And now the 490 with Gretchen de Bakker might kill them.

And Kevin Mullin.

Welcome to the 419.

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I'm Kevin Mullin.

Gretchen de Becker.

I kill em.

I'm trying new ways.

Do I like it?

Thanks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What does he do different?

Nothing.

Tuesday night means I take it up and action up tomorrow.

I rolled the R. Let's try it again.

All right.

I'm Kevin Mullins.

Go back.

To guys.

Yeah.

I like it so much.

Our friends from Spain will love our for our trail.

And I think if you guys could pick one country, you think that, we would do, like, the best.

Yeah.

Certainly not our own.

What?

Iran.

I can' wait for the emails about that.

Man.

Yeah.

It is, regrettably, was our Iran.

Let me look at the results.

So toda we're going to be taking a look at our toledo.com community calendar driven by.

Tada.

But first we've got a jam packed show.

Yeah, we do.

We've got, Andrew saying Kowski is going to.

Come on.

Yes.

Matt, he' talking about bike to work.

Yep.

That was a question.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He is.

Yep.

Yep.

Okay.

And then, Manhattan crane.

Yes.

From the from the blade is coming back on.

Yes.

And she is bringing treats.

Yes.

They're bringing Mister G's barn is going to be here.

If you've ever driven by there, you know it's Mr.

G's barn season.

And they're going to talk about the ice cream passport that explore for one night.

If there's anything that makes him more proud to be an American mister, which.

Oh, which I say a lot.

Yeah.

It is that not in in a time when there's food scarcity.

We are going to launch a dietary trip around our little burg here, and that's why.

And and I am not going to sit by and allow you to talk down about the ice cream past.

You know, I think passports are mor important than ever right now.

And an ice cream passport i the best version of a passport.

I'll tell you one thing, Kevin.

I know that this is goin to make you feel uncomfortable, but you have been a leader in.

I don't know why you've always been about lactose tolerance.

Yes, I do.

It's like the intolerance for lactose is is just.

It's gone too far.

Yeah.

Those people don't know up from down.

Right, right.

At a time when we're so full of hate, you, you're about tolerance.

The one thing you can b tolerant about, but that's fine.

Yeah.

That's right.

There's one thing we can be tolerant about.

Yeah.

It's about fruit.

It's about lactose and sugar.

And that put sugar.

I don't know a lot about how the Nobel Prizes, but if Mr.

G doesn't have it by now.

Yeah.

Mrs.

G, an unsung hero.

Let's ask about Mrs.

G, because I think it's always the woman behind the man.

I agree with you.

Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah.

Mrs.. Now, Kevin, is it hard for you to get through this show being 45 years old in one day today?

It's a show that's 45 years old in three days.

Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're finding it harder to see what's right in front of you and all that kind of stuff.

Oh, yeah.

No, no, no, that's.

They don't.

Do not adjust to your sets.

If I look older, it's because I feel much older.

I'm happy.

Belated.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

And then, Valerie Lambert was going to come on from optical arts.

She has a vision.

Get it?

How long are you working?

Oh, wow.

Wow.

All right.

Let's just let's dive into our telecom community calendar driven by Tata.

Okay.

Tomorrow night at the Toledo Zoo.

Alison Krauss and the Union Station are in concert.

She's got, sort of country western folk music.

Now she has a name.

Sounds familiar to me.

She's very pretty.

Relatively famous.

Did you ever see the movie?

Oh, brother.

Where art thou?

Absolutely.

She is the singer in many of those songs, including down by the River, the Prairie.

Yeah.

She sings a lot of good harmonies and Union Station band posters up at the Boot Barn.

The boot barn.

Where's all.

I know that's not true.

You would have seen her.

Yeah.

7:30 p.m.

Friday night at the zoo.

It's wort checking out the entire season.

Coming to the Toledo Zoo.

Darius Rucker, Chicago foreigner.

I've seen foreigner.

Awesome.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Awesome.

We booked.

I booked foreigner, in Dallas.

Yeah.

And they were.

Someone described them as the most expensive cover band in history.

Yeah.

Because there's not a single original member in the group.

Oh, really?

Right.

What happened to Joe Graham?

He doesn't travel.

Oh, you look good.

Last night was.

I'm in the 90s, right?

Yeah.

It's swollen tech.

Yeah, that's actually what got him a ticket.

Okay.

Saturday night.

This is something I'm excited about.

Happy birthday to Shane, our producer.

Is it his birthday today?

Who cares?

Okay.

Saturday.

This weekend, the mountains are having a special theme night.

The paper theme night.

Oscar Nunez from famous from the office.

And now i the paper is going to be there.

It's going to be setting autograph meeting fans.

The paper was a show that was set in Toledo at the Toledo Blade.

Yes, it is a show.

A great show.

I would encourage everyon to watch it and head out to the mountains on Saturday night.

Did you just say that the paper was a show set at the Toledo Blade?

Well, it's not technically the Toledo Blade.

It's.

But it's a true Toledo truth.

And it's set in Toledo.

Have you to watch the show?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh.

It's great.

You like it?

Yeah, I like it.

Yeah.

Especially cool.

The whole segment, when Oscar comes in as having moved from Dunder Mifflin and, Pennsylvania.

It's very cute and clever.

I think it's it's, I came in with a lot of, like, expectations of, like, liking the characters.

As much as I like The Office characters right away, but just not how that works.

It's not how The Office works.

No.

When you go back and watch the first office, you're like, right this built this took a minute.

Yeah, yeah.

I went right from just the ten of us, to the show as Seamless.

Yeah, yeah.

Subject matter.

Same everything.

That's right.

Yeah.

Science after dark side at Imagination Station this Saturday, May 23rd.

This is a fundraiser.

A kickoff for their unofficial galaxies exhibit.

Super, super cool.

They're going to have lightsaber battles.

You can dress in costume.

Starts at 7 p.m.. Tickets are available o the Imagination Station website.

