UKRAINE AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER, THE BLUE WALL OF SILENCE, AND MELTS IN YOUR MOUTH NOT IN YOUR HAND...A NEW MARKETING CAMPAIGN HITS A NERVE.

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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA COLLEGE.

TONIGHT'S PANELISTS ARE KRISTI ANDERSEN FROM THE MAXWELL SCHOOL AT SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM CAZENOVIA COLLEGE, LUKE PERRY FROM UTICA COLLEGE AND TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

WE'LL START THIS WEEK WHERE WE LEFT OFF LAST...THE ONGOING CRISIS IN UKRAINE AND WHAT WAR WOULD MEAN FOR THE POST WAR ORDER.

THE U.S. SAYS RUSSIA COULD INVADE AT ANY TIME.

NATO IS SHORING UP ITS EASTERN FLANK AND 8500 AMERICAN TROOPS ARE ON HIGH ALERT TO MOVE TO THE REGION.

THIS COULD GET BLOODY, QUICKLY.

WHAT'S AT STAKE-WHY IS THE WEST DRAWING A LINE AT UKRAINE, WHICH IS NOT A NATO MEMBER?

WELL, DICTATOR INVADING ITS NEIGHBORS IN EUROPE.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

UKRAINE IS A LONG TIME ALLY OF THE UNITED STATES.

WE'VE SPENT 60 YEARS TRYING TO KEEP RUSSIA OUT OF EASTERN EUROPE.

WE'VE SPENT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ATTEMPTING TO DO THAT.

I THINK THAT, UNFORTUNATELY FOR UKRAINE, THEY'RE AT THE CROSSROADS OF EUROPE AND ASIA NATO AND RUSSIA AND SO THEY'RE IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION.

THERE ARE NO GREAT POLICY OPTIONS FOR THEM OR FOR THE UNITED STATES I DO THINK EVENTUALLY UKRAINE WILL JOIN NATO AND INTEGRATE INTO THE WEST BUT IT PROBABLY WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL PUTIN IS DEAD.

>> I WOULD JUST ADD AND WE SAID THIS LAST WEEK, I THINK, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN AGREEMENTS SIGNED BY BOTH THE INS AND RUSSIA WHICH PROTECT THE BOUNDARIES INDEPENDENTNESS OF UKRAINE SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE VIOLATED EITHER.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT YOU ARE BRINGING UP CHINA AND KOREA ARE WATCHING.

AND IF THIS IS TAKING ACTIONS LIKE THIS GETS THE ATTENTION OF AMERICA AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COME ALONG AND STRIKE DEALS, IS THIS THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NEGOTIATE.

>> YOU ARE SAYING THAT THIS HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE RELATIONS WITH CHINA AND CHINA'S RELATIONS WITH TAIWAN.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> TARA.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THIS HAS MUCH GREATER IMPLICATIONS IN TERMS OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA.

CHINA'S ABILITY TO WITH STAND ANY SORT OF U.S. SANCTIONS.

WE ARE IN THIS ONGOING ISSUE ABOUT THE ONGOING VALUE OF THE YEN.

OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH TAIWAN, THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH TAIWAN.

IT HAS GREATER IMPLICATIONS AND IMPLICATIONS FOR WHAT HAPPENS INTERNALLY WITH UKRAINE WITH PRO-RUSSIAN DISSIDENT GROUPS ALREADY OPERATING IN UKRAINE AND BEING STRENGTHENED BY RUSSIA.

THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T SORT OF TAKE A HARD STAND NOW, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE AND MORE OF UKRAINE TO GET SORT OF EATEN UP BY RUSSIA OR CERTAINLY STRONGER CONTROL BY RUSSIA WITHIN UKRAINE, SO AGAIN, AS LUKE POINTED OUT, THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY GREAT OPTIONS FOR THE UNITED STATES.

>> IT'S INTERESTING THAT PUBLIC OPINION IN UKRAINE HAS REALLY SHIFTED TOWARD AWAY FROM RUSSIA, AWAY FROM THINKING THAT THEY WERE CLOSE TO RUSSIA OR-- SINCE 2014.

AND I FIND THAT ENCOURAGING AND YET ANOTHER REASON THAT WE SHOULD BE HELPING THE UKRAINIANS.

