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Gretchen DeBacker.

I'm Kevin Mullen.

Hello.

Hello.

Look, I wish you would.

You've opened up correctly, and all the region could hear how terribly you guys treat me before we start recording.

What are you talking about?

These sweet faces looking right into your life.

These are all so fake.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I am happy to see you.

Yeah.

Okay, I am now.

Yeah.

Now that the cameras rolling.

Well, let me lean into, what I want to.

I've been as ungrateful people are known to be.

Which, of course, I certainly am one of those.

I've been returning all the gifts.

Over the Christmas season for the last.

I know that's a 60 days.

Right.

Or so.

And as I've been dropping these things off, I have been thinking back of, like, the former retail establishments that were a part of my life as a youth.

You know, I grew up in sort of West Central, I guess, is where our clients lead us.

Or in the West Gate area.

So cricket West and my skating part of my life.

Those two spaces.

Well, cricket matches are life and time, but whiskey has changed totally.

So much.

Yes.

So when I was Costco, wasn't there when you were a kid?

At my high, we we dreamed.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

Having a junk box.

Do it there.

As every little kid you know deserves and wants to have.

But there were, I guess I want to ask you if there's a place that's in your memory of it being in the, Jennifer, which is what I call you off here.

There was a dinner theater at the Whiskey Dinner theater and had these giant theater masks on the facade.

Yeah, the happy and sad theater mask.

Yeah, yeah, it was it was strange.

Then when I was a kid.

You understand what those masks were?

I had no idea what's going in that space.

I was like, what?

It.

But that was it was a wildly different space.

We got we got that was our present.

One of our presents one year was that we got tickets to the Westgate Dinner Theater, and it was to see Sound of Music.

All right.

And we it was like it was very timey.

Okay.

In there.

They're very up close.

Yeah.

The performers are very up close on the stage.

And we were just enamored.

Mesmerized.

Yes.

And they take they're serving you dinner.

We like dressed up.

I mean, we're like in for three.

Yes.

Yeah.

You eat dinner.

Yeah.

And then what?

And then there's a performance.

All right.

See, I thought that they were eating dinner and you came in.

No, no, no.

To do the performance.

Yeah.

You.

You bring your own theater.

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

It was two really.

Two separate shows.

The theater arcade, right?

Yes.

Christie's candies was back there.

Yeah, for Rebels at Friendly's.

You got to get that Friendly's, that location.

What?

No matter what is was was it the last corner?

Yeah.

The caboose.

And no matter what time of day you walked into Friendly's, every table was dirty.

It looked like everyone had left it.

Exactly.

That divider thing.

If you had, like, a bunch of friends with you, they'd pull that divider thing out of the middle and then you would have, like both food for potentially smoke cigarets.

That's right.

I, I when I this was not when I was a kid, but when I the first time I worked at Saint John's.

Okay.

They would every year as a gift to the employees by gift cards.

At very times it was to one of two places, one of them.

And this is partly because it was a great organization that agreed whatever you spend, they'll double.

And it was the Andersons, okay.

They would give us gift cards to the Anderson.

That's nice.

Yeah, it was great.

The other one was to Kuchar, the restaurant cooker on Airport Highway.

It was Applebee's essentially by a different name it with with the fancier.

No, no no no no I know, but it was real.

Oh it's where all the students went for homecoming.

Everything else.

But they it was like on the tail end where everybody knew it was like on its way out.

Yeah.

So we're getting these.

Yeah.

It's funny.

Back there to Friendly's, I was always looking, which was, aren't real right.

Oh my goodness hooker.

That is a good the cookie cooker.

Ralphie's empire.

My words right.

They're all similar.

Yeah, there's a lot of the same restaurants.

We're just a slightly different now.

Some have pieces of flair and some don't.

Okay, well, there we go.

All right.

Speaking of flair, Gretchen, speaking of flair, very nice.

Your guest today?

Yes.

You don't even know who the guest is.

So to know that flair is the absolute appropriate word is at risk.

Children.

No.

My God, please.

Me, Ric Flair.

No, I don't know Ric Flair.

But again, when we come back, we're going to talk about someone that's in the retail space and has a very, a very interesting flair here and say, Plato.

Also interesting.

All right.

More of that to come here on the 418.

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All right.

One of the signatures of of our program from day one was this mystery guest.

Where, right now, it's your guest.

Matt.

And I have no idea who you're about to bring on.

So why don't you drop some hints and let's see if, Okay.

We'll see if we can go.

All right.

Well, we did the first hint, sort of an on the on the flair concept, and that is that this person's a man.

Okay.

This person, is a very fashionable person.

You're going to identify this person in any event, you go to as, like the guy.

Okay.

No offense to you to say, actually, I do mean personal offense to both of you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

What's an event he's responsible for in 2020 this year?

Earlier this year, for the metamorphosis event that took place at the at the ribbon, the Metroparks, you know, it's not 2020 right.

It's 2025.

Didn't I say that it's also not that we we we flipped the calendar 2026.

You got there.

It's in 2025 I apologize okay.

This is this event.

Okay.

He is the founder of the Revelator.

Fashion.

All right, all right, Mike, let's bring him out.

Well, Mike.

Pardon me for not saying good to see you about something.

And you.

I don't know if you've ever met Kevin before.

I'm not very nice to me.

Nice to see you.

Thank you for coming.

So we always play this game like, you know, we come out and it's like, oh, do you know this person?

And I like, it's a little small enough that I almost don't want to say no.

Never.

Right.

But he knows he's not that cool.

So yeah I don't I don't believe we've met, but I feel comfortable saying like, I don't think we've met, but it's always a hesitation to say like, no, we haven't met because then you're like, yeah, we have.

We're best friends.

We have many rocks.

I'm your dad I guess.

Yeah, yeah.

Michael, welcome.

Thank you for having me.

Well, we obviously know each other.

Of course.

