[♪♪] GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO KENTUCKY TONIGHT.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

OUR TOPIC TONIGHT: NATIONAL POLITICS.

WITH A WEEK TO GO BEFORE THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION, AND A MONTH TO GO BEFORE THE DEMOCRATS MEET, THERE IS PLENTY OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

AFTER HIS DEBATE PERFORMANCE JUNE 27TH, MANY DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN TO BOW OUT OF THE RACE.

IT’S NOT CLEAR IF HE WILL DO THAT — AND IF HE DOES — WHO HIS REPLACEMENT WOULD BE ON THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET.

WE’LL TALK ABOUT THAT, THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION, AND MORE, WITH OUR GUESTS.

WE’RE JOINED, IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO, BY: REBECCA HARTSOUGH, REPUBLICAN AND SENIOR POLICY DIRECTOR AT BABBAGE COFOUNDER; MIKE WARD, FORMER DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN AND DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL CONSULTANT; TRES WATSON, FORMER SPOKESMAN FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF KENTUCKY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND FOUNDER OF CAPITOL REINS PR; AND DAVID TANDY, PARTNER WITH THE DENTONS LAW FIRM WITH A PRACTICE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PUBLIC POLICY, DEMOCRAT, AND FORMER LOUISVILLE METRO COUNCILMAN.

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WELCOME TO OUR GUESTS.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD HOLIDAY AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO KICK THINGS YOU HAVE IN ANOTHER GEAR.

YOU WILL BE A GREAT PANEL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT IS THE THING EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT.

>> WHAT THING IS THAT?

>> Renee: WE'RE ALMOST 10 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.

AND WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE HALTING PERFORMANCE BY PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN 10 DAYS AFTERWARDS.

THE CALLS ARE BECOMING MORE LOUD AND MAYBE PERHAPS CLEARER FROM OTHER DEMOCRATS AND PROMINENT ROLES IN WASHINGTON SAYING IT'S TIME FOR HIM TO STEP ASIDE.

DO YOU CHALK THIS UP TO HIM HAVING A BAD NIGHT OR DOES THE PERFORMANCE SIGNAL SOMETHING MORE CONCERNING WHEN IT COMES TO HIS ABILITY TO SERVE A SECOND TERM?

>> IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO BE HERE BUT IT'S DISCOURAGING WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THAT DEBATE, JOE BIDEN HAD A BAD NIGHT.

BUT DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE IS WILLING TO LIE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND SAY THINGS THAT ARE JUST SO ABSURD LIKE HE HAD THE LARGEST TAX CUT IN HISTORY.

THAT IS JUST SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

BUT NOBODY SAYS HE DOESN'T KNOW THE REAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

HE DOESN'T KNOW IF HE HAD THE BIGGEST TAX CUT OR WHAT.

THEY SAY HE LIES.

JOE BIDEN HAS A BAD NIGHT AND WE TALK ABOUT IT FOR 10 DAYS.

IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO WATCH THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

THAT DONALD TRUMP'S ABLE TO GET -- WITH THE SUPREME COURT HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER.

HE IS ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER IN THESE THINGS AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.

>> Renee: OKAY.

I WILL LET YOU SAY THAT.

LET'S GO TO THE OTHER SIDE I BET TRES WATSON HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW?

>> HONESTLY AFTER THAT DEBATE I'M NOT AS WORRIED AS SEVEN MONTHS FROM NOW BUT THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS.

HE HAD NEWS HE HAS BEEN VISITED EIGHT TIMES BY THE PARKINSON'S EXPERT FROM WALTER READ HOSPITAL.

NEUROLOGISTS IN MY LIFE BELIEVE HE MAY HAVE PARKINSON'S AT THAT TIME SEEMS TO BE THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO THEY HAVE TO MOVE CAMPAIGN EVENTS UP AND NOT HAVING HIM DO AS MUCH LATE AT NIGHT WE'RE INVOLVED IN WARS, EIGHT TO 14 HOURS AWAY.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT CALL COMES IN THAT CHINA IS ATTACKED TAIWAN OR CHINA IN THE PHILIPPINES FLARED UP OR SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED IN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE THAT PERFORMANCE MADE ME WORRY ABOUT THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS.

THE IMMEDIACY OF THE THINGS.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE IF YOU DECIDE HE IS UNFIT TO RUN SEVEN MONTHS FROM NOW, HOW IS HE FIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT NOW?

DOES THERE NEED TO BE A MOVE MADE NOW?

THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT COME OUT OF THAT DEBATE NOT LEAST OF WHICH ARE EVERYONE TIP TOED AROUND THIS FOR SIX MONTHS, A YEAR OR TWO, WHAT DID THE WHITE HOUSE NOT TELL US?

WHEN DID THEY KNOW THINGS.

I'M REWATCHING THE MIDDLE SEASONS OF THE WEST WING.

WE'VE SEEN A THREE SEASON LONG ARC OF A TV SHOW WITH A PRESIDENT WITH A JENNER ACTIVE NEUROLOGICAL DISORDER.

THE WHITE HOUSE HAD A CHANCE TO PUT A CAP ON THIS QUICKLY.

THEY DIDN'T A.

IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE AND I WATCHED THE PRESS CONFERENCE THEY DON'T HAVE ANSWERS THEY ARE YOU WILL GO WILLING TO -- UNWILLING TO GIVE ANSWERS IT IS A BAD SPOT FOR THE PARTY AND THE CURRENT PRESIDENT AND HARD DECISION HAVE TO BE MADE.

>> I THINK WHAT IS SO ALARM BEING THIS, IS WE'RE SEEING FROM ALL CORNERS QUESTIONS ABOUT BIDEN'S COMPETENCY AND HIS COGNITIVE ABILITIES AND IT'S DISTRESSING TO SEE THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR HIM, LIKE HIM, LOVE HIM IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND SEEING THAT STEPHANOPOULOS INTERVIEW WILL YOU SUBMIT TO A TEST AND RELEASE THE RECORDS?

NO STRAIGHT ANSWER THERE.

IT WAS I GET A COGNITIVE TEST EVERY MORNING AND X, Y AND Z.

THAT'S JUST SHAKEY.

YOU KNOW THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE WATCHING AND SEEMS IF HE HAS A NEURODEGENERATIVE DISORDER AT THE END OF THE DAY.

>> Renee: DAVID TANDY?

>> NOW THAT EVERYBODY HAS IT OUT OF THEIR SYSTEM LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION.

FIRST OFF, TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO WAS IT A BAD NIGHT?

YES IT WAS A BAD NIGHT FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.

I WILL REMIND PEOPLE THAT RONALD REAGAN IN 1984 WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR REELECTION AGAINST WALTER MONDALE HE HAD A BAD NIGHT HIS FIRST DEBATE AS WELL.

AND EVERYBODY WAS SHOOK UP.

HE WAS THE OLDEST PRESIDENT AT THE TIME.

AND PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

BUT EVERYTHING WE CALM DOWN.

WE WEREN'T IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA TIME THAT WE'RE IN NOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS SPINNING, SPINNING.

CONSTANTLY SPINNING.

THEN YOU HAD BARACK OBAMA 2012 HAD A BAD NIGHT AGAINST MITT ROMNEY.

I DON'T REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THE ROMNEY FIRST TERM OF THE ROMNEY ADMINISTRATION.

I TAKE AT THIS POINT I TAKE A PAGE OUT OF AARON ROGERS PLAYBOOK LOOK INTO THE CAMERA AND SAY TO EVERYBODY RELAX, RELAX.

EVERYTHING'S DIAGNOSE TO BE ALL RIGHT.

THE FIRST PART ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS THE BEAUTIES OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS WE WILL HAVE LIVELY DEBATES WE ARE THE FAMILY REUNION PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES WHERE YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT WALKS COMING TOGETHER AND THEY WILL NOT SEE EYE TO EYE AND YOU HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS GOING BACK AND FORTH BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY ONCE WE REALIZE WHAT IS AT STAKE AND MOST IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE, WE WILL THEN GET TOGETHER AND THEN JOE BIDEN WILL BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS AFTER THE ELECTION.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE ELECTION.