More information can be found at twitter.com.

Obviously it is a Saturday, but I feel like we're about 19 days too late.

I feel like this would have been around May 4th.

May the force be with you kind of thing, so let's boycott it.

Yeah, that's no no no no no no no.

She got supporte the good people in imagination again this weekend.

Lots to do this weekend.

It is Memorial Day weekend but it is the annual tradition of Labor Day weekend at the Toledo Farmers Market starting Saturday, May 23rd to Monday, May 25th.

So I'm kind of thinking you do flower Day weekend in the morning, you go to the Mud Hens gam and then you pop over to science after dark at the Imagination Station.

You'll be again.

You'll be all set.

And then when you're recovering the next day, on Sunday May 24th, you go to the Vistula, artists market at Toledo Spirits.

They set it up sort of in their parking lot.

They're, They're having signature craft cocktails, food trucks.

About 40 different artists and vendors will be there, to, sell their wares at the Visual artists market.

Our friends at Toledo Spirits are putting that on.

On Sunday, May 24th.

Nice.

Lots of cool things going on in Toledo.

And of course, our friends at target can get you to each and every one of those.

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When we come back, Andrew Saint Koski is going to ride his bike right on to the set.

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Welcome back into the 419 powered by GT e. So many cool things happening around the region.

This mont we just reviewed our toledo.com community calendar, driven by Tada!

We're joined no by Andrew Saint Kowski, a bike enthusiast, bike safety enthusiast.

Maybe is the right how would you describe yourself?

I would just say that I feel really passionate that people should be able to bike wherever they want get around for transportation, take their kids with them, go for recreational rides, get where they want to go by, ride and be able to do that safely and comfortably.

Not to sound old timey but some of my favorite memories as a kid when I'm riding my yeah somewhere, even as a passenger.

I remember my mom had, you know, a seat in the back to, like, construction sites and stuff, so she could meet men.

But, but pedaling everywhere.

And we we lived at that time, in the neighborhood adjacent to Ottawa Park.

And I did feel like this wa a great mode of transportation.

Yeah.

Can I ask you, Andrew?

Are you from Toledo?

I am from originally.

I'm originally from Toledo.

I was away for a while, but then moved back up to talk to me about biking as part of, of your life.

And we'll get into some more of the bike man things, and.

Sure.

Well, I mean, like, like you said, and I think for a lot of people, right, there is this idea that as children they bike around a lot.

Right.

And I did that.

I grew up, in the Five Points area.

You know, and I would bike to school.

I would back to my friends houses.

Right.

I would do all that stuff.

But also the kind of motor motor normativity that exists in the world.

I eventually really wanted to drive a car, right.

And then drove to high school.

Although I look back and say, I could have biked, I like on a bike everywhere.

I went to central.

So yeah, okay, there you go.

Yep.

So yeah.

So I could have bike there.

I took the bus home a couple of years and that was nice.

But then, you know, oh, got to get in the car.

Right.

And then, I kind of didn't bik so much after that for a while.

And then, eventually, I don't know, I just, I picked it up.

I feel like maybe I felt that I was missing, I was, I was long it and so I and picked it up when I was living in Boston, and started getting around and then Covid happened, and, you know, I couldn't go anywhere to be with people but I could bike to get around, and see the city.

So while I was only there for a short period of time, mostly while the city was shut down, I was able to kind of really get to know it and explore it a lot.

And I think that's one thing that I really appreciate about biking is in order to explore and get around a place.

A bike is kind of the best way to let you get places quickly, but also be in a human scale.

When you're in a car, you're just moving too fast.

You're you're disconnected from everything, but on a bike you're able to go cover long distances, but you're still able to be present in this area.

There's nothing that makes it.

Would convince you never to drive again than driving in Boston, Massachusetts.

Yes.

So I think I've shared this, story, on this program in the past, but I but we biked from cricket west to a Mud Hens game.

Yep.

Years ago with the kids, there was a whole group of people that did it perfect.

Yeah.

And Sam Melvin had coordinated it as part of, I think, his first, campaign for city council, to just see the city.

Yep.

And that was.

I did not realize.

I mean, it's it's common sense.

You say, like, you know, the the speed that you move in a car, you don't see the road, you don't see the people.

As we were biking, I mean, we had conversations with folks sitting on their front porch as we're riding by their house like it is between the woods in a different way.

It' a more intimate way to travel.

And then you see neighborhoods and, you know, you get to experience them.

And so do you ever drive again?

If you could know.

I mean, I mean, I think cars have a place.

Right.

And but but the place, in my opinion, is not the all powerful dominant, you know, a featur that they are in this society.

But so when I moved back to Toledo, I was already kind of steeped in biking a little bit.

And as I was trying t figure out my way to get around, I kind of got a little bit more into the advocacy and trying to figure out how I myself could get around because, you know, I had lived here but I hadn't really biked here in a while.

And so I want to go through that talk about.

Yeah, why there's a need for bike advocacy and what that means.

Yeah.

Well, so, I mean, so when I moved back and I started riding around, that's what the one thing that I saw was I was having a hard time trying to figure out how to make a connectio between one place and another.

And to me, I'm a very kind of spatial oriented person.

I guess.

And so that's where I was looking for maps, and there weren't any maps that I could find really.

So I started doing some mapping of my own just to put together on the bike infrastructure and that just helped me process how to get from one place to another, because when it comes to it in Toledo, it's very accessible by bike, but it's not necessarily intuitive to everyone to figure out how to do that.

And then it's not necessarily accessible for everyone, which is maybe one of the one of the biggest issues.

But so one of the major issues that we have is, there are highways and railroads that are barriers to what are otherwise lowe stress networks to get places.

And you need to learn ho to get to the best connections.

So for example, I so I live near U and I go downtown all the time.

And going down that way, there's not really a connection across 75 or the railroads, except for two areas that are kind of hidden back there.