Yeah.

I wanted to let you know that, a little behind the scenes action here.

I set the height of your chair before you got here.

Purposely lower than me.

Oh, yeah.

It's just, Yeah.

It's great.

It's.

It's okay.

Yeah, it's more than okay.

I feel tall.

This.

So, Micah, thanks for being here.

We usually like to start talking, with our guests, sort of of their origin story, if you will.

So can you tell us a little bit about young Micah where you grew up?

Family in that kind of thing.

Young.

Where your parents were when you were conceived?

No.

No, no, I just kind of disappeared.

Yeah.

I, is I'm a total native, born.

Born and raised.

I grew up on the old west end of a parkway in Detroit area.

That I moved over to, over by Saint Mark's.

It's like more of a park side.

Yeah, sure.

Over there for a little while.

Once it crosses elementary.

Kind of bounced around, like, a little bit, you know, cross elementary went to Ferndale.

Yeah.

I'm about your troubles anymore, but it's what the racers now, the blue racers.

Racers, racers also burn Dale to Bowser.

You were following the least attractive, architecturally public school buildings.

Ferndale was the ugliest building in the history of buildings.

The orange roof, they were orange roof into the ground.

I felt like, yeah, it was like a maze that's going through there.

Yeah.

You know, was it was some kind of shelter.

Yeah.

I couldn't figure out where I was going every day.

That's not on you.

That was just the weirdest space I've ever been in in my life.

You know, just saying something.

Yeah, I. Well, until this morning.

Yeah, yeah.

She's, But then went to Bowser, try college for a little bit.

All right.

But then I then after that, found my passion, my passion in fashion, you know?

So that's when I started my retail, career.

And how did you find it?

What what what was it that you started thinking?

This is what I'm either good at, I'm interested in, or I want to do.

How'd that happen?

Well, first I need a job.

Okay, sure.

You know, that was the first thing, but then, you know, it was, even even when I was growing up, I didn't quite dress like everyone else.

You know, I was a guy wearing, like, a polos and a khakis, and everyone else was kind of wearing their coochie and Fubu and, you know, stuff like that.

I loved it, but even when I tried it, it just sitting, you know, it didn't feel like me.

Wear your folks clothes.

Horses as well, or did they have a nod to fashion?

Was my dad.

Oh, man.

All right.

But yeah, so so so my father was like, you know, my inspiration when it came to fashion.

Yeah.

You know, I used to watch my dad in the morning like he is a marketing company.

Okay.

So he's actually from Toledo.

Yeah, they both passed away, but, thank you.

Mom.

When my father had his.

We like to have people come on and say really?

That sad things.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Bring out the tissue.

Yeah.

Well, back to you.

Yeah.

Know he had his own marketing company.

And so every morning I would watch my dad, like, get dressed in the morning.

Do you have a signature look when you think of him, what is he wearing?

A suit?

Yeah.

A tie or tie bar.

Cufflinks.

Okay.

All right.

That's.

Yeah, I love it.

Yeah, that was that.

That was my father.

And so every morning I watch him take pride.

Yeah.

And how he put his, you know, how he prepared for his day.

Sure.

You know, every single day.

Certainly give an understanding to, now, the word brand is ubiquitous, right.

But we didn't think of it at that time.

But that was your dad's brand.

That was his understanding for.

Yes.

So having things polish and sort of diet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is it does that transition oddly or interestingly was your room always immaculately kept?

Are details part of your everyday life?

Is your car well maintained?

When it comes to my clothing, yes.

Okay.

Because even with my mom, you know, she would do our laundry.

Yeah.

And she would earn our clothes.

So she would wash and dry them, and then she iron them and then hang them up.

Okay.

So they were always prepared.

So even until this day, like, I don't pull a t shirt out of a drawer and just throw it on on all my t shirts, right, right.

Everything.

So I love you, as you know, but that is the least relatable thing you've ever done.

Yeah, yeah.

No, they they're just really about, parents, you know, you know, you know, presenting yourself.

Well, so do you have any of your dad's tie clips or cufflinks?

I do not.

I have a couple of his shirts, though.

Kicking while his dad loves it.

Yeah.

No, no, no, I have a couple of his, his his shirts.

My dad, about 25, 30 years ago, he moved to West Africa.

Okay.

So I actually had one of his, like, dashikis that he wore.

Come on.

Nice.

Yeah, I still have it.

That's incredible.

What was that transition like for the whole family?

It was tough.

Yeah, but yeah.

Rather tissues now.

Yeah.

It was, it was tough because, you know, because after he left the States, I didn't I didn't see him until actually, I haven't seen my that since he left the States.

Yeah, sure.

We communicated regularly in person.

I didn't see him.

Where in West Africa?

Conakry.

Okay.

Susan in Guinea.

Conakry.

Okay.

That's right off the coast there.

Okay.

But.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How old were you when you went?

But I left, well, after passed, moved.

Moved when he moved, 15.

Okay.

Yeah.

15.

Yeah.

That's a lot going on.

His 15 year old.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But we stayed in communication, though.

He was a marketing guy then in two separate countries.

So he first so he had a he had a his office here in Toledo ultimately though.

And he, he opened a second office down in south Tulsa, Michigan.

Okay.

And then he opened another office in Las Vegas, also one in Toledo.

I mean, I think he was going back and forth between Southfield and Vegas, South Philly.

And he had Las Vegas.

Yeah, in Vegas too.

But but he was in Johannesburg.

Okay.

First before he moved to Conakry okay.

Guinea.

So he was that's incredible.

That's amazing.

I mean that entrepreneurship, right.

Obviously.

Obviously rubbed off on you to say I got it on.

I can do my own thing.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, for I never knew my father to work for anyone.

Yeah, sure.

From birth he had his own company, so.

Yeah.

That's incredible.

So what was the first job?

My first job?

Yeah.

Marco's pizza.

Yeah.