JOE BIDEN HAS PUT TOGETHER A STRONG TEAM AROUND HIM TO CONTINUE TO GOVERN.

HE HAS BEEN A STRONG LEADER AS PRESIDENT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS RECORD MOVING FORWARD.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL FOCUS ON.

REMEMBER WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, RENEE, WE ARE JUST STARTING THE MONTH OF JULY.

THE REPUBLICANS HAVEN'T HAD THEIR CONVENTION YET AND IT'S EARLY BECAUSE OF THE OLYMPICS AND OURS WILL BE IN AUGUST AND THE ELECTION IS NOT UNTIL NOVEMBER FOLKS DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THINGS UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS NEW CYCLE AND THEN PEOPLE WILL START TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THE ISSUES ARE FACING US.

>> Renee: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES UP DURING THE CONVERSATIONS IS THAT PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN ASKED FOR THAT DEBATE.

AND IF HE WAS TOO TIRED OR HE WAS FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER, PERHAPS HE SHOULD HAVE REEVALUATED NOW, THOUGH WE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED DAYS FROM NOVEMBER THAT IS ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> AND THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN ASKED TO PLAY APPALACHIAN STATE IN FOOTBALL AND GOT BEAT IN THE BIG HOUSE.

UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE ASKED TO PLAY BELIVIEU UNIVERSITY AND THEY GOT BEAT IN FREEDOM HALL.

BECAUSE PRESIDENT BIDEN ASKED FOR THE DEBATE AND IT DIDN'T PAN OUT THE WAY HE ORIGINALLY WANTED IT TO BE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE GAME IS OVER.

>> Renee: I'M NOT SURE MIKE WARD THAT THE STEP NABLUS -- STEPHANOPOULOS, WATCH IT LATER, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS A REDEEMING 22 MINUTES EITHER.

THERE SEEMS TO BE TIMES WHEN HE WAS STILTED SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS, MAYBE ROBOTIC OR ELUSIVE IN HIS ANSWERS THAT DIDN'T REASSURE AMERICAN VOTERS THAT HE IS THIS SOLID STALWART?

>> AND WE KEEP USING THIS WORD PERFORMANCE.

BUT I DO WANT TO THANK THE DOCTORS ON THE PANEL FOR THEIR DIAGNOSIS OF WHATEVER THE HECK IT WAS.

LET'S WAIT UNTIL LIKE A DOCTOR ACTUALLY -- >> THAT IS THE PROBLEM, MIKE.

THEY ARE NOT TELLING US.

HE HAS BEEN SEEN BY A PARKINSON'S SPECIALIST EIGHT TIMES.

>> THE DOCTOR SAID HE WAS GOING TO LIVE TO BE 200.

>> WE HAVE PROOF THAT PARKINSON'S DOCTOR HAS VISITED THE WHITE HOUSE EIGHT TIMES IN EIGHT MONTHS.

>> YOU HAVE THAT DATA POINT.

AND YOU GO ON -- AND SAY THE GUY IS GOING TO FALL OVER TOMORROW.

HERE'S THE FACT.

>> THE WHITE HOUSE IS BEING COMMUNICATIVE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM.

>> HE HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT AND CARRIED OUT THE DUTIES WE HEARD THE PHONE CALL WITH THE NEW PRIME MINISTER OF GREAT BRITAIN SOUNDING GOOD TO ME.

WE KNOW WHAT HE HAS BEEN DEALING WITH WITH THE ISRAELI-GAZA CONFLICT HE IS ON TOP OF THAT.

HE IS ON TOP OF ALL THESE THINGS.

I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE FOUR YEARS AFTER THAT.

BECAUSE THAT GUY HAD A DOCTOR WHO LIED.

HE WON'T TELL US WHAT -- HE WILL TELL US WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO AND IT'S ALL BAD.

BUT HE IS A GREAT PERFORMER.

WHAT THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT EXCEPT FOR THE DOCTORS OVER HERE WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE DIAGNOSIS IS, IT'S ABOUT PERFORMANCE.

AND HE PERFORMS THE JOB AS PRESIDENT GREAT.

NOW, WHETHER HE'S GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE OR THE BEST NOMINEE IS A WHOLE SEPARATE QUESTION.

HE IS THE NOMINEE NOW.

PRESUMPTIVE.

>> Renee: PRESUMPTIVE.

>> AND HE HAS THE VOTES.

BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A WIDER DISCUSSION IN THIS ORBIT.

HE HAS HIS FAMILY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN THIS WORLD.

BUT HE'S ALSO GOT THIS CLOSE ADVISERS AND I WORRY THAT MAYBE THEY ARE A LITTLE TOO CLOSE.

SO HE SHOULD EXPAND THAT GROUP AND HE CAN EASILY.

THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE HIS GOOD FRIENDS WHO CARE AS MUCH ABOUT THIS COUNTRY AS HE DOES, AND WE DO, AND WILL GIVE GOOD ADVICE TO ALLOW HIM TO DECIDE WHAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS.

>> Renee: IT SEEMS LIKE HE HAS DECIDED HE'S DIGGING HIS HEELS IN FURTHER.

>> LET ME FINISH MY SENTENCE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

EVERYBODY WE'VE EVER KNOWN IN POLITICS IS RUNNING, RUNNING, RUNNING, UNTIL THE DAY THEY'RE NOT.

I THINK WHEN TAKING THOSE DECLARE ACTIVE SENTENCES WHICH ARE VERY SPECIFIC I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER HE WILL DO WHAT HE THINKS IS RIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS STOPPING DONALD TRUMP FROM HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT HE DIDN'T DO.

>> Renee: AND YOU LEFT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO CHANGE HIS MIND AND NOT SEEK THE NOMINATION.

>> I LEAVE THAT OPEN.

>> THE THING THAT IS CONCERNING THERE SEEMS TO BE EVEN WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN MIXED MESSAGING.

HE GOES INTO A CLOSED ROOM OF DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS AND SAYS█ I NEED TO SLEEP MORE, I NEED TO HAVE FEWER EVENTS AFTER 8:00 P.M. >> HE GOES AS EARLY TO BED AS GEORGE W. BUSH DID.

>> AND WOKE UP AT 5:00 A.M. AND WAS RARING TO GO I WORKED FOR THE MAN.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU ARE FEELING THAT WAY, THAT YOU NEED THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WHERE YOU CANNOT GUARDRAILS FOR PROBABLY THE MOST DEMANDING JOB IN THE WORLD, THEN ARE YOU UP TO TASK?

WHENEVER HE IS ASKED ABOUT DO YOU FEEL GOOD COME JANUARY YOU DON'T DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP?

HE SAYS IF I'VE GIVEN IT MY ALL MY GOODEST THEN I WILL BE OKAY WITH THAT.

BUT IF THE TRUE GOAL IS TO PRESERVE DEMOCRACY, IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS HE THE BEST SHOT?

WHAT IS REALLY THE OBJECTIVE HERE?

IS IT FOR HIM TO STAY AS PRESIDENT?

OR IS IT THE BEST SHOT AT WHO CAN BEAT DONALD TRUMP?

AND HE BELIEVES HE IS.

BUT THEN ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT HE CANNOT DO THINGS AT LEAST AT THE LEVEL THAT HE HAS BEEN DOING [ALL TALKING AT ONCE] >> HE NEVER ONCE SAID THAT.

MAYBE I NEED TO GO TO BED EARLIER LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH AND BE ABLE TO START OUT THE DAY AND GET DONE WHAT I NEED TO GET DONE.

>> THERE WAS A PROCESS IN PLACE TO HAVE THE ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FITNESS FOR DONALD TRUMP TO SERVE IN OFFICE AND IT'S CALLED A PRIMARY.

