♪ Music Playing ♪ >> COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE MONSOON IS GOING STRONG, WITH EVEN MORE RAIN EXPECTED IN THE COMING WEEKS.

ALSO TONIGHT, HOW ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE CHANGING THE WORLD'S DEMAND FOR OIL.

AND, A NEW ANIMAL RESCUE CENTER IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE PHOENIX ZOO.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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I'M STEVE GOLDSTEIN, IN FOR TED SIMONS.

THIS WEEK HAS BROUGHT DAMAGING WINDS, STRONG DUST STORMS AND RAINFALL ACROSS THE VALLEY.

THE STORMS ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE STRONG THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.

JOINING US NOW WITH MORE ON WHAT'S TO COME IS RANDY CERVENY CLIMATOLOGIST AT ASU.

Welcome back being Randy.

>> Glad to be here.

>> Generally, before we get into specifics, how would you characterize how the monsoon has been so far and has it met your expectations?

>> Well, people tend to think of the monsoon happening at their particular location.

And so I've got some people are telling me it's one of the best monsoons we have seen.

Other people think where is this, you know?

Right now, Phoenix itself is not doing too well.

We are only a third of what we normally have at this time of year.

But there are other places around the State like Flagstaff, that are actually above normal.

So it's hit and miss.

But that's the nature of the monsoon.

>> I was going say this, not bringing up too much of a topic here, people get a notice that the measuring is at sky harbor with the heat island effect and everything also.

Are there areas not getting pretty good rainfall?

>> Absolutely.

Sky harbor traditionally is one of the driest places in the entire metropolitan area.

It doesn't have to do the heat island it's elevation.

The sky parlor is the lowest elevation in the Phoenix metropolitan area.

Higher elevations like cave creek, get a lot more precipitation because the flow goes up the hill and then starts to rain itself out.

So the surrounding areas usually get a whole lot more than sky harbor itself.

>> I think look for the creeks, cave creek and queen creek and somewhere in between we are fight for this rest of it.

>> Yeah, true.

And that's one reason why when we have rain, we get all of that water coming down through those towns.

>> Let's talk about what's coming up.

I don't know if we are going 24 to 48 hours, we had image I wanted to show you.

Coming up soon.

Not sure we can put it up to have you describe what's coming up in the next couple of days.

>> This is for the next seven days.

>> Okay.

>> As you can see over the next seven days, and most of that will happen within the next couple of days.

We are going to be somewhere hopefully around a half an inch to maybe an inch of rain.

Of course, the rim country will get even more.

But even down here in Phoenix we should see some precipitation.

And that's because we get this moisture you can see it going all wait down into Mexico there, being pumped up into Arizona.

>> Randy, this time of year, how different -- I know we don't get that much rain in the valley anyway.

But when I think about fall and winter maybe, I think about those storms that come in from California, make their way toward us.

How different just to remind people, how different is that monsoonal flow.

You mentioned usually coming up from Mexico.

>> Yes.

And the storms are quite different.

The storms that we get in the summertime here, are what we call convective.

They are based off of hot air rising.

So we need to have that hot air that we had in the early part of the summer and all of the way back into March that force the air to lift and create those thunderstorms.

In the wintertime we get front the stops, storms that have cold fronts and warm fronts that are associated with those things.

>> Let's see if we can take an image of the next couple of weeks, is what we are aiming for next?

>> What will happen next week, you can see the low moisture coming up from Mexico still works its way.

Luckily if you notice the moisture is falling over the Colorado river which is a place that actually really needs that kind of moisture.

>> These models or amazing but not foolproof this could modify depending on certain conditions.

>> Right.

Again, the problem with the monsoon is that it's hit and miss, even though this is showing that there is above normal chances for precipitation all the way across the western United States, there are some places that will get hit really hard and other places that aren't getting hit at all.

But in general, we should expect the western area to be near or above normal watch will happen is we'll have a heat dome building over the great plains and the gulf states that will be horrendous.

You'll hear all sorts of temperature records broke in the great plains.

>> Feeling like 110 or 112.

>> Exactly.