So, one of my dad's first clients was Marco's Pizza.

Okay.

You know, so, Piaggio Marco, was able to, give me in, so I had my first.

I work in America.

How much?

Marco's pizza do you consume now or zero?

Okay.

Yeah, sure.

Because at the time, it was a lot.

Yeah, yeah.

No, no it was.

You've had your fill for for a lot of reasons.

It's tough to eat at the place that you used to work.

Yes, yes.

I mean, there's an aspect of like once, you know.

Yeah.

How the, how the sauce is made, it's I, I don't know that I want to.

Yeah, I worked in pet Supplies plus and I can still use that to them.

Still awkward around dogs.

That's the one exception right.

Yeah.

But it's okay.

We're not talking about eating at a restaurant that it's got this like a massive, diverse menu that you can change, right?

Yeah.

Every day your lunch at work, what is different is one of is one of three things that involve the same ingredient.

It was either pepperoni or supreme.

Yeah.

Like that was the you know that.

Sure.

A diverse range either one.

And I know you're just looking for premium there to be for as no one eats green peppers on pizza as a former as a former pizza, you know, employee.

I have to ask you.

I'm not.

You are.

Pineapple.

Does it belong on pizza or not?

I'm going to say yes.

Thank you.

I see, because he's he's fashionable.

Yeah.

That's he's you know, he understands how things work.

Yeah.

I don't mind going off the grid a little bit.

So I feel like panel based on FCC regulations, I'm not allowed to say, but I'm thinking about what you just said.

I can already see.

All right, I can see that.

But you're feeling it.

I'll.

I'll text you.

Yeah, but it rhymes.

But it rhymes with pepperoni.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, so at the time you're starting this this your your your for money job, is this at the same time you're starting your vision for your for your company.

And what is it?

Okay, I know this the the vision for that.

So I'll take you a little bit through my career path a little bit.

So I was with, you know, Marco's Pizza.

And then I moved over to, Champs Sports at South Mall.

All right.

You know, South Mall was the place to be.

That was my one of my first real, like a pseudo one of my first real jobs was selling mall.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, right.

It was.

It was like our old stomping grounds, man.

It was, So Champs Sports, one from Champs Sports to.

I got promoted to Kids Foot Locker.

All right.

And then I became like, the sneaker head.

Yeah.

You know, that was like, where my love for sneakers.

Yeah.

Remind me how old you are.

I'll be 46 in a couple weeks.

Okay.

We're the same age.

Yeah.

No.

We're we're lucky because I thought you were much younger than Matt.

He looks terrible.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The sneaker era, right?

That is still a part of my life, too.

Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

So from from, Kid's Foot Locker to Lady Foot Locker, it's like, just keep getting promoted.

Sure.

And so we're all in the same umbrella.

So they just kept on moving me through.

When you went to Lady Foot Locker, did you look down on the people that worked in kids for the locker?

Know what you're going.

Yeah.

What did he say?

Presents?

Yeah.

That's right.

Yeah, as they are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We think the same thing.

I mean, it's not your smaller shoes, loser.

So then is he then then the, the dream at that point was to get Two Foot Locker.

Then you just want to get demands for like Lady Foot Locker to.

I don't think I've got, Yes.

At some point.

But then it's like a, it's like a ton.

Yeah.

Because that lady Foot Locker then that's when they opened up the gas store.

All right.

Oh gas.

You don't have the gas store.

And so we just have to I had like a balloon gas jean jacket, you know, with like the elastic at the bottom.

It was so cool with like, big billowy.

You should bring it out.

Yeah.

No, I think I was burning.

He said no no, no it would be trendy right now.

Yes it was.

That's not big enough for that.

No.

Is it would.

Yeah.

But then, but then with with, with gas, I think that's where my passion really started to kick into like, second gear.

Okay.

You know, it was it was the music.

It was the fun.

It was And guess what.

You like European.

European cousins.

Yes.

Styles.

Yeah.

So it's a little bit different than what I think it was accustomed to.

Yes.

At that particular time.

And we drew a lot of attention because there was nothing else like it.

Was that at Southwick also?

Yeah, that was a friend of hers.

Okay.

Well Westfield.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But but yeah.

So that's, that is when I'm like oh this is something, this is something.

Yeah.

And so you are sketching out clothing in your free time.

No.

You are just, how old are you when you're working there?

This was of three.

Okay.

So all three to, 11.

All right.

You know what was doing it?

That's a long run.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I loved it for sure.

Working in retail.

I mean, obviously, I think they say everybody, everybody needs to work at a restaurant at some point in their life.

I mean, what are the kind of lessons that you learned from from that time, from working in retail that you still carry with you in, in your, you know, in your daily life, not necessarily in work, but in daily life.

I learned to listen, listen, listening.

Yeah.

You know, because a lot of times and especially and, you know, working at or working, I guess customers would come in and they would kind of tell you, you know, their story a little bit, and then you had to kind of translate that story into apparel, putting something on, you know, and a lot of times they had no idea.

Sure.

You know, so you had to think a translator here today that there are people that have no idea what you want.

Looks good.

But if you look directly at me.

Yeah, we didn't know, like, yeah, I'm going to say something and it arrives.

Pepperoni.

Yeah.

Pepperoni.

Yeah.

That, I do think that the retail component of it or having to work with the public, which you did, that is a good lesson for people to learn.

Yeah.

And some people can do and some people can't.

You and I are friends.

Candidly, well, probably one of the best things that's ever happened to you or at your words.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

But you are, And we'll get to the hardest part of it.

Next.

But not everyone can be an artist or creator.

And a facing forward, business person with the public.

What makes your construct capable of doing both those things?

Well, so ironically, I'm very introverted.

Okay.

So you would think, you know, a guy who loves fashion, you know, who works retail, who's facing the public.

Yeah, that, like, I'm all about the people.

And even being here, I'm like, you know.

