAULT WEAPONS OFF THE TABLE.

WE WILL TAKE THIS.

SIMILAR TO THE TOBACCO -- STARTED SMALL AND ENDED TO THE POINT -- >> WISE AND CAN CONTROL LOBBYIST SAYING TO THEM YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A WEAPON IS NOT -- DOES NOT SUPERSEDE MY RIGHT TO LIVE, MY CHILD'S RIGHT TO LIVE?

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT HAS COME DOWN TO IN THIS COUNTRY.

>> BECAUSE THEY WILL TELL YOU IT'S NOT -- NRA MEMBERS ARE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WERE DOING THIS.

>> THERE IS A SHIFT.

I THINK THERE IS A LARGE -- THE TRAGEDY OF MANY OF THE SHOOTINGS IN THE PAST 5bää0 YEARS HAVE TURNED VICTIMS INTO ACTIVISTS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND PARENTS AND OTHERS THAT ARE TO GETTING TOGETHER AND THERE IS A GROUNDSWELL THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SEEN THE HEIGHT OF IT.

>> CLEARLY, WITH THE GUN CONTROL LOBBY IS DOING HAS NOT WORKED, RIGHT?

WHY NOT CHANGE AND BE MORE DIRECT?

YOUR GUNS ARE KILLING ME -- >> IT'S A BY PART -- NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, LIMITATION ON GUNS.

IT'S REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL STORIES AND -- >> I THINK SO TOO.

AT SOME POINT THE DEMOCRACY HAS TO TRUMP THE DOLLARS THAT GOES INTO ALL THESE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO -- I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T THINK IF YOU TOOK A POLL OF AMERICANS THAT THEIR FEAR WOULD BE THAT SOME GUNS, ESPECIALLY SEMIAUTOMATICS, WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY.

I THINK THEIR FEARS THEY WILL BE IN WALMART AND SOMEONE IS GOING TO SHOOT THEM WITH A SEMIAUTOMATIC.

THAT IS GREATER FEAR, I THINK.

>> BUT I THINK WE HAVE A REAL OPPORTUNITY.

YOU KNOW THE PHRASE NIXON GOING TO CHINA BECAUSE HE WAS ANTI-COMMUNIST.

I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THAT -- HAVE THAT MOMENT WITH THE GUN LOBBY BECAUSE THEY TRUST HIM, I THINK, AND HE MAY BE ABLE TO WORK OUT A SOLUTION THAT WILL GET EVERYONE ON BOARD AND NOT HAVE THE KIND OF -- >> GET EVERYONE ON BOARD?

>> GET THE GUN LOBBY -- >> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SO WATERED DOWN.

AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK, YOU COULD HEAR MITCH McCONNELL SAY, WELL, WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, THE DEMOCRATS WILL SHOOT IT DOWN.

>> BAD CHOICE OF WORDS.

>> WHATEVER.

BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO REJECT DO IT BECAUSE IT WILL NOT DO ANYTHING, BUT IT ALLOWS REPUBLICANS TO WALK AWAY AND SAY, WE DID SOMETHING, WHEN IN FACT IT'S SO WATERED DOWN, IT'S TOTALLY INEFFECTUAL.

>> I THINK OF A BETTER CHANCE WITH TRUMP THEN YOU WOULD IF A DEMOCRAT WAS PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.

LET'S HOPE HE TAKES THAT OPPORTUNITY.

WITHIN REASON, THEY ARE MEASURES I THINK EVEN THE GUN COMMUNITY WOULD SUPPORT.

>> I WOULD JUST SAY THAT PART OF SOMETHING WE ARE IGNORING IS THAT WHILE MASS SHOOTINGS DO HAPPEN AND SHOULD NOT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DIE AT THE HANDS GUNS THAT ARE -- HELD AND OWNED BY PEOPLE WHO NEVER REGISTERED, WILL NEVER GO THERE AND CHECK TO GET THAT GUN.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE INNER-CITY COMMUNITIES IN BLACK COMMUNITIES AND CRIME, WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DIED THERE HE WILL NEVER GET ANY ATTENTION?

