
New Doc: Ravish Kumar and the Threat to Free Speech in India
Clip: 8/10/2023 | 18m 23sVideo has Closed Captions
Vinay Shukla and Ravish Kumar join the show.
Press freedom is in crisis in India. The world’s largest democracy is one of the worst countries for journalism according to the advocacy group Reporters Without Borders. Now, a new documentary is focusing on violence against journalists and politically partisan media. "While We Watched" follows veteran Indian news anchor Ravish Kumar as he speaks truth to power.
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New Doc: Ravish Kumar and the Threat to Free Speech in India
Clip: 8/10/2023 | 18m 23sVideo has Closed Captions
Press freedom is in crisis in India. The world’s largest democracy is one of the worst countries for journalism according to the advocacy group Reporters Without Borders. Now, a new documentary is focusing on violence against journalists and politically partisan media. "While We Watched" follows veteran Indian news anchor Ravish Kumar as he speaks truth to power.
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IT IS ONE OF THE WORST COUNTRIES FOR JOURNALISM.
NOW A NEW DOCUMENTARY IS FOCUSING ON VIOLENCE AGAINST JOURNALISM POLITICALLY PARTISAN MEDIA.
>> IT'S COLD WHILE WE WATCHED AND IT FOLLOWS VETERAN INDIAN NEWS ANCHOR AS HE SPEAKS TRUTH TO POWER AND HE JOINS THE DIRECTOR TO DISCUSS PRESS FREEDOMS IN INDIA.
>> THE DOCUMENTARY IS CALLED WHILE WE WATCHED AND IT TAKES A LOOK AT THE STRAINS AND STRUGGLES OF YOUR LIFE AS A JOURNALIST AT ONE OF THE LAST INDEPENDENT CHANNELS IN INDIA.
AND SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING OUT AGAINST WHAT WHY PERCEIVED TO BE INDIA'S INCREASING NATIONALISM.
SO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS THE CLIMATE AND IS THE CLIMATE IN INDIA TODAY TO BE FOCUSING AS AN I WANT JOURNALIST AND WHAT WERE THE STRAINS URN GOING THROUGH?
>> THE CLIMATE IS VERY VICIOUS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO JOURNALISM YOU WILL FINDER NO SINGLE PLATFORM WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO QUESTION AS JOURNALIST AND IT STARTED VERY QUICKLY AFTER 2014FUL WHEN NEWS ROOMS WERE -- NEWS ROOMS WERE DEMOLISHED IN ONE GO AND IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN COMMAND HAS APPEARED FROM THE HEAVEN AND EVERYBODY IS RUSH TO FOLLOW IT.
THE MESSAGE WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THE KIND OF JOURNALISM INDIA OR INDIAN NEWS CHANNELS WERE DOING BEFORE 2014 HAD TO BE STOPPED.
SO THIS MEDIA CAME BECAME -- WAS PRO-PEOPLE BEFORE 2014 AND AFTER 2014.
SO THIS ENVIRONMENT I THINK IT HAD A VERY UNIQUE POSITION, AND THE CHALLENGE WILL NEVER EARN PROFIT FROM SPREADING HATE AND THE OWNERS FACED A LOT OF LEGAL CASES AGAINST THEM BUT STILL THEY TRIED VERY HARD THAT WE DO TRY TO MAN TO SAVE THIS PLATFORM.
WHEN THIS CRISIS WILL PASS.
>> WHY DID YOU WANT TO DO THIS?
YOU'VE GROWN UP WATCHING -- WHEN HIS LONG CAREER.
WHAT MADE YOU THINK THAT THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS THE TIME THAT A IF I AM IT'S FILM LIKE IS WATCHING THE DEATH OF A NEWS ROOM WOULD BE INTERESTING TO WATCH?
>> I MEAN HONESTLY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS I COMPLETELY SWITCHED OFF FROM THE NEWS.
I WASN'T WATCHING ANYTHING, BECAUSE WATCHING THE NEWS WOULD MAKE ME VERY ANXIOUS AND I WOULD TALK ABOUT TO MY FRIENDS ACROSS THE WORLD AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SWITCHING OFF FROM THE NEWS, WHICH I FOUND DISTURBING.