Yeah, but I do, slightly I get it.

Yeah.

But it's it kind of took me out of my show.

Okay.

You know, a little bit.

It kind of forced me to kind of dig in and allow myself to be myself, okay?

You know, as opposed to kind of hiding behind, like, the walls and behind the scenes a lot.

Yeah, sure.

So having come out around the literal counter.

Yeah.

To get to people.

Yeah, yeah.

But clothes and being seen being in clothes that you love or that you, are that you feel speak to people don't necessarily have to be about someone want you wanting people to look at you.

It could be just about you wanting to feel good.

Right?

That's it.

Yeah.

That's it.

And for me, that's what it was about.

It was about me being able to say what I wanted to say without saying anything.

Right?

Yeah.

You know, because it was it was the way you feel inside me.

Because I can wake up in the morning.

And this is how I felt today at a couple of different outfits I wanted to put on.

Sure.

And, you know, it's difficult for me to say, I'm going to wear this on this particular day.

I may not feel that way, but I was curious about that.

Right?

I mean, you are.

And we'll get into sort of more of the business portion of this, but you are literally now growing a brand.

So what you wear isn't just for comfort.

It is a statement.

Right?

So picking out what you want to wear for that and for the Revelator, brand is important.

It's very important.

So you can't exactly take a day off.

And maybe this is, to some degree, a comfortable day off, but still is a statement.

Yeah.

Yeah, I that's men's.

I get choked up.

That's that's how I can tell the different leaves.

Right?

Yeah.

Really?

Really.

Get me there.

Let's let's take a quick break.

When we come back, we'll talk more about kind of where the brand is now.

Okay?

And, kind of what you, hope to accomplish now is, as an entrepreneur, working for yourself with your own, with your own and some real achievements, too.

Yeah.

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Gretchen, yes, I know we criticize you, but you've done all right with, Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I can I just tell real good all my past.

Yeah.

That very well.

And what a lucky jam.

Mike, it your great surprise to see Gretchen bring in somebody that we're interested in talking to.

Yeah, that I even know this because we're not in target and they're coming on next.

Yeah, so we can't wait to get to them.

But we still have you for a little bit.

Yeah.

So I don't know if I want to start with, you know, kind of.

I want to get to the name, but let's start with how you went from working for somebody else to jumping off that cliff and saying, you know what?

I'm standing on my own two feet now.

Well, I haven't yet.

Actually, right now I currently work for Verizon, you know, so I manage one of the retail stores, here in the city.

It's legal.

But I am looking to take that leap at some point, you know?

But, I'll ask the question.

No, that's I don't know, but I mean, but I think that's a that's a fair.

I mean, so so you're obviously then, you know, the flip side of hey, I still need to have this kind of everyday paycheck.

Yeah, but I've got this passion and I want to do it.

And I'm trying to grow my own thing.

Yeah.

So that just means you've basically filled.

I mean, you're still working a full time job.

I am.

And then in your free time, you go back to work, I go back to work.

You know, but I think there's a lot of importance, you know, with me still being with my 9 to 5, other than just paying the bills and funding the business, you know, there's a lot that I'm still learning or, you know, the business, especially retail business, is an ever evolving business, you know, so I kind of get an idea of where the trends are going.

You know, how the customer base is changing, you know, especially locally, you know, things like that, the cost structure, the cost structure.

And I get a little bit of a behind the scenes in terms of, you know, product, you know, and things like that too.

So, it's helping me out a lot in that aspect.

But, you know, give me the jump point.

You came up with the name Ray off the ribbon.

It's had two different names.

The name of your brand came to you in the shower.

When was this born?

And the name of the brand actually came from?

My father and I were having a conversation one day, and I was.

I was still working, I guess.

Okay, you know, at the time and, he I sit down and I say, you know, I kind of want to do this on my own.

At the time, I thought I was really, really good at what I did, you know?

And again, I had a chance to kind of see some of the, the pinnacles and the purchasing and things.

Yeah.

And I'm like, cheese, man, they're making a lot of money off of me.

Yeah, sure.

Yes.

You know.

Yeah.

You know, and so I sort of just I want you to know we are not doing that today, okay?

Yeah.

All right.

I was in the paperwork.

So I thought to myself, I'm like, you know, you know, I can probably do this.

Yeah.

And so we kind of had that whole conversation and then come up with a name.

Okay.

I wanted it to be something that was expressive.

Yeah.

Gave people a lot of, freedom.

Something that was fun or something I actually kind of wanted to give to people, and we kind of played around with some names and then Rebel Air, I love it, you know?

It's how that name came about.

Let me ask you a question.

When you think of the name or say the name, is there a person that you see, like, who embodies my dad?

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It literally he is he is everything that revelator is.

I love everything about that answer.

Yeah.

That's great.

Yeah.

Father.

So what kind of pride?

I can assume that he was horribly disfigured and unattractive.

Like my father was like.

Nah, man, I thought my father was.

He was six three, almost six four.

Slim build.

I mean, like when you think about, like, what's different.

Yeah, man.

He was.

It was him.

Yeah, it was him.

When, when I have like throughout my career I've had a couple different companies that I come up with and, and dance and well, sure.

Right.

And inevitably I've got this great idea for a, for a name, and then I launch it and then I start to find issues with it.

Right?

Yes.

For me it's email like every time it's been the email address.

Oh so you know, hey email me and.

Yeah.

And so like my, my very first company I called Titan Hawk Productions.

Okay.

So in Saint John's we need a 100% I went to Saint Kevin at Titan Macomb.

It was Kevin at Titan Hawk productions.com.

That is a terrible, terrible because then I got to spell it all out.

Yeah, this hawk is hard to like.

If you're like, you're talking on the phone to someone or anything to be like a w, I mean, it's yeah, it's hard.

It isn't hairy w right.

Well, you know, what is the word people.

Yeah.