I THINK THERE IS THAT PART OF HYPOCRISY THAT A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES WILL SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL TO STOP MASS SHOOTINGS, THAT'S ONE THING.

YOU ARE IGNORING A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE FOR WHOM GUN CONTROL NEVER STOPPED.

>> I AM CONFUSED HERE.

YOU ARE SAYING CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE ANTI-GUN-CONTROL ARE MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT POOR BLACK INNER-CITY NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT MAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NRA THAT DOLES OUT TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THEIR POCKETS TO GET REELECTED, AND IT WAS AT A CHOKEHOLD ON THIS ISSUE FOR 30bßß0 YEARS NOW.

>> I'M JUST POINTING OUT HYPOCRISY WHERE, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DIE EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF GUN VIOLENCE, AT THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO GOT GUNS NOT BY GOING TO A GUN SHOW, NOT BY GOING TO WALMART AND BUYING IT, BUT BUYING IT ILLEGALLY.

THEY WILL NEVER BE STOPPED FROM WHAT HAPPENS.

THAT'S A LARGER GROUP THAN I THINK THE MASS SHOOTINGS THAT OCCUR EVERY YEAR.

>> BUT THAT ASSUMES THAT BROADER, SENSIBLE POLICIES AND CONTROLS WILL NOT AFFECT THE FLOW OF GUNS TO THIS COUNTRY.

E HAVE A MARKET HERE.

THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION THAT GUN CONTROL OR SENSIBLE GUN POLICY IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT FOR PEOPLE GETTING ILLEGAL GUNS.

I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE CYNICAL.

I THINK THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY THINGS TO DO TO KEEP ILLEGAL GUNS OFF THE STREET AND OUT OF HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GETTING THEM REGISTERED, ABSOLUTELY.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN VIRGINIA.

WE HAD A ONE GOING TO MONTH LAW.

WE FOUND GUNS WERE BEING SENT UP TO NEW YORK WHERE IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET AGAIN.

PEOPLE WERE OBTAINING GUNS AND THEY WERE SENDING DOWN DRUGS TO URBAN AREAS.

WE LIMITED THE FLOW, LIMITED THE MARKET OF DRUGS THAT COULD BE OBTAINED ILLEGALLY.

>>.

[INAUDIBLE] >> THERE ALWAYS BE A MARKET FOR GUNS, JUST LIKE DRUGS.

>> WE SHALL SEE IF THIS SITUATION PROMPTS ANY CHANGE.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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>>> FROM SHOOTINGS TO CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULT DARTMOUTH COLLEGE HAS AGREED TO PAY 14-MILLION DOLLARS TO SETTLE A LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY NINE WOMEN CLAIMING THEY WERE RAPED, SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND HARASSED BY THEIR FORMER PROFESSORS.

THE SUIT SOUGHT 70-MILLION FOR VIOLATING TITLE IX, THE PLAINTIFFS CALLED DARTMOUTH A 21ST-CENTURY b THE SETTLEMENT, WHICH MUST BE COURT APPROVED, IS ONE OF THE LARGEST IN HIGHER EDUCATION HISTORY.

THE WOMEN ARE FORMER STUDENTS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN A RESEARCH STUDY BY THE DEPARTMENT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL AND BRAIN SCIENCES LOOKING AT SEXUAL DESIRE AND ATTRACTIVENESS.

THEY CLAIM THE PROFESSORS PREYED UPON THEM, ALLEGEDLY HOSTING DRINKING AND HOT-TUB PARTIES.

THREE PROFESSORS WHO HAVE SINCE RESIGNED OR RETIRED WERE NOT PART OF THE SUIT BUT MAY FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES.

FEMALE SCIENTISTS SAY THE CASE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF THE BARRIERS WOMEN FACE IN SCIENCE.

DARTMOUTH HAS ALSO AGREED TO ADDRESS THE OBSTACLES THAT PREVENT FEMALE STUDENTS FROM SUCCEEDING IN THE SCIENCES AND FEMALE PROFESSORS FROM GAINING TENURE.