AND HE AND THE PARTY RIGGED THE PROCESS.

THEY CHANGED DATES THEY PUSHED PEOPLE AROUND THEY RIGGED THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE HE DID NOT GET A SERIOUS CHALLENGE.

>> COME ON, TRES THAT IS INHERENTLY FALSE.

IF WE WANT TO PLAY TALKING POINTS OR HAVE A CONVERSATION IT IS A DIFFERENT SHOW THAN "COMMENT ON KENTUCKY".

WE CAN DO THAT.

THE CLEARLY, THE PARTY WAS -- THE PRESIDENT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IF HE DIDN'T WANT TO RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM HE COULD HAVE SAID THAT HE COULD HAVE DONE THAT.

HE CLEARLY FELT LIKE AND HE CONTINUES TO FIELD LIKE HE IS THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB THAT HE CAN MOVE FORWARD HE HAS MORE WORK TO BE DONE AND HE CAN DO THAT.

IF THERE WERE OTHER DEMOCRATS WHO WANTED TO RUN THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT SHY WE ARE NOT THE PARTY THAT FALLS IN LINE BEHIND ONE PARTICULAR CANDIDATE OR ANOTHER.

WE CONSTANTLY HAVE INFIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER.

BUT IN THIS CASE PEOPLE SAW WHAT THE STORY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND SAID LOOK WE'RE WITH YOU JOE, WE BELIEVE IN YOU AND COUNTED YOU OUT BEFORE WE'RE COUNTING YOU OUT NOW.

NOW WHAT THIS HAS DONE -- AND IF YOU STOP AND LOOK AT IT WHEN YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY AND LOOKING AT EACH ALL THE INCUMBENT PRESIDENTS WHEN THEY FIRST GET BACK INTO THE SADDLE IN TERMS OF CAMPAIGNING BECAUSE YOU ARE SPENDING THE FIRST THREE YEARS IN OFFICE AS A PRESIDENT YOU ARE FOCUSED ON BEING PRESIDENT.

THERE IS A DIFFERENT MUSCLE MEMORY THAT TAKES PLACE TO BE A CANDIDATE TO WHERE SO IT TAKES A MINUTE TO GET BACK INTO THAT.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THIS EARLY GOING BACK TO WHY DO YOU SCHEDULE A DEBATE EARLY IF YOU HAVE A GREAT PERFORMANCE IT'S GREAT.

IF YOU HAVE A BAD ONE YOU HAVE TIME TO RECOVER FROM IT.

>> MAYBE A ROBUST PRIMARY WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO BIDEN THESE PROBLEMS WOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED IN JANUARY.

>> AND IT'S CANCELED THEIR PRIMARIES.

>> [INAUDIBLE] WE CAN PLAY THAT GAME AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO.

BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MOVE TO GO FORWARD AND WHAT I SEE AT LEAST IN TERMS OF MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WHAT THE VOTERS AREN'T FOCUSED ON THIS RACE.

BACK IN THE GREEN ROOM IF YOU AND I WE WERE BEING HONEST WITH THE CAMERAS BEING ON DID EITHER ONE OF US WATCH THAT DEBATE WHEN IT WAS LIVE?

NO.

>> I WAS AT THE BEACH.

>> WE WERE AT THE BEACH.

I RESPECTIVE BEACHES AND WE'RE POLITICAL JUNKIES UP HERE.

I SAY THAT AND I PUT ALL THIS IN THE CONTEXT, YES THIS IS THE SOUP DU IS YOUR RIGHT NOW.

WHEN DONALD TRUMP NAMES HIS VICE-PRESIDENT CANDIDATE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT VERSUS THIS.

>> AND WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.

BECAUSE IT IS A CONTEST.

REMEMBER THE GOVERNOR'S WHO WANTED TO GET HELP ON COVID HAD TO BE NICE TO DONALD TRUMP?

WELL, THAT'S HOW YOU ARE GOING TO GET TO BE VICE-PRESIDENT UNDER DONALD TRUMP IS JUST SHOW HIM YOU LOVE HIM THE MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE LOVES HIM.

THAT IS WHAT GOVERNORS OF OUR STATES HAD TO DO TO GET HELP WITH THEIR COVID PROBLEM IN 2000 >> Renee: YESTERDAY ACTUALLY, A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN JAMES COMER, THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT WHO HEADS THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SAID HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM BIDEN'S DOCTOR.

LISTEN TO THIS FROM NEWS MAX.

>> MY BELIEF IS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS JOE BIDEN HAS NOT BEEN CALL THE SHOT.

I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE-OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

HE HASN'T BEEN CALLING THE SHOTS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO HAS.

PEOPLE SAID OBAMA WAS CALLING THE SHOTS SUSAN RICE.

BUT FROM OUR BOARD I BELIEVE IT IS A SELECT FEW PEOPLE THAT REALLY AREN'T THAT WELL-KNOWN THAT ARE PULLING THE STRINGS.

YOU'VE GOT DAVID ALEX ROD AND JAMES CAR VEL WARNING FOR A YEAR THIS WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE THAT JOE BIDEN'S MENTAL HEALTH WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD NOT TOLERATE A CANDIDATE WOULD THEY OVERWHELMINGLY BELIEVE IS NOT FIT FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.

I THINK THAT NOTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE.

ONE THING I AM CONFIDENT KAMALA HARRIS ISN'T CALLING THE SHOTS.

SHE IS STUCK IN SOME CORNER FACING THE WALL.

SHE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY.

YOU WILL SEE ALL TYPES OF INFIGHTING GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES WITH THE HARRIS PEOPLE AND THE BIDEN PEOPLE.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, JOE BIDEN HASN'T BEEN CALLING THE SHOTS FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND IN HIS OWN ADMINISTRATION.

>> Renee: RESPOND, TRES?

>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I DO BELIEVE I'M SURE THE CONGRESSMAN SHARE THE CONGRESSMAN'S CONCERNS THAT THE MEDICAL REPORTS GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC MAY NOT BE FULL.

I DON'T THINK THEY ARE LYING BUT MAYBE IT'S LYING BY OMISSION.

THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT ARE NOT PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

>> Renee: AND WE DON'T KNOW THE EFFICACY OF DONALD TRUMP EITHER?

>> WE DON'T.

BUT HE IS NOT SERVING AS PRESIDENT.

IF YOU HAVE A MEDICAL WORK UP AND THEY RELEASE THE REPORTS IT'S RIGHT FOR THE PRESIDENTS.

I PUT IT ON THE WHITE HOUSE, ARE THEY BEING HONEST WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE PRESIDENT?

AND I THINK THAT IS IN THE PURVIEW OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE TO ASK THAT QUESTION IS THE WHITE HOUSE BEING HONEST AS THE HEALTH OF THIS PRESIDENT AND ABILITY TO SERVE IN OFFICE.

>> THEY HAVE RELEASED RHEAUMES OF INFORMATION.

>> DID YOU WATCH THE PRESS CONFERENCE?

>> YOU SHOULD WATCH IT.

I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO OFFER THIS OPINION IT WAS CLASSIC GOTCHA POLITICS MESSING WITH THE POOR PRESS SECRETARY TO BEAT HER UP BECAUSE THEY HAVE RELEASED MORE MEDICAL INFORMATION THAN DONALD TRUMP DID BY A COUNTRY MILE.

AND IT WAS ALL REAL AND HONEST.

IT WASN'T SOME LETTER THAT DONALD TRUMP DICTATED.

DONALD TRUMP'S DOCTORS SAY HE WAS GOING TO LIVE TO BE 200.

DONALD TRUMP COULDN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME, Dr. RONNY JOHNSON IT'S RONNY JACKSON.

BUT TRUMP DOES THIS SO MUCH THAT IT'S NOT NEWS AND HERE JOE BIDEN AS A BAD INTERVIEW AND A BAD DEBATE, AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> Renee: REBECCA?

>> PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD ONE REAL OBJECTIVE AND THAT WAS TO CONVINCE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT HE WAS FIT AND ABLE TO SERVE ANOTHER TERM.

HE DID NOT GIVE US THAT REASSURANCE IN THAT DEBATE.

THAT IS JUST WHAT HAPPENED.

AND DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE, YOU CAN SAY BAD NIGHT, WHATEVER, BUT THAT ACTUAL OBJECTIVE THAT WAS THE REASON IT WAS CALLED.

HE HAD ONE MISSION AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND YOU SAW PEOPLE REALLY IN SHOCK.

AND DISTRESS AND SADNESS IN MANY WAYS.

IT WAS HE A DID WATCH THE DEBATES I WATCHED THEM LIVE I WASN'T AT THE BEACH.

SADLY.

I WAS WATCHING.

AND WATCHING THEM GO AFTER EACH OTHER ABOUT THE GOLF GAME AND THAT WAS FUN.

>> BECAUSE YOU GUY LIES ABOUT WINNING TOURNAMENTS.

I MEAN, COME ON?

>> HE DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WAS SETTING OUT TO DO AND YES YOU CAN HAVE A BAD NIGHT BUT EVERY EVENT AFTER THOSE HE CONTINUES TO SAY THINGS AND DO THINGS THAT CALL INTO MORE QUESTION.

IT'S NOT LIKE HERE WE ARE I REALLY WAS SICK.

WE ALL HUMAN.

WE ARE ALL FALLIBLE WE ALL ERR BUT WHEN YOU KEEP DOING IT AND YOU DON'T REGROUP TO THAT PLACE HE IS NOT GOING TO GET YOUNGER.

>> Renee: AND NEITHER IS PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO IS FOUR YEARS YOUNGER.

>> THREE.

>> BUT, NO.

THERE IS A TRAJECTORY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GET BETTER WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR ALL OF US?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER LET'S BE HONEST WHAT THIS ELECTION IS.

THERE ARE ALMOST 2.2% OF AMERICANS WHO ARE UNSURE ABOUT THE DEBATES.

THE MINDS ARE MADE UP.

THIS IS ABOUT, I GET FRUSTRATED WITH THE NATIONAL POLLS.

WHO CARES ABOUT THE NATIONAL POLLS THIS ELECTION WILL BE DECIDED BY ABOUT 50-100,000 PEOPLE IN SWING STATES AND IT'S NOT WHO THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR IT'S ARE THEY GOING TO VOTE?

THEY KNOW IF THEY ARE VOTING FOR BIDEN OR TRUMP.

THE QUESTION IS WILL THEY SHOW UP?

IF THERE'S DOUBTS ABOUT BIDEN'S ABILITY TO DO THE JOB, THAT WILL HURT DEMOCRAT TURNOUT AND THAT IS WHAT ELECTS DONALD TRUMP.

BIDEN'S INABILITY TO PUT THIS JEANNE BACK IN THE BOTTLE IT'S NOT CONVINCING PEOPLE IF HE CAN DO THE JOB IT'S CONVINCING DEMOCRATS TO GET OUT AND VOTE ON ELECTION DAY AND ANYTHING THAT DEPRESSES THAT VOTE PROBABLY SWINGS THE ELECTION.

YOU ARE TALKING A NARROW MARGIN HERE.

>> I COULDN'T AGREE WITH TRES MORE ON THAT POINT.

THE ADD DAMAGE WE HAD IN LAW SCHOOL TAKING YOUR LITIGATION CLASSES WAS IF YOU HAVE THE FACTS YOU PILE ON THE FACTS.

IF YOU HAVE THE LAW, YOU POUND ON THE LAW.

IF YOU HAVE NEITHER YOU POUND ON THE TABLE.

RIGHT NOW, ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THERE'S POUNDING ON THE TABLE.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACTS IN TERMS OF HOW THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN PROGRESSING AS IT RELATES TO THE ECONOMY AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON.

COMING OUT OF COVID.

PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB.

>> Renee: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ALBATROSS THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN COULD BE ON CONGRESSIONAL FOLKS.

HAKIM JEFFERIES IS RADIO SILENT FOR LOTS OF REASONS?

>> DON'T TAKE SILENCE AS LIKE A WEAKNESS.

>> Renee: I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.

BUT THERE'S CALCULUS GOING ON THERE, CORRECT?

HOW MUCH OF A LIABILITY IS HE TO CONGRESSIONAL POWER?

I MEAN, IT MAY BE ONE THING TO SACRIFICE THE WHITE HOUSE BUT YOUALITY LEAST WANT CONTROL OF ONE OF THE CHAMBERS?

>> HE, I THINK, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS I REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT 2020 AND THE RED WAVE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING BECAUSE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS AN ALBATROSS AROUND DEMOCRAT'S NECKS AND WE PICKED UP SEATS AND WE WON CONTROL OF THE SENATE.

AND THEN IF YOU ARE GO CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, YOU HAVE PLACES WHERE RIGHT NOW THE PRESIDENT IS BEHIND SOME OF THE SENATE AND CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES THAT ARE ON THE BALLOT.

WHY IS THAT?

WELL, RIGHT NOW THE UNDER CURRENT THAT IS GOING THROUGH ALL OF OUR POLLING DATA THAT IS OUT THERE IS PEOPLE ARE JUST MAD.

AND YOU ASK THEM WHY ARE THEY MAD?

THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHY THEY'RE MAD BUT THEY'RE MAD.

AND MAD THE ECONOMY IS THIS AND INFLATION IS THAT AND WHO IS DOING THIS?

WHO IS CAUSING INFLATION?

I DON'T KNOW BUT WHOEVER THE PERSON.

>> Renee: THE GUY IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS DOING THAT.

BUT POLICYMAKERS AND IN OFFICE THERE'S MORE THAT GOES INTO IT THAN JUST WHO IS SITTING THERE IN THE OFFICE AT PRESIDENT.

AS A PRESIDENT, YOU WILL GET A LOT OF BLAME FOR SOME THINGS.

AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT GET THE CREDIT FOR THE GOOD.

TO SAY AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT HOUSE AND SENATE RACES AROUND THE COUNTRY, I WOULD SAY IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TO BEING LOCAL AND HOW THINGS ARE GOING IN YOUR STATE AND HOW ARE YOU MESSAGING AND PRESENTING YOURSELF AS A CANDIDATE AND NOT ABOUT WHO IS SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> Renee: I WANT TO TAKE STOCK OF THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE IN, THOUGH.

IT IS HISTORICAL.

I MEAN, TRUMAN, LBJ ASIDE IT WAS NOT IN JULY OR AUGUST THAT YOU WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE THE SITTING PRESIDENT NOT RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

THIS IS MAJOR STUFF HERE.

>> IT'S TERRITORY.

AND TO TRES' POINT, ONE IN FOUR AMERICAN VOTERS ARE WHAT IS CALLED DOUBLE HATERS.

THEY DON'T LIKE TRUMP AND THEY DON'T LIKE BIDEN.

TO YOUR POINT.

AS TRES SAID WHO IS GOING TO SHOW UP TO VOTE?

WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT DEBATE?

IN ONE IN FOUR WERE THAT WAY BEFORE THE DEBATE WHAT DO THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE NOW AND HOW DID THE DEBATE HELP OR HINDER EITHER ONE?

I'M SURE IT TURNED OFF SOME DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT BUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AND THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO ASK.

WHEN YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT DOWN THE LINE WHO CONTROLS THE CHAMBERS IF YOU'VE GOT ONE OUT OF FOUR STAYING HOME FROM VOTING THAT IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT.

>> YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT HAKIM JEFFERIES.

AND WHAT IS HE DOING?

HE IS LISTENING.

>> Renee: THAT'S HIS JOB TO BE A CONVENER.