One is Post Street, which heads back to the old West End, and the other is Oakwood, which goes to the art museum.

But those aren't things that you necessarily like, see, or know about.

But if you start engaging with the community that is getting around by bike, you know, you might learn about them you might find out about them.

And just as you explore, you kind of see them.

And so I think one thing that's important right now is pushing that.

So that way people can learn how to make connections that they need.

But then also the thing is, as it stands now, like like I said, it's not accessible for everyone.

And to me, like, we can't claim to be a bikeable area until you can ride with your kids and feel comfortable, right?

I take my kids everywhere, but we're conveying them in our cargo bike most of the time.

But you know, my goal is right.

And we always talk about how we bike as kids, right?

Everyone's talking about that.

But now you talk to people, and there's a lot of people who don't want to let their kids go walk outside.

They don't want to let their kids go somewhere.

And like, then there's also in this country, a strong current of independence, right?

We want to be independent, but there's a lot of view of the car independence.

But the car isn't independence for children, right.

And it also the the proliferation of cars and how they're dominatin our culture also makes it harder for kids to be independent, makes it harder for older people to be independent.

I could talk for five shows about the myth of our independence as we're glued to an electronic device.

But, Andrew, what what do you do during what's your day job?

I'm a water resources engineer.

Okay, so I deal with storm water and that sort of stuff, but I work for a company out east, so, I, I don't want to talk about.

Because we could.

You also do a whole show on the barriers between you finding human connection.

Gretchen we don't have enough time on you specifically, so it's programing that.

But, we talked about community building.

And I do want to get to safety, but we do talk about community building, all the time.

Right.

And in not to be a soapbox here, but we talk about connection.

And we perceive connection, from a mythical worl through our electronic devices.

But you're par you're part of organized rides.

You're part of a community around this, talk to me about some of the activities or groups that are formed and also why riding a bike with others seems to be such a connective tissue.

Yeah.

So there are a lot of groups, right, that are riding bikes.

And so I think one is the worst group.

I don't think I, I think I think the thing that that comes up though, right, is everyone rides bikes differently, you know, and people have different things that they're looking for.

Some people are looking to go fast, right?

Some people are looking to just have a good time.

And so finding the, you know, and for me, I'm looking I like, I like to have a good time when I ride my bike, but I'm usually I call mysel a utilitarian bicyclist.

Right?

I'm usually looking to go from one place to another and enjoy it while I'm doing it you know, and have a good time.

But like, that's what I'm mostly focused on.

But like, everyone's kind o looking for a different thing.

And so if you're looking to ride your bike more and find a community, you know, it's kind of finding the community that matches what you're looking for, looking to do, you know?

And so the bike shops, they all kind of have their own different identities, you know, and figuring out which one of those do you do you fit with?

And then there are, you know, the Toledo area bicyclists do a lot of the road rides, right?

So they're into that.

The Miami Valley adventurers do a lot of rides around the area that they kind of have a little bit more relaxe feel in Toledo area bicyclist.

But it depends on what you're looking for.

The B team is a very popular one right now.

That is a very social group.

I've got their shirt on right now.

They're a really fun group, you know, and they're just they're kind of riding around for fun every Tuesday.

And then there's a lo of other groups, you know, like, I think bike rides matte started doing their rides again.

Isn't ther someone doing those glow rides where you can, like, join people at night and decorate your bike with lights?

Yeah.

So.

So bike rides matter.

Does the regular glow road true summer.

But then a lot of the groups do do glow rolls, you know, and a lot of the bike shops will do them because everyone likes lighting up their bikes, you know, outdoor Sylvania or I guess it's the Red Bird Arts District that does the Rolling Lake Rolling in Ford County 48, something like that.

The, yeah.

I, I encourage you to be honest, which is certainly your default.

Are we applicable city.

So I think going back to what I said before, I think we are a bikeable city, but not for everyone.

And I don't think.

And when I say that, I think we have a strong foundation that is really easy to build on, to transition and become a really bikeable city.

And then in that sense, in my opinion, become a profoundly mor marketable city to get people to and bring people to.

So talk to me about about that.

I mean, why does that make us more marketable?

Why is, in your opinion, why is us becoming a more bikeable city important for the city, not just important for bikers?

Right.

And so, so, s looking at what we have right, we are flat, so there's nothing to worry about there.

And then we are also not too big, you know.

So I work for a company out of the area between DC and Baltimore, and I talk to people and I'm like, oh, you know, we'll go from here to there.

And I'm like, oh, that's 17 miles.

You know, just in a in a snap, you know, not that you're getting ther that quickly, but that distance.

But in Toledo we're talking, you know, ten miles and you're pushing the edges, you know, so so distanc wise it's really easy to cover.

And then everything is close.

Yeah, yeah.

So like, yeah, you even if you're in an area out, further out, it' not that hard to get somewhere.

Whereas in another city you might be going just from the middle to anothe part not far out of the middle.

And so, so the distance is good.

And, we also just we have a lo of space in terms of our roads.

And I know that there's a lot of, debate about demand and the use of our roads.

But there is a lot of potential there.

And so then turning that right, like, I think that a lot of people.

Right.

And I think there's a desire for a lot of people to live in communities that are more people centered that have, you know, a focus on community and having things where you can be active and, you know, be around other people.

And, when we're looking at college graduates coming out of school and, and it's not just al about college graduates, right?

Everyone, every what, what everyone wants is important.

But I know we talk a lot about brain drain and those kinds of things and just telling people, yeah, you can come over here and then go live in a suburba area and drive your car in, or live in the cit and drive your car everywhere.

You know, you got to get groceries downtown, right?

Well, you got to get on a get in the car to go get their groceries or get on a bus, you know, to go get those groceries if that works for you.

And so being able to tell people, hey, you can hop on a bike and get anywhere you want, you can go see your friends, you know, a bike is just a way to orien our community around people and, keep things on a good scale, especially for a few years.