Somebody because somebody thought that I said, well and then you say it quickly over the phone w someone thought that I said tight and hot productions, which is a completely different.

Now.

That's a good name.

That's a good name.

Please don't Google that on your phone.

Wow.

This is a family oriented program.

So are there any moments where you've questioned the name or you've and what is your email address.

Yeah micah@regular.com.

Okay okay.

Very simple.

Yeah it is.

You did nail it up for what it's worth.

And the fact that it embodies your dad is particularly heartwarming.

And as true as this may sound, things make it or don't for a myriad of reasons, but things in my experience that do make it aren't just because they're clever, made in a white board.

It's because there's substance behind it.

There's one reason, certainly, that so you and I are just meeting I admittedly and and apologetically, I do not know anything about Revelator.

So.

So what is revelation?

I'll jump back for a quick second.

There is a little bit of a connection here.

I had twin boys and they graduated from Saint John's.

Okay, for the Titans, that's about as close brothers for.

Yeah, that's for others.

Yeah.

There for others.

Yes.

There are 2020 class of 2024.

Okay.

But Revelator means to inherit the enjoyment of life.

I love that that is what Revelator means.

I love it, you know what is your.

What if somebody is, you know, coming to your brand, what are they going to find, right?

I mean, I was you've got a hat on today.

I mean, but what what types of apparel, what types of accessories, items.

What what are you selling?

Well, basic goods right now, you know.

So just branding a piece is hats.

You know what you're saying?

Things like that.

Comfortable, fashionable gear.

But I've transitioned into leather goods, you know.

So I had a backpack that I relea earlier this year.

That's a beautiful day.

Yeah.

Or last year, which was, very successful.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you for that.

Got it into the hands of, some celebrities.

You know, who have an appreciation for it.

You know, my man.

Yeah.

Yeah, he was one of them.

Yeah.

That's right.

Absolutely.

Take the break down a little bit.

But yeah.

So, you know, just getting it into the hands of people who would really have a good appreciation for those types of pieces.

So you know leather goods and I've got a couple more leather goods that are going to be coming out in January this year.

This month.

That's right up.

And so and so where what's the what's the sourcing and manufacturing process.

What are you where are you is that it's like way too long of a question.

Yeah.

Try to answer that.

30s I can try to answer in 30s without weeping I think.

Yes, I think for me right now that is the reason for a lot of my delays is because I'm trying to re navigate through that process, you know, tariffs and, you know, it's a very expensive industry.

You know, if you're having to outsource, you know, internationally.

And so I mean, the process right now was trying to find another manufacturer and kind of help me cut my cost a little bit.

So but it's it's it's tough.

It's a lot of sleepless nights.

Sure.

You know, being that, you know, that the time difference.

So 2 or 3 or 4:00 in the morning when I'm trying to sleep, I'm communicating.

I'm getting messages from my manufacturers.

Right.

You know, and I had to answer that call because if I don't answer that call, then 7 a.m.. I missed a whole day.

Yeah.

You know, so, Mike, do you have, a favorite item that you've done that whether it be your first or something that just particularly nailed it?

And also, do you have I don't rolling in with you guys, but do you have a Gordon Guardrail moment according to a trail?

Sure.

Those are shirts that Denise I think made for Theo.

She did show, she tried to make it.

She tried to try.

It was like, just like the real thing.

And it was the most sleeves all over the pl So I one that is maybe your favorite or that you nailed or maybe even one to come that you're aspiring to make, but is in your mind a win in the loss.

The win was the backpack.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

You know, the the win was a backpack because I think that was the kind of the piece that kind of solidified a rubber layer of it.

You know, it got the most attention from, from that particular to show a, a volume of sophistication too.

And you know, I don't I mean that the non patronizing way it's you're making clothing and now accessories that are effective for workplace like that's a like you're doing a thing.

No man.

Right.

Yeah.

Thank you.

But please but but then it was the I had one piece.

Oh my gosh, I had one piece that I created.

Got the sample in.

Yeah, from overseas and we made some tweaks.

Let's fix this.

Let's fix this.

Cool.

He sent me a photo.

Actually sent me a video of the piece.

Yeah.

And.

Perfect.

Let's go.

Well, when I got my order, it was all wrong.

Oh, no.

All wrong.

Look how it was.

Like the.

So the dimensions on the patch.

All right.

Yeah.

The sleeves are all, all I said there were three.

Which is weird because it was a belt.

Yeah, yeah, it was a it was a button down shirt.

It was a button down shirt.

The dimensions on the seams were wrong.

The patch was too small.

You couldn't read the name.

And I'm like, this isn't even what we approved.

And the entire order was that way.

Oh, my.

What was the response?

There was no response.

It was there.

I lost the entire order.

Oh, God.

They were.

They wanted me to repurchase the order.

They wouldn't even make it right for me.

So at the risk of of asking for the secret recipe here, like, I mean, how do you go from how do you decide this is the item I want right?

Or how did you figure out like, this is the this is the backpack I want or this is the shirt I want or this is because you're not seeing it on the shelf somewhere saying, no, send that to me.

I mean, you're you're having it manufactured for you.

Where does that where where does that idea born?

I think it's somewhat of a selfish idea, because it's all things that I feel like I need.

All right.

You know, I wanted a really good backpack.

You know, I wanted something that was fashionable but also functional at the same time.

Sure couldn't really find what I wanted.

So I was like, arm is not just created, you know?

And then come to find out, you know, there's a whole audience that actually appreciates the same thing.

Yeah.

You know, of course, you know.

So a lot of it's, you know, it's kind of what do I enjoy.

Yeah.

You know, and with that, it's, you know, I would assume that everyone else likes me too.

And that's why you're so many years in retail and observing and looking at this stuff and being immersed in it, I'm assuming, would be beneficial to you at this point, because you can eyeball this stuff and see what you what you think is missing in the marketplace and what you need.