>> THIS TO ME SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE GONE ON UNFETTERED IN THE '70s OR '80s BUT WOULD BE SO FAR BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF WHAT ANY PROFESSOR, NO MATTER HOW CRIMINALLY INSANE THEY MIGHT BE, TO DO TODAY.

AND YET, IT'S GOING ON TODAY.

WHY?

>> IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS STILL ALLEGATIONS TO BE HAD HERE, NEW HAMPSHIRE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL LOOK INTO IT AND I THINK AS OF NOW HE MAY HAVE FOUND THERE WAS NOTHING CONCLUSIVE TO SUGGEST THAT ACTUALLY ANYONE WAS RAPED.

I WILL SAY THAT THE NEW STORIES PAINT THIS AS SEXUAL HARASSMENT RUN AMOK, SEXUAL ASSAULT RUN AMOK BY PROFESSORS.

LET'S NOT FORGET THESE ARE GROWN WOMEN, NOT 18-YEAR-OLD GIRLS, 20, 30, HI 20-YEAR-OLD WOMEN IN INSTITUTIONS AND NONE NEVER ALLEGED THAT MONEY WAS BEING WITHHELD, POSITIONS BEING WITHHELD OR EXCHANGE -- EXCHANGE FOR SEXUAL L BEHAVIORS.

SO I WORRY THAT YOU ARE PAINTING AN ENTIRE BODY BY JUST SOME ALLEGATIONS FROM A FEW WOMEN.

I DO QUESTION WHETHER IT'S REALLY AS BAD AS IT HAS MADE OUT TO BE.

>> I JUST WONDER WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS KIND OF SITUATION, IT'S ABOUT AN IMBALANCE OF POWER.

CLEARLY, THE PROFESSOR HAS POWER OVER THE STUDENTS.

AND SO, TO ME, IT WAS A BREACH OF THE RESPONSIBILITY HE HAD IS A PROFESSOR.

I DON'T THINK ANY PROFESSOR SHOULD BE DATING ANY STUDENT WHO HE IS TEACHING, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERET WAS MORE OF HIS BEING IRRESPONSIBLE ABOUT HIS POSITION.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO TO NOTE WHERE THIS HAPPENED.

WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEARTH OF WOMEN WHO MAKE IT THROUGH THESE REALLY RIGOROUS PROGRAMS AND END UP, YOU KNOW, GETTING TANNER OR PHD PROGRAMS.

THE LABORATORY IS NOTORIOUS FOR ISOLATION, YOUR PROFESSOR OR ADVISORS IN CONTROL OF YOUR SCHEDULE AND YOU KNOW THAT'S WHY A LOT OF WOMEN DON'T MAKE IT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO BALANCE.

PEOPLE CANNOT HAVE ANY KIND OF LIFE.

YOU ARE BEHOLDEN TO THAT ONE PERSON AND THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

BEST CASE SCENARIO, YOU HAVE TO WORK LIKE A DOG AND HOPE THAT YOU GET THROUGH YOUR PROGRAM.

BEST CASE SCENARIO.

WORST CASE SCENARIO, IN THIS CASE, YOU WERE ASSAULTED OR INTIMIDATED.

BUT IT'S RIGHT FOR THAT.

SO MANY IMBALANCES OF POWER IN THE SYSTEM WHEN WE KNOW MOST OF THE FOLKS IN THESE PROFESSIONS AND PROFESSORSHIPS ARE MEN WITH A LOT OF POWER AND VERY LITTLE ACCOUNTABILITY AND VERY LITTLE THAT CAN BE DONE LOT OF FOLKS HAVE JOBS FOR LIFE THE WHOLE LIFE.

WHAT'S REALLY AT STAKE?

>> I JUST HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR -- OF THESE GUYS ARE FOUND TO BE GUILTY.

TRACY RAISES A GOOD POINT TO FIND THAT OUT.

>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN IF?

$14 MILLION -- [CROSS TALK] >> SETTLEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE COURT-APPROVED.

THE POINT IS THE MONEY IS ON THE TABLE, IT WOULD NOT BE THERE.

>> IF THEY ARE TRULY GUILTY, AND THEN GETS EXTREME.