>> So another image we can bring up to talk about the next period after that.

But before that, there is that -- it became official.

It was unofficial.

We went by dew points the monsoon season ends September 30th.

>> Right.

After hurricane season where we have a set begin and set end.

>> Let me just ask you, generally, we can use the image as well.

Next six weeks or so, maybe seven weeks left until September 30th.

Expect takes for that?

>> Yeah.

I -- it's nice to be here with good news for a change.

But if you take a look, if we are looking all the way through the end of August and into September, we should be above normal in terms of precipitation.

Which for the western, southwestern United States is exactly what we want to hear.

>> So does that mean we are likely to see 112, and then big storms coming our way, drive time 5 or 6:00 or could we have cloudy days with a high of 90?

>> Both.

We'll probably have both of the monsoon works in what we call bursts and breaks where we have periods of a few days of heavy activity and then just now we have to buildup the heat again.

>> Yeah.

So you mentioned Flagstaff so I want to bring up Flagstaff.

We were up in Flagstaff in mid July and we were there for a day where it was the -- I presume this was not actually all year, but it was the rainiest day Flagstaff had seen in Julie think since 19 fine or something like that.

>> Yeah, we had an early start to the monsoon.

The moisture comes up from Mexico but bypasses initially Phoenix and it goes up the hill and then dumps out rain.

And then gradually the moisture fills up the desert areas and we have rain.

So Flagstaff does usually start marathon soon earlier than we do.

So -- >> I will compare it to the wintertime.

And there may be no comparison but may.

All try anyway.

In the winter we care about snow back from the north country.

Does rain in flag star or the northern area does it affect SRP or the guessers to any extent if the guess he want didn't get rain.

We love seeing the snow plaque flow down, does the summer have any effect with similarities in.

>> It doesn't, unfortunately, one the amounts of moisture are much smaller than what we normally have during the wintertime.

And, two, be it tends run off faster.

But it does help in terms of things like wildfires.

That if we get this moisture coming in, and wetting the entire state down.

It's harder and harder to start up a good wildfire.

>> Randy, only a few seconds left, I have to ask you this because I love talking to you watch part of the monsoon do you like the best?

You are like Mr.

Record storms written books about these things.

What do you like the most?

>> I gotta admit this year we are excited about the dust storms, we have a new index where we rank dust storms from 0-5 and we are already had two category 5 dust storms that hit the Phoenix metropolitan area this year.

>> Okay, excited about dust.

That's why you are unique.

Randy Cerveny, thanks for being here.

>> My pleasure.

>> Adopted from Anthony Horowitz's bestselling books.

>> OIL PRICES HAVE LONG BEEN CONNECTED TO THE PRICE OF GAS AND THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY, BUT ELECTRIC CARS MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH OIL THE WORLD REALLY NEEDS.

FOR MORE ON THIS WE WELCOME HITENDRA CHATURVEDI, SUPPLY CHAIN PROFESSOR AT ASU'S W.P.

CAREY SCHOOL OF BUSINESS.

Welcome back, thank for being here.

>> Thank you.

>> So how much oil does the world need and how do we come to measure that these days?

>> I think it's not about -- I think we are doing about 80 to about 100 million barrels give or take, so when 20 million-barrel goes out from strait of Hormuz, when the war was at a peak we are seeing 20% it was went down.

So the neat is driven by many, many, many things.

Give or take one million dollars, -- 100 million barrels sorry.

It's amazing to think about it that way, I think back to when I was a little one, it's hard to remember that far back, but going back to the days right before the Iran hostage crisis and the lines the gas lines in the U.S.

were crazy.

To think about that was 50-plus years ago.

Does it feel like we are having the same conversations or what you are saying related to electric vehicles, have we actually seen real progress and will it be seen pretty soon?

>> Very interesting conversation.

So we don't even have to 1973, then 1980.

Early is 2008.

2008, if you because of the oil crisis, a price of a barrel of oil touched nearly $147.

And in current dollars, we were paying about $6.30 at the gas pump.

But if you fast forward to 2026, today what you are seeing is we are looking at 20 -- something different has happened.