>> I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE SEE PUTIN HEADING THE WAY HE HAS.

HE KNOWS THAT.

NOW THAT NATIONAL PUBLIC OPINION VARIES PER REGION, OF COURSE.

BUT I DO THINK THE CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED ARE WARRANTED IN TOMORROWS IN TERMS OF IMPLICATIONS.

BUT SUSTAINED DIALOGUE WITH PUTIN IS THE BEST APPROACH.

THAT'S WHAT PUTIN WANTS.

HE PROBABLY KNOWS HE IS NOT GOING TO GET HARD AGREEMENTS AND IS NOT GOING TO GET U.S.

WEAPONS OUT OF UKRAINE AND OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE REGION BUT IF HE CAN HAVE A NATIONAL DIALOGUE, THAT'S A POLICY WIN FOR HIM AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RISKS OF INVASION AND WHAT THAT MIGHT ENTAIL.

>> WHY NOT MAKE SOME SORT OF AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OR FORMAL AGREEMENT ON A LONG-TERM MORATORIUM ON NATO MEMBERSHIP IF THEY'RE KNOT GOING TO BECOME MEMBERS ANY TIME SOON.

WHAT IS THE RISK TO THE U.S. AND NATO OF MAKING THAT KIND OF AN AGREEMENT TO PREVENT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A HUGE LAND WAR IN EUROPE WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SINCE 1945 I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE SANCTIONS THAT WE USED IN 2014.

IT WAS AROUND 1% G.D.P.

SO IT WASN'T VERY STRONG TO THE OVERALL ECONOMIC I AM PACK ON RUSSIA IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE CAN'T FORGET ABOUT AFGHANISTAN.

WE LITERALLY LEFT ALL OUR PARTNERS AND PEOPLE THAT WE FOUGHT ALONGSIDE FOR A DECADE OR MORE THAN A DECADE AND LEFT THEM HIGH AND DRY.

SO COUNTRIES LIKE RUSSIA AND CHINA AND NORTH KOREA SAW THAT ALONG WITH UKRAINE I HEEN HOW COMFORTABLE ARE THEY THAT WE ARE GOING BE AROUND, THAT WE ARE REALLY THERE FOR THEM WE LOOK OUR DIPLOMATS OUT.

THE AMERICAN DIPLOMATS AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE OUT OF THERE.

>> UKRAINE IS THE LARGEST COUNTRY IN EUROPE SO FOR THE U.S. AND OTHER WESTERN EUROPEAN ALLIES TO SAY OKAY, RUSSIA, WE WON'T CONSIDER THEIR CONCESSION IN NATO.

I THINK IT IS BETTER TO DELAY THE CONFLICT UNTIL NEW LEADERSHIP POST COLD WAR LEADERSHIP IS IN PLACE TO BRIDGE A NEW ORDER.

>> THAT IS EASY TO SAY.

DELAY THE CONFLICT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CHOICE TO DELAY THE CONFLICT BUT I WANT TO TOUCH ON AMERICAN REACTION TO THIS.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF REPORTS THAT PEOPLE ARE CALLING THEIR CONGRESSIONAL OFFICES AND SAYING WE SHOULD BE TAKING RETURN A'S SIDE.

THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER THAT A REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEW JERSEY I BELIEVE WAS GETTING CALLS COMING IN SAYING WE SHOULD BE ON RUSSIA'S SIDE IN THIS.

>> WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE.

>> >> SERIOUSLY.

HE IS CERTAINLY MAKING THAT POINT AND I THINK J.D.

VANCE HAS COME OUT.

>> WHAT IS THEIR ARGUMENT?

WHY SHOULD WE BE ON RUSSIA'S SIDE.

>> THE ARGUMENT IS WHY SHOULD WE GET INVOLVED IN A MESS OVER THERE AND THAT'S RUSSIA'S SPHERE OF INFLUENCE AND LET'S LET THEM HAVE IT.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT PART OF THE ISSUE IS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHY SHOULD WE BE MAKING SUCH A BIG ISSUE OUT OF UKRAINE JOINING NATO BECAUSE THAT IS SORT OF WHAT GETS THE LEAD IN MANY OF THE STORIES IS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT UKRAINE TO JOIN NATO.