PEOPLE COME TO THE NEWS TO HOPEFULLY LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR LIFE THAT WILL HELP THEM MAKE BETTER CHOICES, SO I HAD SWITCHED OFF FROM THE NEWS AND I REMEMBER COMING ACROSS A BROADCAST WHERE UNLINE MOST POPULAR NEWS ANCHORS WHO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TELLING THE AUDIENCE THAT THE AUDIENCE IS NUMBER ONE AND WE'RE HERE TO SERVE YOU AND HE WAS SCOLDING HIS AUDIENCE.
SO IT SEEMED LIKE, HERE WAS A NEWS PERSON WHO WAS KNOWLEDGE QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY AND VARIOUS GOVERNMENTS BUT ALSO HIS OWN AUDIENCE AND HE WAS BEING VERY VULNERABLE.
I USED TO WONDER IF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING THE NEWS WERE WORKING THIS THE NEWS BUSINESS, IF THEY FEEL THE SAME ANXIETY THAT I DO AS A VIEWER AND I WAS REALLY -- THIS FILM IS A DEEP DIVE INTO THE COST OF IS IT PROCESS OF NEWS THAT IS BEING PAID BY THE PEOPLE WHO WORK WITHIN THE NEWS BUSINESS.
>> WE WATCH ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS IN THE FILL TESTIMONY GOING AWAY PARTIES FOR YOUR STAFF.
AND I WONDER EACH TIME SOMEONE LEFT WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND?
BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAND YOU WANT THEM TO BE ABLE THE EARN A LIVE LIVELIHOOD AND ON THE OTHER HAND THAT'S ONE LESS IMPORTANT RESOURCE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT WHY THINK IS NECESSARY.
>> I BECAME VERY LONELY WITH EACH CAKE CUTTING CEREMONY.
IT WAS VERY DISHEARTENING FOR HE TO SEND THEM OFF AND CELEBRATE THEIR SENDING OFF WITH CAKE.
I KNEW THAT I'M LOSING MY BEST WARRIORS WHO CAN DELIVER ANYTHING.
AND IN THIS CRISIS SITUATION WITH LESSER RESOURCES.
IN YOUR CASE THEY WERE SUCH TALENTED PEOPLE IT MADE ME MORE LONELY AND YES, MANY TIMES IT GAVE ME -- I USED TO THINK THAT THE NUMBER IS COMING TO ME AND MY NUMBER WILL COME ONE DAY AND I WILL ALSO GO FROM THIS FLOOR AND IT HAPPENED.
BUT IT WAS VERY TOUGH TO DO WORK WITHOUT THEM.
NOBODY WOULD REPLACE THEM, YES BUT WE KEEP DOING WITH FEWER NUMBER OF COLLEAGUES.
THEY WERE VERY DEDICATED AFTER THAT ALSO BUT IT WAS ALWAYS TOUGH AND EMOTIONALLY DRAINING.
IT DRAINS YOU THAT YOU ARE LOSING YOUR BEST COLLEAGUES.
>> WHY DO YOU THINK YOUR BRONXS CAN YOU SPECIFICALLY WERE BRANDED ANTINATIONALIST?
BECAUSE THAT'S A PHRASE THAT THE RULING POLITICAL PARTY AS WELL AS OTHER JOURNALISTS IN THE SPECTRUM OF INDIAN MEDIA USED FAIRLY OFTEN AS A CRITIQUE.
>> I THINK MAIN REASON IS THAT FIRST DAY [INDISCERNIBLE] BRANDED NOT ONLY ME BUT ACTORS AS ANTI-INDIA.
THEY KNEW THIS MAN IS DOING THE RIGHT KIND OF THING, RAISING THE -- AND IT COULD BE POLITICAL PROPAGANDA, SO I BECAME THE TARGET FOR THEM, AND I USED TO THINK THAT THEY MUST BE THINKING THAT LET'S GET RID OF HIM, GET HIM OUT FROM THIS CHANNEL.
SO IT WAS VERY NOT EASY FOR THEM TO DIGEST MY KIND OF U.S. SUPPORT I HAD.