I studied a lot.

I mean, if you go to my YouTube right now, you know what you're going to see?

Just fashion and music stuff, you know, which are my inspirations, you know, when it comes to, you know, what I do every day, but, yeah, I mean, I, I pay attention to what's going on, you know, I watch a lot of fashion shows, you know, things like that.

So It starts from here for sure.

You know, but I just like to get outside opinions.

Yeah.

So I do have a couple of people that are close to me.

Yeah.

I've never been asked to.

That doesn't hurt my feelings.

No, it's fine, but I'll catch you in the next one.

Yeah, that will for sure.

Especially speaking of.

You know who Jack Lorenzo you're when his whole story is not a whole lot.

I really have to go to you, right?

Yeah.

He's got a whole new thinking on this.

I had last last year through the University of Toledo.

I was paired up with one of the men's basketball players, in a mentorship.

Okay.

And him and I are out to lunch and talking about, you know, his dream and what he wants to do.

And he wants to start a clothing line.

Okay.

And I was like, great.

That sounds awesome.

I have no experience with this, but from an entrepreneurship standpoint, I like, I can I can help and I can kind of help you strategize and plan your own clothes.

And at the end of lunch, he goes, hey, you guys, when I and he's describing what his brand is and, you know, he's a kid from the Detroit area and that's, that's, you know, designing clothing for his friends and his community, of which I am not a part of, neither his friend nor its community.

And and he says, hey, when I get these designs done, I'm going to send him your way.

I'd love your opinion.

And I told him, I'm like, respectfully, yeah, now you can give a mic.

You don't.

Yeah.

You don't need nor want my opinion.

I mean, yes and no though.

I mean like because what that does is it gives him a good idea of, you know, where his market is, what the people are thinking.

Yeah.

You know, even for that person who maybe wouldn't normally buy that piece, you know, is this something they would actually enjoy or appreciate, you know, the kind of thinking outside of their wheelhouse or outside the box limits?

So I'll put you on the spot a little bit here.

So, you know, I didn't necessarily mention them by name or whatever you're comfortable with, but who is who is your cabin?

The people that you bounce stuff off of?

I have a friend named Jada, who has her own brand as well.

Yeah.

I've reached out to Darrell Brown, who has a very successful.

Yeah, there's a, there's a for the family collection for me there too, which I won't talk about, but.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Joe Riley, who has, and one me brand is very successful.

And Tom brand here.

So those are some guys that like, I. Oh, and, chief who has, effortlessness.

Okay.

Yeah.

So those are all the guys.

And, like, I admire and respect their opinions when it comes to things, right, I love it.

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Micah, you were talking about a fashion show.

Gretchen 1419.

Yeah, I like I, I am embarrassed to say like I am learning so much on this show.

And I love it.

But like, I'm, I'm feeling wildly out of the loop.

You are not expected to know everything about everything.

Thank you.

But we're glad that you're learning so much good information from Micah.

So that is one of the kind of Gretchen has ever been either one of us.

I didn't say too much.

Yeah, not.

But I veer him.

So you took it in.

You felt that?

Yeah.

Yeah, it's good.

It's like when you guys are talking about sports and I'm like, yeah, I don't care.

We actually don't need those words either.

We just pretend to.

So you shut Anyway, earlier, in 2025, I believe you, and some other some, some of the same people you just mentioned, and some other started, an advocacy, I would call it an advocacy organization called For one nine.

Can you talk about what that is and why you started it?

Yeah, yeah.

Details for went on is a, it's a nonprofit five fiber onesie.

Three.

Fashion Council that we started.

It was something that, This was the best way to put it.

I, I decided that, I wanted to offer support, you know, for people who are in the same industry as I'm in or interested in the same industry to provide them resources and support.

Because coming into this, if you don't know what you don't know or sometimes you don't know what you don't know until it's time for you to know it.

That's right.

You know.

And then it can be very expensive, cost you a lot of time, you know, and heartache, heartache, you know.

And so I wanted to find a way to where I can provide the resources for people who, you know, needed to, to advance or, or, you know, start their business, their fashion business.

And what is stand for and stands for who's behind the show.

So it's really an organization for the makers, the designers, the creators, the producers, and all of the people that go into putting together fashion labels, if you will, 100%.

Okay.

I mean.

You and I are just meeting.

Yeah, but like, you're trying to get this going for yourself, right?

You're you're working full time job.

You're trying to get this hustle going, and yet you're like, you know what?

Let me also, on top of all of that, let me try and lift everybody else up too.

That that's a lot, man.

Thank you.

Where does that where does that drive?

Where does that, kind of community building?

I don't know, expectation or responsibility or whatever, but is that part of your DNA or.

It came from my DNA.

Okay.

My.

I go back to my to my father.

Yeah.

You know, my father was a youth pastor.

And so, you know, he loved young people.

Yeah.

You know, you know, he always wanted to try to find a way to help uplift, support.

You know, the people in this community, the people around him, you know, and so it's.

You're right.

It's in my DNA, you know?

But for me, it was more targeted toward what I'm passionate about, you know?

So how do I help the people in my community, you know, the fashion community, in retrospect, to what they want to do with their brand, their businesses.

And one of the.

That's amazing.

And I think Kevin's point is well taken.

One of the really super cool events that, 4 or 9 put on in 2025 was this metamorphosis fashion show.

It's clear now that you say that you've been watching all these fashion shows, how well executed that was.

For those that don't know, it was held at the Metroparks at the ribbon, obviously not on ice.

It was just the cement.

But it was this sort of natural looping pathway that that people could take.

And it was just such a unique and cool event.

How long did it take to put that You guys going to do more of that?

It took about a full year to to plan and thank you.

By the way, I went to Matt, because I wanted to do something that was unconventional, something that was just a little off the grid and watching all these fashion shows.

You like you're heavily inspired by the, like, location, the locations, you know, like, you know, everything they put into into these shows.