>> THAT IS WHAT LEGISLATIVE LEADER'S JOB IS AND THAT IS WHAT HE'S DOING AND WE'LL KNOW A LOT MORE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS WHAT HE IS HEARING.

BECAUSE REMEMBER.

>> Renee: THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BIG MEETING TODAY THAT WAS POSTPONED IN THE SENATE?

>> THEY ARE HAVING THEIR CAUCUS.

I CAN'T SWEAR THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.

>> I THINK I SAW WE ARE AT THE THREE NOW SWING DISTRICT DEMOCRAT INCUMBENTS WHO JUMPED OFF BIDEN CALLED FOR A REPLACEMENT.

THE SWING DISTRICT DEMOCRATS THE ONES THAT NEED TO PICK UP OR HELD ON TOO TIGHTLY IN 2022, THOSE CANDIDATES ARE JUMPING OFF THE SHIP.

WHICH TELLS YOU SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE THAT CAUCUS IS GOING.

>> JUMPING OFF THE SHIP IS DRAMATIC.

THEY ARE SAYING THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD THAT BE OUR NOMINEE.

>> I WILL GIVE YOU.

BUT FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PERSPECTIVE, AND IT WILL BE THE SAME THING FOR ANY OTHER HEAD OF THE PARTY INDIVIDUAL, THEY WILL TELL YOU IF IT BENEFITS FOR YOU TO BE FOR YOU IF IT'S BETTER FOR ME TO BE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE I STILL WANT YOU TO WIN YOUR RACE.

THE SECOND POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE QUICKLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHO IS PAYING ATTENTION LIKE SEEING WHAT IS HAPPENING AFTER THE DEBATE ALL THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD HERE POST DEBATE HAS BEEN ON PRESIDENT BIDEN'S PERFORMANCE.

WHEN YOU GET INTO THE POLLING DATA IN THE SWING STATES TRES GOING BACK TO THE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW FEW PEOPLE WILL DECIDE THIS RACE, AND IT WON'T BE THE POPULAR VOTE MORE ABOUT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE BUT THAT IS THE FOR THE CIVICS LESSON AFTER THE SHOW WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT THAT DATA IS SHOWING THE GAP BETWEEN TRUMP AND BIDEN IS NARROWING AND CERTAIN PENNSYLVANIA IT WAS THE ONLY STATE TO WHERE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAD A LEAD AND IT WENT THE OTHER WAY.

BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE IT'S SHRINKING AND THAT IS IN LARGE PART BECAUSE THE VOTERS THAT WILL DECIDE THIS THE INDEPENDENT VOTERS THOSE ARE THE ONES MOVING -- THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING AND SAYING I DON'T LIKE WHAT I WOULD GET OUT OF A SECOND TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

I'LL STICK WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION GOING FORWARD.

>> Renee: LET'S TALK ABOUT A PERSPECTIVE SECOND DONALD TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

AND THIS GOES TO THE THIS PROJECT 2025.

>> DISAVOWED BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

>> Renee: THAT IS MY QUESTION.

NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT PROJECT 2025 IS ABOUT.

WHAT IS IT AND DOES TRUMP IS HE FOR IT OR AGAINST IT?

>> IT IS A BRANCH OF THE HERITAGE INSTITUTE THAT COME UP WITH A LIST OF THINGS THEY WANT TO DO.

SOME OF IT.

>> Renee: 1792 EXCHANGE WHICH DANIEL CAMERON RUNS IS A PARTNER IN THAT?

>> SOMEWHAT CAME OUT WITH THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM AND SOME DOES NOT JOE BIDEN WITH IT.

>> Renee: LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS.

SO WHAT ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT IT WANTS TO UNDO OR POWER IT WANTS TO TAKE CONTROL OF WHEN IT COMES TO EXECUTIVE BRANCH?

>> THE BIG THING IT WANTS TO DO SCHEDULE F LIKE IT WANTS THE POWER TO MONKEY AROUND WITH FEDERAL EMPLOYEES A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK IT'S LEGALLY QUESTIONABLE WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE ACHIEVABLE.

>> Renee: DOES IT AFFECT HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES?

THE ABORTION PILL?

>> GETTING RID OF THE ABORTION PILL THAT IS ONE OF THIS.

DISMANTLING THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IS ANOTHER.

TRES' POINT TRUMP DISAVOWED IT.

>> DON'T KEEP SAYING HE HAS DONE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IS A LIE THAT IS NOT FAIR.

>> I WAS A DOCTOR EARLIER ARE YOU A TRUMP ADVISER?

>> I'M NOT SAYING TRUMP [INAUDIBLE] [ALL TALKING AT ONCE] AND TODAY WHAT I WILL SAY IS THE RNC COMES OUT WITH LOSING ABORTION POSITIONS AS THE NATIONAL PARTY TAG LINE AND THAT IS CRAFTED IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF TRUMP.

>> ON THIS ABORTION ON HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TREATED, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TREATED THE ABORTION QUESTION PURELY AS A POLITICAL ISSUE.

HE HAS SAID PUBLICLY IT WILL HURT US IF WE'RE TOO PRO-LIFE.

HE HAS NO BASIC VALUES.

WE KNOW THAT.

BUT I HAVE A BASIC VALUE WHICH IS A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE MADE TO CARRY TO TERM HER UNCLE R KELL'S BABY OR HER RAPIST'S BABY AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO PUT THAT INTO LAW IF THEY ARE IN POWER.

>> Renee: TODAY THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT WITH THE RNC.

>> THAT'S THE RNC THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES LED BY THE PROBABLY THE MOST CONSERVATIVE ON THESE ISSUES SPEAKER WE'VE EVER HAD, IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO NOT HAVE HER RAPIST'S BABY.

>> Renee: OKAY.

WE KNOW THAT TODAY, WAS IT, THE RNC SAID THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PUSH FOR A NATIONAL BAN.

IT HAS TO BE FINALIZED NEXT WEEK DURING THE CONVENTION DOES THAT HAVE WEIGHT THAT THE RNC SAYS IT NOW?

IS IT A DONE DEAL?

>> IT DOES HAVE WEIGHT.

THEY ARE SEEING IT AND BY THAT, I MEAN RECENT POLLING, RECENT HERE IN KENTUCKY CONSTITUTIONAL PROPOSALS.

THAT ABORTION AND EXTREME FASHIONS PUTTING LIMITATIONS ON APPORTION IS A LOSING ISSUE.

AND I THINK A WATERSHED MOMENT FOR THE PARTY TO RECONCILE THAT AND SAY THIS IS NOT WORKING.

>> WHAT DO THEY BELIEVE?

WHAT DO THEY BELIEVE?

COME ON.

THIS ISN'T TRAFFIC LIGHT.

THIS ISN'T A SPEED LIMIT THIS IS A BASIC FUNDAMENTAL VALUE.

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

>> CAN I GO DEEPER IN TERMS OF LIKE I DON'T THINK WE DID A GOOD ENOUGH JOB EXPLAINING WHAT PROJECT 2025 IS.

IT COMES FROM THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION IS LIKE THE ORGANIZATION THAT IS HEADING THAT UP.

THERE IS A COALITION OF OVER 100 OTHER GROUPS THAT HAVE SIGNED ON TO IT.

THE TENET IS CREATING A 900 PAGE PLAYBOOK FOR A SECOND TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHEN YOU COME INTO OFFICE HERE'S THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.

HERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU CAN DO BY EXECUTIVE ORDER.

WHICH WOULD BE THINGS LIKE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO ROUNDUP ANYBODY WHO HASN'T GOTTEN LEGAL CITIZENSHIP YET WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU AND AUTOMATICALLY DEPORT YOU FROM THE UNITED STATES.

WHEN IT GOES BACK TO CONTRACEPTIVE ISSUES, THERE IS A VERY OLD STATUTE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T -- IT GOES BACK TO LIKE THE EARLY 1900'S WHERE IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T MAIL CONTRACEPTIVES IN THE MAIL.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PREGNANCY PREVENTING MEDICATION BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CONTRACEPTION AS WELL IF YOU TAKE THAT STATUTE OUT.