WELL, THE BIGGER ISSUE I THINK FOR THE UNITED STATES IS, LET'S ALL REMEMBER UKRAINE IS A SOVEREIGN NATION SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO JOIN OR NOT JOIN NATO IF THEY SO CHOOSE AND THERE IS THE RIGHT OF THE NATO MEMBERS WHO SHALL DETERMINE WHO WILL BE IN NATO AND PART OF THE PROBLEM, I THINK IS THAT THAT ARGUMENT GETS LOST IN THE MIDDLE FOR PEOPLE LIKE TUCKER CARLSON AND OTHERS, IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT RUSSIA HAVING THE ABILITY TO SORT OF NEGOTIATE AROUND THE UKRAINE, WHICH IS PART OF AN ISSUE HERE THAT DOESN'T GET DISCUSSED VERY MUCH, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S DOING.

NEGOTIATE WITH THE UNITED STATES AND JUST IGNORE UKRAINE LIKE IT'S NOT A SOVEREIGN NATION.

BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS YOU DON'T WANT RUSSIA OR CHINA HAVING THE ABILITY TO TURN AROUND AND TELL NATO THIS IS WHO CAN BE A MEMBER AND WHO CAN'T.

>> NOW TRIAL WITH BIG IMPLICATIONS FOR POLICING GOT UNDER WAY IN MINNEAPOLIS THIS WEEK.

THE OTHER THREE POLICE OFFICERS INVOLVED WHEN DEREK CHAUVIN KILLED GEORGE FLOYD ARE ACCUSED OF FAILING TO INTERVENE, TO STOP SHAWIVE.

THE CASE CONFRONTS THE SO CALLED BLUE WALL OF SILENCE THAT EXISTS IN MANY POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

THERE HAVE BEEN FEW FEDERAL TRIALS ON FAILURE TO INTERVENE AND THAT LEADS SOME TO BELIEVE THAT THIS CASE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DEREK CHAUVIN MURDER TRIAL.

WILL THIS HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE WAY POLICE DO THEIR JOBS?

>> I THINK IT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S GOING TO MOTIVATE DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT THEIR POLICIES AND THE WAY THEY'RE TRAINING THEIR OFFICERS TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE RESISTING ARREST OR IN CUSTODY AND HOW THEY KNOWLEDGE THEM SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE THAT ARE KILLED IN CUSTODY.

THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT OUR LEADERS RUN INTO THIS CULTURE IS THE RISK ASSESSMENT AND LOOKING AT HIGH RISK, HIGH LIABILITY BUT LOW FREQUENCY EVENTS LIKE THIS AND ADDRESSING THEM WITH TRAINING THAT IS AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE SO WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, THEY HAVE THE SIMILAR EXPERIENCE TO PULL FROM, THE RELEVANT TRAINING AND KNOWLEDGE TO DO THE RIGHT THING IS THERE I USED THE BLUE WALL OF SILENCE.

IF SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING WRONG, EVERYBODY CLOSES RANKS TO PROTECT THEM.

HOW PREVALENT IS THAT PRACTICE?

>> THE IDEA IS EXTREMELY PREVALENT IN THE NARRATIVE THAT IS PUSHING THE MEDIA.

IN REALITY IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT WAS NOT PREVALENT BUT MY EXPERIENCE WAS BASED IN A LARGER CITY WHERE YOU HAD THE TRAINING EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE AROUND YOU.

UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE OVER 18,000 JURISDICTIONS WHERE THERE ARE JURISDICTIONS OF 20 OFFICERS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE EITHER TRAINING, EXPERIENCE OR KNOWLEDGE.

AND WHEN YOU ARE LACKING ONE OF THOSE, BAD DECISIONS ARE MADE WHEN YOU HAVE NO TIME TO THINK IT THROUGH.

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON TRAINING.

I THINK I AGREE THAT THAT IS THE KEY TO THIS.

AND LOTS OF TRAINING.

SO IT'S ALMOST REFLECTIONIVE-- REFLEXIVE TO UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT WAY TO TREAT SOMEBODY EVEN IF A DIFFICULT SITUATION AND TO REMIND YOUR OTHER COLLEAGUES OF THAT.