When my brother was livin in Miami, he would bike to work, and he worked at Whitmer.

And that is just seems like an insane commute.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

But just this past week was Bike to Work day encourage everybody to bike to their work.

I'm assuming you didn't have too far of a commute that you weren't biking back east.

No, no, I in the Baltimore.

No.

Yeah, yeah.

Some some day.

That's the goal.

Some day.

Right.

The CNO all the way to DC.

Well, yeah, I think so.

I think so i most of the systems I've ridden.

Oh, I'm so I'm not a super I like I said, I'm a utilitarian bicyclist, so I'm, I'm only like a 40 miler is all I is, all I'm doing.

So I'm not I'm not doing a century.

Well that's like my longest, right.

You're right.

Yeah.

But like there's no judgment.

No no no no no no no.

You thought that you should say that's very long and that's not I reckon that's just a recreational.

Right.

That's not like getting somewhere right.

The farthest that I've ridden to get somewhere is, you know, out to the edge of Perrysburg from, you know, from UT, and that's, that's a, you know, a long strip, but I exploring, you know, and, seeing things.

We only have a few minutes left in this bike month, so.

Yeah.

Bike to work sort of highlight, sharing the road with, bicyclists and with, car people driving cars.

What what are some tips?

What should people be looking out for?

And specifically, how are roundabouts affecting the safety of bicyclists.

Yeah.

So so right.

So the law is always three feet pass.

Right.

So you know share the roa give three feet when you pass.

You know, if you ride your bike you'll find that three feet does not feel particularly spacious.

Sure.

And especially with the speed that some cars are going on, obviously speeding is a major issue here.

And also, since we're no necessarily a bike culture yet, drivers are not equally, mindful.

Yeah.

And I mean, to be honest, like, the biggest issue is distracted driving.

And and so mindfulness of bicyclists isn't even necessarily the issue.

Right?

It's just mindfulnes of the fact that you're driving such a large, dangerous, you know, object, and you're in control of it and that you need to be paying attention to everything.

Right.

And so, so that's really the biggest issue, distracted and, inebriated driving, is a really big problem.

And I think that's a very large issue that has a really complex solution.

But flipping it to the things that are a little bit more manageable, I think the one thing that we always kind of come back to is like, you know, we're all people, right?

You know, bicyclists are people, you know, respect and common courtesy, right?

Like, you know, that's what we should have for everyone.

And just because we're in a car doesn't mean you should throw it out the window and, you know, not be aware of people.

But, you know, bicyclists are on the road, right?

And so when you pass them, you know, just think about them as people and pass them, you know, they're just trying to go somewhere, have a good time out while they're writing.

Yeah.

Andrew, people are wanting to you know, I mean, they're they're watching this interview and they're like, you know what?

I want to I want to do that.

Right?

I mean, a 40 mile ride isn't going to be the first thing they do.

Oh, they're not goin to start biking to Perrysburg, but they want to, but they want to get what?

What is what would you recommend, that would help us become a more bikeable community.

What's the first step somebody should take?

Yeah.

I mean, so I think the first step in is just kind of trying to bike places where you're trying to get there.

It's getting to be nice weather.

Obviously it's going to be warm pretty soon, maybe two or for some people, but you know, but, you know, it'll be nice.

And so just trying to find places, find the places that you can bike to, that you can feel comfortable and build that, you know, and you'll probably want to keep going further and further.

Now, if you unfortunately live somewhere that's less accessible, you might not you might kind of sour on it but that's, you know, the reason why we need to advocate to do more, to make it more.

Do you want to close this other way?

Tell us if you if you're new to the area or you just want to be more engaged in the community, can you give us a, quickly, a couple places to be able to connect or how do we find information as to how to find our biking community?

Yeah.

So, if you look up, there's, like I mentioned before, a lot of different groups.

So the B-team, bike club, Miami Valley Adventures, Toledo area bicyclists.

There are a couple other local bike groups.

There's, I can't remember the name of them, but if you're in Sylvania, Point Place, Perrysburg, there are groups that do slow rolls that are really good to join in on.

So so keep an eye out for those in your community.

I run a little project called the Toledo Bike Map.

You can find that on social media, where I try to map all dedicated bike infrastructure and post about updates.

That way people will kno new things that are coming in.

There's another advocate who runs a project called The Commuter Project, which maps, connected routes that are not necessarily on bike infrastructure, but they're all lo stress routes to connect places.

And so those give you a really good idea to how how to bridge gaps and Hohman.

Yes.

Amanda Holden.

Yeah.

And so it's a really great project.

If you're looking to go from one area to another, there's not always continuous bike infrastructure, but she's got it mapped so you can get there.

And then there's a lot of other good stuff going on.

The Lake Erie West, has an active transportation advisory group that meets to discuss things.

And I guess while I'm here, I'm going to sa that I have been getting a lot.

I've been having a lot of discussions about this with a lot of people, and there's a lot of pressure building toward needing to get a community group together to really advocate for these things.

So I think in the next few months, hopefully something gets goin and there's a place for people to get together and wor collaboratively to advocate for not just biking, but walking, getting around, having a more vibrant community that is more accessible and community centric.

So thank you so much.

Thank you.

Zach Koski, thank you so much.

Get out and bike.

And maybe a good place to bike is go get some ice cream.

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And welcome back of the 419 powered by GT e. I mean, I got it here.

It might be Bike Month, but more importantly, it might be ice cream month, right?

The other reason I agreed to do this show.

Right on the ice cream join now.

Welcome back to the program Manhattan Brain.

And we also have J for Mister G's barn.

Thank you for having me.

Thank you so much for being here.

And I was going to say thanks for bringing this treats, but Gretchen has already might have gone.

Yeah, ice cream for breakfast is always a win.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

There's milk in there.

Is that something you recommend?

Absolutely.

Okay.

Sure.

That was growing up.

So we talked about ice cream.

Like my my grandparent would take us out for ice cream, and it was always a special thing.