We took out 20 million barrels, today it's about 10-ish million barrels out of the ecosystem, and the price of a barrel of oil is at about 90.

Yes, we had reserves and -- but look at China.

It's cut its import from Hormuz by 50% and the economy did not miss a beat.

>> Okay.

>> Today we are at $4 per gallon.

So there is something fundamentally changing and I think the key here is how the world is moving towards EV.

Some numbers are projecting that by 2035, we are looking at about EVs replacing about 15 to 20 million barrels a day.

That's U.S.

and Saudi Arabia's production combined.

>> That's especially fast.

Because we hear from the political realm, we hear that there is almost became a one party versus another whether it came to EVs.

So but you are seeing on a worldwide basis, I sort of come back to the progress meter.

People are accepting the fact it might be better to start balancing these out a little bit more?

>> I think the strait of Hormuz, if there was a silver lining, which was it accelerated the move towards EV.

Imagine a scenario five years out.

On 10 years out if Hormuz happened would it have made the same amount of ripple as today?

Probably not.

A barrel of oil, 80% of that is moved for transportation.

50% for gasoline, 20, 30% for diesel.

China is already one in four cars in the world of EV.

China is 50ers approximate, Europe is 1/3, 20% of their trucks are now EVs, let's fast forward this.

This is not a sustainability discussion anymore.

This is alternate energy discussion.

>> But you love the item of using the world ripple, because when all of that started with Iran and the strait of Hormuz, people were quite worried and not saying they are not now, but oh, my gosh what is this going to do?

When you say it like this, it did feel more like a ripple as opposed to some seismic move.

>> You are correct.

And then let's now talk about what is strategic.

Oil is -- not saying oil will lose its strategic value, but the question will be, how much do we need rather than oh, my God we need everything.

The next strategic asset and the next supply Shane will be that of electricity.

>> So I have to ask you this, though, because again, I have covered politics way took in my life.

I ask you from a political standpoint.

Do the people in the charge, doesn't matter what party, do though listen to experts like yourself, economists that say yes, maybe some of your rhetoric appeals to some of your voters but if we look at actual progress or the progress needed you need to listen to me instead?

That is what I am seeing out there.

>> I am not pontificating I am looking at the data saying that 2026 many experts in they started looking at 2026 with the same lens of 2008, the predictions went wrong then you say what is going on in this one?

And you suddenly start to realize that the power that oil once used to have is not there anymore.

And so where is the next power center, I think we should many times repeat it.

We should be where the puck is going to be as a country rather than running behind the puck.

Five, 10 years down the road, I think oil will be important, but it is not going to be the one behind which wars will be fought.

>> That's going to affect a lot of other things, I wish we had more time.

Great to show you professor Chaturvedi.

>> Thank you, pleasure meeting you.

♪ Music Playing ♪ >> All miles away is the original site of the town of white hills where 15 mines produced more than $12 million in gold and silver.

When word of the strike finally got out, whitehills went from nothing to a town of 1500 in two years.

At its height, whitehills boated a post office, election recognize and telephone service, general stores, a schoolhouse, and plenty of saloons, by 1914, the boom had gone bust.

And by the 1930s the ruins remained but the people were gone.

Today there is little left to remind us of the rapid rise and fall of whitehills.

>> A NEW ART EXHIBIT IS COMING TO THE PHOENIX ZOO, SHOWCASING THE WORK OF NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC EXPLORER AND PHOTOGRAPHER JOEL SARTORE.

THE EXHIBIT WILL ALSO HELP RAIS MONEY FOR A NEW RESCUE CENTER THAT WILL HOUSE ANIMALS RESCUED FROM WILDLIFE TRAFFICKING.

JOINING US NOW FOR MORE ON THIS WE WELCOME DR.

GARY WEST, SENIO VICE PRESIDENT OF THE ANIMAL HEALTH AND LIVING COLLECTIONS A THE PHOENIX ZOO.

Thanks for being here, good to see you.

>> Thank you for having me.

>> Let's talk about the center and what the expectations are.

When will it be done.