I'VE HAD IT WITH RAPISTS GET OFF ON LIGHT -- I SAY CASTRATION.

>> I WORRY, DOES IT HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN PROFESSORS AND GRAD STUDENTS, FEMALE GRAD STUDENTS?

APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, THE SOCIALIZATION OUTSIDE CLASSROOM SETTING IS IMPORTANT.

YOU GET TO NETWORK WITH THESE PROFESSORS -- >> IN THE HOT TUB?

>> I WOULD AGREE THE HOT TUB IS NOT A PLACE FOR SOCIALIZATION, BUT GOING ON TRIPS TO CONFERENCES WHERE YOU DISCUSS RESEARCH -- >> BUT IT'S NOT THE WOMAN'S FAULT.

>> IT'S NOT, BUT -- >> SHE'S HAVING TO DODGE PASSES .

>> BUT WE'VE SEEN HOW IN LOTS OF WORKPLACE SETTINGS, A LOT OF MEN IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS ARE SAYING I'M NOT GOING TO SIT DOWN, TAKE A YOUNG WOMAN TO DINNER WHOSE COLLEAGUE BECAUSE I'M WORRIED IT COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT AND FALSE ALLEGATION.

>> WAIT, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR OF A FAIRLY LARGE STATE HE WILL NOT HAVE MEETINGS ANYMORE WITH A WOMAN UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE'S IN THE ROOM.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S SO CHILLING, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SO HORRIBLE.

ISN'T IT BETTER THAN HAVING WOMEN BEING PRESSURED TO HAVE SEX WITH PROFESSORS AND HOT TUBS?

I MEAN, YOU SAY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WORRIES YOU.

WHY WOULD IT WORRY YOU?

>> IT WORRIES ME -- >> I KNOW IT DOES NOT WORRY YOU BECAUSE IT PREVENTS THESE SITUATIONS FROM OCCURRING.

>> I MEAN, IF THE IMPORTANCE OF SEEING MORE WOMEN GET INTO ACADEMIA AND INTO THE LAB AND CAREERS, AND SUDDENLY YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO PROGRESS IN YOUR CAREERS AND THEREFORE FEEL WOMEN IN THE PIPELINE BECAUSE MALE COLLEAGUES ARE NOT BRINGING THEM TO MEETINGS OR CONFERENCES BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT DOES WORRY ME.

IF YOU MAKE A RULE TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU HAVE WOMEN IN YOUR OFFICE OR NOT, WHETHER YOU TAKE MEETINGS OR NOT, LUNCHES ARE NOT, IT DOES IN THE LONG RUN IMPACT WOMEN'S ADVANCEMENT IN THESE DIFFERENT INTERSTATES.

>> I THINK WE CANNOT IGNORE THE REALITIES.

THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER SITUATIONS, YOU KNOW, DOCTORS, GYNECOLOGISTS, OTHERS WERE THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER PERSON IN THE ROOM.

IT'S SENSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT SECURITY, IT'S ABOUT SAFETY, IT'S ABOUT A COP ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> IT'S ABOUT LITIGATION.

>> WELL, IT'S ABOUT LITIGATION.

>> THAT'S TRUE TOO.

>> IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING WOMEN.

IN THIS IS SOCIETY, WE TALKED ABOUT MISOGYNY AND HOW IT PLAYS OUT.

THE BALANCE -- IN BALANCE OF POWER IN THESE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE GRAD STUDENTS, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, HARD TO OVERSTATE, REALLY.

AND SO, IN ANY SITUATION, WHETHER YOU ARE PROFESSOR OR EVEN A TEACHER OR HIGH SCHOOL, YOU CANNOT IGNORE THE FACT, DOESN'T MATTER HOW OLD THE PERSON IS, COULD BE THE BOSS WERE THE SAME AGE -- THERE IS A POWER IMBALANCE AND I THINK THAT THESE ARE VERY SMART PEOPLE WHO CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE GOOD MENTORS WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THE PRIVACY AND SECURITY OF THE PEOPLE THEY ARE MENTORING.

>> WELL, SOMEONE'S CELL PHONE IS GOING ON .