AT THAT TIME ALSO, MANY THINGS HAPPENED, WHICH IS VERY STILL UNKNOWN TO ME.
MANY STATES -- MY SHOW, MY CHALLENGE DISAPPEARED FROM MANY CABLE NETWORKS AND MANY STATINGS AND I STARTED GETTING CALLS THAT YOUR SOUND IS COMING BUT YOUR VISUAL VIDEO IS NOT COMING.
YOUR VIDEO IS COMING BUT YOUR SOUND IS NOT COMING.
THIS KIND OF DISTURBANCE I USED TO HAVE SO THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT MY NUMBERS, MY VIEWERS AND THE KIND OF PROGRAM I DO.
THEY WERE VERY CLEAR THAT WE DO NOT WANT THIS KIND OF JOURNALISM IN INDIA ANYMORE WHICH REFLECT PEOPLE'S PROBLEM ON TELEVISION SCREEN.
>> I WANT TO ASK, YOU DOCUMENT SOMETHING THAT JOURNALISTS TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS THE LEVEL OF VITRIOLE AND HATE AND DEATH THREATS THAT HE WAS CONSTANTLY RECEIVING.
WERE WHY AT ANY POINT WHILE MAKE THING FILM CONCERNED FOR YOUR SAFETY?
HIS SAFETY?
>> SO THE THING IS FOR EXAMPLE,, THERE WAS A VERY CLEAR THREAT PERCEPTION TO HIM.
HI USED TO MOVE AROUND WITH AN ARMED GUARD AND SO THAT'S AS REAL AS IT GETS.
AND THERE ARE MOMENTS WHEN YOU FIND YOURSELF CONFRONT WITH THE THE SHEER FORCE AT WHICH I THINK THE CHALLENGES IN LIFE IS COMING AT YOU AND THOSE MOMENTS YOU FEEL LIKE I SHOULD DOCUMENT THIS AND COME BACK TO THIS LATER AND FIGURE OUT HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS.
BUT SHOOTING THIS FILM FOR ME AS ALSO A -- IT PUT ME FACE-TO-FACE WITH THAT JOURNALISTS ACROSS THE WORLD ARE GOING THROUGH EVERY DAY AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL WATCH THIS FILM AND KNOW THAT WE HAVE IN A SYSTEMS ABANDONED ORB JOURNALISTS BECAUSE SOONER THAN LATER WHEN WE BELIEVE IN ONE JOURNALIST, ONE ORGANIZATION, ONE GOVERNMENT SOONER THAN LATER ONE ALWAYS MAKES A MISTAKE.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE WORLD BUT [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT CATERED TO MANY MORE PEOPLE THAN JUST ONE.
MY AMBITION AND OPEN FOR THIS FILM IS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND BUILD BETTER PRACTICES FOR JOURNALISTS IN THE WORD.
>> WHAT WAS THE TOLL ON YOUR FAMILY?
>> OUR FAMILY LIFE WAS AFFECTED VERY MUCH.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT WE ARE GETTING LESS SLEEP, WE ARE NOT WELL KEPT.
THAT IS WHY THESE PANIC ATTACKS ARE HAPPENING BUT LATER WE REALIZED THE MENTAL HEALTH IS COMPLETELY DEVASTATED.
WE STOPPED GOING OUT AS A FAMILY FOR DINNER FOR HOLIDAY BECAUSE I WAS STAYING IN A HOTEL.
AND FOUR, FIVE PEOPLE BARGED INTO MY ROOM AND WE WERE THIS THE ROOM AND THEY STARTED CALLING ME NAMES AND STARTED DEBATE WITH ME.
SO WE HAD TO LEAVE THAT HOTEL NEXT MORNING.
SO THESE THINGS STARTED THINKING -- THE THINKING PROCESS THAT IT'S TIME FOR US TO GO TOGETHER.
TIME IS OVER FOR US TO TRAVEL BY TRAIN AND THE CHILDREN ARE NOT VERY YOUNG, THEY WERE STILL GROWING BUT ONE WAS APPROACHING HER TEENS SO IT AFFECTED HER VERY BADLY.