Yeah, but I remember, we'd spen the night at my grandpa's house, and for breakfast, he would say, all right, when your parents ask, tell the you had toast, fruit and milk.

But what we actually had was cherry pie with a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

That was our breakfast.

It's.

Yeah.

It's healthy.

Yeah, I think that's great.

Sounds like a great grandma.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

All right, so talk to me.

Manhattan is the ice cream passport.

I don't know.

It was when you were on or Maddie was on.

The idea of the ice cream passport was introduced, and this just to me, sounds lik the greatest thing of all time.

Because I love ice cream.

I have an excuse to eat more ice cream.

Yeah.

What is the ice cream passport.

It is, like the greatest thing of all time.

So the ice cream passport.

For those of you who are listening, you obviously.

But if you're watching, you can.

It's a little booklet and it's just like you get access to 17 different restaurants and you get a free scoop at all of them.

And all of these are local ice cream places.

And so you're supportin local businesses, you're getting to explore in the community.

And it is just such a win.

It's running from June 1st to August 31st.

So it's a full summer adventure, which is awesome.

And just to back up even more in case people didn't see you on the first the first time you were here.

Manhattan.

You work for explorer for one ninth, which is a social media page that is run by your supported by the blade.

So people can get this ice cream passport at either the blade.com or at explorer for one name.

Yes.

Yeah.

So if you follow us on Facebook for nine, we'll be talking about how you can get it or you can get it on the blade.com/ice cream.

Is there a limit to how many passports I can.

There is not a limit okay.

But yeah so ge get as many as you want for sure and say I'm trying to pull th camera away from this glutton.

Okay.

Yeah.

You know who's leaving it right now?

Bathed in ice cream.

J other than fulfilling a childhood dream of, being around ice cream al the time to talk to me about Mr.

G's and your journey into what I would describe as culinary delight.

And your location?

Yeah, we're located at Helen McCord 6756.

Right on the corner.

Helen McCord.

Can't miss it.

Yeah, I know it's been an amazing journey.

Honestly, it's, I didn't always kno that I was going to be ice cream man forever.

I jus I started when I was 16 at Mr.

G's, for Mr.

G. For Mr.

G. So to answer your questio for him before we started was.

Yeah, Mr.

G was a real person.

Sometimes you sometimes you would think, which stands for grumpy, but he actually was a really great guy.

It just you had to stick around long enough to, to see it.

You know, he's just a little a little brash.

You feel the same way about Matt.

That's.

Yeah, that's my reputation.

But yeah, I just I always had two jobs.

I just always kept that one.

It's fun.

It's lighthearted.

There's, you know, it feels like not quite like a restaurant when you're inside because we have a lot of windows.

So it's like, you know, a little not quite the same as being outside.

So I just always enjoy the job.

People are happy to get ice cream.

I think it's a simple pleasure in life.

Absolutely.

You know, and ice cream people are very loyal.

So yeah, you know, you in here, you bring your kids here.

You know, we're diehard people.

And so you eventually took over the business.

Yeah I worked there for seven years.

I was going to colleg for business.

I had opportunity.

Mr.

G was griping one year, so I said, I'll do it.

Dropped out of college, took my dad to lunch and dropped out of college.

Just started managing Mr.

G's, and then, did that for six years.

And then my dad and I, h retired, and we went, partners.

And we bought it in 2011.

Yeah.

So, you know, my dad ran.

So it was a cool, cool experience.

You just opened for the season.

Yeah.

March.

March 1st to October 30th.

Okay.

So what you doing?

Adjusted it over the years, but I try to stick to a normal cause.

It can be nice in October.

Yeah.

Ice cream that late?

What do you what do you do in your off months?

I always tell everyone whenever I want.

Yeah, yeah, it's nice, you know, but there is a lot of work to do after the to open, so it doesn't quite seem as long as, you know, four months.

Right.

But I do.

I'm ready to be off.

But then I also miss it.

Right It's a weird is a weird.

Sure.

You know, it's like, what' your favorite thing to get at?

Your, at your own place?

I always like building the Sunday.

You know?

I really, really, really love our vanilla.

I think, you know, it' something that we're famous for and just the the quality of our ice cream.

Tell us about the things that you brought with us.

I have a, espresso, yogurt, with heath and caramel.

I tell you, Gretchen, when I made that, I was thinking, if I have ice cream for breakfast that one was going to be mine, so that would be something I would do.

I kind of switched the toppings.

You're right.

But yeah, you can.

You can wear yours as an exfoliant.

I have, you know, let me be clear what you are not going to judge me for my ice cream or where I wear.

No, I don't let the people do that.

Yeah, I figured I'd bring a Buckeye since, you know, we're Ohio proud, right?

And the flavor of the week.

That's what that is, Gretchen.

We change it, we rotate it.

Sometimes it's ice cream, sometimes it's yogurt, gelato, custard.

That's, you know, all different kinds of sorbet products, like any other market, right?

You try to stay hip to trends and things of that right now.

How do you explore or the comparatively shop?

Do young kids keep me up?

Yeah.

All right.

Talk to me about that until the try to cringe me or something.

Yeah.

That's true They tell you in your current.

Yeah.

Where do you get ideas from for, for the next flavor or how do you do experimental?

Oh, we take some customer suggestions.

You know we're pretty active on Facebook.

We have a good following on Facebook.

I've been pushing, you know, the TikTok, and I try to keep up wit all the social media, you know, so we take customer suggestions also, you know, personal.

I think this would be good you know, and try to alternate between, like, savory flavors and fruitier flavors, you know, also, at the risk of asking you a personal question, and I don't know of what hip hop means, but have you had gastric bypass surgery?

I would weigh 5,000 pounds.

Honestly, that's what everyone's always telling me is that way too.

You get all the way to get all your metabolism going to slow down.

But I'm so busy.

Obviously I yeah, I always tell everyone I'm sweet enough, I eat it, but in, you know, a little bit at a time, why don't you want to participate in the part?