TURN IT OFF AND WE WILL KEEP GOING.

WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE, WELL, WOMEN WILL MISS OUT ON THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO PREVENT SEXUAL ASSAULT, SEXUAL ABUSE BY PROFESSORS, ETC., IT REMINDS ME OF THE LAST STORY WE TALKED ABOUT.

WOMEN WHO ARE IN ABUSIVE SITUATIONS ARE AT FAULT BECAUSE THEY STAY.

I WOULD NOT CALLING IT BLAMING THE VICTIM BECAUSE I HATE THE TERM VICTIM, OKAY?

BLAMING THE SURVIVOR.

THE HEROIN WHO STAYED IN BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT GET OUT.

SO WHY WOULD YOU, AGAIN -- LET'S GET BACK TO THE PENALTY HERE.

IS THE LOSS OF THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS SO HARMFUL TO WOMEN'S CAREERS OR EDUCATION THAT IT'S WORTH -- NOT WORTH GETTING RID OF SEXUAL ASSAULT?

>> YOU KNOW, MAYBE I DID NOT EXPLAIN.

I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE HOT TUB MEETINGS CONTINUE, BONNIE.

I DID NOT -- >> I DID NOT MEAN THAT.

I JUST MEANT, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THERE, ISN'T THE PENALTY THE LOSS SO MINOR COMPARED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON NOW BUT IT SHOULD NOT EVEN BE RAISED AS AN ISSUE?

>> IF I CAN JUMP TO YOUR DEFENSE, AND THAT IS THAT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

THERE WILL BE A CHILLING EFFECT, NOT SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO POINT TO.

IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE A GENERATION FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS.

IN THE MEANTIME, MEN ARE AFRAID.

THEY ARE AFRAID.

>> THERE ARE SO FEW WOMEN GETTING THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS.

>> AND THAT'S WHY.

>> THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM.

THIS ONE CHANGE OR THIS ONE SLAP ON THE WRIST OR WHATEVER IT IS THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO GET IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE -- >> I THINK IT COULD BE MORE IMMEDIATE.

WHEN I THINK OF CHILLING EFFECT, I THINK OF I HAVE THREE GRAD STUDENTS AND I CAN ONLY TAKE TWO ON, ONE IS A WOMAN AND TWO ARE MEN.

IF I TAKE THIS, WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN?

I'M MORE LIKELY TO TAKE THE YOUNG MAN OR TWO YOUNG MEN -- > THEY WILL CHOOSE THE MEN ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE BIAS THAT EXISTS.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR DECADES.

>> THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN HE WAS ELECTED.

THE CLIMATE THAT THE GUY AT THE TOP OF THE COUNTRY IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS CREATED WHICH IS CLEARLY ANTI-FEMALE, BRAGGING ABOUT GRABBING GENITALIA, BUT BRAGGING ABOUT GRABBING FEMALE CONQUESTS, PAYING OFF HOOKERS FOR HAVING HAD SEX WITH THEM -- [INAUDIBLE] >> I'VE MADE COMMENTS LIKE THAT BEFORE -- >> WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT LIKE THIS BEFORE.

>> CHENEY HAD SEX IN THE ROOM NEXT TO HIS WIFE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

>> THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WERE NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT -- NO, I'M SORRY.

I'M A STUDENT OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THIS PRESIDENT BEFORE.

>> WE NEED OF BROADWAY CONKLIN, YOU WILL HEAR MORE.

LET'S GO BACK TO YOUR MAIN POINT, AND THAT IS AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK WITH GUN LOBBY, AND I THINK THIS PRESIDENT HAS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE THE AGENDA FOR WOMEN.

HE HAS MORE FEMALE ADVISORS THAN ANY PREVIOUS PRESIDENT AND GAINING MORE AS TIME GOES ON.

HE ACTUALLY DOES RESPECT WOMEN'S OPINION.

I THINK HE NEEDS TO DO MORE AND CAN DO MORE REACHING INTO MISOGYNIST GROUPS OUT THERE TO SAY, HEY, WOMEN ARE -- >> WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

THAT'S IT FOR THIS ADDITION.

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