And it's like, I didn't want to just do just like a building with a runway.

And so how do we do something that's just different, you know?

And, you know, we got great support, and a phenomenal team.

You know, my team is absolutely amazing.

But I'm going to put a pin in that just for a second.

It is a nod to you.

And that group came to be the people who designed the downtown park, right.

The Metroparks as a whole.

And that not me.

I mean, the my colleagues, because that was a fashion show immediately on top of an ice rink.

Right.

Which is pretty amazing.

Right?

But it is on a former electrical plant site, waste site, overwhelming amount of, toxic elements.

Buried well under the ground.

And I don't think anyone envisioned at the time that that was being redone that an event like that would happen there.

But it's just such an outstanding, event that there are harmony unexpected of that green space being used.

Is an example of many people looking at something that we used to think was just okay, or could never be different, and is now remarkably, yeah, changed.

So I look at the ice skating ribbon because smarter people than me that said that this inspiration should be this and we attract people.

You look at it and say, well, not only is that cool, but it can or should be this.

Well, I think that's it's interesting.

I'm curious kind of how that relates to your brand, right?

I mean, you, you build this space and you build it to do this thing.

And, and then once the community shows up they do their own thing with it.

Right.

So yeah.

So you design a backpack.

That's right.

For someone to use in this way, you know you design a shirt for someone in this for this occasion.

And I've been wearing it as a hat.

Yeah.

And then it's and then if somebody uses it differently I mean I think there's the T is there a is is there a pride to that.

Is there a do you when that happens do you go.

No, you're not you're not doing it right.

Are you.

You're like, no, I love that you've made that your own.

That is it.

You know, I think that it's the form of expression that I appreciate, you know, about the fashion industry is is that the interpretation?

Like, it's like visual art.

You know, what interpretation.

You know, right?

When you see that shirt or when you see, you know, that jacket, you know, what do you see with it?

I mean, I mean, I wear that those pants with it, you know, you may wear this one.

So it gives you an opportunity to have the freedom and, you know, and you're allowed to express however way you choose, the, for, for our friends on the radio, Matt's entire glare was right at me.

Right through all of that.

I don't appreciate any of that.

Yeah, for the friends on television.

You're right.

Yes.

Yeah.

So you mentioned your team.

I will throw out the disclaimer for you before I ask this question, okay?

That if you leave anybody out, it's Matt.

Me?

Yeah, sure.

It's Matt's fault.

Nice words.

Okay, but you mentioned your team.

Yes.

Do you want to give a shout out to to those folks and give them some love?

I do, there's shout out to Jada, Frazier, Jessica White, Rhonda Sewell, Shayna Lee, Amanda Davis, Xi'an, Jason Young, each one of those folks there brought something that allowed that event to be what it was.

And I'm going to tell you 100%, what if one person was missing?

It wouldn't have happened the way that it did.

You know, the excellence that came behind that event was solely based on everyone bringing, you know, their heart, their passion, their mindset, their skills, I guess all together.

And it just it just it just it worked.

It worked I love it.

That's awesome.

All right.

So we have to do our we have to do it.

We're about to finish.

You are so.

Micah.

Yeah.

New new signature as part of this new show.

Is our, 419, the 419 quiz, 419 quiz.

We're we're we're making up a different name every single day until one sticks.

Today, it's called the 419 quiz.

Okay, brothers.

Micah by.

Brought to you by Revelator.

That's right.

There you go.

So with the first thing we have is four rapid fire questions.

So Kevin's going to pick them for you.

All right.

This would be fun.

This will be this will be tough here because what's your Social security number?

Your brother's name?

No, no, no, I'm a couple.

Your high school mascot and the street you grew up on.

All right, if you could teleport right now, where would you go?

Don't do this.

Because Orange Julius, Southwick Mall, I don't, I don't, I don't I don't want to seem so, like emotional, but like, I miss my parents.

Yeah.

So if I could teleport, I would go and just sit and just talk with them right now and just get more, you know, wisdom and insight, you know, just talking.

Just keep going.

Yeah.

I could do anything around.

It's what I would do.

Favorite day of the week?

Favorite day of the week?

Sunday.

It's my reset.

First start, my man.

Top three.

This one's tough.

Top three.

Favorite movies of all time.

Oh, I got one.

I'll right off the rim a coming to America.

All right.

I should give me the second one.

No.

Absolutely no no, no, I can call coming to America from from start to finish.

People watching it with me.

Yeah.

Coming to America.

Man on fire.

Yeah.

Man on fire.

That's a good movie.

Oh.

Top three.

The third one will probably be American Gangster.

That's a good.

That's an unsung one.

I think I, I, I'm going to I'm going to delay this rapid fire.

Three is that's true.

I've seen coming to America.

The second one.

No no no, no.

Matt, what are your top three?

Oh, Top three.

Let's see.

I don't have a unique answer here, but it is godfather to, Four Weddings and a funeral.

And my wife's, I hate the fact that I've been out of the movie.

Yeah.

The movie.

It's not just a movie.

It.

It's a way of life.

Okay.

All right.

That's a lot of racing, Arizona.

Okay, okay.

Lilies of the field.

Sure.

Sally Field movie.

Great.

I've never heard great.

John Malkovich, great movie.

And postcards from the edge.

What the interesting selection those are.

I mean, those probably aren't the real ones, but yeah, I have I have Carrie Fisher movie.

I have legitimate legitimately.

You know what?

Yeah, I've legitimately never heard of any of them.

You have to watch.

It's one of the best Meryl Streep movies ever made.

It's absolutely.

That statement couldn't be more untrue.

But it is a good movie.

Yeah, I'll give you that.

Okay.

What about yours?

So I don't have any.

Like I always say, when I get this question, I always go to Star Wars.

I was going to Rudy.

Yeah.

Okay.

Rudy.

Yeah, but like, never seen it.