I HAD NO FAMILY LIFE.
NOW I'M TRYING TO REBUILT THE CONCEPT OF FAMILY LIFE.
>> WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THIS FILM IS ABLE TO BE SCREENED IN A THEATER IN INDIA?
>> I DON'T HAVE ALREADY DISTRIBUTED IN INDIA YET.
I ARRAY REMAIN ON OPTIMIST.
I BELIEVE I'M GOING THROUGH A CONVERSATION THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE AND WHILE I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S HATCHING WITH THE FILM INTERNATIONALLY I MADE THIS FILM FOR MY FRIENDS, NOR MY FAMILY IN INDIA WHO HAVE VERY HEATED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE NEWS SO I CAN'T BRING YOU WITH THESE WORDs SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A FILM, SO JUST TO WIN THAT ARGUMENT I NEED TO GET THIS FILM OUT OF INDIA.
>> WHEN YOU SEE THAT THE PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA IS RECEIVED WITH OPEN ARMS BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION OR THAT THERE'S PARADES FOR HIM IN FRANCE AND YOU LOOK OUT IN INDIA AND YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO SEE THE WORLD THE PRIME MINISTER DOES, WHY DO YOU GO FORWARD OR HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU ARE CONTINUING TO DO AND THE IMPACT THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE?
>> YES, I CAN SEE BIDEN HUGGING THE PRESIDENT AND NETANYAHU HUGGING MACRON AND MACRON HUGGING NETANYAHU.
YES, THESE THINGS -- I DO NOT EXPECT BIDE SEVEN TO COME TO INDIA AND SOLVE THE CRISIS OF JOURNALISM.
YES I CAN CRITICIZE THOSE MEETINGS, THOSE DIPLOMATIC ENGAGEMENTSES DIFFERENT COUNTS.
BUT I DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING FROM BIDEN GOVERNMENT AND ADMINISTRATION.
THESE FIGHT -- YES THOUGH THE CRISIS OF JOURNALISM RESEMBLES MANY PARTS OF THE WORD BUT THE SOLUTION HAS BEEN TO BE VERY LOCAL, AND I HAVE TO -- I BELIEVE THAT IF I KEEP DOING THIS MANY PEOPLE WILL KEEP DOING THIS AND THANKFULLY THERE ARE MORE VOICES NOW AND TAKING THE RISK AND BEING VERY VOCAL ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT, VERY CRITICAL OF THE GOVERNMENT.
>> BUT WHAT IS YOUR MISSION GOING FORWARD?
NOW YOU CHOSE TO RESIGN AFTER A BILLIONAIRE TOOK OVER THE CHANNEL , THE BILLIONAIRE IS SAID TO HAVE CLOSE CONNECTIONS WITH THE PURCHASE.
WHAT IS YOUR MISSION NOW NOW?
>> IT WAS VERY CLEAR WHO THE OTHER THAN CANCER GOING TO BE, SO THE BILLIONAIRE HAS MULTIPLE NUMBERS OF MILLIONS OF MONEY.
HE CAN BUY EVEN ANY CHALLENGE BUT HE CANNOT GIVE YOU A A SPACE TO RAISE A QUESTION.
HE CANNOT ALLOW TWO QUESTIONS.
HE MAY HAVE A NUMBER OF CHANNELS IN HIS POCKET BUT WE CANNOT CREATE JOURNALISM.
IT WAS VERY OBVIOUS FOR ME THAT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE WHERE I SHOULD BE, SO I LEFT IT AND IT IS GETTING PROVED RIGHT EVERY DAY.
THIS IS THE STATE OF JOURNALISM IN INDIA WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.
IF WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT THIS CRISIS, WHAT THIS FILM IS DOING TO WHO WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM -- AND I'M SURE THE SCRIPT OF THIS MEDIA IS GOING TO DUPLICATE AND PLAY OUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.
JOURNALISTS HAVE BECOME CRIMINAL IN INDIA.
IF WE ARE TO SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS DANGEROUS PLACE CALLED MEDIA.
>> THE FILM IS CALLED WHILE WE WATCHED.
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