BUT IT IS THE CASE, I THINK, THAT SIMPLY THE PROSECUTION OF THESE PEOPLE-- I GUESS I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION.

IS IT THE CASE THAT THE PROSECUTION OF THESE THREE INDIVIDUALS WILL ALSO BRING MORE ATTENTION TO THIS AND MAYBE ENCOURAGE THESE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO BULK UP THEIR TRAINING IN THIS REGARD?

>> YEAH, I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT WILL, REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME.

NO MATTERED WHAT, WE CAN'T BRING GEORGE FLOYD BACK.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ADDRESS IT PROACTIVELY INSTEAD OF REACTIVELY AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO FILL THE EMPTY VOIDS IN OUR UNEXPERIENCED OFFICERS HEADS THAT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED IN FIVE MINUTES.

THEY TALK ABOUT THE NINE MINUTES WHERE HE IS ON THE BACK OF THE NECK OF GEORGE FLOYD, BUT GEORGE FLOYD WAS YELLING AND CRYING AND DOING ALL SORTS OF STUFF FOR MOST OF THAT TIME.

EMS WAS CALLED SEVEN MINUTES BEFORE HE WAS LIFTED ON TO THE GURNEY.

SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE PLAYING OUT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A LONG TIME BUT IF THE OFFICERS DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, TRAINING AND KNOWLEDGE TO PULL FROM, BAD DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE AND THIS WAS AN AWFUL DECISION THAT THESE OFFICERS DIDN'T HEAR WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

I REFLECT ON AN INCIDENT WHERE I HAD A SUSPECT THAT I HAD 43 FELONY WARRANTS ON ARRESTED IN A STOLEN VEHICLE, PROCESSED AT THE COUNTY JAIL BUT THE PRINTS HADN'T COME BACK.

HE FAKED A HEART ATTACK, WENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND ESCAPED.

AND WE DIDN'T CATCH HIM FOR SIX MONTHS.

HE WAS MAKING A MILLION DOLLARS A WEEK OFF OF PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES.

NOW WE SEE PEOPLE FAKE STUFF LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME AS POLICE OFFICERS, SO THE REAL ISSUE IS YOU NEED TO GET THEM ON YOUR SIDE THAT PEOPLE DO SUFFOCATE ON THEIR STOMACH AND YOU ARE PUTTING ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON THEIR BACK.

>> THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING POINT.

I DON'T THINK POLICE OFFICERS ARE UNIQUE IN BEING IN AN OCCUPATION WHERE PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS IN THEIR SELF INTEREST TO PROTECT THEIR JOB AND SOMETIMES THOSE DECISIONS ARE RESTRAINT AT DOING NOTHING AND THE CONSEQUENCES IN THAT LINE OF WORK ARE VERY HIGH.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

I WONDER IN ADDITION TO THE TRAINING ON THE ONE HAND AND POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCES ON THE OTHER HAND IF THERE IS AN INTERMEDIARY CONSEQUENCE THAT POLICE DEPARTMENTS CAN ADOPT, RIGHT?

SOY SO PERHAPS IN IF YOU GO THROUGH THE TRAINING AND THERE IS AN INCIDENT DIFFICULT TO PROSECUTE AND POLICE OFFICERS DON'T INTERVENE BUT THERE IS PROTOCOL WHERE SUSPENDED A MONTH WITHOUT PAY AND SOME TIMES OF SOME TYPE OF EVALUATIVE PROCESS, IT MIGHT CREATE INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING NOT BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT IT ALIGNS WITH THEIR IMMEDIATE SELF INTEREST THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET PAID FOR A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

>> WE DO THAT IN LARGER DEPARTMENTS.

QUICKLY AND I'M TRYING NOT TO SUCK UP ALL THE TIME, WE SAW THIS WITH THE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

WE USED TO WAIT FOR THE SWAT TEAM TO GET THERE AND WE SAW PEOPLE DYING ACTIVELY WITH ACTIVE HOMICIDE AND THE TRAINING OUT OF THAT HAS SAVED COUNTLESS LIVES.

THE TRAINING REALLY IS AT THE HEART OF THIS.