I think it's an amazing idea.

You know, the community.

I love the community.

And ice cream community and Toledo community.

I think it's a way to give back.

It's obviously good, you know to get more customers in that.

I've never tried it.

Sure.

Yeah.

It's a really cool idea, too.

We love traveling, so I like the passport.

That's cool.

So, Manhattan.

So Mr.

G's obviously is a part of the passport, but who else are some of the spots that that make up the ice cream passport?

What's your favorite?

No, I can't say my favorite.

No, no, no, I haven't been to Mr.

G's yet, s that could be my new favorite.

I haven't been to you though.

I know, right, I do.

This is actually.

It's so good.

Yeah.

So Charlie's is participating.

The village scoop at Holland.

Swanky scoops.

We have Ben and Jerry's and cold Stone, and just a bunch of other places across the area.

So it's not specific to Toledo, which I really love.

Like, I went to Eddie's ice cream in Oregon.

Passport.

Nice.

Yeah, that was delicious.

There.

A cute little spot.

I had never been there before I didn't even know it was there.

So that's what I really love.

And we have 17, so I can't even begin to list all I could do that.

What's the goal of the passport for?

For the later explore for and nine?

Why is it important to highlight something like this?

Yeah.

Why don't you care about childhood obesity?

Well, first of all, I think like, foodie events just always do.

Well, people love food.

No, nobody doesn't like fun.

You know, everyone's excited about it.

So that's really fun to get something that the community is excited about.

And then also at the Blade and Expo for tonight, we want to focus on local communities, local business owners, and really help people to buy local.

And part of that starts with getting people in the door, because they're not going to go somewher that you've never been before.

You're not sure how it is, but if you can try a little bit first, you're a lot more likely to go back and say, oh, I liked that last time.

Let me go again.

Okay.

I'm curious the relationship between the different ice cream shops, right?

Like I've got a bunch of friends that own small breweries, and the brewery community is this tight knit group that everybody supports each other.

And it's, you know, not necessarily trading recipes, but helping each other, perfecting their recipes.

What does that exist at all?

Or is there some like cutthroat underground?

But I think jokingly I think there are some, you know, like, oh, you know, people say, you know, that's not a where, you know, there'll be lik your competitor down the street.

And I say, oh, there's ice cream store down there.

And I know there was one down there.

Where are you talking about?

But no.

Yeah, we definitely like, if, you know, I need something or they need something you can trade you know, or like, let me borrow this and, you know, for supplies and whatnot.

So yeah, I think the community is really good with that in general in our area, it's not the best in you're righ Manhattan people, we love food.

Yeah.

And you know, in Ohio and Toledo specifically.

Yeah.

I mean ice cream is awesome.

I'm speaking of that Manhattan.

Jay's immersed in it, so he probably has trouble picking a favorite flavor.

But what is your go to?

I love anything fruity.

And like any lemon bar, lemon meringue, like lemon, is just my go to for any dessert.

But for ice cream especially, I love a lemon, but I'm loving this vanilla.

I also I appreciate a good vanilla and this is a good vanilla.

We do a flavor of the week lemon and it's one of the most popular ones.

Sure.

Besides peanut butter chocolate right.

Yeah.

Are you a French vanilla or a vanilla bean person?

I don't think I have a preference either.

That's containing the obvious preference.

Yeah.

Obvious answer is Vanilla Bean.

That's right.

Gretchen, which big ice cream?

Mint chocolate chip.

Well, all of it.

I, I would eat this out of a urinal.

So why aren't you eating it right?

Yeah.

No, because I don't look like I'm not.

Yeah.

All right, talk to me about the end of the summer.

The lines are long, but it's clear that you also like being around the people portion of it.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah, you get to people after baseball.

Customers are great, and people are so loyal.

Like, I see them, like, I don't know people for 20 years on their ice cream order.

And I'm like, yeah, what?

What is your name?

Like?

I, you know, like I, we've literally known each other for so long.

But yeah, our lines moved pretty fast.

We got a pretty good system, like a machine.

So, you know, we've made upgrades when we bought it, we bought POS system and, drive through speaker headset to try to, you know, automate, automate it and get it mov into some nice area, around Mr.

G's, right?

I mean, there's picnic tables.

It's.

Oh, yeah, it's a nice.

Yeah, we have, we have a large yard.

You know, we have picnic tables and benches.

We try to make it look like a park.

Yeah, sure.

You know, less.

Less time.

Where can people find the ice cream passport?

The blade.com/ice cream.

Awesome.

Manhattan J thank you so much.

Thank you for the ice cream.

Absolutely.

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When we come back, we'll be talking with Valerie Lambert from Optical Arts.

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I'm just glad.

Valerie Lamber from Optical Arts joins us now.

Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for having me.

I'm super excited.

You are too.

So what is optical arts?

So we are a glasses boutique.

I mean, we do everything from eye exams all the way to glasses, contacts, you name it.

And you're located on Central Avenue.

Central.

And what's that?

Cross street there?

Drummond central.

And there's something abou optical arts that is accessible.

And I don't know what it is, not just because that is a neighborhoo I care about, but it seems like, that it is a very welcoming space.

That doesn't happen by accident.

Can you talk to me a little bit about that conceptually, how do you make it a place which is so important?

Because people need to see.

I know it seems like an obvious statement, but not having access to proper vision.

I mean, you are really.

And that's an everyday battle.

So how do you make a place welcoming and accessible to people like you have?

Yeah.

So we actually, we do complementary, fittings, adjustments.

Your screw fell out.

We'll fix that for you.

I think that's something that a lot of people, they think their glasse are broken and they're like, oh, I just got to go get a new pair.

And it's like, let's let those optical dollars stretch.

Yeah.

Let's stretch.

So let's figure out what we can do best for you.

And we do that by is I mean our customer service is beyond, it is I mean, I'm, I'm biased about it, but I'm for sure.