AND IT HAS TALKING ABOUT THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES, YOU TAKE IT'S TALKING ABOUT YOU HAVE YOUR MERIT EMPLOYEES OR NON-MERIT EMPLOYEES THE PLAN IS TO GET RID OF THE MERIT EMPLOYEES AND THEN ALLOW FOR THE PRESIDENT AND THE PRESIDENCY FOR THEN TO DECIDE WHO CAN BE IN OFFICE AND WHO CAN'T AND WHETHER OR NOT WHOLE AGENCIES WOULD REPORT TO A SECRETARY OR REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE PRESIDENT.

WHEN YOU TAKE THAT AND COUPLE IT WITH THE SUPREME COURT RULINGS THAT REVERSAL OF THE CHEVRON DOCTRINE IF SAYS IF YOU HAVE A REGULATION WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE AGENCIES TO DETERMINE WHAT DOES THIS REGULATION MEAN TO WRITE AND DETERMINE WHAT IT MEANS.

THAT POWER HAS GOTTEN TAKEN AWAY BY THE SUPREME COURT AND PUT INTO THE JUDICIARY.

NOW WE ARE ASKING JUDGES TO NOW BECOME EXPERTS ON CLIMATE, EXPERTS ON BIRTH CONTROL AND EXPERTS ON WATER QUALITY, TO BECOME EXPERTS ON MYRIAD OF ISSUES THAT LAST I CHECKED I DIDN'T TAKE A CLASS ON CHEMISTRY IN LAW SCHOOL.

SO THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE WHAT'S IN THAT PROJECT 2025.

THAT'S IN THERE.

SO IT IS A BROADER.

NOW, HAS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAVE THEY SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW IT?

THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE SAID LIKE HE SAID BEFORE THE HERITAGE GROUP FOUNDATION GAVE HIM SUGGESTIONS WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO THAT.

>> Renee: THERE ARE ALLIES IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN PART OF THAT.

>> HERITAGE FOUNDATION FOLKS WHO WORKED IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NOW BACK WITH THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION WILL GO BACK INTO A SECOND ONE.

FOR FOLKS WHO ARE WATCHING TONIGHT, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A FULLER PICTURE.

>> Renee: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

LET'S MOVE ON WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS COMING IN.

WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT A POSSIBLE REPLACEMENT FOR PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AND THE NAME OF GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR HAS SURFACED.

THIS FROM JEFF FROM CALDWELL COUNTY, WHAT DO RECENT EVENTS MEAN FOR THE PROFILE OF GOVERNOR BESHEAR NATIONALLY AND FOR THE COMMONWEALTH?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR GOVERNOR ANDY BESHEAR?

HE IS DOING OVERSEAS TRIPS AND BEEN IT THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> IT'S ALL GOOD FOR KENTUCKY IT'S GREAT TO HAVE KENTUCKY TALKED ABOUT IN THOSE TERMS.

AND IT'S GOOD FOR ANDY BESHEAR.

NOW, ANDY BESHEAR.

>> Renee: IS HE READY FOR NATIONAL PRIMETIME.

>> HE LOVES BEING GOVERNOR AND I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF HE DOES ANYTHING ELSE BUT TO CONTINUE HIS TERM AND RUN IT THROUGH.

HE LOVES BEING GOVERNOR AND HE'S BEEN A GREAT GOVERNOR ELECTED TWICE IN A STATE THAT DOESN'T ELECT ANY DEMOCRATS.

>> Renee: IS HE WORKING ON A BIOMEMOIR LIKE GRETCHEN WHITMER?

>> SHE ANNOUNCED SHE DOESN'T WANT TO BE IN THE RACE.

THE DELEGATES ARE ALL SET SO THEY WILL MAKE THE DECISION WHO THE NOMINEE SHOULD BE IF PRESIDENT BIDEN RELEASES HIS DELEGATES.

BUT I THINK WE'LL SEE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT WEEK AND FRANKLY IF I HAD TO BET, I THINK THE PRESIDENT BIDEN WILL PASS THE TORCH TO A NEW CANDIDATE.

>> Renee: I JUST WANT TO TAKE STOCK OF WHAT YOU SAID.

SO WE HAVE A DEMOCRAT FORMER CONGRESSMAN WHO SAYS HE'S GOING TO PASS THE TORCH.

>> AND WHO IS SOBER.

>> Renee: WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A TEST ON THAT.

OR A SOBRIETY TEST.

I WILL TAKE A SOBRIETY TEST AS SOON AS TRUMP TAKES THE STAND AND SAYS HIS STATEMENTS UNDER OATH.

>> Renee: WHO HE WILL PASS THE TORCH TO?

>> THAT IS NATURALLY THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

BUT THAT'S NOT SET IN STONE.

IT'S WE HAVE SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY.

GOVERNORS, SENATORS, CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN.

>> Renee: AT THIS LATE STAGE TO PULL THAT.

>> HERE'S THE THING I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE MISSING.

IS DAVID POINTED OUT AND WE TALKED ABOUT BEING AT THE BEACH DURING THE DEBATE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT PAYING THAT KIND OF ATTENTION.

AND FOR GOOD REASON.

THEY GOT A LIFE TO LEAD.

BUT WHEN A NEW NOMINEE IS MADE OR IS THIS PROCESS CONTINUES FOR JUST SIX WEEKS I THINK UNTIL THE CONVENTION STARTS.

>> Renee: AUGUST 19TH.

>> THE 21ST IS USUALLY THE BATTLING.

THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME FORWARD OR THE ONE PERSON IF IT'S VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS WILL BE REINTRODUCED TO THE COUNTRY IN A REALLY EXCITING AND DRAMATIC WAY AND PEOPLE WILL MAKE GET AN IMPRESSION.

>> THE BATTLING ON AUGUST 6TH.

>> FOR OHIO.

THAT IS UNDONE IT IS NOT HAPPENING.

>> I THINK REPRESENTATIVE JIM CLYBURN ONE IN SOUTH CAROLINA ONE OF PRESIDENT BIDEN'S STAUNCHEST SUPPORTERS HELPED HIM DELIVER THAT STATE IN THE PRIMARY IN 2020 BUT HE SAID AND OFFER THIS UP AS A HYPOTHETICAL, OF LET'S DO A MINI PRIMARY AHEAD OF THE CONVENTION SO THAT WHEN WE ROLL INTO THE CONVENTION, IF THIS WAS THE CASE THE PRESIDENT WERE TO STEP DOWN AND SAY I'M OUT.

THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD FAVOR SO THAT WE CAN GO INTO THE CONVENTION WITH SOMEBODY STRONG AND DO THE INTRODUCTION.

SO THAT IMPLODED.

THAT'S IMPLODED AS A POSSIBILITY.

>> HOW MUCH INFIGHTING THERE CAN BE INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY I DON'T SEE ANYWAY THE CONVENTION WILL GO WELL UNLESS IT'S VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS.

YOU WILL HAVE MASSIVE PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THE POTENTIAL CANDIDATE.

SHE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN MAKE IT THROUGH WITHOUT HONESTLY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY EMBARRASSING THEMSELVES ON TV.

I THINK KAMALA HARRIS ALMOST HAS TO GET IT.

AND HERE IS THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IF SHE RUNS AND IS A TERRIBLE CANDIDATE THAT CLEARS HER OUT FOR 28 AND YOU CAN START WITH THE NEW CANDIDATES IN 28.

YOU CLEAR HER OFF THE TABLE AHEAD OF TIME.

I THINK HARRIS LOGISTICALLY.

>> LET ME JUMP IN.

THANK YOU.

THERE IS A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE, I THINK ALL THIS CONJECTURE, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ON TV RIGHT NOW IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THINKING OUT LOUD WHICH CAN BE DANGEROUS I GO BACK TO HIGH HAKIM JEFFERIES REFERENCE BECAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T SAY NOTHING DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A SIGN FOR ANYTHING.