>> THERE HAS GOT TO BE A HUMAN-- IN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OFFICERS IN THAT SITUATION, WHERE THERE IS GOING TO BE A RELUCTANCE-- I MEAN TO EVEN TO DO WHAT YOU JUST SUGGESTED, TO IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO LOSE THREE MONTHS PAY YOU STILL HAVE THE CODE OR STILL WORRIED ABOUT TAKING CARE OF YOUR FELLOW OFFICER.

THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF NATURE THAT I WONDER IF PEOPLE-- IF OFFICERS WILL BECOME MORE DISTRUSTFUL OF EACH OTHER IF THEY THINK THE CODE IS NOT THERE.

>> I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AND I THINK THERE IS A TWO-PART DISTRUST HERE.

I THINK OFFICERS WILL BECOME MORE DISTRUSTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER, ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU GET ISSUES OF SENIORITY VERSUS RELATIVELY NEW OFFICER RELATIVELY INEXPERIENCED OFFICER BUT I ALSO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER DISTRUST COMPONENT THAT MAKES THIS MORE DIFFICULT, TOO AND THAT IS THE PUBLIC'S DISTRUST BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HAS REACHED THE POINT WHERE A SMALL NUMBER OF CASES HAVE MOVED THE PUBLIC TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SATISFIED, I DON'T THINK, LUKE, WITH THE TYPES OF PENALTIES YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT, THE INTERIM PENALTY.

IT SEEMS TO BE OKAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD THESE EGREGIOUS CASES THAT AUTOMATICALLY THE SOLUTION SHOULD BE PIRE-- SHOULD BE FIRE THE PERSON, CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

AND THE PUBLIC HAS REACHED A POINT WHERE THEY'RE NOT REALLY ACCEPTING THAT, OKAY EGREGIOUS ASIDE, THE MORE REALISTIC SITUATION IS THE SITUATION WHERE PERHAPS THE PENALTY SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.

THE ATTITUDE OF THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN FIRE THEM.

PERIOD.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO GOING TO CREATE A BARRIER TO THE INTERIM TYPES OF SOLUTIONS YOU ARE SUCTING AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE UNIONS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A STRONG INCENTIVE TO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A STRONG INCENTIVE TO AGREE TO THE INTERIM SOLUTIONS SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT CREATES A RECORD WHERE IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, IT'S MORE LIKELY AN OFFICER WILL GET FIRED.

>> THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THE POINT THAT THESE ARE HIGH PRESSURE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE SPLIT SECOND DECISIONS AND THEY CAN GO SIDEWAYS.

YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT BEFORE ON THIS PROGRAM.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MAY BE THE LAST PERSON IN AMERICA TO KNOW THAT M & MS HAVE PERSONALITIES AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE.

GREEN IS SEXY, ORANGE IS ANXIOUS AND RED IS AN ALPHA MALE.

BUT THE MARS-WRIGLEY CANDY COMPANY HAS DECIDED TO MAKE ITS MASCOTS MORE INCLUSIVE TO "BETTER REFLECT TODAY'S SOCIETY."

THIS MARKETING MAKEOVER HAS BROUGHT A FAIR AMOUNT OF RIDICULE, BUT ALSO OUTRAGE OVER "WOKE CAPITALISM."

WHY SUCH AN OVER THE TOP RESPONSE TO A MARKETING STRATEGY?

>> THE OVER THE TOP RESPONSE COMES BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE HEART OF 24 HUGE DEBATE ACROSS THE NATION ABOUT CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND WHAT CRITICAL RACE THEORY IS AND WHAT IT IS ISN'T THERE IS INCREASED PRESSURE ON, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AT ALMOST EVERY LEVEL TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT TEXTBOOKS AND THE WAY RACE IS TALKED ABOUT AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T MAKE STUDENTS FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE OR HAVE ANXIETY ABOUT THEIR WHITENESS OR MAKE THEM FEEL THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HISTORIC INCIDENTS OF RACISM, SEGREGATION, ET CETERA SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THIS HAS GOTTEN SUCH A BIG BACKLASH AND THE FACT THAT THE PERSONALITY OF THE M & MS SEEMS TO BE VERY MUCH CONNECTED WITH THE NOTION OF DON'T MAKE ANYONE FEEL BAD, CONNECTED WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE WOMEN SEEM LIKE SEX OBJECTS, ETC.