But I think that we do an amazing job of making sure that everyone feels welcome.

Everyone is fitted differently.

People have, like, the bone in the back of your head.

Sometimes that sticks out more.

So you have to make sure tha you're properly adjusting that.

Otherwise all you're doing is just providing pressure to your head, which is causing headaches, migraines, different things like that.

So we go above and beyond.

I think what normal, opticians do.

And we really make sure that you're comfortable and feel goo when our producer is face is one of the most asymmetrical faces.

So I will talk to you about how you can help him.

Just look like a normal.

I'm just going to skip.

Right?

Yes.

Let's get past that.

You're a bit for your benefit.

Tell me about your journey to optical arts.

Yeah.

So I actually started believe it or not, 17 years ago.

Oh my gosh.

I am in my 30s.

People don't believe that, but I am.

So I actually started when I was in high school.

I started as a receptionist.

Absolutely loved, it was so fun just watching everyone.

Yeah, not only like the kids see, but like, the styling aspect of it, too.

Like, we always talk about style, and it's eyewear that gets you notice.

And so it was just so fun and exciting and like, it was so cool to see all of the people leave with their beautiful eyewear.

So I went to college, UT and go rocke and I got my marketing degree.

I actually have, bachelor's in, marketing with a focus in PR.

I actually, started working at som marketing agencies here, started there was still working at optical arts on Thursday nights and on Saturdays, but I didn't have I mean, marketing is great.

Like it's a wonderful background to have.

And I. Yeah.

But there's just something about optical art that just kept pulling me back.

So.

And so I can't remember her name.

Mrs.

nitrate, I'll say, was longtime owner.

And then you acquired the business from her.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

So her dad, lesser Deven Thaler, started the business in 1962.

And, so we have been around for a long, long time.

So it's great when people come in and they're like, oh, Lester fitted me for my first year contact.

So I'm just like it just melts your heart.

Sure.

We we just had some, the prior guests talked about the ice cream passport and these all of these locally owned, regional ice cream places.

Yeah.

You have optical arts there on central.

Less than a mile away.

You have you can serve ice cream.

No they don't I wouldn't in terms of them in terms of the locally owned, I want to get to the to a point about why it's important to utilize a locally owned, location.

People can g to Costco a mile away from you, and there's a there's a lab in there.

And, you know, why is it important?

Why are you still invested in a business, here in the city of Toledo?

And why is it important to have local owners?

Absolutely.

So one, we've been here since 1962.

The community has supported us since then, and they continue to support us.

So having that aspect of things, I think is super important that they're just there to support us.

But the thing is, between us and other places is, we are all licensed staff.

If there's a doctor on staff, you do not have to have licensed staff.

Michigan is also not a licensed state.

So I think tha that's important to understand.

So we have gone through extensive training.

We have three hours we have to do at the end of the year.

So we have more extensive training to be able to provide accurate measurements.

So you're not going to have glasses.

Incorrect.

The fitting is going to be correct.

We see people come in and the glasses are too small or they're too big and they're like, why are my lenses so thick?

And it's like, well, they put you in this frame that's bigger than your head.

Yeah.

So of course the lenses are going to be thicker.

So we have the expertise and we're also about education.

So when a customer comes i and actually we have customers that will come in that get their glasses elsewhere, but they know that we're the best to adjust them.

So they'll come in and we adjust their glasses every time.

So I mean, it's a it's a visual piece, right?

It's a part of your, your outfit and your style.

But there's also a medica like there's an actual medical need here.

Right So talk to me about eye health.

You know, I just turned 45.

I feel like, you know, you said before we started, you're holding the laptop, the beer.

I think everything is getting closer and closer to my face.

When when do we.

When should we get our eyes checked?

How often should we get our eyes checked?

What are the the red flags to go?

All right, we got a problem.

Yeah.

So we always say, check yearly to see clearly.

So every year you should really be getting an eye exam because it's, it's more than just.

Oh, I need a pair of glasses.

It's.

The doctor's checking the health of your eyes, too.

That's what that dilation is.

So they're checking.

The pressure's making sure is there.

Glaucoma going on?

Is there macular degeneration that's starting.

Especially anything that is genetic.

I mean, people don't realize that diabetics should be getting eye exams more often because their, their pressures go up and down in your eyes all the time.

My husband is a diabetic, and he complains all the time about his glasses are off and he can't see.

So do you tell him to stop saying that because of the pressure you have on your day job?

Yes.

Yes, yes.

I want to tell him when he needs his glasses adjusted.

Yeah.

Touch me for the eye.

Speaking of eye health, my mother actually, was diagnosed with.

By having a stroke by her optician.

She went to the doctor and she couldn't.

She didn't have any peripheral vision.

And so they called, like, the ambulance from there and took her to the hospital.

And she was able to get treated because she had had her eye exam.

Yeah.

Your eyes tell so many stories about you and who you are, and people don't realize that.

Yeah, sure.

The it's always been amazin to me that the driving eye test is clearly, the bare minimum, because my, my story was I mean, it's the BMV.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

They're not licensed professional.

They are not.

They often give away the answer is to actually get it right.

I do, you see, d do you see a d?

Yeah, I watch them, have my great aunt take it over and over and over again until she passed her.

And it was like.

And then she took it 26 times to get the letter right.

And she drove me from there, and I was just like.

But they rely on it.

There's like, say, well, they gave me my license.

Yeah, yeah.

That's right.

Yeah.

How do you stay?

You know, there's, you know, fashion and trends and things of that variet not to diminish the important, components of what my colleagues, we're talking about and th importance of an annual check.

Not just for, I mean, for all manners o safety, but we know you've got.

I mean, you're clearly like glasses.

So, when you're out in public, you see people like, oh, I like those frames.

Or where do you look to get the next?

And where does a person who owns a eyeglass, store, shop to buy glasses for their their shop.

Yeah.

So we work with all independent designers.