PRACTICALLY, IN THIS EXERCISE, KAMALA HARRIS WOULD BE THE NOMINEE MOVING FORWARD.

BECAUSE IT MAKES IT SIMPLER IN CAMPAIGN FINANCE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

GO BACK TO THE FLETCHER SCENARIO THAT WE'VE HAD HERE IN KENTUCKY WHEN BATES WAS THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CANDIDATE BUT IT WAS FOUND HE COULDN'T RUN SO IT CREATES CAMPAIGN FINANCE ISSUES.

SHE IS THE ONE WHO UNIFIES THE PARTY GOING BACK TO LEADER CLYBURN'S COMMENT HE WAS ASKED DIRECTLY IF PRESIDENT BIDEN IS NOT THE NOMINEE WHO WOULD IT BE?

HE SAID I'M SUPPORTING KAMALA HARRIS SHE HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE SLEEPING ON KAMALA HARRIS AS A CANDIDATE.

SHOULD SHE BE THE NOMINEE, BECAUSE I THINK SHE HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB AS VICE-PRESIDENT.

AND WILL PROVE HERSELF GOING FORWARD.

I THINK.

>> Renee: SOME PEOPLE SAID THAT IS DEBATABLE ON IMMIGRATION SHE FELL FLAT.

SHE HAS TAKEN UP THE MILL ON REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM BUT IS THAT ENOUGH?

>> I THINK SHE WILL BE FINE.

AGAIN, SHE SERVED HER PRESIDENT AND THE COUNTRY EXTREMELY WELL.

WE HAVE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP GETTING READY TO SELECT A NEW VICE-PRESIDENT BECAUSE HIS VICE-PRESIDENT, I GUESS WASN'T LOYAL ENOUGH TO HIM ON JANUARY 6TH.

AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT WE'LL PUT THAT ASIDE.

>> Renee: WHAT HAPPENS ON JULY 11TH.

TODAY IS THE 8TH?

SO THAT'S WHEN THE VERDICT COMES, THE SENTENCING.

>> I THOUGHT IT GOT PUSHED BACK.

>> PUSHED BACK TO SEPTEMBER.

>> THE VERDICT IS IN.

HE IS GUILTY.

>> THE SENTENCING.

>> Renee: HE IS GUILTY AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

EITHER HE DOESN'T KNOW THE TRUTH OR HE IS NOT WILLING IT TELL T HE COULD HAVE TESTIFIED.

I JUST I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT UP IN THE MORNING BEING FOR THAT GUY.

WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH WITH KAMALA HARRIS.

>> Renee: I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE AID THEY ARE FOR THAT GUY.

>> THEN THEY OWE SOMETHING TO THEIR COUNTRY TO SAY PUBLICLY THEY ARE NOT.

THIS IS WHAT SIDE ARE YOU ON?

>> I'VE NEVER VOTED FOR HIM.

I SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND I WILL WORK MY BUTT OFF FOR THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

I AM AGAINST JOE BIDEN, YES.

>> KAMALA HARRIS.

WHAT YOU WILL SEE, THOUGH, IS I DON'T THINK PEOPLE HAVE VERY FIRM OPINIONS ON HER AT ALL.

I THINK THEY KNOW SHE IS VICE-PRESIDENT.

AND SHE WILL BE INTRODUCED ANEW.

TO BLAME HER FOR IMMIGRATION, REMEMBER IT WAS DONALD TRUMP WHO TOLD THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE IN WASHINGTON DO NOT PASS THIS BILL THAT THE REPUBLICANS CAME UP WITH.

SENATOR LANGFORD OF OKLAHOMA CAME U.

>> WE CAN GO BACK TO OBAMA SAYING DO NOT PASS THE BILL.

BOTH PARTIES HAVE CULPABILITY IN THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEMS WE HAVE.

>> GOING BACK TO RON WAS THE LAST CONGRESS PERSON TO PUT A PIECE TOGETHER TO WHERE WE'VE [ALL TALKING AT ONCE] >> REMEMBER MILLARD FILL MORE.

>> AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HAVING THE CONVENTION IN CHICAGO?

CHICAGO IS A LOVELY CITY.

[ALL TALKING AT ONCE] AGAIN, I GO BACK TO YOU.

WE ARE A VERY LOVING FAMILY IN THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.

SO WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

AND WE MAY HASH OUT OUR DIFFERENCES.

WE MAY DO IT IN PUBLIC.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU COME AFTER THE FAMILY, WE WILL RALLY TOGETHER AND WE WILL TRY TO WORK TOGETHER AS ONE.

>> Renee: EVEN IF THE FAMILY FALLS APART AND THE LEADER SAYS I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE?

EVEN IN THE PATRIARCH OF THE FAMILY SAYS I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE AND STEPS ASIDE ALL OF THAT RALLYING WOULD HAVE BEEN IN VAIN.

>> NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT YESTERDAY.

>> Renee: THAT IS A GOOD ONE, MIKE.

>> AND IT IS.

IT'S ABOUT OUR COUNTRY'S FUTURE.

68, I WAS THERE.

NOT AT THE CONVENTION BUT I WAS PAYING ATTENTION.

AND IT WAS SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW.

THIS COUNTRY WAS TRULY BEING CLEAVED IN TWO.

AND WE SURVIVED IT.

NOW, WE HAVE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS BEING CLEAVED IN TWO IS WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS BEING CLEAVED IN TWO OVER THE WAR.

NOW WE'VE GOT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TOGETHER ON VIRTUALLY EVERY ISSUE.

THERE ARE THINGS AROUND THE MARGINS.

>> THE DEMOCRAT I'M MOST SCARED OF IS ABSOLUTELY UNNOMINATABLE FOR THE DEMOCRATS WHICH IS JOSH SPA PETITION ROW THE GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA.

WHY?

HE IS JEWISH.

THERE IS A ZERO PERCENT CHANCE THAT THIS DEMOCRATIC PARTY TODAY.

>> WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU BASE THAT ON?

>> THE 20-30% VOTING AGAINST JOE BIDEN IN PRIMARIES IN PROTESTS OVER THE WAR IN ISRAEL.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS DEFINITELY DIVIDED ON ISRAEL.

>> BUT TO COMPARE IT TO '68 IS JUST HYPERBOLE.

>> HE WOULD BE THE GUY AS A REPUBLICAN THAT I WOULD BE MOST FRIGHTENED OF ELECTORALLY I THINK JOSH SPA PETITION ROW.

>> YOU SHOULD BE FRIGHTENED OF ANYBODY THAT YOU CANNOT PAINT WITH THE BRUSHES THAT YOU ARE PAINTING POOR JOE BIDEN WITH.

>> THEN NOMINATE SOMEBODY BETTER THEN.

>> I THINK WE WILL.

>> Renee: WE KNOW PRESIDENT BIDEN'S FAVORABLES ARE IN THE TANK.

30% APPROVAL RATING THE GROUP HE NEEDS MOST OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOME HAVE GONE WAYWARD FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

THE YOUNG VOTE HE IS NOT ABLE TO CAPTURE.

WHO IS IT THAT IS IN HIS CORNER OTHER THAN THE MAINSTREAM PARTY DIEHARDS?

AND IS THAT ENOUGH TO GET HIM ELECTED?

>> IF HE IS OUR NOMINEE WE ARE ALL IN HIS CORNER BECAUSE THE OPPOSITE THE ALTERNATIVE IS REMEMBER HE -- SEE.

EVEN I -- >> IT'S GETTING LATE.

>> Renee: HE IS LOSING FAVOR WITH AFRICAN-AMERICANS.

>> I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.

