>> ERIC: WHILE MINNESOTA CONTINUES TO DRAW NATIONAL ATTENTION, INCLUDING A VISIT FROM VICE PRESIDENT VANCE THIS WEEK, OUT AT THE DAVOS SUMMIT IN SWITZERLAND PRESIDENT TRUMP PROMOTED HIS BOARD OF PEACE CHARTER AND RANKLED ALLIES OVER HIS DESIRE FOR GREENLAND.

IN D.C., HOUSE REPUBLICANS AVERTED A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND BLOCKED ANOTHER WAR POWERS RESOLUTION OVER ACTIONS IN VENEZUELA.

HERE TO HELP US SIFT THROUGH IT ALL, LARRY JACOBS HEADS UP THE CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF POLITICS AND GOVERNANCE AT THE U OF M'S HUMPHREY SCHOOL.

WHERE DO YOU WANT TO START?

I SUPPOSE DAVOS?

>> I ACTUALLY THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT UNDERLINES THE CENTRAL CHARACTERISTIC OF DONALD TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY.

WHICH IS ON THE DOMESTIC FRONT, HE'S GOTTEN A LOT OF HEADACHES.

AND JUST IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO, HE'S HAD REPUBLICAN SENATORS, YOU KNOW, THREATENING TO SUPPORT WAR POWERS RESOLUTION, WE'VE SEEN THE BUDGET PROCESS MOVE FORWARD, IT'S MOVING FORWARD, AND MANY OF HIS BUDGET PROPOSALS ARE BEING OVERTURNED.

SO IT'S HEADACHES ON THE LEGISLATIVE FRONT IN CONGRESS, AND ON THE DOMESTIC FRONT, HE GOES TO DAVOS, YOU KNOW, HE DOES A FEW TWEETS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN HE'S THE CENTER OF ATTENTION.

PEOPLE ARE FLOCKING AROUND HIM.

LARGE NEWS CONFERENCES, RESPECTFUL VOICES.

SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK A CLASSIC CASE OF TWO PRESIDENCIES, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE FOREIGN POLICY, NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENCY, POWER, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL BARGAINING, VISIBLE RESULTS RIGHT AWAY, WHEREAS, THE LEGISLATIVE FRONT, THE DOMESTIC SIDE, BOY, YOU BETTER GET YOUR ASPIRIN.

>> Cathy: BOY, ON PUBLIC RADIO, WE HAD THE WHOLE SPEECH ON THE AIR LIVE FOR AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES.

AND SOME OF THE COMMENTARY AFTERWARD WAS FROM SOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL REPORTERS.

WHO SAID ON THE WORLD STAGE, LEADERS ARE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE PRESIDENT AND THINKING, IS HE WELL?

I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?

>> WELL, I THINK DONALD TRUMP'S HAD A PRETTY LONGSTANDING VIEW ABOUT EUROPE AND OUR ALLIES.

HE DOESN'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO IT.

HE DOESN'T PUT A WHOLE LOT OF FAITH IN THE IDEA OF A RULE-BASED ORDER.

HE DOESN'T REALLY THINK LONG-TERM IN TERMS OF A STRATEGY THAT WOULD BE ONGOING.

HE'S VERY, YOU KNOW, TRANSACTIONAL AND SHORT-TERM ORIENTED.

AND THERE ARE TREMENDOUS COSTS TO THAT.

IN TERMS OF WE'RE CLEARLY ERODING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR ALLIES.

AMERICA'S KIND OF ROLE AS A LEADER OF THE RULE-BASED ORDER HAVE BEEN IN DECLINE.

BUT DONALD TRUMP HAS PUSHED IT FORWARD A LOT.

EXAMINE THEN HIS OWN CREDIBILITY, I THINK, HAS BEEN DAMAGED.

HE MAKES A BIG DEAL ABOUT, HE'S GOING TO SEIZE GREENLAND, AND THEN HE QUICKLY BACKS DOWN.

AND IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT HE GOT, IF ANYTHING, THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

I TEND TO AGREE THAT THIS WAS NOT KIND OF HOW YOU SHOULD BE DOING THINGS.

BUT I THINK IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH DONALD TRUMP, AND I WOULDN'T BE RUNNING TO THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, MENTAL ISSUE HERE.

>> Cathy: GO AHEAD, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

>> Eric: JANUARY 30th, GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE HOUSE HAS DONE ITS 12 BUDGET BILLS.

BUT I WONDER IF WE'VE SEEN A TRUMP BUDGET TO CONGRESS.

HAVE WE SEEN A DOCUMENT?

>> WELL, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SIGNALED WHAT IT WANTS, BUT, FRANKLY, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, INCLUDING REPUBLICANS, DON'T SEEM TO CARE.

THEY WENT BACK AND THEY DREW UP THEIR OWN BUDGETS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, EDUCATION, THE ENVIRONMENT, HEALTHCARE, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO KIND OF THE OLD GAME PLAYBOOK.

SO I THINK THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF THE OMESTIC FRONT WHERE DONALD TRUMP IS SEEING THAT HIS AGENDA, WHILE IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR, IS BEING THWARTED.

>> Cathy: SO, THERE WAS A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION OVER THE TWO LITTLE KIDS WHO WERE DEPORTED, THE 5-YEAR-OLD AND THE 2-YEAR-OLD FROM MINNESOTA, THEY WERE SWEPT UP IN I.C.E.

RAIDS WITH A PARENT AND NOW THEY'RE IN TEXAS.

THE OPTICS OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES DON'T LOOK GREAT.

THERE WAS THE POLL TODAY FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND CNN THAT DID NOT LOOK LIKE VOTERS ARE REALLY -- THEY'RE NOT INTO THIS AT ALL.

AND I'M WONDERING, IF THE PRESIDENT LOOKS AT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, WHAT'S THE MECHANISM TO RETHINK THIS OPERATION, DO YOU THINK?

>> DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A REFLECTIVE PERSON.

BUT I THINK THE TELL HERE WAS JD VANCE.

JD VANCE COMING TO MINNESOTA AND USING THE WORD "COOPERATION."

THAT WAS A MAJOR SIGNAL HAT HE WANTS TO SEE THE TEMPERATURE IN MINNESOTA DECREASED.

IT'S A MESSAGE WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND TO SOME OF THE SENIOR OFFICIALS IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THEY NEED TO TAMP THINGS DOWN.

WHY?

IF YOU LOOK BACK, THERE'S ALMOST 30 ELECTIONS, MIDTERM AND PRESIDENTIAL, SINCE 1968, ONLY THREE OF THEM INVOLVE NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN POLICY.

IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE IN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, NO ONE'S BETTING ON THAT, THEY NEED TO TURN THE SCRIPT, THEY NEED TO GET AWAY FROM THE ECONOMIC PESSIMISM THAT'S DOM IT NAICT.

SO -- DOMINATING.

SO I DON'T THINK DONALD TRUMP IS THE LEADER OF THIS, BUT I THINK JD VANCE'S TRIP WAS REALLY TELLING.

>> Eric: GREAT STUFF.

THANKS FOR COM