Three questions in one.

>> Yeah, well, we are actively con strutting in now.

The Doornboss animal care and rescue certainty we are hoping to increase our capacity to help with rescue and rehabilitation of illegally trafficked wildlife which is a growing problem for endangered and critically endangered species.

We are actively doing that now.

We have some animals that we currently work with in a rescue situation but we are hoping to greatly increase the capacity for that.

>> Well, so could you give me some rough numbers of what you are -- rescues you have now and how many you may have if the center is as successful as you want it to be?

>> That's a challenging question.

While I was wait for this interview I got an email about some animal confiscations in southern California.

Arizona is in a unique place in that we have an international boarder and close to the port of Los Angeles.

And there is a lot of unfortunate illegal wildlife trafficking occurring.

So currently we don't have huge capacity.

Which is a big reason we want to build this center.

We are housing about 20 tortoises right now.

And if you look at turtles and tortoises which sometimes you know, fly under the radar for people's attention, there's estimates that probably over a million turtles and tortoises are trafficked in and out of the U.S.

every year.

Often come in cruel inhuman conditions.

We are hoping for emergency care, rehabilitation care, healthcare, and try to get them back to possibly a positive conservation outcome.

>> What other kind of animals are trafficked?

I am not sure people actually know.

>> It's a wide variety.

From things you wouldn't think of.

Corals to marine fish.

To birds, retiles of biggest.

>> Pangolins make the news big.

We had a partner zoo that rescued 18 baby spider monkeys.

You can imagine people think of a monkey it is an appropriate pet it is not.

The mothers are often killed.

And then the babies are trafficked across the board and sold to people in the United States.

>> How horrible is that the idea of that -- and do people do it simply for, you know, the same way that Poach nurse Africa would do this, simply financial benefit?

>> Yeah, it really is.

It's an economic driver.

It's a multi billion dollars a year business.

And you can imagine a spider monkey mother is not giving up her baby willingly show she's killed and the baby is taken.

So, yeah, it's all about the money.

>> Yeah.

When it cops to a rescue center like this, I imagine there are a lot of complexities to go into that.

So when you have a certainty I will not ask you for numbers on how much of a staff you need because you don't know yet.

What sort of equipment do you need?

What sort of tech knowing do you need?

>> Another great question.

We want medical equipment.

Portable ultrasound to like an ER or the Pitt or whatever favorite medical show to do quick health evaluations on incoming animals health evaluations, treatments, incubators to warm up baby animals it has to be multiuse, too, we might have annual gate ore are crock tile or a tortoise, monkey, tiger, it's going to have to be a building that can house a lot of different species.

>> And also be able to keep those species not only in a good habitat for them but accept frat other animals I would think, right?

>> Exactly.

The zoo and all of our professionals we can provide skilled care and suitable housing for the long-term.

And then the hope is, you know, that they contribute to the greater conservation good down the road.

>> So when having a center like this, another thing that comes to mind for me, is again when we talk about those doing this for economic benefit or the case of spider monkeys the mother is killed.

Can a certainty like this, in addition to helping the animals that immediately need help, can it raise awareness to the general public saying, okay.

You may not know it's happening but keep news mind as you see things going on in the world?

>> For sure.

That's an important point.

This certainty the animals are not on public visit do we give special tours, programs and talk about the plight of turtles and tortoises people don't realize how heavily trafficked that group of animals is.

>> Finally very briefly.

You don't have on give you would the details but there is a fundraiser coming up in the fall?

>> Yeah, very exciting October 16th.

Joel Sartore who is a world renowned wildlife photographer and conservationist, and he has created over many, many years, in fact, it's gotten some photos from the Phoenix zoo photo arc over 18,000 animals now, he's do you wanted.

He's going to be at the zoo October 16th.

It's a fundraise fore a rescue certainty.

Very entertaining.

And so I would encourage people to come.

>> Great, Gary thanks for being here.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Good luck.

>> Thank you.

>> That's all for this edition of "Arizona Horizon."

I am Steve Goldstein in to Ted same your Honor, thank you so much for watching.

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