THAT HAS ALL GOTTEN WRAPPED INTO THIS WHOLE DEBATE.

>> RIGHT, AND I THINK ADVERTISERS HAVE CHANGED THE IMAGES THEY USE FOR ADVERTISEMENTS MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS.

THINK ABOUT LOOK IN THE 50s AT HOW HOUSEHOLD GOODS ARE BEING ADVERTISED WITH THE WOMEN IN THE DRESSES AND DANCING AROUND THE WASHING MACHINES AND, YOU KNOW, SO ON.

AND THIS IS HIVE THIEF THIS HAS GENDER STUFF IN HERE, TOO.

AND BASICALLY MARS IS DOING WHAT ADVERTISERS HAVE ALWAYS DONE, WHICH IS SORT OF ADJUST THE IMAGES THEY'RE USING IN ADVERTISEMENTS TO BETTER REFLECT THE WORLD.

THE WORLD AS IT IS.

SO YOU ARE RIGHT, THE PEOPLE ON FOX NEWS JUST HAVE THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR VERY ATTUNED TO THIS STUFF.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT I JUST HEARD THIS MORNING AS I WAS LEAVING THE HOUSE, OR READ, THAT THERE IS NOW A TIP LINE IN VIRGINIA WHERE PARENTS CAN CALL SOMEBODY, TUCKER CARLSON MAYBE, TO TELL WHOEVER IT IS THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE BEING TAUGHT ANYTHING ABOUT RACISM.

THEY CAN COMPLAIN THAT THEY'RE BEING TAUGHT ABOUT RACISM.

>> CHANGES IN MARKETING AND POPULAR CULTURE AS A PARENT IS SOMETHING I WELCOME.

AS A WHITE NORTHERN SUBURBAN KID GROWING UP EATING AUNT JEMIMA PANCAKES AND WATCHING THE DUKES OF HAZARD, MY CHILDREN'S EXPERIENCES ARE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT AND ITS GREAT.

I HAVE NO ISSUE.

>> I DO HAVE AN ISSUE.

>> I DON'T THINK-- AND I WON'T SAY THIS VERY OFTEN BUT I DON'T THINK FOX NEWS ARE OFF BASE ON THIS ONE USING INANIMATE OBJECTS, THINGS THAT ARE NOT REAL, THAT WE EAT, TO PUSH WOKE RHETORIC IS A STEP BACKWARDS.

I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON HUMAN I'DING EACH OTHER, FOCUS ON COMMON GROUND AND NOT CONFUSE REAL ISSUES WITH FOOD.

IF I GO TO GET A STEAK AT A STEAK HOUSE AND THEY PERSONALIZE IT AND GIVE IT A BACKSTORY, I'M NOT GOING TO WANT TO EAT IT AND IT'S RIDICULOUS.

IT'S A STEP BACKWARDS.

WE ARE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION WITH THIS.

THE MARS MARKETING CAMPAIGN, THEY HAVE DONE THEIR RESEARCH HERE AND THEY MUST FIGURE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EAT THE M & MS. >> YOU DIDN'T LIKE SNAP, CRACKLE AND POP.

>> I LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT DOES SNAP, CRACKLE AND POP FOR 30 SECONDS BEFORE IT IS SOAKED IN MILK.

>> SOME OF THE RESPONSE CERTAINLY HAS TO BE TROLLING.

IT'S GOT TO BE.

TUCKER CARLSON HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION ON OUR PROGRAM TODAY, THREE OR FOUR MENTIONS AND HE HAD A BIG THING ABOUT THIS BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HE IS REALLY THAT UPSET ABOUT IT.

HE JUST MUST BE POKING AT THE LIBERALS.

GOTS GOT TO BE.

>> IT'S NOT JUST FOOD.

THERE ARE SYMBOLIC AND SOCIAL VALUE GIVEN TO SOMETHING LIKE M & Ms PART OF AMERICAN SOCIETY AND CULTURE AND HAS BEEN FOR SOMETIME.

I UNDERSTAND THE LARGER POINT BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOT OVERLOOK THE SIGNIFICANCE OF HOW MAJOR ADVERTISERS, MARKETPLACE COMPANIES PRESENT THEIR PRODUCT TO THE PUBLIC AND AS ATTITUDES AND NORMS CHANGE, THEY SHOULD FOLLOW SUIT.