Okay.

So we're not going to be.

I mean, sadly, we won't have, like, the Ray-Bans or anything like that, because those are owned by equity companies.

So we really not only are we a local company, but we're also supporting those independent designers.

So you're going to see stuff that's being imported from Italy.

We've got another lens.

These are from actually these are from Italy.

So we have those eyewear designers, but there's also, shows that go on.

Okay.

So we there is conferences just like every other thing.

Yeah.

So there's a vision expo that happens once a year.

Where's that held.

So it actually moves around.

So this year it was in Florida.

Orlando.

Next year it'll be in Vegas.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it used to only be in New York, but they've kind of moved it around since then.

But there's also local organizations, or statewide organizations.

So I actually am the secretary treasurer for the Ohio Opticians Association as well.

So I sit on that board, that serves that.

So we not only help with like legislation, but making sure that people understan how they need to be licensees.

I'm also a licensed, and a speaker, so I can actually speak at these different events and people can get the credits from, oh, this is amazing.

When you were a little Val, I mean, this is this is consumed, and I mean, this is really positively this is consumed a large portion of your life.

Absolutely.

So you're clearly passionate and have to be continuall be fascinated about this.

Yes.

What?

I don't think that you stated this entirely.

What?

Why is this matter so much to you?

This is a really significant, part.

You could own the store t make money and then to travel, but you've taken multiple extra steps in this space where how do you get to hook in you in this way?

So I think it was Mary Nitro.

So the previous owner, she and I, she is an amazing, fascinating woman.

Yeah.

And just seeing her passion, sh was second generation as well.

Yes.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Seeing her passion that she put into the store.

It wasn't just.

Oh, I'm here to make money, right?

Like this was about making people see better, about making people look better.

Going above and beyond what you would see anywhere else and just seeing her passion.

That's right.

It just it's fire and it's just inspiring.

At the risk of pushing you to a HIPAA violation.

Yeah.

Talk to me about a story that kind of sticks with you.

That maybe was one of your early moments of realizing how life changing this work can be.

So there was actually a gentleman who came in, he was walking to go get, he was actually walking to a job interview, and he broke his glasses along the way, something.

I don't know what happened, but he stopped i because he was passing our shop and he walked in.

He said, I' on my way to my job interview.

I don't, my glasses are broken.

Like, I don't know what to do.

He had a very thick prescription.

So I actually took th lenses because they were broken.

Broken?

There was no saving them, but the lenses were still in good shape.

So I took the lenses ou and we found a frame that fit, put those lenses in there for him.

He went on his way to the job interview and he goes, well, how can I pay you?

And I said, I want you to pay me by going to get that job.

And he came back and he got the job.

That's the me that's a great story.

That's close with amazing.

Yeah.

If people want more information on optical arts, where can they find it?

And how big is the font on your website?

You can zoom in.

Yeah.

Movie computer close.

I, so yo can go to Optical Arts inc.com.

We've got different events, specials, all kinds of stuff on there.

So thank you so much for coming in.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

I was in high school I wanted glasses so bad.

Yeah.

That I actually intentionally failed.

I was going to say that you failed.

I, but I did not, as you guys would expect.

I did not fail it intelligently.

Yeah.

And so, like, they could tell they.

Oh, yeah.

The doctor, said, so either you don't know the alphabet or you're a sociopath or you're fully blind.

Yeah.

There's no way that you see that, you know, a Q and you said, where are you, sir?

Yeah.

I was like, I think that's an X. It was like, no, it's not.

No, it's not.

Thank you so much for joining me.

Thank you.

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So, I mean, a jam packed show.

Andrew Kowski such a nice guy.

Just, you know I think the idea of being more connected to your community and what what what biking can do.

It's just so, darlin that he was trying to find maps to get around connectivity, and he couldn't find it.

So he's like, you know what?

I'm going to do it.

This is he puts it out for other people to use.

So finding the Toledo bik map is just it's just amazing.

I think that's diplomatic.

You know, we are not a bike friendly community.

And as somebody who is responsible and should be held accountable that for my day job.

We do need to do better.

I know we have a list of things that are priorities in our region, and this might seem like a nice to have as opposed to you must have.

But we do have a crumbling infrastructure here.

So as we're having to redo it you might as well do it right.

Was there one point I think there was conversation around like obviously you've got bike paths at all of the metro parks.

There is a park within five miles of every Lucas County resident.

Yes.

Is there plans to connect those to each other?

Yes.

Our long term strategic plan, and stage is to hav all of the parks be connected.

So.

And we're on our way right to doing that.

There are some challenges, as you would think.

And some of that is just sort of the, the segmented, way that we have cut up land use.

That's not a criticism or soapbox thing.

Right.

So what we do want people, people to be able to ride from the farthest point of our county that we represent, which would be Providence.

All the way out in an ideal state to Howard Marsh, which is all the way out in the township.

So, and be able to get al manners of way in between.

So, and then, of course, Manhattan Crane and Jay from Mr.

G's.

That ice cream is so good.

It is really good.

And the idea of an ice cream passport, I mean, these this is what I love about the show is like, there's so many things that are just quintessential Toledo.

Right?

So a guy like Andrew that see a problem says, you know what?

I'm going to be the solution and I'm going to share it with other people.

And then you've got a, you know, this ide of a tour of small businesses.

Yeah.

And just a great sort of supporter of that, of that, of that business and small business in general.

But don't discount the fact that, Jay bought Mr.

G's from Mr.

G. And now he and his dad run it.

And Valerie.

But the business from Miss Nitrate who took it over from her dad.

Yeah.

So, obviously not necessarily bloodline, but, you know, you work long enough for somebody and becomes your chosen family.

And that is one of the many things as I keep beating this to death.

But people talk about.

Why would you even want to live here?

Well, I hope after 99 shows people realizing if there's 99 shows worth of reasons to live here.

There's a lot of different reasons and a lot of great guests.

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