>> Renee: WITH THE POLLING THAT SHOWS HE IS LOSING GROUND?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE SAME POLLING THAT HAD HIM LOSING IN 2020 ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL ELECTION DAY AND THEN THE SAME POLLING THAT SHOWED HILLARY CLINTON IS GOING TO WIN IN '16.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING THE BASE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SOLIDLY WITH THE PRESIDENT AND IN LARGE PART THAT IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE.

BECAUSE WE MAKEUP 17% OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

THE EXTREME RIGHT END MAX THE MAGA WING OF THE PARTY THE BASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS 20%.

AND THEN EVERYBODY IS LIKE WE'RE FIGHTING OVER THE OTHER 60% THAT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.

RIGHT NOW IN JULIET YOU HAVE PEOPLE SAYING I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE I HAVE ONE OF MY KIDS THAT WILL SAY NO BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE IT'S NO.

SO I DON'T READ INTO THAT RIGHT IN IN JULY.

AS WE'RE GOING FORWARD AND AS THINGS START TO CRYSTALLIZE AND THESE ARE THE REAL ISSUES BEFORE US.

THIS IS REALLY WHAT CAN HAPPEN.

THIS IS WHAT REALLY IS HAPPENING AS IT RELATES TO JUDICIAL APPOINTMENTS AND SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS AND COMING OUT OF THIS 6-3 SUPREME COURT THAT GOT APPOINTED BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T THINK THAT ELECTIONS MATTERED SO WE CAN PUT ANYBODY IN OFFICE AND THEN EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO BE FINE.

AS PEOPLE START TO PAY ATTENTION IS WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE STARTING TO COMING BACK.

IS IT SOMETHING TO PAY ATTENTION TO?

YES.

BUT WORRIED ABOUT RIGHT NOW, NO.

>> Renee: WHO ARE THE VICE-PRESIDENT PROSPECTS FOR DONALD TRUMP.

>> DOUGBURG RUM THE GOVERNOR OF NORTH DAKOTA, TIM SCOTT, MARCO RUBIO, TOM COTTON.

>> Renee: WHO IS THE STRONGEST?

[INAUDIBLE].

>> THEY ARE ALL WILLING TO HAVE A MOB SENT ON THEM BY DONALD TRUMP THOUGH?

>> YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM, MIKE.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I MEAN, IF YOU FOLLOW THE BETTING MARKETS NOT THAT THOSE ARE ACCURATE BUT THE ODDS OF DOUG BURR RUM HADBURG RUM HAD BEEN INCREASING.

>> Renee: WHAT DOES HE BRING TO THE TICKET?

>> HERE IS THE THING.

NO ONE'S EVER SAID I LIKE THAT GUY BUT AS VICE-PRESIDENT I HAVE TO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT MUCH.

THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU GET ALONG WITH THE NOMINEE AND BE A SOLDIER FOR THEM IN THE ELECTION?

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AT LEAST SOME FOLKS IN THE TRUMP ORBIT THAT BELIEVE HE WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE SURROGATE FOR HIM ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

I THINK SOMEBODY LIKE WANT TO BUILD FOR THE FUTURE, SOMEBODY LIKE CITY HALL PLAZA COTTON I WISH HE WOULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT HONESTLY.

I THINK HE IS A RISING STAR AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TIM SCOTT HE BRINGS SOME DIVERSITY TO THE TICKET OBVIOUSLY.

HE'S GOT PULL IN THE SUN BELT AREA.

FUNDRAISING CHOPS FOR HIM FOR PRESIDENT THERE ARE SEVERAL STRONG CANDIDATES OUT THERE.

>> I THINK WHAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON EVERYONE, IS THAT WE NEED A GENERATIONAL CHANGE IN BOTH PARTIES IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP AND AGE AND THE CANDIDATES THAT WE'RE RUN AND.

FOR THE PARTIES TO MOVE FORWARD AND BRING UP THE GENERATION ALLEYEDERS YOU NEED ONE OF THE TWO PARTIES TO TAKE A BUTT WHOPPING SO YOU CAN HAVE THAT FIGHT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF THE PARTY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

YOU CANNOT DO IT WHEN YOU HOLD THE WHITE HOUSE, BECAUSE YOU GOT TO LEAD.

SO I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES WE'RE STUCK IN THE SPOT WHERE ONE OF THE TWO PARTIES SHOULD BE CHANGING AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WILL CHANGE BUT WE'RE STUCK IN THAT LIMBO RIGHT NOW.

>> LET ME POINT OUT ANOTHER THING.

I THINK IF I'M BEING PHILOSOPHICAL ABOUT THIS AS WELL.

PART IS THE CLIMATE WE ARE IN THE POLITICAL CLIMATE WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, IS ONE WHERE IT IS FORCING GOOD PEOPLE TO DECIDE NOT TO RUN.

>> BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE I MEAN, I WILL -- >> IT'S HARD TO RECRUIT CANDIDATES.

>> YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SUBJECTING YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY TO.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION HERE EARLIER ABOUT WELL, PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD PUT HIS HEALTH RECORDS UP FOR DEBATE.

WHO AMONG US IS READY TO OWN KET TONIGHT TO GO HERE IS MY MEDICAL RECORD.

LET ME PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY?

>> I WOULD DO IT.

>> I'M CLEAN.

>> RIGHT.

RIGHT.

EVERYBODY SO WE SHOULD DO THAT NOR EVERYBODY AS PART OF YOUR FILING FEE AND HERE IS YOUR MEDICAL RECORDS.

>> WE CAN AGREE THAT THE EXPECTATIONS ON CANDIDATES AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND THEIR FAMILIES.

IT'S AWFUL.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY AWFUL.

[INAUDIBLE].

>> NO.

>> YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND I'VE BEEN THERE.

>> THAT'S WHY I -- I SAY WHAT I SAY.

IS THAT I SAY THAT BECAUSE IS BECAUSE IT IS EASY FOR FOLKS.

>> I AGREE.

>> WHO HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE ARENA TO THEN TAKE SHOTS AT FOLKS SAY THIS, SAY THAT, BEHIND BEHIND OUR HIDE BEHIND OUR TWITTER ACCOUNTS AND SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO AND THEN UNTIL SUBJECT YOURSELF TO THAT SAME LEVEL OF SCRUTINY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO I THINK WE IN THIS COUNTRY, PERHAPS IN THE WORLD HAVE LOST EMPATHY TO BE ABLE TO SAY IF I PUT MYSELF IN THAT OTHER PERSON'S SHOES HOW DO I WANT SOMEBODY TO TREAT ME?

>> I'VE PROBABLY TALKED MORE CANDIDATES OUT OF RUNNING THAN INTO RUNNING.

ALSO ONE LAST, I THINK THE ONE THING WE LOOK THOUGH IS PEOPLE SAY NEGATIVE PEOPLE USE NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT MOVES VOTES.

OUR POLITICIANS AND POLITICS ARE A REFLECTION OF US.

THEY ARE REFLEX I HAVE TO WHAT MOVES THE VOTERS.

IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN ABOUT THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE AIR OF POLITICS, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT YOURSELF.

>> Renee: 20 SECONDS.

>> JUST REMEMBER WE STILL HAVE THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WHERE WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS.

OPEN CONVERSATIONS.

AND WE SHOULD THANK OUR LUCKY STARS THAT WE DO.

AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP IT.

>> Renee: AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP IT THAT SAY NEW SERIES ON NPR.

ANYWAY.

THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD DISCUSSION.

AND WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHAT IS AT STAKE WHAT ARE ARE THE STAKES AND THAT IS WHAT WE WILL BE DOING ON KENTUCKY EDITION TO HELP US TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO VOTE.

WE WILL BE OFF NEXT MONDAY PBS IS BRINGING YOU DAY ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION AND JOIN US 6:30 EASTERN FOR KENTUCKY EDITION I WILL BE IN OWENSBORO AND I WILL REPORT FROM THERE FOR KENTUCKY EDITION.

UNTIL I SEE YOU TOMORROW NIGHT, TAKE REALLY GOOD CARE.