If you were like, hey, Kevin, you want to watch Rudy?

Not really.

Yeah.

Like he's kind of slow on and done, but like.

But Wedding Crashers with Notre Dame.

Oh, okay.

I know Notre Dame football movie.

I grew up loving that.

Yeah.

And so that's in that list.

But like, I don't care.

Right.

Like I mean like, I don't know that I have, a favorite.

Is there a movie that's if it's on, no matter when it's on TV or whatever, that you would sit down and watch it.

I bet it's a little funny.

Yeah.

I, you know, we watch as a family.

We watch, Elf.

Oh, yeah.

Every year around the holidays.

Yeah, yeah.

That one's great.

I do like most of the Will Ferrell movies.

Yeah, like I just he's a stand.

Yeah.

All right, we're ready to hang on.

Yeah.

All right, here we go.

What is the one food that you could never give up?

While watching postcards from the edge.

Peanut butter and jelly.

Interesting.

I thought you were, say, Marco's pizza.

Yes.

Okay, so the next part of the quiz for the one in the 419, obviously is your number one favorite or best thing about Toledo or the region?

I'm wrestling.

How collaborative we are here in Toledo.

Okay, good.

The final part of the of the segment is nine words that you would use to describe Toledo or the region.

Greedy, supportive, resourceful.

I would say, ambitious.

Resilient.

How many is that?

I've.

That's, creative.

Evolving.

I lost track two more tomorrow.

If you got them, you could say met and kill them.

And I'm gonna put this as one word.

Okay.

And there's two, but there's a hidden brilliance.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, I like that.

That when you called Gretchen's is well, well hidden.

Well, yeah.

Well under wraps, right.

Very good.

What's very good, Micah?

What's the future?

What's the future hold for you?

What?

What do you what do you want?

What do you want them to manifest?

How much time do I have?

Yeah, two minutes of two minutes.

So obviously keep, you know, growing, you know air.

Yeah.

Keep getting product out.

Keep sharing the gift of the passion.

For us for one, I know we're going to just keep showing up for our community.

We released a date for our next fashion show.

September 12th.

Metamorphosis is coming back.

And we're going to continue to keep highlighting designers and give all those platforms, keep educating.

Yeah.

It's that that's what's on the on the, on the agenda.

If people want to learn more about arts or learn more about Rebel Air, how do they find it?

Socials, is there for one, I for Instagram and Facebook.

There.

On are the same as for one i.com for the website and then revelacao rev r e h e I r reveler.

Micah, thank you and such a pleasure.

Thank you so much for coming in.

Great to meet you.

And now the next time we see each other and I say we've never met, you can punch me for that.

No, I gotta all right.

Perfect.

Wonderful.

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I know we I mean, we make this joke, but like, I mean, legitimately, every guest that we have had on since we started this, you know, as a podcast, you know, over two years ago, I thoroughly enjoyed getting to know.

I know we always pick on Gretchen for her guests, but you did all right today.

Thank you.

What's what's something new?

Something you learned today that you.

I mean, obviously, you already knew Mike or something you learned today.

You didn't know?

Yeah, I, Mike and I have had, you know, you have friendships for, quite some time.

It's really, it's, made my life better.

I knew, about his relationship with his dad.

I guess I didn't it didn't register to me, how impactful that gentleman is.

And also by proxy, you know, his dad is a part of, our city, right?

So I'm proud of Mike.

I'm proud to be his friend.

I know this dad would be proud of him.

But, you know, it goes to show that what you do does impact not just immediate today, but things that you're not actually going to be a participant of.

And I know that that's what part of what the show aspires to do is to tell stories of what people are doing right now.

But so many things and, make what's happening right now possible.

So it's just nice to highlight that.

It's nice to be with a friend.

So, yeah, Gretchen, we talk a lot about how even when it's our guest, we still learn something new about them.

And that's part of them, part of the fun of this.

What's something that you're taking away from from, the conversation today with Mike?

Well, I didn't know any of most of this, background.

I know Mike mostly from social media and through other friends, and so but I could see what he was trying to do.

And see the way he presents himself in the community, and his clothes and his fashion.

And, you know, all of it is just it was incredibly interesting to me.

So I loved hearing, the story about his family and his parents and, and the brand and what he's trying to do.

It seems like I think he's going to make it.

Me too.

It's interesting to me.

I mean, you say that, you know, you saw this thing in him, and I almost want to, like, bring him back on to talk about more that some of this.

But it's like, you know, you it makes you realize how much, you know, when you see these things in other people.

They may not yet see that in themselves.

Right.

And so there's a responsibility there to want to make sure that people know, like, hey, I, I see you and I see what you're doing because there's especially in entrepreneurship, like it's it's lonely.

Yeah.

Right.

And there are I tell people that, you know, then you become an overnight success, right.

Oh, you've been doing something for a decade.

That's I love hearing that from from musicians.

Right.

Yeah.

Who hit it big overnight success.

And I'm like, yeah, yeah.

For the last 30 years I've been working on becoming an overnight success.

Right, right.

But I think that's, you know, with, with entrepreneurship, you know, I tell people that the, you know, when you're working for somebody else, when you're working for a company and you know, you've got this, you know, steady 9 to 5 paycheck, you know, there's a floor and there's a ceiling.

And everybody in entrepreneurship focuses on there's no ceiling.

But what they don't tell you that you figure out once you get here, there's also no floor, right, right.

And so the lows are low.

Yeah.

And they're lonely.

But I think, you know what what we hear from this story and what I think I hear time and time again about this community, is, is the way we come together and support each other and say, hey, I'm gonna help lift you up off that floor.

And he's trying to do that for other people.

Yeah.

It's incredible.

Right.

So it's amazing.

Great.

It was a great, great to talk to him today.

Yeah, absolutely.

Gretchen, thanks for having me.

And thanks to Micah for being our guest today.

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