>> TO As AND FS, KRISTI,.

>> AN F TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO MAKE PROFIT BUYING AND SELLING STOCKS WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN IN POSITIONS TO HAVE INSIDE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT UPCOMING POLICY CHANGES OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS THAT MAY AFFECT PRICES.

THIS INCLUDES BOTH DEMOCRATS LIKE DIANE FEINSTEIN, REPUBLICANS LIKE RAND PAUL.

IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THAT CONGRESS NEEDS TO END THIS PRACTICE BY PREVENTING MEMBERS FROM BUYING AND SELLING INDIVIDUAL STOCKS.

>> MY F GOES TO A FLORIDA WOMAN WHO USED TIKTOK POST AS HER SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR BREATHTAKING MOUNTAIN RANGE IN NORTH CAROLINA.

A TIKTOK POST TRICKED THIS WOMAN INTO DRIVING AN HOUR OUT OF HER WAY WITH PICTURES ACTUALLY FROM SWITZERLAND.

NOW OUT OF THIS GASTON COUNTY DIRECTOR OF TRAVEL AND TOURISM SAID THEY'RE HAPPY THE FAMILY CAME BUT NEXT TIME TO GO TO THEIR WEBSITE GOGASTONNORTH CAROLINA.ORG.

>> MY F GOES TO REPORTS THAT U.S. SPECIAL FORCES IN SYRIA SKIRTED NO STRIKE RULES AND BOMBED TARGETS WITH HIGH RISK TO CIVILIANS.

THIS INCLUDED THE COUNTRY'S LARGEST DAM THAT NEARLY PRODUCED A HUMAN CATASTROPHE.

>> TO FOX NATION HOST TOMMY LARREN THAT IF BIDEN SHOWS A AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN TO REPLACE THE JUDGE.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A FEAR ON THE PART OF LAUREN THAT YOU CAN'T CHOOSE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN JUDGE WHO IS COMPETENT AT THE SAME TIME.

>> OKAY.

LET'S GO TO THE AS AND KRISTI TO YOU.

>> AN A TO FORMER CONGRESSMAN JIM WALSH WHOSE OP-ED IN THE POST STANDARD WAS A MODEL OF WHAT OTHER CURRENT AND FORMER REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS SHOULD BE PUBLICLY SAYING AND I QUOTE "THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS LOST ITS WAY.

IT IS SHOCKING TO ME SAID WALSH, HOW MANY OF MY FELLOW ELECTED REPUBLICANS HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE TRUMP LIE.

DONALD TRUMP IS A THEY'RE THREAT TO OUR WAY OF GOVERNMENT.

>> BEN, YOUR A.

>> TO AN LAPD SERGEANT WHO SAVED A CHOKING CHILD THIS PAST WEEK, IT'S HARD TO WATCH VIDEO BUT BODY CAM FOOTAGE OF A FATHER DESPERATELY RUNNING TOWARDS TO THE TARGET ASKING FOR HELP SCREAMING FOR HELP THAT HIS CHILD WAS COMPLETELY LIMP, NOT BREATHING AND THE OFFICER USED HIS TRAINING TO DO A FINGER SWEEP, GET THE CHOKING ITEM OUT OF THE CHILD'S THROAT AND CLEAR THE THE AIR WAY.

SHE WAS TAKEN TO HOSPITAL AND DOING WELL NOW.

>> AND LUKE, YOUR A.

>> TUESDAY WAS NATIONAL POLL WORKERS RECRUITMENT DAY AND MY MY A GOES TO ALL POLL WORKERS AND ONEIDA COUNTY FOR ANNOUNCING IT WILL HIRE TWICE AS MANY POLL WORKERS THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST.

>> OWE ONEIDA COUNTY CERTAINLY HAD TROUBLES LAST TIME AROUND WITH THAT.

>> MY A GOES TO LOUISIANA SENATORIAL CANDIDATE GARY CHAMBERS FOR PLACING THE INEQUITIES OF THE DRUG SENTENCING LAWS FRONT AND CENTER.

HIS COMMERCIAL HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT EVERY 37 SECONDS SOMEONE IN LOUISIANA IS JAILED FOR POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA.

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